How many players is too much on Fall Rosters?

PABaseball posted:

I don't think redshirting is the end of the world, especially at a D1 where you would've already made the 35 man roster. If there are upperclassmen at his position or an older pitching staff it makes sense to save a year of eligibility. Was there a conversation as to why they intended to redshirt? Coaches might also have plans for him and rather him hit the weights, get bigger/stronger and have him come back throwing harder with more command. Did fall ball go well? Honestly in this situation I think redshirting means you can be valuable to us in the future but you won't be doing much now. At 2019s school they've had conversations with guys likely to redshirt and why. And it was that they would be useful, but didn't have enough pitches or needed to work on an out pitch, or velo. 

The reason I say this is because your son will likely want to transfer back to another D1 where he will possibly be another 1 of 18 transfers in. If playing right away is the goal then by all means, but just because it is juco doesn't mean it will be any easier, especially when they've already been evaluating alltheir guys since August. 

I agree with all of this. However, I would say that if you feel the coaching staff has not been honest with you and you do not trust them, then it might be best to move on. Either way, don’t let anyone outwork you. Compete. 

PitchingFan posted:

bacdorslider posted:

Patrick Corbin played JUCO ball......  Son's school has 34 this fall.... won CWS last year.

So Vandy only has 34 total this fall?  I heard they had 40 plus at scrimmage the other day.  Not questioning you, just what I heard was dressed out.  Source may be wrong.  I just can't believe they have less than the 35 in fall ball.  If so, that is good, I reckon.

 

I've been looking at the 2020 rosters for a few D1 teams and it seems they have fewer rostered players than I have seen in the past. What is going on behind the scenes? You would think they would roster up to the NCAA limit. Are there still "preferred walk ons" and other types battling for those positions?

NorCalBBDad posted:

PitchingFan posted:

bacdorslider posted:

Patrick Corbin played JUCO ball......  Son's school has 34 this fall.... won CWS last year.

So Vandy only has 34 total this fall?  I heard they had 40 plus at scrimmage the other day.  Not questioning you, just what I heard was dressed out.  Source may be wrong.  I just can't believe they have less than the 35 in fall ball.  If so, that is good, I reckon.

 

I've been looking at the 2020 rosters for a few D1 teams and it seems they have fewer rostered players than I have seen in the past. What is going on behind the scenes? You would think they would roster up to the NCAA limit. Are there still "preferred walk ons" and other types battling for those positions?

Not sure if you have been looking just recently but this time of year, many posted rosters tend to be incomplete.  

cabbagedad posted:

NorCalBBDad posted:

PitchingFan posted:

bacdorslider posted:

Patrick Corbin played JUCO ball......  Son's school has 34 this fall.... won CWS last year.

So Vandy only has 34 total this fall?  I heard they had 40 plus at scrimmage the other day.  Not questioning you, just what I heard was dressed out.  Source may be wrong.  I just can't believe they have less than the 35 in fall ball.  If so, that is good, I reckon.

 

I've been looking at the 2020 rosters for a few D1 teams and it seems they have fewer rostered players than I have seen in the past. What is going on behind the scenes? You would think they would roster up to the NCAA limit. Are there still "preferred walk ons" and other types battling for those positions?

Not sure if you have been looking just recently but this time of year, many posted rosters tend to be incomplete.  

Bingo! 

It's hard to make many judgments about fall rosters this time of year.  I think each program handles it differently.  Some of it is as simple as how diligent they are about keeping the rosters current on the public websites.  Son's team had 44 posted to the fall roster, it has recently been trimmed to 36.  

As a father of a player who redshirted his Freshman year and has survived the roster changes since then, I can definitely say it is not for a kid who is not totally committed to seeing it through.  The same work and time commitment is required with none of the reward.  But then there are also kids who do not RS and never see the field either.  And no coach is going to keep a RS around if he doesn't believe he has something to offer the next year--kids are cut if a coach sees no future for them.

At least at my son' school, the coach has a well-established record of RS kids as Freshman, but then keeping many of them around and even having some of them be key contributors in later years.  At least three starters and two key pitchers last year were former RS, and yet they were important parts of a team that made it to the D2 World Series.  His RS tend to be reasons #1-#3 from Showball $ above.   And kids who are resilient enough to survive the RS year learn a lot about what they are capable of.

Like everything with this recruiting process, players and parents can learn a lot by analyzing 3-5 years of archived rosters (assuming the same HC has been there).  See how many kids are listed as RS, see how many are RS Sophomores-Juniors or Seniors (showing a long-term investment), see how many RS kids do not return, how many transfers in there are, and so on.  It speaks volumes to what a recruit can expect.

Good luck Fish on the next leg of your son's journey--nobody ever said it always goes on a straight road.