I don't know what my talking about? My making assumptions? My ignorant? I didn't know I owned so many things.quote:Originally posted by themez:
You don't know what your talking about.
Your making assumptions. I have the facts.
Your ignorant
This is fun to watch---
I can tell you left they are. Be careful of Butt buddies, you shouldn't make accusations of sexual harrassment unless you have proof. What's wrong with SSMom owning Too Optomistic? Better eye sight, plus it's a profitable business.quote:Originally posted by themez:
I can tell you right they aren't. and yes they are starting because they are butt buddies with the coach. Your too optomistic.
quote:I can tell you right they aren't. and yes they are starting because they are butt buddies with the coach. Your too optomistic.
Optimistic? Tooo optimistic?
Hmmm,......I'll have to think about that one a bit.
I do believe in the slogan " Never say never."
So you are correct, there.
And I do believe in " Where there's a will, there's a way.
You might be right.....
I believe in being productive...and hard work,
but I don't believe in making excuses.
Too optimistic?
Perhaps.
Ho-ho-hi-ho it's off to work I go.
Do I like my job?
Not particularly, but darn glad to have it!
In the words of Arnold,...." I'llllll be baaaaack ".
have a nice work day SSMOM
Well to continue the story of the JV issue. The dad went on to say that if anybody would go out to the college web-sites and look at the bio's of the players that we would all see that every single one of them are 4-year letter winners on varsity and were all conference, etc. Basically, because his kid is not that good, he wanted to make sure everyone else knew that their kid would have NO CHANCE at college ball and we were all in the same boat and we can all think what we want but the bottom line is that he has seen all these kids play in little league and none of them are college bound.
He managed to insult about 13 or more parents all at once. One parent responded back harshly and the parent excused himself because he knew he drew the ire of everyone and the tension was building.
He managed to insult about 13 or more parents all at once. One parent responded back harshly and the parent excused himself because he knew he drew the ire of everyone and the tension was building.
quote:Originally posted by bb1:
I guess I'll tell my son to give up. He won't play in college because he's a soph on JV throwing low eighties but he might as well quit now. What kind of baloney is that?
I'm right behind you, bb1. I guess my son, who played JV as a sophomore, should rip up that National Letter of Intent he has signed to pitch for a Pac-10 school. I really had no idea he wasn't supposed to have a chance. My bad.
Bum,
Just like your son my son is also left handed. That will help for sure.
Just like your son my son is also left handed. That will help for sure.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
This is fun to watch---
It's been awhile, hasn't it TR, since we've had a good brawl on HSBBW. Looks like things are spiced up again! It should go a few more rounds before the troll accusations are levied.
..who left the back door open, guys?
bb1.. a lefty? Outstanding! The #1 pitcher on our high school team (Bum, Jr.) and the #2 pitcher on our high school team (a RHP) both played JV as sophomores, and both are going to play D1 baseball.
When are people going to get it through their heads? College coaches want kids with present ability. Your stats, your all-league status, your daddy's connections, and whether your kid played JV even as a Junior all means squat. He wants to know if your kid can help him win, now!
When are people going to get it through their heads? College coaches want kids with present ability. Your stats, your all-league status, your daddy's connections, and whether your kid played JV even as a Junior all means squat. He wants to know if your kid can help him win, now!
First regular game today. 2 innings, 1 walk (catcher threw him out), 5k's, no runs but when he finally gets home I'll tell him not to pitch anymore because he's on the JV. Oh I forgot they tied.
one arrogant dad couple years back got his kid moved up to varsity as a freshman using politics. was real critical of kids who were same age and playing on freshman team, very demeaning to them and their parents. Always walked by and snubbed his nose---a real piece of work. Well he went around tellin' everyone that his kid was going D1 with Georgia..... then suddenly his kid ended up at a local commuter college. Turns out his kid never got even a single D1 look, much less even a drop of spit from a DIII, NAIA, or JC.
I know it has been said, but it is definitely not true that a JV sophomore will not play college ball. Not only does that exclude kids that grow in high school and improve their skills, but it also relates to what this whole discussion is about. JV sophomores everywhere that are probably good enough to contribute to varsity aren't on varsity because of politics!
Switchitter, that is an excellent example. There will always be politics in high school baseball, but bringing in whole youth-level teams with the expectation that they will continue that success at the high school is just plain dumb. Kids have different growth spurts and motivations. I have NO PROBLEM with freshman or sophomores who can out-play Juniors or Seniors--if they can they deserve varsity. But whole teams? This seems to be a recent, bad trend of high school baseball lately. Is it happening in other parts of the country? If it is, a kid is basically SOL if he's not on the "right" travel team before entering HS! Wow!
Themez - you are an idiot. With idiotic statements. In fact I am glad you are posting on here. The more you put the happier I am that you are here. Reason being is that a couple of weeks ago there was a topic goung around about high school coaches and how some parents think they are dumb, political, etc.... and I said the reason coaches have nightmares and get out of the game is because of idiot parents.
Everytime you post something you are just proving that point.
In three threads I have read your posts you make the most generalized statements saying coaches are political and other things. Your mad that your son got yelled at because he couldn't do what the coach wanted. You said you would confront this guy if he ever yelled at your son again.
Who the hell do you think you are? Who are you to think that you and your son are more important than anyone else on that team. If the coach yells at ONLY your son then you have a reason to complain because he is probably being picked on. If the coach yells at all of them for NOT DOING WHAT THEY ARE TOLD - then get over yourself.
I'm a yeller. If I go over something in practice and have my guys work on it and they don't do it - you better believe I am going to get my point across the next time. You don't like it take your kid and get off the field. Go find him a trophy for doing something else and let his fragile psyche and ego go somewhere else.
If a coach yelling at your son is the worst thing to ever happen to him then you have sheltered him way too much and crippled him emotionally in handling situations that will come up later in life.
Everytime you post something you are just proving that point.
In three threads I have read your posts you make the most generalized statements saying coaches are political and other things. Your mad that your son got yelled at because he couldn't do what the coach wanted. You said you would confront this guy if he ever yelled at your son again.
Who the hell do you think you are? Who are you to think that you and your son are more important than anyone else on that team. If the coach yells at ONLY your son then you have a reason to complain because he is probably being picked on. If the coach yells at all of them for NOT DOING WHAT THEY ARE TOLD - then get over yourself.
I'm a yeller. If I go over something in practice and have my guys work on it and they don't do it - you better believe I am going to get my point across the next time. You don't like it take your kid and get off the field. Go find him a trophy for doing something else and let his fragile psyche and ego go somewhere else.
If a coach yelling at your son is the worst thing to ever happen to him then you have sheltered him way too much and crippled him emotionally in handling situations that will come up later in life.
quote:Originally posted by themez:
I didn't kick up any dust. Sometimes people hate to hear the truth. I can tell you right now 5 players on our JV team played travel ball and they all start. Their TB coach is our JV coach.
themez ...
First off, you did kick up dust on another thread. That's the truth, if you can handle it.
Secondly, I guess the CIF in San Diego has different rules than the Southern Section which governs the OC, the IE, etc. The Southern Section does not allow any high school coach to be affiliated in any way with the players during the off season. There have been lots of complaints about that as some sports (e.g., water polo, volley ball etc) where there are fewer coaches around for the 'elite' teams and doubling up would make it a lot easier for the coaches and the players. However, the desire of the CIF SS (as I understand it from several years of involvement as a parent) is that all the players in all the sports should be on a level playing field and that having a school coach working with his players 'year round' does not support that desire. Heck, our son's coach couldn't even step on the field during 'fall ball'. He had to watch from the sidelines, literally. Generally, dads who had played baseball themselves or who had coached baseball were the 'fall ball' coaches. Personally, I think it is a great concept because it can limit the kind of problems you have mentioned in your post.
Switchhitter, please tell this dad that has apparently read the book "How to win friends and influence People" to contact me immediately. I have a job for him. I have a position open for Head Lemon Squeezer. The only qualification I am looking for is someone who sounds as if they've been suucking a whole bunch of lemons lately. He fits this category quite well!
As soon as I get through with this post I too must go find my son's NLI to play NAIA ball next year and tear it up. Shame on him for making and playing JV ball as a 10th grader.
Misery loves company doesn't it?
As soon as I get through with this post I too must go find my son's NLI to play NAIA ball next year and tear it up. Shame on him for making and playing JV ball as a 10th grader.
Misery loves company doesn't it?
quote:Originally posted by coach2709:
Themez - you are an idiot. With idiotic statements. In fact I am glad you are posting on here. The more you put the happier I am that you are here. Reason being is that a couple of weeks ago there was a topic goung around about high school coaches and how some parents think they are dumb, political, etc.... and I said the reason coaches have nightmares and get out of the game is because of idiot parents.
Everytime you post something you are just proving that point.
In three threads I have read your posts you make the most generalized statements saying coaches are political and other things. Your mad that your son got yelled at because he couldn't do what the coach wanted. You said you would confront this guy if he ever yelled at your son again.
Who the hell do you think you are? Who are you to think that you and your son are more important than anyone else on that team. If the coach yells at ONLY your son then you have a reason to complain because he is probably being picked on. If the coach yells at all of them for NOT DOING WHAT THEY ARE TOLD - then get over yourself.
I'm a yeller. If I go over something in practice and have my guys work on it and they don't do it - you better believe I am going to get my point across the next time. You don't like it take your kid and get off the field. Go find him a trophy for doing something else and let his fragile psyche and ego go somewhere else.
If a coach yelling at your son is the worst thing to ever happen to him then you have sheltered him way too much and crippled him emotionally in handling situations that will come up later in life.
Yes he was being picked on. I stood up for my son. Trust me he's no whimp. There are good coaches and bad coaches. From 1 to 10 I would say he is a 5.
You can yell at my son all you want to in practice and in the dugout it does not bother me or him.
He was benched yesterday. Good teach him a lesson no big deal.
The top baseball high schools in this county, when you watch them play the coach barely says a word during the game.He just points etc... They know what to do. They have ironed everything out in practice. Got prepared very well. If your constantly yelling during a game you are not preparing your team properly. These programs teach respect to the coaches and players. They do not have to resort to yelling and ranting and raving. There is a big difference in coaching from the top ten teams to the lower teams. Sure the talent may not be has good has these top tier teams. And I am sure there are some fine coaches in the lower tier teams. Iron out your problems in practice not during a game. Yell all you want. There is a time and place for everything.
It's a big deal that the coach yelled at your son, but its
Perhaps the focus/attention/lessons learned should be on the reason behind the benching.
( Just a suggestion. )
Themenz,....you're going to have to learn to cope with this coach yelling. Whether you agree with it or not.
Ya dont have to like it, but you're going to have to live with it.
The sooner you find a way, the better everyone, including your son, will be.
that he got benched yesterday ???quote:no big deal.
Perhaps the focus/attention/lessons learned should be on the reason behind the benching.
( Just a suggestion. )
Themenz,....you're going to have to learn to cope with this coach yelling. Whether you agree with it or not.
Ya dont have to like it, but you're going to have to live with it.
The sooner you find a way, the better everyone, including your son, will be.
I'm starting to think that the kid was trying to "show-up" the coach by continuing not to throw the ball back to the pitcher quickly after being asked repeatedly to do so. Hmmm, perhaps there have been "attitude" issues with the boy as well? The more the dad posts the more I wonder.
quote:Originally posted by RJM:
My son is a freshman in a large classification high school. He had a very good tryout. He went 3-4 and pitched a shutout innning with 2 K's. He doubled of a starting varsity pitcher. He struck out two returning starters. My son outperformed several of the returning players from a weak team. He was cut from the varsity to JV at the end of tryouts.
I believe the coach made a very sound decision. There may be three or four freshmen and sophomores who are better than some of the seniors. But being better than weak players doesn't mean a freshman or a soph is ready to compete against the best players on other teams.
Either way the coach goes with his roster, the varsity is very likely to have a losing season. If some of the seniors fall on their faces, younger players will get called up without parents of seniors whining their kids got stiffed in their big year from the start of the season. My son was told he could be called up by midseason to play second, third or pitch. He was told he's the likely starter at short next year. I'd say my son placed himself high on the coach's radar screen. It's good enough for a freshman.
If a freshman makes the team in the beginning of the season and fails all season, where is he mentally? If he starts well on JV, gets called up to varsity and finds it difficult, the coach can tell him what he experienced is what he needs to be prepared for next year.
I agree with this post 100% and have seen what it does to a very good Freshman player when he doesn't succeed, but is put on Varsity before he has proved himself against older players.
quote:Originally posted by RJM:A college prospect doesn't have to be good for three or four years. He has to be good one year in front of the right people.quote:if you're kid is a sophomore and on JV, your kid has no chance to make it to college I hate to tell you
Amen, my Brotha'!!!
Themez,...you came here on the HSBBW and asked for advice. There are many who are taking their time to give you their best opinions possible.
You dont really seem to be " getting it " and that is of course your perogative.
I do hope that you save some of these posts and should another situation arise, that you re-read them with an open, rather than a defensive, mind.
I also wish the best for your son.
And remember,...us parents, even as old and wise as we sometimes think we are, still have alot of life lessons to learn of our own.
Again,....I hope things get better and that you get to enjoy the baseball season!
You dont really seem to be " getting it " and that is of course your perogative.
I do hope that you save some of these posts and should another situation arise, that you re-read them with an open, rather than a defensive, mind.
I also wish the best for your son.
And remember,...us parents, even as old and wise as we sometimes think we are, still have alot of life lessons to learn of our own.
Again,....I hope things get better and that you get to enjoy the baseball season!
WOW, I didn't mean to stir up such a tempest, guess I started this thread just to vent a little. I had a talk with my former player whom I was referring to and told him it's his job for the next 10 months to work his butt off so that this coach has no choice but to take him next year. I've offered to have him come over and work out with me and my son whenever he can (ulterior motive - this will also encourage my son to work even harder).
I'm wondering if it would be worth the effort to contact the JV coach, explain that I used to coach this kid, and ask his opinion of what he needs to work on.
I'm wondering if it would be worth the effort to contact the JV coach, explain that I used to coach this kid, and ask his opinion of what he needs to work on.
quote:Originally posted by StyleMismatch:
WOW, I didn't mean to stir up such a tempest, guess I started this thread just to vent a little. I had a talk with my former player whom I was referring to and told him it's his job for the next 10 months to work his butt off so that this coach has no choice but to take him next year. I've offered to have him come over and work out with me and my son whenever he can (ulterior motive - this will also encourage my son to work even harder).
I'm wondering if it would be worth the effort to contact the JV coach, explain that I used to coach this kid, and ask his opinion of what he needs to work on.
Possibly, but be ready to bite your tongue.
themez,
This probably belongs in teh other thread but in response to your son hnow having to sit.
I agree there are many coaches who rant and rave on the field and IMO, I agree that is not a way for a coach to conduct themselves.
I also agree that you may have found the situation your son was in a bit embarrassing for him because the coach raised his voice and directed comments in front of everyone. I hope that makes you feel better that someone may agree.
But the consensus was and still is that was between your son and his coach and if there was something you felt that you had to say, it should have been said in private. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I am sure that we can all look back and think of a situation where we felt our son was embarrassed in front of his peers and those in the stands.
I remember a few years back, at fall scrimmage, my son reached out to catch a fast hit foul ball with his right hand with no glove that went into the dugout. His college coach, from the other side of the field was very verbal about what he did. If I remember, the word stupid was used in the discussion.
Where we embarrassed, no, I think he was lucky that the coach responded first before his father did, he wouldn't have been so kind.
That's where the difference comes in this situation. If my son was doing what you state your son was doing, his dad would have been all over HIM after the game and 100% behind the coaches angry comments, whether it was called for or not.
As you go through this game, you as a player better get tough and you as a parent better get tough alsowith everythign including politics. Check ego at the door so to speak. If your son goes to college, or beyond, you and him better be prepared.
This probably belongs in teh other thread but in response to your son hnow having to sit.
I agree there are many coaches who rant and rave on the field and IMO, I agree that is not a way for a coach to conduct themselves.
I also agree that you may have found the situation your son was in a bit embarrassing for him because the coach raised his voice and directed comments in front of everyone. I hope that makes you feel better that someone may agree.
But the consensus was and still is that was between your son and his coach and if there was something you felt that you had to say, it should have been said in private. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I am sure that we can all look back and think of a situation where we felt our son was embarrassed in front of his peers and those in the stands.
I remember a few years back, at fall scrimmage, my son reached out to catch a fast hit foul ball with his right hand with no glove that went into the dugout. His college coach, from the other side of the field was very verbal about what he did. If I remember, the word stupid was used in the discussion.
Where we embarrassed, no, I think he was lucky that the coach responded first before his father did, he wouldn't have been so kind.
That's where the difference comes in this situation. If my son was doing what you state your son was doing, his dad would have been all over HIM after the game and 100% behind the coaches angry comments, whether it was called for or not.
As you go through this game, you as a player better get tough and you as a parent better get tough alsowith everythign including politics. Check ego at the door so to speak. If your son goes to college, or beyond, you and him better be prepared.
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
themez,
This probably belongs in teh other thread but in response to your son hnow having to sit.
I agree there are many coaches who rant and rave on the field and IMO, I agree that is not a way for a coach to conduct themselves.
I also agree that you may have found the situation your son was in a bit embarrassing for him because the coach raised his voice and directed comments in front of everyone. I hope that makes you feel better that someone may agree.
But the consensus was and still is that was between your son and his coach and if there was something you felt that you had to say, it should have been said in private. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I am sure that we can all look back and think of a situation where we felt our son was embarrassed in front of his peers and those in the stands.
I remember a few years back, at fall scrimmage, my son reached out to catch a fast hit foul ball with his right hand with no glove that went into the dugout. His college coach, from the other side of the field was very verbal about what he did. If I remember, the word stupid was used in the discussion.
Where we embarrassed, no, I think he was lucky that the coach responded first before his father did, he wouldn't have been so kind.
That's where the difference comes in this situation. If my son was doing what you state your son was doing, his dad would have been all over HIM after the game and 100% behind the coaches angry comments, whether it was called for or not.
As you go through this game, you as a player better get tough and you as a parent better get tough alsowith everythign including politics. Check ego at the door so to speak. If your son goes to college, or beyond, you and him better be prepared.
TPM well put. Okay I over reacted. I told him last night to be a team leader. Sure he is blaming me for his benching. He is probably right. And I have a feeling some of you agree. So we go forward.
I did not go to the game yesterday but he said it was ugly. You don't want to know the score. With only 1 or 2 starting pitchers and 3 relivers. They are thin. He is going to step up and help pitch and do what it takes to help the team. He said he wants to set an example for the younger guys. That made me feel good. There are still 20 games left its a long season.
quote:Originally posted by themez:
TPM well put. Okay I over reacted. I told him last night to be a team leader. Sure he is blaming me for his benching. He is probably right. And I have a feeling some of you agree. So we go forward.
I did not go to the game yesterday but he said it was ugly. You don't want to know the score. With only 1 or 2 starting pitchers and 3 relivers. They are thin. He is going to step up and help pitch and do what it takes to help the team. He said he wants to set an example for the younger guys. That made me feel good. There are still 20 games left its a long season.
Your son was likely benched because teh coach needs him to be a team leader and he wasn't showing that as an example. Players very often get their butts chewed off for that. My son got benched a weekend start last year because he wasn't acting like he should in the previous game as an older player. He and some of the other pitchers had some very embarrasing things said to them in front of their teammates that bruised their ego. They of course felt they didn't deserve it. The coach sttod by his word and called us to tell us he was not going to be in the game that weekend and knew we were traveling 800 miles to watch him pitch. He needed a lesson in stepping up as a leader and a prospect (and so did some others) and once that happened, things turned around for them and the team. Did we agree with all that went down, no, but we never said a word to son or coach as to our feelings that was between them. The next good start cured all.
So don't feel your son has ever been the only recipient of a coaches dissatisfaction of performance.
You are making progress in understanding what makes a player a BALLplayer no matter what level, that is what counts.
TPM ..
Now that is quite the euphemism if I ever read one ...
quote:If I remember, the word stupid was used in the discussion.
Now that is quite the euphemism if I ever read one ...
We all have people in our lives who we would not want our kids to face 1x1 and I don't care how old, gender, or how thick skinned you think the kid is. Sometimes situations pass that point of our kids pastime, and ventures into "family" where all the thoughts of right and wrong go by the wayside and our priority is to defend the "clan". That is an individual line that moves situation to situation. From the outside looking in we are not privy to the entire dynamics of every situation and many time we have to sit back and reflect on our own lines of demarkation.
I'm not pointing to this as a case study because almost all are on the same page, rather a heads-up in judging future situations.
My motto to my kids since they were old enough to understand it was "Don't bring me problems, bring me solutions". While that line of thinking lends itself to player vs coach resolution, I did cross that line once. I remember a sokker coach my daughters had right before HS. A good x-n-o's coach (I guess), but disrespectful to the kids/parents and there was only one way to do things, and no one else was right. Anyway, he was on my daughters hard because they were not picking up what he was trying to teach. I was embarrassed for them and you could see by there body language they were done. After practice I caught up to him in the privacy of the parking lot and in a friendly tone, explained this was a new game to them and that they would come around if given a chance. He responded by saying they didn't have the smarts to pick anything up even if they stepped on it. I retired from boxing that day 1-0 with a 1 punch ko.
I could have explained this situation as my daughters were not doing what they were told and being ridiculed for it, I stepped in to rescue them, dropped the coach, and I would have been looked at as an over reacting parent by many on this site. In reality, this was re-occurring and many saw this as a coach vs parent situation where a parents point had to be put on the table as it had gone beyond player/coach and I happened to be the guy whos trigger was tripped. Or, maybe I was unknowingly delegated as the sacrificial lamb
btw- my girls got cut from the team, not because of the incident, but because they the sucked. Did the coach learn anything? Besides the fact that I was left handed, I guess he did loosen up.
This borders on a "thread hijack" but my only thought here is as posters on this board, we should be careful before passing judgement, because we are not always walking in those shoes.
I'm not pointing to this as a case study because almost all are on the same page, rather a heads-up in judging future situations.
My motto to my kids since they were old enough to understand it was "Don't bring me problems, bring me solutions". While that line of thinking lends itself to player vs coach resolution, I did cross that line once. I remember a sokker coach my daughters had right before HS. A good x-n-o's coach (I guess), but disrespectful to the kids/parents and there was only one way to do things, and no one else was right. Anyway, he was on my daughters hard because they were not picking up what he was trying to teach. I was embarrassed for them and you could see by there body language they were done. After practice I caught up to him in the privacy of the parking lot and in a friendly tone, explained this was a new game to them and that they would come around if given a chance. He responded by saying they didn't have the smarts to pick anything up even if they stepped on it. I retired from boxing that day 1-0 with a 1 punch ko.
I could have explained this situation as my daughters were not doing what they were told and being ridiculed for it, I stepped in to rescue them, dropped the coach, and I would have been looked at as an over reacting parent by many on this site. In reality, this was re-occurring and many saw this as a coach vs parent situation where a parents point had to be put on the table as it had gone beyond player/coach and I happened to be the guy whos trigger was tripped. Or, maybe I was unknowingly delegated as the sacrificial lamb
btw- my girls got cut from the team, not because of the incident, but because they the sucked. Did the coach learn anything? Besides the fact that I was left handed, I guess he did loosen up.
This borders on a "thread hijack" but my only thought here is as posters on this board, we should be careful before passing judgement, because we are not always walking in those shoes.
I don't see any humor in this post whatsoever. If you physically assaulted the coach, you should be spending time in jail. It's a disgrace that you commited a serious crime, and have the nerve to post it on this site. I can't believe the coach didn't press charges, even if he is a jerk in your eyes. I just hope that puffing out your chest and bragging about assaulting a coach doesn't give some other whacko parent justification for this kind of demented action. Shame on you.quote:Originally posted by rz1:
After practice I caught up to him in the privacy of the parking lot and in a friendly tone, explained this was a new game to them and that they would come around if given a chance. He responded by saying they didn't have the smarts to pick anything up even if they stepped on it. I retired from boxing that day 1-0 with a 1 punch ko.
I could have explained this situation as my daughters were not doing what they were told and being ridiculed for it, I stepped in to rescue them, dropped the coach, and I would have been looked at as an over reacting parent by many on this site. In reality, many saw this as a coach vs parent situation where a parents point had to be put on the table as it had gone beyond player/coach and I happened to be the guy whos trigger was tripped. Or, maybe I was unknowingly delegated as the sacrificial lamb
Did the coach learn anything? Besides the fact that I was left handed, I guess he did loosen up.
This is my point, you were not there. I have never struck any one before or after but he crossed a line and in my face insulted my daughters with a smirk on his face. It was intended to be a good conversation 1x1 you wern't there. No humor intended, just honesty, sorry if you can't handle it that.
I see from your profile that you alswo coach, I suppose you support his ideals of humiliation, intiidation, and lack of respect for player and parent. I was wrong morally for hitting him, would I do it again...........probably.
I see from your profile that you alswo coach, I suppose you support his ideals of humiliation, intiidation, and lack of respect for player and parent. I was wrong morally for hitting him, would I do it again...........probably.
TPM that is a very informed post about what coaches expect from players. My advice would be for a player to never show up a coach and a parent to never confront a coach.
Two examples:
1.Player on sons high school s****r team. Player tired and exhausted lost temper when coach was yelling at him in front of other players. Player went of on coach and tried to show him up. Player was one of the teams top defensive players, and a four year starter. Long story short kid watched his senior year from the stands.
2.My son missed most of freshman year with back injury. Got to play in last few games and hoped to pitch in one. Was berated by jv coach about a bad throw and in front of every player comments were made that he could never be a pitcher and a lot worse. This coach to me was not a coach and just a teacher on a power trip and was clueless about the game. Watching this I got so ****ed I felt like giving this guy a dirt nap. I did what my son did, kept my mouth shut and said nothing. Next year son was #1 starter on varsity and there was a new jv coach. There's a old saying that you have to take the bitter with the sweet. Whats important is how you take it.
JMO
Banditsbb
Two examples:
1.Player on sons high school s****r team. Player tired and exhausted lost temper when coach was yelling at him in front of other players. Player went of on coach and tried to show him up. Player was one of the teams top defensive players, and a four year starter. Long story short kid watched his senior year from the stands.
2.My son missed most of freshman year with back injury. Got to play in last few games and hoped to pitch in one. Was berated by jv coach about a bad throw and in front of every player comments were made that he could never be a pitcher and a lot worse. This coach to me was not a coach and just a teacher on a power trip and was clueless about the game. Watching this I got so ****ed I felt like giving this guy a dirt nap. I did what my son did, kept my mouth shut and said nothing. Next year son was #1 starter on varsity and there was a new jv coach. There's a old saying that you have to take the bitter with the sweet. Whats important is how you take it.
JMO
Banditsbb
I agree with not passing judgment because we don't know the entire situation (only what was posted from an upset parent) and not in the players or coaches shoes. After thinking about that, that's why I lightened up a little.
But here is the difference, IMO. You admitted your daughters got cut because they s****d (your word), many parents would say that they got cut because the coach did.
Were there many times that we felt some coach wasn't fair, you bet. However, experience sometimes is the voice of reason, most of the time you can look back and say, what did I get so bent out of shape for? That's why the HSBBW is so valuable, what appears to be an injustice or politics at the time is really just a bit of some BS you learn always exists as you progress, for players and parents.
But here is the difference, IMO. You admitted your daughters got cut because they s****d (your word), many parents would say that they got cut because the coach did.
Were there many times that we felt some coach wasn't fair, you bet. However, experience sometimes is the voice of reason, most of the time you can look back and say, what did I get so bent out of shape for? That's why the HSBBW is so valuable, what appears to be an injustice or politics at the time is really just a bit of some BS you learn always exists as you progress, for players and parents.
It doesn't matter if I was there or not. Regardless of whether or not the coach insulted your daughters, you had no justification to physically assault him. You commited a crime, and you should be spending time in prison. If he would have continued insulting your daughters, where would this end? Would you have justification to really injure the coach, maybe run him over, shoot him in the legs, or worse? I'm glad I don't coach your kids.quote:Originally posted by rz1:
This is my point, you were not there. I have never struck any one before or after but he crossed a line and in my face insulted my daughters with a smirk on his face. It was intended to be a good conversation 1x1 you wern't there. No humor intended.
quote:Originally posted by FutureBack.Mom:
TPM ..quote:If I remember, the word stupid was used in the discussion.
Now that is quite the euphemism if I ever read one ...
FBM,
Compared to husbands remarks to son after the game, the coach was quite kind.
rz1,....knock knock?
Ya home?????
SSmom here.
Pleeeeeeeeeeease tell me that I need to re-read your post and that I have missed something and interpretted your post incorrectly.
Or perhaps tell me you that have a crummy cold and the meds are making your head feel fuzzy.
Pleeeeeeeeeease tell me you are not condoning or promoting physical violence against coaches,....even if you feel they deserved it.
Ut-oh, I think my head is starting to feel fuzzy now, too.
Ahhhhh-choooo.
Ya home?????
SSmom here.
Pleeeeeeeeeeease tell me that I need to re-read your post and that I have missed something and interpretted your post incorrectly.
Or perhaps tell me you that have a crummy cold and the meds are making your head feel fuzzy.
Pleeeeeeeeeease tell me you are not condoning or promoting physical violence against coaches,....even if you feel they deserved it.
Ut-oh, I think my head is starting to feel fuzzy now, too.
Ahhhhh-choooo.
What are we passing judgement on here? Whether or not this dad was justified in physically assaulting his coach? Based on a verbal insult, where is the justification? This dad commits a crime, and you want to know more about the situation, in the context of the parent confronting the coach in the parking lot, and dropping him with a left hook? Unbelievable.quote:Originally posted by TPM:
I agree with not passing judgment because we don't know the entire situation (only what was posted from an upset parent) and not in the players or coaches shoes. After thinking about that, that's why I lightened up a little.
quote:Were there many times that we felt some coach wasn't fair, you bet. However, experience sometimes is the voice of reason, most of the time you can look back and say, what did I get so bent out of shape for?
people did miss something. I don't condone violence never have, never will. But you cannot pass judgement unless you are there to see how thing happen. He gets in my face tells me my kids are so stupid they couldn't pick up something even if they stepped on it. I will get in a knee jerk reaction, there's some things you don't walk away from.
I'll delete the post because nobody read the intent, the blinders are in the way.
The point of my post is that sometimes passing judgement is done with blinders. I know of very few parents who would not have gone the same direction and he even said that he out of line after the fact. He came nose-to-nose with me and then spit out his insult.
I'll delete the post because nobody read the intent, the blinders are in the way.
The point of my post is that sometimes passing judgement is done with blinders. I know of very few parents who would not have gone the same direction and he even said that he out of line after the fact. He came nose-to-nose with me and then spit out his insult.