JV Politics - Please tell me it's not always this bad

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What are we passing judgement on here? Whether or not this dad was justified in physically assaulting his coach? Based on a verbal insult, where is the justification? This dad commits a crime, and you want to know more about the situation, in the context of the parent confronting the coach in the parking lot, and dropping him with a left hook? Unbelievable.

Guilty until proven innocent in your mind I guess.

This is where you are not reading the situation. He was in my face, literally, because I crossed him and no one ever questioned him. For the record there was no 10 count, there was no blood, but there was a point made and every parent there stood behind that action. The next practice there was a handshake for me and an apology to the team.

I can not pass judgement on rz because I was not there. Heck the other night I wanted to punch a guy in the face. I got up at 6am worked all day. Practice until 7:00. Went to eat with my wife. A parent walks up in the middle of my meal and begins to tell me that his son is being done wrong and we play daddyball. #1 his kid was kept on the team because he is a great kid and he works hard. #2 he is not even the 2nd or 3rd option on the field at this posistion. I tell the guy I am trying to eat and he needs to schedule a meeting for a later date. He obviously had a few drinks and he begins to get loud. I then tell him to leave me alone and to just go away. He then is led out of the establishment by the staff.

I get home at 9pm and spend 2 hours on the phone talking to college coaches. I get to bed around 12 midnight. Trust me if I had been in a dark parking lot I probaly would have knocked his a** out. Sometimes there is alot more to the situation than people know. Sometimes people need their a** knocked out.

Rz,..Rz,..Rz,.....
Most judges and courts of law don't accept a verbal insult as justifiable provocation for assault.

I am not passing judgement,.....just stating a fact.
Your situation diffused itself. Thats a fortunate thing.
Others may not get that lucky.


I'm afraid we are hijacking this thread.
Perhaps we should move on and stick to the subject matter.

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Originally posted by KnightTime:

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Originally posted by TPM:
I agree with not passing judgment because we don't know the entire situation (only what was posted from an upset parent) and not in the players or coaches shoes. After thinking about that, that's why I lightened up a little.

What are we passing judgement on here? Whether or not this dad was justified in physically assaulting his coach? Based on a verbal insult, where is the justification? This dad commits a crime, and you want to know more about the situation, in the context of the parent confronting the coach in the parking lot, and dropping him with a left hook? Unbelievable.

I wasn't speaking of rz, I was speaking of the other incident where the parent chewed out on the coach from embarrasing his son and in a post, it's hard to really know the entire situation without being there. I think in rz's situation he was just saying that we don't always know what occurs and I agreed, which is something rz and I rarely do.

I remember the day my son pitched more than he should, I had to ask husband to leave early so he wouldn't meet the coach in the parking lot later on. As far as he is concerned you don't mess withhis son's arm. You can chew him out all you want though. It's just a matter of what truely deserves a confrontation in front of others (or in teh parking lot) with the coach and what doesn't.



Got that?

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Originally posted by KnightTime:

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Originally posted by rz1:
This is my point, you were not there. I have never struck any one before or after but he crossed a line and in my face insulted my daughters with a smirk on his face. It was intended to be a good conversation 1x1 you wern't there. No humor intended.

It doesn't matter if I was there or not. Regardless of whether or not the coach insulted your daughters, you had no justification to physically assault him. You commited a crime, and you should be spending time in prison. If he would have continued insulting your daughters, where would this end? Would you have justification to really injure the coach, maybe run him over, shoot him in the legs, or worse? I'm glad I don't coach your kids.

I think a few more folks need to have their block knocked off once in a while and they would be a little more respectful to each other. People like Rush Limbaugh, Anne Colter and Laura Ingraham. It's bad enough to ridicule people's kids in public, but to pretty much call his kids stupid to his face, I think he got off pretty light.

There is nothing wrong IMO, with yelling at a player to get the most out of them or to get a point across, but berating anyone is going across the line. I think a lot of good Coaches push the better players to get the most out of them, but once they see the person is not responding it's time to let it or them go.

I probably would have gone to an Administrator earlier in the season in the above scenario to try to get the Coach under control, but the given situation called for a shot to the chin. It's what John Wayne would have done, I guess I'm just a little old school.

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I wanted to

Coach May,..you wanted to, but you didn't.

There are always going to be HEATED moments,... because baseball is a game of competiton, but how we as parents, coaches, & players deal with these situations is what matters.

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Originally posted by TPM:
I wasn't speaking of rz, I was speaking of the other incident where the parent chewed out on the coach from embarrasing his son and in a post, it's hard to really know teh entire situation without being there.

Got that?

Then you should quote the previous post so there is no confusion. Got that?

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Sometimes there is alot more to the situation than people know.

That was my only point and I put it in a personal setting,

ssmom, I'm a teddybear, but like many other moms/dads might think, don't physically get in my face and unduely insult my family.

Perhaps one of the more provocative threads I have read around here in a long, long time.

rz1 - my friend, you are very, very lucky. Lucky you did not go to jail and lucky you are not buying that coach a new Cadilac. That said...

I was not in your shoes and I have felt like punching someone out in the past - kind of like Coach May described. Maybe sometimes the moral outrage of words is so agregious, that it is justified to go beyond the law. One has to be prepared to assume the consequences however and for that I am not sure it is worth it.

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Originally posted by Coach May:
I can not pass judgement on rz because I was not there. Heck the other night I wanted to punch a guy in the face. I got up at 6am worked all day. Practice until 7:00. Went to eat with my wife. A parent walks up in the middle of my meal and begins to tell me that his son is being done wrong and we play daddyball. #1 his kid was kept on the team because he is a great kid and he works hard. #2 he is not even the 2nd or 3rd option on the field at this posistion. I tell the guy I am trying to eat and he needs to schedule a meeting for a later date. He obviously had a few drinks and he begins to get loud. I then tell him to leave me alone and to just go away. He then is led out of the establishment by the staff.

I get home at 9pm and spend 2 hours on the phone talking to college coaches. I get to bed around 12 midnight. Trust me if I had been in a dark parking lot I probaly would have knocked his a** out. Sometimes there is alot more to the situation than people know. Sometimes people need their a** knocked out.

Coach May,

I love you man!!!

I think what is happening here is that this post is becoming intertwined with the " Did this coach go too far? Everyone thinks so " post, also located in the General forum.

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ssmom, I'm a teddybear,

I know,........you're a teddy bear,.... with a cold,...a beautiful family,....and a successful right hook.

In a public forum, it is very dangerous to in any way condone physical assault on a coach, especially after a verbal confrontation. If you feel justified in your criminal activity, keep it to yourself. Don't come on a public forum, and try to justify your crime. Keep it to yourself so some whacko parent with a gun doesn't find justification for teaching his kid's coach a lesson in the parking lot.

Yikes, this thread has taken an unusual turn! Just my two cents from a personal viewpoint: I know there are some situations in which my husband would throw a punch to defend his family, and perhaps to defend his family's honor. And he knows he might end up going to jail it if he did, especially the latter. And finally, I don't think most of us want this thread to appear to be condoning physical violence.



So, has anyone seen any good baseball games lately?


(Yes, I know the batter above is facing the wrong direction. I'm a pitcher's mom.)

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Originally posted by TPM:
I agree with not passing judgment because we don't know the entire situation (only what was posted from an upset parent) and not in the players or coaches shoes. After thinking about that, that's why I lightened up a little.

But here is the difference, IMO. You admitted your daughters got cut because they s****d (your word), many parents would say that they got cut because the coach did.

Were there many times that we felt some coach wasn't fair, you bet. However, experience sometimes is the voice of reason, most of the time you can look back and say, what did I get so bent out of shape for? That's why the HSBBW is so valuable, what appears to be an injustice or politics at the time is really just a bit of some BS you learn always exists as you progress, for players and parents.

KT,
Where did I mention I was agreeing with rz, I was refering to the themez parent's plight in another thread.

Sometimes it's good to read from the beginning to follow the flow, got that.

Or better yet, you could have just said, "TPM are you saying what rz did was right"?

You were passing judgement, what exactly rz was pointing out.

BTW, I didn't know the whole story at that time and didn't pass judgement, but since I do, yeah. If you got in my face and told me my kids were stupid, I might consider taking you on, all 5'2" of me.

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Originally posted by KnightTime:

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Originally posted by rz1:
After practice I caught up to him in the privacy of the parking lot and in a friendly tone, explained this was a new game to them and that they would come around if given a chance. He responded by saying they didn't have the smarts to pick anything up even if they stepped on it. I retired from boxing that day 1-0 with a 1 punch ko.

I could have explained this situation as my daughters were not doing what they were told and being ridiculed for it, I stepped in to rescue them, dropped the coach, and I would have been looked at as an over reacting parent by many on this site. In reality, many saw this as a coach vs parent situation where a parents point had to be put on the table as it had gone beyond player/coach and I happened to be the guy whos trigger was tripped. Or, maybe I was unknowingly delegated as the sacrificial lamb
Did the coach learn anything? Besides the fact that I was left handed, I guess he did loosen up.

I don't see any humor in this post whatsoever. If you physically assaulted the coach, you should be spending time in jail. It's a disgrace that you commited a serious crime, and have the nerve to post it on this site. I can't believe the coach didn't press charges, even if he is a jerk in your eyes. I just hope that puffing out your chest and bragging about assaulting a coach doesn't give some other whacko parent justification for this kind of demented action. Shame on you.

Rz1 You did what you felt was needed. I have been
critisized on this thread for just talking to the coach after the game in a very calm manner. Sure maybe I over reacted a little bit. This is why I took it on myself to talk with parents in visible range has to show them I was not confrontational.
You got upset because he basically told you your daughters were STUPID in different terms. I guess people think because your the coach you can humiliate, intimidate and
disrespect whoever, whenever they want. I see those succesful coaches who do it a different way and get good results also. You are not a isolated incident.
There was a brawl at a HS boys s****r game in this area recently. Coaches, parents, players unbelivable. Last year the pop warner league had a brawl with parents from both teams and the riot squad with the PD showed up to stop it. This happened just before the playoffs started. The playoffs were canceled. It sounds like the guy deserved it.

Cookies and pie in the kitchen all,......

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Originally posted by shortstopmom:
Cookies and pie in the kitchen,......

smells good

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It sounds like the guy deserved it.

He may have themez but I don't think you want to go there. One punch can kill or maim an individual and that is why there are laws against it in every state.

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Originally posted by MN-Mom:



So, has anyone seen any good baseball games lately?


(Yes, I know the batter above is facing the wrong direction. I'm a pitcher's mom.)

MN-Mom,

I think he must be in his follow through and has realized that he hit it because it's not in the Catcher's mitt, LOL.

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Originally posted by TPM:
KT,
Where did I mention I was agreeing with rz, I was refering to the themez parent's plight in another thread.

Sometimes it's good to read from the beginning to follow the flow, got that.

Or better yet, you could have just said, "TPM are you saying what rz did was right"?

You were passing judgement, what exactly rz was pointing out.

BTW, I didn't know the whole story at that time and didn't pass judgement, but since I do, yeah. If you got in my face and told me my kids were stupid, I might consider taking you on, all 5'2" of me.

Your post followed rz's, so it appeared to be in succession. Go back and look. Just quote the previous post to which you are commenting, and there won't be confusion. Truce.

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Originally posted by KnightTime:
In a public forum, it is very dangerous to in any way condone physical assault on a coach, especially after a verbal confrontation. If you feel justified in your criminal activity, keep it to yourself. Don't come on a public forum, and try to justify your crime. Keep it to yourself so some whacko parent with a gun doesn't find justification for teaching his kid's coach a lesson in the parking lot.

At the point the guy got decked, he was no longer a Coach. He was just a sad human being, probably with very low self-esteem. It is true that RZ1 is lucky he is not in jail, but if I were the Judge and the Coach came in front of me with this story, I'd say, okay, your punishment has already been given. Why are you here? Then I would ask rz1 out to dinner or to have a few beers later.

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Originally posted by themez:
Rz1 You did what you felt was needed.

Wow, another brilliant post by Dr. themez. So, if someone feels the coach needed a bullet between his eyes, it would be justified? As long as the agressor feels it's needed, by all means, have at it. Who am I to question his actions?

Is there a shred of critical thinking in your mind before you make your posts?

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
At the point the guy got decked, he was no longer a Coach. He was just a sad human being, probably with very low self-esteem. It is true that RZ1 is lucky he is not in jail, but if I were the Judge and the Coach came in front of me with this story, I'd say, okay, your punishment has already been given. Why are you here? Then I would ask rz1 out to dinner or to have a few beers later.

What a sad statement of where we are in the youth sports community. No wonder adult violence in youth sports is on the rise.

With all due respect themez,
This posted by YOU:

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This JV baseball coach gets the respect from me whatever he dishes out. He is a fricking volunteer. He does not teach at the school. He is being paid by my tax dollars to coach the team. He works for ME. I talk to the coach on my terms not his. You do things in front of me or my children I don't like it you'll hear about it, I don't care who you are. You think I'm any bit concerned of a retread baseball Coach.
Please!!!Coach the team. Have some ethics. Teach the youngmen with a good example.If He ticks me off again I'll be in his face again.

The " I'll be in his face again " part doesnt exactly coincide with this part, also written by you:

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I have been
critisized on this thread for just talking to the coach after the game in a very calm manner

Which was it,..in his face,...or in a very calm manner?

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Originally posted by shortstopmom:
With all due respect themez,
This posted by YOU:

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This JV baseball coach gets the respect from me whatever he dishes out. He is a fricking volunteer. He does not teach at the school. He is being paid by my tax dollars to coach the team. He works for ME. I talk to the coach on my terms not his. You do things in front of me or my children I don't like it you'll hear about it, I don't care who you are. You think I'm any bit concerned of a retread baseball Coach.
Please!!!Coach the team. Have some ethics. Teach the youngmen with a good example.If He ticks me off again I'll be in his face again.

The " I'll be in his face again " part doesnt exactly coincide with this part, also written by you:

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I have been
critisized on this thread for just talking to the coach after the game in a very calm manner

Which was it,..in his face,...or in a very calm manner?

Interesting contradiction ssmom and I am not sure how one can reconcile the two positions.

Is someone here among us pretending to be someone they are not?

What kinda cookies? What kinda pie? I am the cookie monster!!!!

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Originally posted by shortstopmom:
With all due respect themez,
This posted by YOU:

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This JV baseball coach gets the respect from me whatever he dishes out. He is a fricking volunteer. He does not teach at the school. He is being paid by my tax dollars to coach the team. He works for ME. I talk to the coach on my terms not his. You do things in front of me or my children I don't like it you'll hear about it, I don't care who you are. You think I'm any bit concerned of a retread baseball Coach.
Please!!!Coach the team. Have some ethics. Teach the youngmen with a good example.If He ticks me off again I'll be in his face again.

The " I'll be in his face again " part doesnt exactly coincide with this part, also written by you:

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I have been
critisized on this thread for just talking to the coach after the game in a very calm manner

Which was it,..in his face,...or in a very calm manner?

It was very calm and collective in your face.
very low voice, no hand or arm movement, kinda like a whisper.

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Originally posted by 2Diamonds:
What kinda cookies? What kinda pie? I am the cookie monster!!!!

Since I do not see Woodrow around, just recently received a shipment of these at my office:

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Originally posted by KnightTime:

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Originally posted by themez:
Rz1 You did what you felt was needed.

Wow, another brilliant post by Dr. themez. So, if someone feels the coach needed a bullet between his eyes, it would be justified? As long as the agressor feels it's needed, by all means, have at it. Who am I to question his actions?

Is there a shred of critical thinking in your mind before you make your posts?

Are you with PETA I mean PETC

People for the Ethical Treatment of Coaches.

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It was very calm and collective in your face.
very low voice, no hand or arm movement, kinda like a whisper.

Theres a Brooklyn Bridge for sale here in Kansas,....I promise I'll give ya a fair price for it.

I'm throwin' in the towel for today.
I expect that cookie platter to be clean as a whistle and plenty of crumbs on the floor, 2Diamonds, by the time I get back!

I'm so sorry for bringing this up like this. As far as condoning violence, my hands should be in a dish soap commercial because they are so soft and smooth. I have machines that blow snow and leaves because I hate blisters.

I never meant for this to go in this direction nor do I condone violence of any kind. I explained my reason for my post and it was to bring to light misconceptions and never did I think of it in this public forum as a means to support violent acts. That would be stupid

I may have been wrong...he was wrong...it was settled. A learning experience for him on a knee jerk reaction by me.

btw- My daughters had never played sokker and in the end of that practice he used them in the goal as shooting targets and smirked his way through it. He thought they played before but never bothered to ask anyone. The girls never found out, and still don't know of the confrontation between him and I. We went to the next practice, but they did not quit until they were cut. I insisted they go out of respect for the team concept.

KnightTime you are free to judge me as you please, but loosen the noose a little so I can explain my side.

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Originally posted by MN-Mom:

So, has anyone seen any good baseball games lately?

One.

I find this thread interesting as to people's reactions to two seperate things. I am not sure if he indicated what he did was right or wrong at first, but just how things go down sometimes without knowing all the circumstances. And I never thought he was supporting this type of behavior.

But I do think it's agood lesson that sometimes we post things and it's not to hurt anyone or put anyone down, for everyone, lots get lost in teh translation on messageboards.

I also think that fathers react differently when daughters come into the picture. My husband always told his son to stick up for himself if he felt he was not being treated fairly, he wouldn't do it, but you SAY one wrong thing or treat daughter unfairly about his daughter, you are in trouble. With 2 daughters he would need chains.

I look at this as two seperate situations, no way did the cosch call themez's son stupid or not intelligent or make reference to that fact. He got on his case because he wasn't hustling. themez should have waited until he spoke to his son aobut what was going on before a confrontation. If he had an injury he should have spoken up. If having a mental block, help him to work it out.

JMO.

Wow, reading this post just amazes me.
Coach May we have all felt like punching someone,
but you wouldnt croos that line unless maybe your life was being threatened.
There can not be a justification for hitting someone in the face,coach or parent. If someone called my kid stupid I would def. deal with it somehow,but hitting someone and going off on people is just not a good thing. there is way too much violence in youth sports over these types of issues.
I was surprised when on one post someone said they had one security guard at every game. What the H--- has sports come to my goodness.I think in my next life my kids will be musicians or something.
This is just craziness. Also that a parent approaches Coach May at a restaurant while he is eating. Goodness gracious people. I am in no way condoning the actions of the coach that insulted the posters kid, but that was a little over the top. If we as parents are getting this heated up, we all need to step back and re evaluate what we are doing here.this is really unhealthy for everyone involved.

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Originally posted by rz1:
I'm so sorry for bringing this up like this. As far as condoning violence, my hands should be in a dish soap commercial because they are so soft and smooth. I have machines that blow snow and leaves because I hate blisters.

I never meant for this to go in this direction nor do I condone violence of any kind. I explained my reason for my post and it was to bring to light misconceptions and never did I think of it in this public forum as a means to support violent acts. That would be stupid

I may have been wrong...he was wrong...it was settled. A learning experience for him on a knee jerk reaction by me.

btw- My daughters had never played sokker and in the end of that practice he used them in the goal as shooting targets and smirked his way through it. He thought they played before but never bothered to ask anyone. The girls never found out, and still don't know of the confrontation between him and I. We went to the next practice, but they did not quit until they were cut. I insisted they go out of respect for the team concept.

KnightTime you are free to judge me as you please, but loosen the noose a little so I can explain my side.

rz1 - nice post and I hope the coach accepts this position.

While we are all eating our milk, cookies, and cherry pie, perhaps we could sing:

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KUMBAYA
Traditional.

Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbayah

Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

SSM,

A+ today for reading comprehension and analyzing posts.

I'll take sugar cookies with m&m's. Actually I am really in the mood for one of those bags of hershey candy coated eggs they sell around Easter time.

Make that a double.

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Originally posted by KnightTime:

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
At the point the guy got decked, he was no longer a Coach. He was just a sad human being, probably with very low self-esteem. It is true that RZ1 is lucky he is not in jail, but if I were the Judge and the Coach came in front of me with this story, I'd say, okay, your punishment has already been given. Why are you here? Then I would ask rz1 out to dinner or to have a few beers later.

What a sad statement of where we are in the youth sports community. No wonder adult violence in youth sports is on the rise.

This situation has nothing to do with youth sports. It has everything to do with people in our society saying whatever they want to someone without consequence.

rz
Don't know the situation so I won't comment but
sounds like the coach wanted to meet you and you introduced yourself.

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Originally posted by fanofgame:
Wow, reading this post just amazes me.
Coach May we have all felt like punching someone,
but you wouldnt croos that line unless maybe your life was being threatened.
There can not be a justification for hitting someone in the face,coach or parent. If someone called my kid stupid I would def. deal with it somehow,but hitting someone and going off on people is just not a good thing. there is way too much violence in youth sports over these types of issues.
I was surprised when on one post someone said they had one security guard at every game. What the H--- has sports come to my goodness.I think in my next life my kids will be musicians or something.
This is just craziness. Also that a parent approaches Coach May at a restaurant while he is eating. Goodness gracious people. I am in no way condoning the actions of the coach that insulted the posters kid, but that was a little over the top. If we as parents are getting this heated up, we all need to step back and re evaluate what we are doing here.this is really unhealthy for everyone involved.

While that is good advice, this is always how it goes down in youth sports.

Most of us here are very protective of our children and often times have trouble letting go. I guess after hearing all the things that go on nowadays, that's a good thing. A parent leaves her 3 children home alone at night to go see boyfriend and comes home drunk, a mother hoses down her toddler with a pressure hose, these are bad parents.

However, from my years of being invloved in baseball, I don't always see everything as being protective, but immediately as a bruised ego and that's when we need to step back and think about the situation and whether we need to let our children handle it and not let our emotions get away with us at that particular time.

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This situation has nothing to do with youth sports. It has everything to do with people in our society saying whatever they want to someone without consequence.

For the most part, people can say what they want in this country because that is the way the founding fathers set it up. Even hate speech is allowed which goes beyond calling someone stupid. There are limits to that however. You cannot shout fire in a crowded theatre for example. If someone says something defamatory toward you that causes harm, it's possible you might be able to take legal action against them. If someone threatens you, you might be justified defending yourself and they might be exposed to further criminal liability.

What we don't want in this society, is that each person who is insulted then uses violence to solve their respective problem. I think we all agree on that - right?

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Originally posted by TPM:
SSM,

A+ today for reading comprehension and analyzing posts.

I'll take sugar cookies with m&m's. Actually I am really in the mood for one of those bags of hershey candy coated eggs they sell around Easter time.

Make that a double.

This could be the answer to why some guys want to punch people for being a holes. Not enough chocolate! I'm heading to the vending machine now, so I can calm down, LOL!