JV Politics - Please tell me it's not always this bad

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:

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Originally posted by KnightTime:

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
At the point the guy got decked, he was no longer a Coach. He was just a sad human being, probably with very low self-esteem. It is true that RZ1 is lucky he is not in jail, but if I were the Judge and the Coach came in front of me with this story, I'd say, okay, your punishment has already been given. Why are you here? Then I would ask rz1 out to dinner or to have a few beers later.

What a sad statement of where we are in the youth sports community. No wonder adult violence in youth sports is on the rise.

This situation has nothing to do with youth sports. It has everything to do with people in our society saying whatever they want to someone without consequence.

Sticks and stones may break my bones...

Listen to yourself. The justified consequences are criminal physical assault? How about he and the other parents take their case to the school administration, league board, or police? There's a reason for rules, regulations, and laws.

The only players that fall into the category of "politics" are the ones that are not separating themselves from the pack. Politics are coin flip decisions and the complainers are the ones that didn't win the toss.

The funny thing about this is how much conviction parents have in the belief that this is an isolated situation pertaining to their kid.

"I swear, my kid REALLY is a much better player, its not even close" I have heard it in little league, middle school and then in to high school. Even if a parent thinks the situation is political, fine. Just don't start seeding your kids mind with excuses. Try telling them to work harder and remove any doubt who should be on the field.

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Originally posted by rz1:
I never meant for this to go in this direction nor do I condone violence of any kind. I explained my reason for my post and it was to bring to light misconceptions and never did I think of it in this public forum as a means to support violent acts. That would be stupid

I may have been wrong...he was wrong...it was settled. A learning experience for him on a knee jerk reaction by me.

KnightTime you are free to judge me as you please, but loosen the noose a little so I can explain my side.

rz1, I understand your side and appreciate your comments. I would be seethingly angry if someone blatantly insulted my children. However, I cannot condone your physical assault on the coach, jerk or not. You should have handled it through the proper channels. Sounds like you would have had plenty of support from the other parents you said witnessed everything.

I'm just making a point that we cannot start condoning or justifying physical attacks on coaches because we don't like their verbal conduct, player decisions, batting order, substitution patterns, etc, etc. There are always parents angry with me because I cut their son, or yanked him from the lineup, or yelled at him during a game. Are they justified in attacking me in the parking lot, or in my driveway, whether it's a punch, kick, or gunshot? This should be a zero tolerance subject.

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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:

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This situation has nothing to do with youth sports. It has everything to do with people in our society saying whatever they want to someone without consequence.

For the most part, people can say what they want in this country because that is the way the founding fathers set it up. Even hate speech is allowed which goes beyond calling someone stupid. There are limits to that however. You cannot shout fire in a crowded theatre for example. If someone says something defamatory toward you that causes harm, it's possible you might be able to take legal action against them. If someone threatens you, you might be justified defending yourself and they might be exposed to further criminal liability.

What we don't want in this society, is that each person who is insulted then uses violence to solve their respective problem. I think we all agree on that - right?

I would prefer that people treat each other with respect at all times. Since we all know that isn't going to happen, I have to look at what is going on in our society today and the way they treated each other in say the 1950s. If two guys got in a fist fight (as long as it wasn't in an establishment where they broke something) no charges were filed. No one got shot afterwards. They worked it out and things were okay afterwards. I think people treated each other with respect back then and they were taught to do so by their parents. In this day in age, people learn through experience that because the laws are the way they are, you can treat people like dirt and get away with it.

Would I ever punch someone for yelling at one of my kids or sitting them on the bench? No way, but this guy knew he was in the wrong and said what he said because he thought he would get away with it! That was his second mistake, IMO. I also think he didn't press charges because he knew he had made a mistake and shouldn't have said what he said.

In short, I think our society is in effect teaching our kids to be disrespectful to others. That's just my opinion. You have your opinion and I have mine. I respect your right to have an opinion.

I'm not saying

The other side of the coin with this violence issue:

As a coach, what am I to do when an angry parent runs down from the stands to the dugout, and starts verbally insulting me in front of my players and coaches, as well as fans in the stands, after I pulled his/her kid out of the lineup? The parent who tells me I am a stupid, fat bleep, that has no idea how to coach a game or judge talent, and favors certain kids with certain parents? This is not hypothetical. It actually happened to me, more than once.

Am I justified in confronting that parent in the parking lot, and bopping him in the nose, because I didn't like being embarrassed, or felt offended? No, I would lose my job, be on the national news, and likely end up in jail.

Somehow, some parents can justify their own irrational actions, but never think about turning the tables.

What happened to accountability?

Man, I think its sad when a kid works his tail off AND still is not better than a kid with a ton of natural ability that has no work ethic. But that's life. Dad can whoop your coach, write lettes to the AD and complain about breaks, but none of it makes your kid any better at the game.

Most coaches want to win and will put the players on the field that gives him that opportunity. Just remember that the next time your kid is sitting. It's a tough pill to swallow and parents will be teaching valuable lessons with how they handle this adversity.

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SSM,

A+ today for reading comprehension and analyzing posts.

Awww shucks TPM,...thanks,...but you really need to give the A+ to my beautician.
Ever since she changed my blonde highlights to red ones, its just amazin' the things my itty bitty ol' brain can come up with!

Fanofgame,....all kidding aside, I am so sorry for your loss. Violence is such a terrible thing.

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we can not keep resulting to violence to deal with our problems.

Fanofthegame,

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Im just stating my opinion NO VIOLENCE period , unless your life is being threatened.

This is also off track but when do you know your life is threatened? I am a very non confrontational person. I grew up with a whole lot of violence. Not in my home, but outside of it. Daily fights, some bad, some not so bad. I avoid almost all arguments because I know that ALL confrontations can end up deadly. People know me as very easy going but my wife knows my dark side and helps me with it. My belief is that if you are willing to get in somebodies face you had better be willing to die for it because it WILL happen sooner or later. You never know what will trigger someone. Bad day, just got fired, spouse left you, child died, drug/alcohol abuse, psycological problems and now they get a chance to take it out on you. One poorly placed punch and there you are, dying on the ground thinking of how you died because of a stupid argument.
There are so many things going on outside of the situation that you are in that you never know how bad a situation can get if you decide to"get in someones face".

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Originally posted by KnightTime:
The other side of the coin with this violence issue:

As a coach, what am I to do when an angry parent runs down from the stands to the dugout, and starts verbally insulting me in front of my players and coaches, as well as fans in the stands, after I pulled his/her kid out of the lineup? The parent who tells me I am a stupid, fat bleep, that has no idea how to coach a game or judge talent, and favors certain kids with certain parents? This is not hypothetical. It actually happened to me, more than once.

Am I justified in confronting that parent in the parking lot, and bopping him in the nose, because I didn't like being embarrassed, or felt offended? No, I would lose my job, be on the national news, and likely end up in jail.

Somehow, some parents can justify their own irrational actions, but never think about turning the tables.

No! As a Coach, you should have someone in charge of the field escort that parent off of the grounds and if that didn't work, call the cops. If parents cause a scene at a game, they should not be allowed to come back to the games and should be told that up front.

I've read every word of every posts here. WOW! Absolutely amazing stuff. Having been here a couple of times, first, to any coach, should you know you have "that dad" be proactive and get your administration to step up and get security to the games. I have coached at two different schools and both schools had either an administrator OR security at each game. It really isn't that hard to do. I've been blessed with great parents that have been very supportive. However, "that dad" comes along every now and again. "That dad" might be insecure or embarassed that his child doesn't stack up and so, those rose colored glasses come on and every remark by a coach gets magnified. "That Dad" often has some other problem such as alcohol. Believe me, been there. Done that! Often, but not always, the signs of "that dad" and alcohol problems surface early. You have to move early. I've done so two or three times and given these dads notice that I will have them removed if they show up under the influence. What none of these "dads" realize is the embarassment they are to their children despite the numerous times their child ask them to change. The child is innocent and should never be held accountable for "that dad."

Themez, you've made a splash. No doubt about that. Regarding coaching and yelling, you and I'd have major problems. I'm a yeller. Regarding your statement about yellers not at the hightest level, I've coach two teams that have been "Mythical National Champions." What the community has come to realize is that while I yell, I also give a lot of pats on the back. I can't speak for the coach at your son's school. However, I'm betting most coaches that "kick them in the butt" also pat them on the back. I always told the kids I'd give them 8 positives to one negative. However that one negative WILL BE REAL BAD! Clearly, you've identified yourself to that coaching staff. I hope they don't hold that against your son. I'd like to end this politically correct "stuff" and tell you what I really think and what you can do with your "I pay his salary ****." So does the parent of every kid that got cut. It doesn't give you any more rights than any member of your community. BTW, I believe it is now a federal crime to attack either a coach or umpire. Do the crime, do the time.

RZ1, you have a posting history here and so, I appreciate your honest.

For all, really this politics issue, angry at the coach et. al. has a simple and easy solution. I'm constantly amazed at parents not being parents. If you believe that your child is being abused, treated in any other way unfairly, and/or at risk of injury or insult, REMOVE YOUR CHILD FROM THE TEAM. Parents have to act responsibly as PARENTS when others aren't acting in a responsible manner.

Finally, politics is in the eye of the beholder. It is not uncommon and easily compared to excuses. I kept a kid one year that was "rough." I cut a kid that was not a good kid that was "Polished." (Drugs etc.) POLITICS WAS THE CRY BECAUSE THE KID I KEPT HAD A DAD THAT WAS "SOMEONE" IN OUR COMMUNITY. That rough kid who had never been coached was throwing it 90 mphs with coaching. He became polished.

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rz1, I understand your side and appreciate your comments. I would be seethingly angry if someone blatantly insulted my children. However, I cannot condone your physical assault on the coach, jerk or not. You should have handled it through the proper channels. Sounds like you would have had plenty of support from the other parents you said witnessed everything.

Because I'm 6'8" 310lbs does that make me a bully? Kidding, I'm an average sized big guy and simple child of the 70's.

I thought I handled it better than most would. He didn't touch them physically, but tell me, would you put a 12-13 yr old kid behind the plate for bp in a non-rec environment if he had never caught before, as a penalty for not performing the right way, then sit back and enjoy the show? He put them both in the goal in front of the entire team for penalty kick practice. A 25 year old man pushing around little girls, I'll write my alderman next time.

No parent saw what happened. They knew I went to talk to him and the next practice his tune changed toward everyone, nothing said. Now I had support, but my kids were cut, but they should have been.

Like I said, sometimes message board explanations does not do the situation justice and before judgement is passed you need to understand the whole story. This was no ones business but mine and my mistake for bringing it up. I don't gloat about it, puff out my chest, or make any macho point, and it's the first time I shared it outside an immediate circle.

To be completely honest it is the first time it was argued because those who knew about it before thought I handled it ok, I've never been taken apart like this before. Maybe thats just how/where I was brought up. In my neck of the woods almost every home has at least 1 weapon inside, almost every home has blaze orange or camo hanging in the front closet. You went to hunters safety before involved in a coach pitch League. That may be a different environment than many others are involved with and my way of thinking may be skewed.

I think I've beaten this to death. Again..............sorry

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Originally posted by Doughnutman:
Fanofthegame,

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Im just stating my opinion NO VIOLENCE period , unless your life is being threatened.

This is also off track but when do you know your life is threatened? I am a very non confrontational person. I grew up with a whole lot of violence. Not in my home, but outside of it. Daily fights, some bad, some not so bad. I avoid almost all arguments because I know that ALL confrontations can end up deadly. People know me as very easy going but my wife knows my dark side and helps me with it. My belief is that if you are willing to get in somebodies face you had better be willing to die for it because it WILL happen sooner or later. You never know what will trigger someone. Bad day, just got fired, spouse left you, child died, drug/alcohol abuse, psycological problems and now they get a chance to take it out on you. One poorly placed punch and there you are, dying on the ground thinking of how you died because of a stupid argument.
There are so many things going on outside of the situation that you are in that you never know how bad a situation can get if you decide to"get in someones face".

Of course that was taken out of context. Not really a discussion for a HS web. But if someone broke into my house and held a gun to someone in my family I would think my life is being threatened. goodness gracious Im not talking about some confrontation, I think we would know when our lives are really being threatend.you insult my intelligence.

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:
No! As a Coach, you should have someone in charge of the field escort that parent off of the grounds and if that didn't work, call the cops. If parents cause a scene at a game, they should not be allowed to come back to the games and should be told that up front.

Exactly! I had no justification to physically assault that crazed parent. I took it through the proper channels, and the parent got banned from attending future games. The problem with this discussion is that some parents feel that rz's physical assault on the coach was justified because his kids were insulted and he was offended. Just like me, he should have handled it through the proper channels. Breaking the law was not justifiable.

Fan,
I am not insulting your intelligence. Road rage kills how many people because of a fender bender? How many small arguments at sports activities escalate into brawls? How many policemen are killed or have to kill to protect themselves due to a traffic stop? How many kids die fighting over stupid things? It only takes one time. I am glad if you don't see things that way but I do. Different upbringings I guess.

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Originally posted by rz1:
Maybe thats just how/where I was brought up. In my neck of the woods almost every home has at least 1 weapon inside, almost every home has blaze orange or camo hanging in the front closet. You went to hunters safety before involved in a coach pitch League. That may be a different environment than many others are involved with and my way of thinking may be skewed.

I don't think having guns and hunting gear in your home have anything to do with it. I would hope you would use better judgement before pulling out your weapon and using it on a disliked coach. You should also use better judgement before hauling off and punching one because of a verbal insult. It's not the gun, it's the criminal.

I love chocolate chip cookies!!

This is an amazing thread.

Haven't been around here long, but I can say one thing about all this.

As a young man growing up, I was taught one very important lesson. Never ever insult a mans Mother, Daughter or wife.(and possibly his dog) If you do, you're liable to get your clock cleaned.

All this it's a crime, you're a criminal, you should be in prison is just PC blah blah blah.

rz gave the guy what he deserved. I'm sure if he was prosecuted he'd take whatever punishment was dished out, like a man. It's what men do.

Protect your Mothers, Daughters and wives...it's why we're men!! ( and yes, I still open the door for ladies, call them mam...and answer other men with "yes sir or no sir") Old fashioned huh???

Doughnutman,

did you read all my posts. I deleted the one you seem to have taken out of context. it has nothing to do with baseball. If someone broke into your house armed and assaulted someone in your family and you could do something what would you do? talk to them non confrontational. I get so tired of people taking one freaking sentence out of an entire thread and pounce on it like that. Anyways I really dont have time for this. My son has a game today.I too said i was against vilolence.

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Originally posted by 1BDad:
All this it's a crime, you're a criminal, you should be in prison is just PC blah blah blah.

rz gave the guy what he deserved. I'm sure if he was prosecuted he'd take whatever punishment was dished out, like a man. It's what men do.

Protect your Mothers, Daughters and wives...it's why we're men!! ( and yes, I still open the door for ladies, call them mam...and answer other men with "yes sir or no sir") Old fashioned huh???

Breaking the law has nothing to do with PC blah blah blah. You are not old fashioned, just ignorant. And, I am a Republican, believe it or not. Physical assault was illegal in the 1950's, and it's still illegal today. Get over your macho, "it's what men do" BS.

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Originally posted by 1BDad:

As a young man growing up, I was taught one very important lesson. Never ever insult a mans Mother, Daughter or wife.(and possibly his dog) If you do, you're liable to get your clock cleaned.

Wow folks, we really got the 'fur flying' as my wrestling coach used to say.
My only 2 cents: worst place i got "approached" about coaching - during my daughter's junior high vocal concert. Right during the singing this wacko wants answers to his questions.
Politics - I hope all the teams we play this year are picking their teams and making out the lineups based on politics, because if they aren't we are really going to have to fight to make it over .500

RZ1 I can't say I agree with you that the guy deserved it because I have been physically attacked by a parent. I sat his kid, who was a very good player and starter, against a very weak team to let another kid who never got to play and would probably (and did) have a good game against the weak team. I told the starter what the deal was before the game "Hey, i'm going to let little Bobby play today because he hasn't got to play much. I think he could do pretty well today but you are back in there the next game". The starter pouted the entire game and I could hear him make snide remarks when the replacement made a play.

I yelled at him in front of the team for being selfish. Was he embarassed - you better believe it. After the game was over the guys were in the dugout putting equipment away and this game came at me on my blind side. I luckily turned in time to see him. I was able to grab him to keep him from tackling me. He grabbed me and took a haymaker swing but missed. I returned the punch and hit him in the side of the head. That is when the other coaches and players came over.

He was being held back by the other two coaches while I had 7 of my players tackle me and pin me to the ground. The reason they had to get so physical / rough with me is I was going after him. I got so ticked off over the whole situation I was going to do something.

RZ1 I can't say you were right but I can understand why you felt that way and took the action you did. While legally it's pretty clear you were wrong I have to say morally (not sure if that is the right word) it's a very grey area.

I don't feel I was in the wrong or did anything wrong. I gave a kid who has worked his butt off in practice and been a great teammate on the bench a chance to play - a reward. I explained it to the starter and told him he would be back out there when we played our next game. He was selfish. I hope nobody gets on here and say I deserved to be attacked because I yelled / embarassed a selfish player. I believe this is type of situation that Knighttime is talking about.

RZ1 I enjoy reading your posts and have a lot of respect for you but I am up in the air about what you did. I can see where you are justified in what you did but Knighttime is right that a crazy parent might see what you did and think it's ok to take it to the next level.

This thread is unbelievable. How did it go so far afield? My two cents:

rz -- you did what you felt needed doing at the moment. And as 1BDad said, I'm sure you'd have taken whatever you got in return. I don't think for a moment that you were condoning violence.

Punching someone, and shooting someone are two totally different things. I can see myself, a middle-aged mom, getting p.o.d enough to lash out physically in certain circumstances. But that would mean hauling off and smacking somebody -- not arming myself and firing!

I'm a Roman Catholic, peace-loving, tree-loving, stay-at-home-mom, pro-life, left coast democrat. And my son knows to open doors for females and the elderly. And I would defend my children's safety with everything I have.

Am I "old fashioned" or "ignorant"?

Seems like the parents should also be required to sign a code of conduct before the season just like the players do. Then the kids can help in keeping an eye on their parents and remind them of what is acceptable behavior.

Just heading out the door and came to turn computer off. Coach 2709, good post. again situations do arise at times and we do not know how we will react. I really feel for the coaches out there that are the good ones and trying to be fair and play the best nine, give subs time when you are playing a weaker team etc etc.
I also feel for the players that arent getting a fair shake.Wish there was a solution to all of it but apparently its not going away. best of luck to all your teams.

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Breaking the law has nothing to do with PC blah blah blah. You are not old fashioned, just ignorant. And, I am a Republican, believe it or not. Physical assault was illegal in the 1950's, and it's still illegal today. Get over your macho, "it's what men do" BS.

I'm ignorant huh? Well, I guess you could make that assumption from my post.

I bet you don't speed, walk in the crosswalk and never roll thru a stop sign either!!

What does being a Republican have to do with it?

I bet you got beat up alot as a kid huh?? (my assumption, like you saying I'm ignorant..got it?)

Listen, while I type slowly....I didn't say it wasn't illegal...I said it was deserved. You get over it!!

Rz,

Just my opinion - but you stated that he "got in your"face.

I assume that to mean that he stepped to you - and basically got nose to nose.

Of course - without actually being there - it is hard to say - but assuming he did that - That is usually an invitation for a punch in the face.
It is a very confrontational and aggressive act.
Everyone has a right to defend themselves - and in that situation - you can bet your life - I am going to throw my best straight right - hard and often - before he throws his.

I certainly would expect the same of someone else if I stepped into them and got nose to nose.

There is no call for aggressive physical acts - and it sounds like he made the first move.

Just my opinion.

First of all I could never coach girls because there is no way I could ever yell or discipline them. God knew what he was doing when he gave me two boys. All three of my brothers have girls and they are my sweethearts. I pamper them all I can and I will continue to do so. If I ever saw anyone mistreat them I am afraid of what I might do.

I can not imagine having a daughter and then watch as a grown man mistreated them. So Im probaly the wrong person to even post on this subject. Hey why cant we just agree that rz did what he felt he had to do. That is a decision he has to live with. Its his right to defend his daughters. And he will have to live with any negative consequences or fall out that might occur.

From all accounts the guy was a rec s****r minded coach that needed someone to put him in his place. Im not saying rz should have or shouldnt have struck him. Only rz can answer that question. But lets let this dog die please.

That sokker coach and I left with a handshake, his apology, an understanding of "family", and no hard feelings what so ever. The only long lasting bruise was to his ego and my wallet for the shin pads I was stuck with. I think both of us looked at it only as a point made.

I've thought about how this has been responded to and in the end that angle of assault never entered my mind and hope I'm not judged as a gun toting Cheesehead and fist fighting dad.

I'll let my mouse do my talking from now on.

btw- I sold my last gun at our garage sale last summer and took up target shooting with a wrist rocket (high tech slingshot).The neighbors and I shoot balloons from the lawnchair position wearing floral shirts and hydrating with umbrella drinks. Leagues start when the snow melts and we can find the chairs. It will be an X-Games event soon.

Aarp cards can change a lifestyle.

peace

Not being at the scene you cannot say what could or should of happened

Sometimes a shot to the head will work---I recall when my son was 12 playing sokker---at games end they all line up for high fives and suddenly notice that one of the opposing team had disappeared--thanx to my son the kid was on the ground---as they high fived the kid had spit into his palm to lay it on my son--well right or wrong my son took umbrage with the move and took matters into his own hands---one shot and he kept walking

Did I discipline him ?---no way--spitting on someone is to me the lowest thing you can do, especially if you are high fiving after the game--all my son said to was a simple " he spit on me !"--nuff said son--sometimes drastic measures are needed to stand up for yourself.

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Originally posted by rz1:


I've thought about how this has been responded to and in the end that angle of assault never entered my mind and hope I'm not judged as a gun toting Cheesehead and fist fighting dad.

rz - I always viewed you as a fist fighting Cheesehead and a gun toting dad.

I am all mixed up. LOL

Only kidding.

Regards

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Originally posted by Coach May:
I can not pass judgement on rz because I was not there. Heck the other night I wanted to punch a guy in the face. I got up at 6am worked all day. Practice until 7:00. Went to eat with my wife. A parent walks up in the middle of my meal and begins to tell me that his son is being done wrong and we play daddyball. #1 his kid was kept on the team because he is a great kid and he works hard. #2 he is not even the 2nd or 3rd option on the field at this posistion. I tell the guy I am trying to eat and he needs to schedule a meeting for a later date. He obviously had a few drinks and he begins to get loud. I then tell him to leave me alone and to just go away. He then is led out of the establishment by the staff.

I get home at 9pm and spend 2 hours on the phone talking to college coaches. I get to bed around 12 midnight. Trust me if I had been in a dark parking lot I probaly would have knocked his a** out. Sometimes there is alot more to the situation than people know. Sometimes people need their a** knocked out.

I am 50 years old. THE most irrational grown adults I have known in my entire life were parents of son's high school teammates on the bench.

Regarding the rz twins footsie coach, I wasn't there either, but I had multiple telephonic screaming matches with the senior year head coach over everything from fall ball scout teams to pitch counts, that thankfully were Not in person, or I might still be in jail. I prefer simply working the system, going over the coaches head and getting them canned. Much less physically taxing and no apology is required.

powertoallfields ...

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I think a few more folks need to have their block knocked off once in a while and they would be a little more respectful to each other. People like Rush Limbaugh, Anne Colter and Laura Ingraham.

I find this one of the most offensive statements in the whole thread. I disagree with the comments which I feel try to justify hitting a person for a verbal attack, of self or children. That is my personal opinion and it differs from what some posters I highly respect have stated, but it doesn't change my respect for them. But please leave your political comments for the conservative talk show hosts' websites, or better yet, call Sean Hannity's hate-hotline and get it out of your system. If you don't like what they have to say, don't listen to them ... just like the 'ignore list' we can utilize here. But please don't condone violence against people whose political views you disdain ... it does not bode well for a site that is intended to help our sons reach the next level in the game.

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Originally posted by FutureBack.Mom:
powertoallfields ...

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I think a few more folks need to have their block knocked off once in a while and they would be a little more respectful to each other. People like Rush Limbaugh, Anne Colter and Laura Ingraham.

I find this one of the most offensive statements in the whole thread. I disagree with the comments which I feel try to justify hitting a person for a verbal attack, of self or children. That is my personal opinion and it differs from what some posters I highly respect have stated, but it doesn't change my respect for them. But please leave your political comments for the conservative talk show hosts' websites, or better yet, call Sean Hannity's hate-hotline and get it out of your system. If you don't like what they have to say, don't listen to them ... just like the 'ignore list' we can utilize here. But please don't condone violence against people whose political views you disdain ... it does not bode well for a site that is intended to help our sons reach the next level in the game.

It has nothing to do with theirs or my political views, but with their treatment of other people. It was a statement on the direction our country is heading in. 30 years ago no one would talk to or about people like these people do in public. That's just my opinion. BTW, I would never strike a woman, no matter how abusive they became. Now a mouth full of bar soap......

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Originally posted by KnightTime:
In a public forum, it is very dangerous to in any way condone physical assault on a coach, especially after a verbal confrontation. If you feel justified in your criminal activity, keep it to yourself. Don't come on a public forum, and try to justify your crime. Keep it to yourself so some whacko parent with a gun doesn't find justification for teaching his kid's coach a lesson in the parking lot.

Come down. Deckng a coach is probably misdemeanor assault and battery at the worst. $500 in bail and probation, with a clean record, based on recent cases, basically a free shot.

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Originally posted by powertoallfields:

It has nothing to do with theirs or my political views, but with their treatment of other people. It was a statement on the direction our country is heading in. 30 years ago no one would talk to or about people like these people do in public.

You must have grew up in a very different part of the country than I did. Nowadays - it seems - you cant say anything without offending someone. A bunch of wimps IMO

What people say has nothing to do with it. People can say whatever they hell they want - and perhaps if they go overboard - they can deal with the slander charges.

Physical confrontation is a whole different matter. We were not born to be other people's punching bags. You have every right to defend yourself against aggressive and hostile actions. Its called self defense.

If someone wants to play macho man - and get in someone's face - they should expect to be dropped like a bag of dirt. IMO.

Now Dad04 it was a free punch because it was a s****r coach. Dont assume everyone is going to give a free punch without something in return!

I edited the free shot part in the public interest but I think Ice Dancing coaches allow free shots too.

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took up target shooting with a wrist rocket (high tech slingshot).

I had a wrist rocket for a long time. I think I'll get another one. Thanks for the bright idea.

Ice Dancing Coaches rule! I would hate to be bitc* slapped by a Ice Dancing Coach. How would you ever live that one down?