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Talk about trolls you have to be a real loser to hang out on these boards all day just waiting for people like me to post.  I said I was done and you all keep posting.

@Rockers posted:

Talk about trolls you have to be a real loser to hang out on these boards all day just waiting for people like me to post.  I said I was done and you all keep posting.

Dude. You're kind of a jerk.  Move along.  You don't need advice.  Good luck to your son.   You've got your plan:  D1 or nothing.  Just post when he's either at his D1 or out of baseball entirely.   

Stop this bickering. The baseball world needs to add another category....T1 ..."Tim one".

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If you throw a hand grenade 90 Tim will find you !

@adbono posted:

If you throw a ^holy^ hand grenade 90 Tim will find you !

Be very careful with your language @adbono or you will risk the wrath of Tim.

@TimtheEnchanter posted:

Be very careful with your language @adbono or you will risk the wrath of Tim.

Will you pardon my mistake if I bring you a nice shrubbery?

and I am not a jerk or a privileged snobby parent but someone referred to private school parents as the problem.  Massive generalization and not true in my case!

Also I think RJM said tuition was 25k for private school, try over 50k now. 

Been paying tuition in one form another for those two boys for the past 24 years...

I’m the one that said it, and my comments were well qualified to not include all private school parents. My comments were based on my own personal experience which isn’t up for debate and has nothing to do with generation. It has everything to do with my experience with all types of baseball parents.

@Twoboys posted:

and I am not a jerk or a privileged snobby parent but someone referred to private school parents as the problem.  Massive generalization and not true in my case!

Also I think RJM said tuition was 25k for private school, try over 50k now.

Been paying tuition in one form another for those two boys for the past 24 years...

What day schools are 50K?  Most athletic environments are days schools. Yes, I know there’s IMG, Avon Farms and others. But they are the minority.

My mistake on the 25K. I was thinking of the full price at an Inter-Ac before scholarship my son was offered. He’s 28 now. We determined the gifted program at our highly regarded high school was as good as one of the top privates in PA.

The year I went to an ISL (Massachusetts) most of the schools were days schools. Mine had boarding. But most of the legitimate athletes (those with next level potential) were day students from the area.

I know adbono, just chiming in to say some private school parents are actually not entitled trust fund fancy car play my kid because I paid for this field types.

And RJM, since I think you live around Boston:  BBN, Milton (for day students) are now 50 k and Thayer (is actually 54k).  Exeter and Andover for day students are relative bargains at 46kish whereas Hotchkiss is now 54 k too.  Not gonna check others but you get it.  Same rates in NYC and DC for top schools.  It is a lot of money.  They all have big endowments and have a lot of aid, but still.

@Twoboys posted:

I know adbono, just chiming in to say some private school parents are actually not entitled trust fund fancy car play my kid because I paid for this field types.

And RJM, since I think you live around Boston:  BBN, Milton (for day students) are now 50 k and Thayer (is actually 54k).  Exeter and Andover for day students are relative bargains at 46kish whereas Hotchkiss is now 54 k too.  Not gonna check others but you get it.  Same rates in NYC and DC for top schools.  It is a lot of money.  They all big endowments and have a lot of aid, but still.

I just looked up the one I attended; 55K for day. 67K for boarders. But 34% receive financial aid with an average of 45K. I’ll bet it’s a lot of the athletes. What I had looked up after your first post was the cost of the highly regarded private that pursued my son academically and athletically. I’m surprised it’s only 37K (Inter-Ac, day only).

@RJM posted:

I just looked up the one I attended; 55K for day. 67K for boarders. But 34% receive financial aid with an average of 45K. I’ll bet it’s a lot of the athletes. What I had looked up after your first post was the cost of the highly regarded private that pursued my son academically and athletically. I’m surprised it’s only 37K (Inter-Ac, day only).

I understand it’s not an issue for some families but man that’s a lot of money to spend on pre-college education!

The private school to public school quality delta is much lower in Texas than many other parts of the country so I think it’s harder for us to wrap our heads around the competition and cost for private K-12.  Texas public schools, with some exceptions, are well funded and offer plenty of academic rigor and extra curricular opportunities.  

In regards to baseball, you get kids that are at some of the NE and SE boarding schools on basically athletic scholarships. I've seen coaches at 14U games scouting.

Also my 2022 had two teammates commit to D1s in the last few days. Both RHP one that touched 89 sits 85-88, other touched 90, sits 87-88.

@nycdad posted:

Also my 2022 had two teammates commit to D1s in the last few days. Both RHP one that touched 89 sits 85-88, other touched 90, sits 87-88.

What schools?

@adbono posted:

What schools?

sent you a message.

@nycdad posted:

sent you a message.

Thanks!

We have had 2022's committing around here to D1's of late. 4 RHP's and a position player in the last week. Wichita State (decommit from ECU), Air Force, U of St Thomas (D1 starting this year), Dallas Baptist, and South Dakota State.

Several D2's and JUCOs as well. 90%+ of the JUCO kids (the higher end players) from MN end up at Iowa JUCO's instead of MN. What are your thoughts on Iowa JUCO's @adbono? I read you talking a lot about TX, FL, OK, and others in the south but not much on others in the midwest.

@adbono posted:

I understand it’s not an issue for some families but man that’s a lot of money to spend on pre-college education!

The average aid is 45K. It brings it down to 10K for a day student. When I went in the 70’s it was 8K for boarders (NPV 49K).. The inflation on education has been fierce.

My son was offered half off on 25K thirteen years ago. The school is now 37K. Our high school was too strong academically to consider the change. Most baseball players didn’t start until junior year at the private. It was a USA top 25. We put a lot of faith in a new coach turning around a doormat high school baseball program. For my son’s three years they came in second and two conference titles.

@nycdad posted:

In regards to baseball, you get kids that are at some of the NE and SE boarding schools on basically athletic scholarships. I've seen coaches at 14U games scouting.

One of the local privates runs a 13u tournament. It’s when they started talking to us. But a graduate of the school and a former All American and AAA player had the coach come watch my son when he was eleven in LL. The turn off was they wanted him to enter after his freshman year of high school and repeat the year. Most of their seniors were 19.

@22and25 posted:

The private school to public school quality delta is much lower in Texas than many other parts of the country so I think it’s harder for us to wrap our heads around the competition and cost for private K-12.  Texas public schools, with some exceptions, are well funded and offer plenty of academic rigor and extra curricular opportunities.  

Overall, Massachusetts is #1 for public education. The cost for privates is still extremely high. People are paying it. My mother (a snob) got off on telling people where I went to private school. She was livid when I refused to return fourth form, err soph year. I couldn’t stand a majority of the 220 students. Our high school was one of the best in the country. In fact, it’s now referred to as Taj MaHigh.

“Well, of course one only stays at The Plaza when in New York.”

Yes, I’m aware The Plaza has gone mostly condo since.

@RJM posted:

Overall, Massachusetts is #1 for public education.

Based on what criteria?  I always get a chuckle out of these types of rankings between states or countries of such different size and demographics…the data is virtually worthless as apples and oranges can’t be ranked.

@used2lurk posted:

We have had 2022's committing around here to D1's of late. 4 RHP's and a position player in the last week. Wichita State (decommit from ECU), Air Force, U of St Thomas (D1 starting this year), Dallas Baptist, and South Dakota State.

Several D2's and JUCOs as well. 90%+ of the JUCO kids (the higher end players) from MN end up at Iowa JUCO's instead of MN. What are your thoughts on Iowa JUCO's @adbono? I read you talking a lot about TX, FL, OK, and others in the south but not much on others in the midwest.

I live in Texas and played JuCo & D1 in Texas. My son played JuCo/D2 in Oklahoma. I write about those areas because I know a lot about them. I’m only generally familiar with Iowa JuCos. From what I have seen they range from pretty good to very good. Iowa Western and Indian Hills are both very good. Iowa Western may be more of a meat grinder. I saw Indian Hills at JuCo WS in Grand Junction and watched a game in their fan section. They were very good and the kids and parents seemed to really like the program. When my son was at NOC Enid they played Kirkwood, North Iowa Area, Southeastern, Southwestern, DMACC, and Ellsworth so I have seen all those teams play within the past 3 years. Don’t know enough to comment on the program (being good or bad) but they were all competitive on the field. I remember DMACC, Kirkwood, & NIACC being the better teams back then. But things can change in a hurry in JuCo ball. There are a handful of good programs in Kansas & Missouri also. Send me a PM if you want to know about a specific school or conference and I will tell you what I know. Hope that helps.

@22and25 posted:

Based on what criteria?  I always get a chuckle out of these types of rankings between states or countries of such different size and demographics…the data is virtually worthless as apples and oranges can’t be ranked.

Since my kids are beyond school age I didn’t read the articles. The headlines showed up in my news aggregator a couple of times recently. They were from national publications.

Whats more important is the individual school district where you chose to live. When we moved when my oldest was five the top criteria was school district and crime. When we moved when she was two the same criteria was at the top. We didn’t anticipate moving again.

Has this reached "Golden Thread" status yet?

@314Calhoun posted:

Has this reached "Golden Thread" status yet?

I dunno 314Calhoun. This Thread went 18 pages and I don't see it listed as "Golden."

That thread was about Tebow so it goes without saying that it is golden.

Wow, can’t believe I missed this gem. Saw LHP and didn’t read it because it wouldn’t be relevant. Nice and entertaining thread though.

@TerribleBPthrower posted:

Wow, can’t believe I missed this gem. Saw LHP and didn’t read it because it wouldn’t be relevant. Nice and entertaining thread though.

I think you misspelled dumpster fire.

@TerribleBPthrower posted:

Wow, can’t believe I missed this gem. Saw LHP and didn’t read it because it wouldn’t be relevant. Nice and entertaining thread though.

I ignored it, too, til now! I just couldn't let this thread go by without jumping in.  Y'all understand, right? I did bring along some marshmallows and hotdogs to roast, so help yourselves.

I like the black Ticonderoga.

I must say I am disappointed that you can get these pre-sharpened now...  The smell of an old school pencil sharpener is something that is lost on today's generation...  Maybe this is what it takes now to get recruited by the HA K-12 private schools that smokeminside speaks about... If only I had known way back when...

Smoke, as usual, is unbelievably funny in his quirky way. But I don't know how I feel about my beloved pencils being included. Some things are sacred.

Last year, as a gratitude exercise, we gave each person in our a family something simple that they LOVE and brings them JOY.  My husband bought me a Costco box of Ticonderogas.  It was my favorite gift of the year. Although those black ones do look pretty sleek....

I must comment on the comments re: Ticonderoga pencils and the tactile--possibly even sensuous--experience of manually sharpening a pencil.

I had never seen the black Ticonderoga before and can only assume it's a private school pencil. I imagine the Black Ticonderoga as a luxury version of the basic yellow pencil, like a Cadillac CT5 compared to a Chevy Malibu.

Since my aim is to illuminate as well as educate, here's a picture of Ticonderoga boxes over the years. The company was founded in 1795, which makes it pretty old by American standards.

The company is now owned by an Italian conglomerate. Disappointing but not a deal breaker. What may be a dealbreaker for the purists among us is revealed in the article linked here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com...d92a3585d_story.html

Short version: the Italian owners maintain shadow offices in Florida and Georgia and Ticonderoga pencils are now made in China and Mexico instead of the U.S. Perhaps that's why the boxes no longer sport the Revolutionary War soldier. It's a sad state of affairs, imo, and one that has me now considering switching to this pencil brand, made in Tennessee :

Now about sharpening a pencil. For the young among you, this is what a REAL pencil sharpener looks like:

It can be mounted on a desk or wall with several screws.  It's sturdy, dependable, requires no electricity, and the sound of its sharpening action recalls hearing ocean surf from a bit of a distance.  Or, maybe, a small chainsaw doing light work.  It also allows a more intimate interaction between the scribe and the care of the pencil, a relationship if you will. I know I will.

Thanks for asking and I'll be here all week.

Holy graphite Batman!  I have never, ever seen so much discussion about pencils!!

The soul-satisfying, though poverty-inducing  result of a liberal arts education.

BTW, I think I saw that Ticonderoga dude in "Hamilton,"

or maybe it was in that brave boat crossing the Delaware

BTW #2: The original ‘Crossing’  was painted by a German, IN Germany, and was displayed at the Kunsthalle Bremen art museum in 1851. It stayed there for decades, but was lost in an RAF bombing raid on Bremen in 1942,  Britain’s final revenge for the Revolution. The painting in the Met is the artist's copy.

Or maybe it was just Uncle Lee, before a UMass Minutemen game.

The truth is out there.

Well, since we're all actually learners here, I share this with you, w/o comment:

Origin

Middle English (denoting a fine paintbrush): from Old French pincel, from a diminutive of Latin peniculus‘brush’, diminutive of penis ‘tail’. The verb was originally (early 16th century) in the sense ‘paint with a fine brush’.

In case you're wondering, I'm really trying to get this thread to 7 pages because I like prime numbers, like D1, which is obviously the only D that matters.

It worked!