According to a source that I know 
, as per John McCormack, the new rules go into effect August, 2018.
TPM posted:According to a source that I know
Correct, the official visit portion does go into effect August 1.
The unofficial visit piece goes into effect next Thursday if approved by BoD during next Wednesday’s vote.
According to a new update rules are in effect immediately?
I think this is confusing for everyone but this comes from a compliance office.
TPM posted:According to a new update rules are in effect immediately?
I think this is confusing for everyone but this comes from a compliance office.
Very confusing.
Originally, one recruiting coordinator said everything was immediate with no contact at all until junior year. Another said we have six days to get recruits on campus so yes, there was lots of confusion.
Here’s how it was explained to me:
The unofficial visits for freshmen and sophomores (facilities tours by coaches, coaches leaving tickets and baseball coaches meeting with recruits on campus) stop next week if approved on Wednesday. I’ve been told that it will definitely pass.
No freshmen or sophomores baseball recruits will be on campus after Wednesday. Freshmen/sophomores will still be allowed to call coaches when facilitated by a travel or high school coach. They considered removing all contact until junior year which (I believe) softball did implement.
Interesting side bar, one coach said they voted against new rule because they thought it was all or nothing and didn’t realize that it was three (1. Allowing OV’s for juniors 2. Not allowing UV’s prior to junior year & 3. Forbidding all contact before junior year) separate proposals.
The official visits for juniors go into effect on August 1 although no official visits can happen before Sept 1. I guess the one month grace period is for planning.
Thanks Shu. Maybe by midweek, all will finalized.
TPM posted:Thanks Shu. Maybe by midweek, all will finalized.
No problem. Sounds like there is still lots of confusion but I think you’re right. Things will be more clear next week.
So to clarify. Current 2020s will be able to resume UV on Sept. 1 if they haven’t taken the SAT, or can do OV, only if they have?
baseballhs posted:So to clarify. Current 2020s will be able to resume UV on Sept. 1 if they haven’t taken the SAT, or can do OV, only if they have?
Wait, I thought that SAT/ACT requirement was just Yale (in other words, they're not paying for an OV if they don't know what your SAT/ACT score is). I don't think that is a general requirement.
For 2020s, I think non-local UVs (anything that involves flights or hotels) will decline a lot. Say an out-of-state coach invites you to visit after Sept 1st, but isn't willing to pay for the visit -- would you spend $1000 or more out of pocket for a UV in that scenario?
2019Dad posted:baseballhs posted:So to clarify. Current 2020s will be able to resume UV on Sept. 1 if they haven’t taken the SAT, or can do OV, only if they have?
Wait, I thought that SAT/ACT requirement was just Yale (in other words, they're not paying for an OV if they don't know what your SAT/ACT score is). I don't think that is a general requirement.
For 2020s, I think non-local UVs (anything that involves flights or hotels) will decline a lot. Say an out-of-state coach invites you to visit after Sept 1st, but isn't willing to pay for the visit -- would you spend $1000 or more out of pocket for a UV in that scenario?
Someone mentioned the SAT scores earlier. I hadn't ever really paid attention to the OV rules because it was mostly for kids who had already committed and were meeting the other commits senior year. My son is a 2020 and we are in the middle of everything. We have already done several UV and were planning to do 2 more after playoffs. This really changes the dynamic for summer. I don't think schools are going to pay for a ton of OV for everyone they are recruiting when most of the prospects will not have seen the facilities yet. I also feel like this may lead to them making more offer than normal because they won't really know where the recruit stands. It will work itself out but I think it presents the most issue for the 2020s. That said, if I was willing to pay for the UV before, why wouldn't I now? Also, will there be limits on how many OV they can take?
baseballhs posted:2019Dad posted:baseballhs posted:So to clarify. Current 2020s will be able to resume UV on Sept. 1 if they haven’t taken the SAT, or can do OV, only if they have?
Wait, I thought that SAT/ACT requirement was just Yale (in other words, they're not paying for an OV if they don't know what your SAT/ACT score is). I don't think that is a general requirement.
For 2020s, I think non-local UVs (anything that involves flights or hotels) will decline a lot. Say an out-of-state coach invites you to visit after Sept 1st, but isn't willing to pay for the visit -- would you spend $1000 or more out of pocket for a UV in that scenario?
Someone mentioned the SAT scores earlier. I hadn't ever really paid attention to the OV rules because it was mostly for kids who had already committed and were meeting the other commits senior year. My son is a 2020 and we are in the middle of everything. We have already done several UV and were planning to do 2 more after playoffs. This really changes the dynamic for summer. I don't think schools are going to pay for a ton of OV for everyone they are recruiting when most of the prospects will not have seen the facilities yet. I also feel like this may lead to them making more offer than normal because they won't really know where the recruit stands. It will work itself out but I think it presents the most issue for the 2020s. That said, if I was willing to pay for the UV before, why wouldn't I now? Also, will there be limits on how many OV they can take?
As 2019 said, I don’t think ACT/SAT is required before OV. I think for a school like Yale, they would want to make sure that a kid can qualify before paying for an OV.
Also, I believe each recruit is allowed five OV’s.
Lastly, 2019 brings up another great point. It’s probably not a big deal to take a UV within a couple hundred miles. If it would require a flight, maybe a parent now thinks “if they are really interested, why don’t they foot the bill for it?”
I may be wrong but transcripts and at least one test score is required for Div 1. The recruit has to show that he is eligible threw admissions.
But that was under the old rules, not sure now.
You must have an ACT/SAT test score to take an official visit. It can be an 11 on the ACT, but you can’t take an official without it.
For 2020s who are already in the process of corresponding with particular coaches, talking timeline, etc., does this speed up/slow down/have no effect on offers that might arise from those relationships?
baseballhs posted:That said, if I was willing to pay for the UV before, why wouldn't I now? Also, will there be limits on how many OV they can take?
Here's my thought process. Under the old rules, the school simply wasn't allowed to pay for a visit for a junior, so the only way for the kid to visit before senior year would be for the parent to foot the bill. You had no choice. Sometimes the school is super interested (offer forthcoming on visit) and sometimes mildly interested, but it can be hard to tease that out under the current rules. Under the new rules, the school can put its money where its mouth is, so to speak, so I think it changes the calculus for the parent. JMO
TPM posted:I may be wrong but transcripts and at least one test score is required for Div 1. The recruit has to show that he is eligible threw admissions.
But that was under the old rules, not sure now.
d-mac posted:You must have an ACT/SAT test score to take an official visit. It can be an 11 on the ACT, but you can’t take an official without it.
Thanks for clarifying!
hshuler posted:TPM posted:According to a new update rules are in effect immediately?
I think this is confusing for everyone but this comes from a compliance office.
Very confusing.
Originally, one recruiting coordinator said everything was immediate with no contact at all until junior year. Another said we have six days to get recruits on campus so yes, there was lots of confusion.
Here’s how it was explained to me:
The unofficial visits for freshmen and sophomores (facilities tours by coaches, coaches leaving tickets and baseball coaches meeting with recruits on campus) stop next week if approved on Wednesday. I’ve been told that it will definitely pass.
No freshmen or sophomores baseball recruits will be on campus after Wednesday. Freshmen/sophomores will still be allowed to call coaches when facilitated by a travel or high school coach. They considered removing all contact until junior year which (I believe) softball did implement.
Interesting side bar, one coach said they voted against new rule because they thought it was all or nothing and didn’t realize that it was three (1. Allowing OV’s for juniors 2. Not allowing UV’s prior to junior year & 3. Forbidding all contact before junior year) separate proposals.
The official visits for juniors go into effect on August 1 although no official visits can happen before Sept 1. I guess the one month grace period is for planning.
Shu,
Interesting that the players will still be allowed to contact the coaches. I assumed that was the reason for the "no 3rd party contact" clause.
Does anyone know how the contact rule changes are after Sept 1 of Junior year? Are coaches allowed to openly contact players via text/phone call throughout Junior and Senior year?
LeftyDadP9 posted:hshuler posted:TPM posted:According to a new update rules are in effect immediately?
I think this is confusing for everyone but this comes from a compliance office.
Very confusing.
Originally, one recruiting coordinator said everything was immediate with no contact at all until junior year. Another said we have six days to get recruits on campus so yes, there was lots of confusion.
Here’s how it was explained to me:
The unofficial visits for freshmen and sophomores (facilities tours by coaches, coaches leaving tickets and baseball coaches meeting with recruits on campus) stop next week if approved on Wednesday. I’ve been told that it will definitely pass.
No freshmen or sophomores baseball recruits will be on campus after Wednesday. Freshmen/sophomores will still be allowed to call coaches when facilitated by a travel or high school coach. They considered removing all contact until junior year which (I believe) softball did implement.
Interesting side bar, one coach said they voted against new rule because they thought it was all or nothing and didn’t realize that it was three (1. Allowing OV’s for juniors 2. Not allowing UV’s prior to junior year & 3. Forbidding all contact before junior year) separate proposals.
The official visits for juniors go into effect on August 1 although no official visits can happen before Sept 1. I guess the one month grace period is for planning.
Shu,
Interesting that the players will still be allowed to contact the coaches. I assumed that was the reason for the "no 3rd party contact" clause.
Does anyone know how the contact rule changes are after Sept 1 of Junior year? Are coaches allowed to openly contact players via text/phone call throughout Junior and Senior year?
From what I was told by one particular RC, the two biggest points of contention for them were the UV rule going to Sept of junior year (they wanted Sept 1 sophomore year) and no contact rule.
The contact rule as far as phone calls/texts have not changed. Players can still call/text coaches but coaches cannot call/text players until Sept 1 of the junior year.
hshuler posted:LeftyDadP9 posted:hshuler posted:TPM posted:According to a new update rules are in effect immediately?
I think this is confusing for everyone but this comes from a compliance office.
Very confusing.
Originally, one recruiting coordinator said everything was immediate with no contact at all until junior year. Another said we have six days to get recruits on campus so yes, there was lots of confusion.
Here’s how it was explained to me:
The unofficial visits for freshmen and sophomores (facilities tours by coaches, coaches leaving tickets and baseball coaches meeting with recruits on campus) stop next week if approved on Wednesday. I’ve been told that it will definitely pass.
No freshmen or sophomores baseball recruits will be on campus after Wednesday. Freshmen/sophomores will still be allowed to call coaches when facilitated by a travel or high school coach. They considered removing all contact until junior year which (I believe) softball did implement.
Interesting side bar, one coach said they voted against new rule because they thought it was all or nothing and didn’t realize that it was three (1. Allowing OV’s for juniors 2. Not allowing UV’s prior to junior year & 3. Forbidding all contact before junior year) separate proposals.
The official visits for juniors go into effect on August 1 although no official visits can happen before Sept 1. I guess the one month grace period is for planning.
Shu,
Interesting that the players will still be allowed to contact the coaches. I assumed that was the reason for the "no 3rd party contact" clause.
Does anyone know how the contact rule changes are after Sept 1 of Junior year? Are coaches allowed to openly contact players via text/phone call throughout Junior and Senior year?From what I was told by one particular RC, the two biggest points of contention for them were the UV rule going to Sept of junior year (they wanted Sept 1 sophomore year) and no contact rule.
The contact rule as far as phone calls/texts have not changed. Players can still call/text coaches but coaches cannot call/text players until Sept 1 of the junior year.
So there is no chance they take away the ability to call? I have told my son to make all his calls in the next couple of days in case.
baseballhs posted:hshuler posted:LeftyDadP9 posted:hshuler posted:TPM posted:According to a new update rules are in effect immediately?
I think this is confusing for everyone but this comes from a compliance office.
Very confusing.
Originally, one recruiting coordinator said everything was immediate with no contact at all until junior year. Another said we have six days to get recruits on campus so yes, there was lots of confusion.
Here’s how it was explained to me:
The unofficial visits for freshmen and sophomores (facilities tours by coaches, coaches leaving tickets and baseball coaches meeting with recruits on campus) stop next week if approved on Wednesday. I’ve been told that it will definitely pass.
No freshmen or sophomores baseball recruits will be on campus after Wednesday. Freshmen/sophomores will still be allowed to call coaches when facilitated by a travel or high school coach. They considered removing all contact until junior year which (I believe) softball did implement.
Interesting side bar, one coach said they voted against new rule because they thought it was all or nothing and didn’t realize that it was three (1. Allowing OV’s for juniors 2. Not allowing UV’s prior to junior year & 3. Forbidding all contact before junior year) separate proposals.
The official visits for juniors go into effect on August 1 although no official visits can happen before Sept 1. I guess the one month grace period is for planning.
Shu,
Interesting that the players will still be allowed to contact the coaches. I assumed that was the reason for the "no 3rd party contact" clause.
Does anyone know how the contact rule changes are after Sept 1 of Junior year? Are coaches allowed to openly contact players via text/phone call throughout Junior and Senior year?From what I was told by one particular RC, the two biggest points of contention for them were the UV rule going to Sept of junior year (they wanted Sept 1 sophomore year) and no contact rule.
The contact rule as far as phone calls/texts have not changed. Players can still call/text coaches but coaches cannot call/text players until Sept 1 of the junior year.
So there is no chance they take away the ability to call? I have told my son to make all his calls in the next couple of days in case.
I was told on Saturday and this morning by coaches at two different schools that the ability to call coaches would not change.
Interesting twist: "Lacrosse is already using this model and an NCAA rule interpretation is that messages may not be passed through any third parties in an effort to continue recruiting communications. That would be considered an NCAA rule violation." So it sounds like the freshman or sophomore player can call the college coach, but the college coach can't ask someone (like a travel coach) to ask the player to call.
2019Dad posted:Interesting twist: "Lacrosse is already using this model and an NCAA rule interpretation is that messages may not be passed through any third parties in an effort to continue recruiting communications. That would be considered an NCAA rule violation." So it sounds like the freshman or sophomore player can call the college coach, but the college coach can't ask someone (like a travel coach) to ask the player to call.
I wonder what the new and creative loophole for this will be. Asking in code words?
1. Hey travel ball coach, can you make sure that Timmy, Justin, and Tom have my number, thanks ;-)
2. Is Jared's phone working?
3. I sure hope to see Billy on campus in May.
Oh goodness, this could get interesting!
2019Dad posted:Interesting twist: "Lacrosse is already using this model and an NCAA rule interpretation is that messages may not be passed through any third parties in an effort to continue recruiting communications. That would be considered an NCAA rule violation." So it sounds like the freshman or sophomore player can call the college coach, but the college coach can't ask someone (like a travel coach) to ask the player to call.
So basically, a player can still text a coach saying “I’ll call you Wednesday at 8:30 and if you can’t answer, I’ll try again at 9.”
Third parties are needed to set up the initial call so I guess “technically” players shouldn’t be able to talk with coaches (unless a relationship has been established already) before their junior year going forward, right?
I would guess if they call the travel coach to ask about you, you should attempt a call. Or they send letters about camp with the RC or PCs cell phone number.
I hate this new rule thing. I read an article from volleyball coaches who also expressed concern for the 2020s (who they said would be most negatively effected). She said that many had plane tickets and UV on the schedule and that it didn't seem that there was a lot of consideration for that. At the very least, there should be a grace period.
hshuler posted:2019Dad posted:Interesting twist: "Lacrosse is already using this model and an NCAA rule interpretation is that messages may not be passed through any third parties in an effort to continue recruiting communications. That would be considered an NCAA rule violation." So it sounds like the freshman or sophomore player can call the college coach, but the college coach can't ask someone (like a travel coach) to ask the player to call.
So basically, a player can still text a coach saying “I’ll call you Wednesday at 8:30 and if you can’t answer, I’ll try again at 9.”
Third parties are needed to set up the initial call so I guess “technically” players shouldn’t be able to talk with coaches (unless a relationship has been established already) before their junior year going forward, right?
This is all so confusing, I'm hopeful there will be some specific clarification/guidance when the rule change officially occurs.
What is meant by the phrase "unless a relationship has been established already?" How/when does that prior relationship get established?
baseballhs posted:I hate this new rule thing. I read an article from volleyball coaches who also expressed concern for the 2020s (who they said would be most negatively effected). She said that many had plane tickets and UV on the schedule and that it didn't seem that there was a lot of consideration for that. At the very least, there should be a grace period.
Good point about pre-purchased UV expenses. The immediacy of the change is what seems to be so surprising to both players and coaches. Or maybe not so much for the coaches. I think all of us knew change was coming, but none of us expected it to occur this abruptly. Perhaps the coaches are feeling that way as well and will consider that in the final vote by implementing some sort of grace period. Or even delaying the implementation by 1 academic year to allow parties on both sides to plan and proceed accordingly. It will interesting to see how it plays it officially on Wednesday.
Zia2021 posted:hshuler posted:2019Dad posted:Interesting twist: "Lacrosse is already using this model and an NCAA rule interpretation is that messages may not be passed through any third parties in an effort to continue recruiting communications. That would be considered an NCAA rule violation." So it sounds like the freshman or sophomore player can call the college coach, but the college coach can't ask someone (like a travel coach) to ask the player to call.
So basically, a player can still text a coach saying “I’ll call you Wednesday at 8:30 and if you can’t answer, I’ll try again at 9.”
Third parties are needed to set up the initial call so I guess “technically” players shouldn’t be able to talk with coaches (unless a relationship has been established already) before their junior year going forward, right?
This is all so confusing, I'm hopeful there will be some specific clarification/guidance when the rule change officially occurs.
What is meant by the phrase "unless a relationship has been established already?" How/when does that prior relationship get established?
“Unless a relationship has been established already” are my words. Meaning that if a kid is already talking to coaches, he doesn’t need a third party to facilitate the communication process.
How does a coach now initiate contact with a freshmen or sophomore without the ability to work through a third party?
I wish I had been able to chime in with comments earlier in this discussion, but I was helping our son move last week and didn't have much time to be on my laptop.
Regarding a comment by PABaseballDad and a few others, it makes sense that schools may need to offer more "official visits", however, Division I programs are limited to no more than 25 official visits during a year (Aug. 1 thru July 31).
An interesting note about this new rule that has nothing to do with baseball and shows how well thought out (NOT) this rule was - Division I swimming and diving programs aren't allowed to place phone calls to prospects until July 1 AFTER the junior year of high school, but they are now allowed to offer an official visit during the junior year????
I reached out to a Division I compliance director who is a very good friend of mine who shared the following information that may be of interest to any of you might have already purchased plane tickets to take unofficial visits - it might be possible to at least get reimbursed for any tickets that you purchased:
"The NCAA has indicated that they understand that there are going to be situations where recruits have planned unofficial visits prior to this legislation going into effect. The NCAA is willing to give schools some leeway in the form of a legislative relief waiver if the following can be shown:
- When is the unofficial visit scheduled to occur?
- Provide contemporaneous documentation to demonstrate when the unofficial visit was scheduled (e.g., plane ticket, hotel room).
- Provide documentation to demonstrate actual and necessary expenses incurred by the prospective student-athlete that are not refundable or recoverable if the visit is cancelled.
- Legislative relief waiver requests will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis with consideration provided to when the visit was scheduled.
- For visits where contemporaneous documentation demonstrates the visit was scheduled prior to January 17, 2018, the staff will consider relief to permit the visit to occur.
- For visits where contemporaneous documentation demonstrates the visit was scheduled between January 17 and April 18, 2018, the staff will consider relief to permit reimbursement to the prospective student-athlete for actual and necessary expenses incurred that are not refundable or recoverable.
- Further, staff is providing limited interpretative flexibility to permit institutions to initiate communication with a prospective student-athlete who has previously scheduled an unofficial visit to occur after April 25, 2018; however, communication is limited to educating the prospective student-athlete regarding the new legislation, cancelling the unofficial visit and gathering information related to a potential waiver request."
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The reason for the notation of the January 17 date is because that is when the official rule change was proposed and when Division I programs were made aware of the possible change to the rules for unofficial visits. I suggest that you contact the coaches or the athletic compliance office at the university that you were planning to visit if this situation exists for your family or someone you know.
Rick at Informed Athlete posted:I wish I had been able to chime in with comments earlier in this discussion, but I was helping our son move last week and didn't have much time to be on my laptop.
Regarding a comment by PABaseballDad and a few others, it makes sense that schools may need to offer more "official visits", however, Division I programs are limited to no more than 25 official visits during a year (Aug. 1 thru July 31).
An interesting note about this new rule that has nothing to do with baseball and shows how well thought out (NOT) this rule was - Division I swimming and diving programs aren't allowed to place phone calls to prospects until July 1 AFTER the junior year of high school, but they are now allowed to offer an official visit during the junior year????
I reached out to a Division I compliance director who is a very good friend of mine who shared the following information that may be of interest to any of you might have already purchased plane tickets to take unofficial visits - it might be possible to at least get reimbursed for any tickets that you purchased:
"The NCAA has indicated that they understand that there are going to be situations where recruits have planned unofficial visits prior to this legislation going into effect. The NCAA is willing to give schools some leeway in the form of a legislative relief waiver if the following can be shown:
- When is the unofficial visit scheduled to occur?
- Provide contemporaneous documentation to demonstrate when the unofficial visit was scheduled (e.g., plane ticket, hotel room).
- Provide documentation to demonstrate actual and necessary expenses incurred by the prospective student-athlete that are not refundable or recoverable if the visit is cancelled.
- Legislative relief waiver requests will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis with consideration provided to when the visit was scheduled.
- For visits where contemporaneous documentation demonstrates the visit was scheduled prior to January 17, 2018, the staff will consider relief to permit the visit to occur.
- For visits where contemporaneous documentation demonstrates the visit was scheduled between January 17 and April 18, 2018, the staff will consider relief to permit reimbursement to the prospective student-athlete for actual and necessary expenses incurred that are not refundable or recoverable.
- Further, staff is providing limited interpretative flexibility to permit institutions to initiate communication with a prospective student-athlete who has previously scheduled an unofficial visit to occur after April 25, 2018; however, communication is limited to educating the prospective student-athlete regarding the new legislation, cancelling the unofficial visit and gathering information related to a potential waiver request."
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The reason for the notation of the January 17 date is because that is when the official rule change was proposed and when Division I programs were made aware of the possible change to the rules for unofficial visits. I suggest that you contact the coaches or the athletic compliance office at the university that you were planning to visit if this situation exists for your family or someone you know.
Thanks for sharing that additional info.
After my son talked to one of his schools tonight they said the way they were going to do it was likely the way a lot of programs would do it. They are going to have a specific tour you sign up for that is geared for athletes and they are going to make offers over the phone.
This works if you are already connected, not sure how they will handle initial contact.
Pasting part of my comment from another thread I started before being alerted to this one. Some of it is still applicable, some has been touched on above. Thanks to every one for a very interesting discussion.
In general these sound like good changes to me, especially if they do effectively prevent verbal offers prior to a player's junior year of high school.
Perhaps a more interesting question, though, is how these rule changes will distort this summer's recruiting season. For my 2019 it won't matter, nor will it for a 2020. But if I'm a coach seriously looking at a 2021 this summer, am I more inclined to make that offer prior to day one of that 2021's sophomore year? The reason being because once the clock ticks to September 1 this year, I won't be able to host that 2021 on campus for an entire year, nor have (or continue) recruiting conversations with him. In other words, my suggestion is that this summer may prove a windfall for 2021 players hoping for offers.
I'm sure the good folks at PG would be able to look through their commitment numbers to see if this actually bears out. I've for a long time wanted to record the dates of the commitments as they are posted on their site, just so we can speak a little more accurately about when most commitments are made (knowing full well PG-listed commitments are not the entire universe of commitments). I'm of the mind that many people on these boards overestimate how early most offers are actually made, but that's another topic altogether.
The other aspect of these rule changes that will be interesting to see play out is in terms of camps, clinics, and showcases. Not this summer, but next summer it would seem that coaches running their camps will have to separate their sophomores from their juniors when they give their canned recruiting spiels. And as to the practical aspect of not talking to sophomores, that indeed will be difficult unless these players are separated altogether. Think about Headfirst and the way the coaches on the field currently are allowed to talk to any player they want. It was helpful for my 2019, last summer a sophomore, to be able to interact with coaches and see that they were just as human as the rest of us. Next summer he wouldn't have that same chance. And will Headfirst have to offer Junior/Senior only clinics and separate out the underclassmen? And how would they get college coaches to come to the underclass camps? Does it mean for coaches a greater emphasis on scouting tournaments and high school games, the latter being terribly inefficient? Would love to hear if I'm whiffing on all this, but has Headfirst just had a certain percentage of their market shorn away?
New rules don't affect football or basketball. "Son we want you to make an unofficial visit for football and while you are here you might as well tour the baseball facilities since you play baseball" loopholes are there for schools willing to bend the rules.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but coaches don't like this new OV rule because they will end up having to spend more money to bring their recruiting targets to campus during their junior year whereas under the current rules they get the vast majority of their verbal commitments without ever having to pay for a student and their family to officially visit campus?
JeffnNYC posted:Tell me if I'm wrong, but coaches don't like this new OV rule because they will end up having to spend more money to bring their recruiting targets to campus during their junior year whereas under the current rules they get the vast majority of their verbal commitments without ever having to pay for a student and their family to officially visit campus?
Your are wrong. They can bring them in on UV as juniors and then invite their signed recruits later as seniors for OV, as most do now. If they have more than the allotted amount then possibly they have too many signees and that should be a concern for everyone.
The whole idea behind these new proposals was to slow down the process and ensure that coaches weren't offering because they didn't want the competition to have them offering too early when the HS student really wasn't prepared to make a decision.
There are over 300 D1 programs and most really don't offer recruits until their junior year.
TPM posted:JeffnNYC posted:Tell me if I'm wrong, but coaches don't like this new OV rule because they will end up having to spend more money to bring their recruiting targets to campus during their junior year whereas under the current rules they get the vast majority of their verbal commitments without ever having to pay for a student and their family to officially visit campus?
Your are wrong. They can bring them in on UV as juniors and then invite their signed recruits later as seniors for OV, as most do now. If they have more than the allotted amount then possibly they have too many signers and that should be a concern for everyone.
The whole idea behind these new proposals was to slow down the process and ensure that coaches weren't offering because they didn't want the competition to have them offering too early when the HS student really wasn't prepared to make a decision.
There are over 300 D1 programs and most really don't offer recruits until their junior year.
I don’t think much changes at all outside of how they make initial contact. Not sure how that will play. There are still going to be tons of offers and early commits.
Does anyone have the final official wording?
Yes, for which one?
Rick at Informed Athlete posted:Yes, for which one?
I'd like to see the official wording for anything that applies to baseball. There was some questions about how the language would be regarding UV's and who from the campus could talk to a potential recruit. I also heard something about red-shirting, as well as coach communication with intermediaries...so...yeah...everything that could be baseball related.
I had a feeling this might happen. Requesting "anything" or "everything" sounds more appropriate for a paid consultation.