NCAA to grant an additional year of eligibility

Eokerholm posted:

Agreed for your program, however, if they move draft to August before school starts they all will have a chance to showcase/combine and then decide and move on and not incur another year of school or delay the real world if they don’t draft...

And with just 3 months before Omaha and draft, I would have hoped they had back up plans in place...

Nothing is guaranteed in life but death and taxes. No one expects to get laid off, divorced, or cancer. Life happens....

Food for thought.

https://www.baseballamerica.co...ft-signing-deadline/

If they uphold 30 day signing period, August draft might not be feasible.

Domino effect.

Does anyone know if, as we move forward,  the 2020 season will have existed when looking back, eg for career stats, player bio, etc?

Smitty28 posted:

Does anyone know if, as we move forward,  the 2020 season will have existed when looking back, eg for career stats, player bio, etc?

Interesting thought. 

Why wouldn’t it, ABs, R, OPS, Slugging, IP, K, ERA, WHIP why would that not count? 

Smitty28 posted:

Does anyone know if, as we move forward,  the 2020 season will have existed when looking back, eg for career stats, player bio, etc?

Why wouldn't it? I just looked at my kid's page and it shows career stats including 2020.

Well one reason why it may or may not count is because it can affect career stats and record books. What normally happens to a players stats/record book from a partial year played, injured, then gets a medical RS?  I do not know. 

I just spoke to a current D1 player in the American Athletic Conference. His coaches are telling him there is a 70% chance that NCAA doesn’t give an extra year of eligibility to any D1 players.  30% chance for seniors only.  Since MLB has already announced a draft of only 5-10 rounds D1 coaches already know that they will have more juniors returning than anticipated. The only decision that won’t result in roster chaos is for NCAA not to give any players an extra year. So my money is on that. 

In that case, my suggestion is that any D1 baseball player (and any other D1 spring sport athlete) had better be contacting their school and conference SAAC representatives (Student-Athlete Advisory Council) to do all they can through social media to let their voices be heard before the vote on Monday.  

Check out Twitter for a lengthy tweet from TCU baseball senior Haylen Green posted last evening as an example.  

Rick at Informed Athlete posted:

In that case, my suggestion is that any D1 baseball player (and any other D1 spring sport athlete) had better be contacting their school and conference SAAC representatives (Student-Athlete Advisory Council) to do all they can through social media to let their voices be heard before the vote on Monday.  

Check out Twitter for a lengthy tweet from TCU baseball senior Haylen Green posted last evening as an example.  

What do you think they will do with Hardship Redshirts Rick?  Will these guys still be able to apply for them or will they try to dissolve that clause this year?  Looking through the SEC teams almost every pitcher on every team except may 3-4 per team is eligible.

adbono posted:

I just spoke to a current D1 player in the American Athletic Conference. His coaches are telling him there is a 70% chance that NCAA doesn’t give an extra year of eligibility to any D1 players.  30% chance for seniors only.  Since MLB has already announced a draft of only 5-10 rounds D1 coaches already know that they will have more juniors returning than anticipated. The only decision that won’t result in roster chaos is for NCAA not to give any players an extra year. So my money is on that. 

Players need to band via social media, create a petition, run it up to their representatives  and start a class action suit against the NCAA and MLB.

The legal group that lead the lawsuit against the NCAA would probably love to have this case.

Rick at Informed Athlete posted:

In that case, my suggestion is that any D1 baseball player (and any other D1 spring sport athlete) had better be contacting their school and conference SAAC representatives (Student-Athlete Advisory Council) to do all they can through social media to let their voices be heard before the vote on Monday.  

Check out Twitter for a lengthy tweet from TCU baseball senior Haylen Green posted last evening as an example.  

And what kid couldn't write that this year?  My hs senior got 2 games.  No prom, likely no graduation.  Now many will get no freshman year either.  It sucks.  For everyone.  No one else is getting a redo on their businesses, jobs, etc.  This was a disaster, but everyone is being affected.   If everyone gets another year, the only one that really get screwed are the incoming freshmen because they get to lose two years.

baseballhs posted:

Rick at Informed Athlete posted:

In that case, my suggestion is that any D1 baseball player (and any other D1 spring sport athlete) had better be contacting their school and conference SAAC representatives (Student-Athlete Advisory Council) to do all they can through social media to let their voices be heard before the vote on Monday.  

Check out Twitter for a lengthy tweet from TCU baseball senior Haylen Green posted last evening as an example.  

And what kid couldn't write that this year?  My hs senior got 2 games.  No prom, likely no graduation.  Now many will get no freshman year either.  It sucks.  For everyone.  No one else is getting a redo on their businesses, jobs, etc.  This was a disaster, but everyone is being affected.   If everyone gets another year, the only one that really get screwed are the incoming freshmen because they get to lose two years.

Difficult to compare College and high school eligibility.

Regarding hardship redshirts for athletes that meet the "normal" requirements for a hardship waiver due to injury or illness, I would certainly think that athletes will still be apply to those.  I can't imagine the NCAA would take away an opportunity to use a waiver that's been "on the books" for many years.  

I screen shotted an excerpt from the 3/20/20 information posted on the NCAA website. Based on what this says, I feel like NCAA  is gonna defer the tough decisions to individual schools (maybe conferences). I am remaining hopeful that the NCAA will allow SA, no matter what age/year the opportunity to compete for a roster spot. The best players have earned that right. The incoming freshman that would have been drafted in other 6th round will compete for a spot against a junior that might have been drafted in late rounds. Sucks for everyone. But what would suck worse, is not even getting a chance to compete. 

Rick at Informed Athlete posted:

Regarding hardship redshirts for athletes that meet the "normal" requirements for a hardship waiver due to injury or illness, I would certainly think that athletes will still be apply to those.  I can't imagine the NCAA would take away an opportunity to use a waiver that's been "on the books" for many years.  

Question for you. What do you think the denominator will be for spring SA?  The number of games the baseball team played, or the number of games that were scheduled? Or is it a specific set number for each division?

RoadRunner posted:

I screen shotted an excerpt from the 3/20/20 information posted on the NCAA website. Based on what this says, I feel like NCAA  is gonna defer the tough decisions to individual schools (maybe conferences). I am remaining hopeful that the NCAA will allow SA, no matter what age/year the opportunity to compete for a roster spot. The best players have earned that right. The incoming freshman that would have been drafted in other 6th round will compete for a spot against a junior that might have been drafted in late rounds. Sucks for everyone. But what would suck worse, is not even getting a chance to compete. 

Yeah, sure, NCAA makes decision to give everyone another year of eligibility, then coaches have to come in and clean up the mess.  

I heard it could go either way, I hope they vote not to give anyone another year of eligibility, because it just creates a very, very difficult situation and a lot of folks are gonna be pissed off at  the coaches. 

I believe in college over the draft, for most freshman, but if your son really wants to play professional ball and a team offers an opportunity, take it, make them pay for school or remainder. Because the opportunity may not ever come up again. Same for juniors, if you really want to go pro, money shouldn't be your priority. 

JMO

Here's a link to an article in the Register on this and specifically related to baseball. Most of you may have understood this before, but it became much more clear to me after I read this. I think you can read up to 10 stories for free, so paywall shouldn't be an issue.

https://www.desmoinesregister....ity-vote/2922144001/

Iowamom23 posted:

Here's a link to an article in the Register on this and specifically related to baseball. Most of you may have understood this before, but it became much more clear to me after I read this. I think you can read up to 10 stories for free, so paywall shouldn't be an issue.

 

https://www.desmoinesregister....ity-vote/2922144001/

Nice article and thank you for posting. I am not an expert, so I don’t understand how this would cost schools more $?  I realize that certain conferences have their own rules about so called guaranteed scholarships, which they manage to work around every other non COVID 19 season. Granting the waiver within the current framework seems possible to me. Would there be more cuts?  For sure. Would the P5 possibly have to adjust their so called guaranteed scholarships (which aren’t a guarantee anyhow), for a time?  Maybe. 

TPM posted:

RoadRunner posted:

I screen shotted an excerpt from the 3/20/20 information posted on the NCAA website. Based on what this says, I feel like NCAA  is gonna defer the tough decisions to individual schools (maybe conferences). I am remaining hopeful that the NCAA will allow SA, no matter what age/year the opportunity to compete for a roster spot. The best players have earned that right. The incoming freshman that would have been drafted in other 6th round will compete for a spot against a junior that might have been drafted in late rounds. Sucks for everyone. But what would suck worse, is not even getting a chance to compete. 

Yeah, sure, NCAA makes decision to give everyone another year of eligibility, then coaches have to come in and clean up the mess.  

I heard it could go either way, I hope they vote not to give anyone another year of eligibility, because it just creates a very, very difficult situation and a lot of folks are gonna be pissed off at  the coaches. 

I believe in college over the draft, for most freshman, but if your son really wants to play professional ball and a team offers an opportunity, take it, make them pay for school or remainder. Because the opportunity may not ever come up again. Same for juniors, if you really want to go pro, money shouldn't be your priority. 

JMO

 

If I remember correctly, your son is a coach?  Perhaps you would feel differently about having an opportunity to compete if he was a player right now and not a coach?  Maybe not. My son would love to be a HC someday. And yes it would be difficult for the coaches. But in the end they will all still be coaches and getting paid.  They don’t have a 4 season limit. Nothing taken away from them, unless they perform poorly. 

RoadRunner posted:

TPM posted:

RoadRunner posted:

I screen shotted an excerpt from the 3/20/20 information posted on the NCAA website. Based on what this says, I feel like NCAA  is gonna defer the tough decisions to individual schools (maybe conferences). I am remaining hopeful that the NCAA will allow SA, no matter what age/year the opportunity to compete for a roster spot. The best players have earned that right. The incoming freshman that would have been drafted in other 6th round will compete for a spot against a junior that might have been drafted in late rounds. Sucks for everyone. But what would suck worse, is not even getting a chance to compete. 

Yeah, sure, NCAA makes decision to give everyone another year of eligibility, then coaches have to come in and clean up the mess.  

I heard it could go either way, I hope they vote not to give anyone another year of eligibility, because it just creates a very, very difficult situation and a lot of folks are gonna be pissed off at  the coaches. 

I believe in college over the draft, for most freshman, but if your son really wants to play professional ball and a team offers an opportunity, take it, make them pay for school or remainder. Because the opportunity may not ever come up again. Same for juniors, if you really want to go pro, money shouldn't be your priority. 

JMO

 

If I remember correctly, your son is a coach?  Perhaps you would feel differently about having an opportunity to compete if he was a player right now and not a coach?  Maybe not. My son would love to be a HC someday. And yes it would be difficult for the coaches. But in the end they will all still be coaches and getting paid.  They don’t have a 4 season limit. Nothing taken away from them, unless they perform poorly. 

2000 people have died as of today from this deadly virus and more to come.  Thats killing me inside. 

Yes,I feel terrible for the players just as I feel terrible for the coaches that also busted their rear ends getting their guys ready to compete. Endless hours. It sux for sure for everyone. Everyone. 

But losing a year of eligibility for any sport, isn't the end of the world right now. Not with what's happening now.

Schools  have made good on their scholarship commitments.

In the end, with or without an extra year, your son will get what he came to school for, his degree.

TPM wrote"

"But losing a year of eligibility for any sport, isn't the end of the world right now. Not with what's happening now...In the end, with or without an extra year, your son will get what he came to school for, his degree."

That's all that matters! Stay safe, folks!

TPM posted:

RoadRunner posted:

I screen shotted an excerpt from the 3/20/20 information posted on the NCAA website. Based on what this says, I feel like NCAA  is gonna defer the tough decisions to individual schools (maybe conferences). I am remaining hopeful that the NCAA will allow SA, no matter what age/year the opportunity to compete for a roster spot. The best players have earned that right. The incoming freshman that would have been drafted in other 6th round will compete for a spot against a junior that might have been drafted in late rounds. Sucks for everyone. But what would suck worse, is not even getting a chance to compete. 

Yeah, sure, NCAA makes decision to give everyone another year of eligibility, then coaches have to come in and clean up the mess.  

I heard it could go either way, I hope they vote not to give anyone another year of eligibility, because it just creates a very, very difficult situation and a lot of folks are gonna be pissed off at  the coaches. 

I believe in college over the draft, for most freshman, but if your son really wants to play professional ball and a team offers an opportunity, take it, make them pay for school or remainder. Because the opportunity may not ever come up again. Same for juniors, if you really want to go pro, money shouldn't be your priority. 

JMO

 

It's a business with human supply chain (Indentured). 

Coaches understand people are always pissed off, will make the appropriate decisions for the team and their own survival.

They will cut some players and redshirt many or players will transfer.

Heller and the author are acting as though all D1 schools fully fund 11.7 scholarships. Not even close to realistic. Imagine what is going to happen to athletic funding when football stadiums are empty this fall. That is a very real possibility considering how quickly schools pulled the trigger pushing kids out the door at the start of this. They don’t want to be viewed as being a Petrie dish and helping to spread this disease. Frankly, how many of us are going to be chomping at the bit to get into a stadium any time soon?

The NCAA should just focus on the only thing that matters, and that is addressing the eligibility extension of current NCAA players impacted by this year’s NCAA decision to stop competition. The incoming freshmen have not done anything to be impacted, they still have 5 years of eligibility when they hit the door. Yes, the MLB draft decision throws a big wrinkle into things, but that isn’t something that should drive roster size or scholarship changes. Seniors who were on scholarship were not robbed of their final semester of scholarship, they received it. Extending eligibility is going to create a larger pool of players due to the reduced MLB draft and there will be more cuts, but you can’t tell me coaches can’t handle this. They do it every year.

collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:

Heller and the author are acting as though all D1 schools fully fund 11.7 scholarships. Not even close to realistic. Imagine what is going to happen to athletic funding when football stadiums are empty this fall. That is a very real possibility considering how quickly schools pulled the trigger pushing kids out the door at the start of this. They don’t want to be viewed as being a Petrie dish and helping to spread this disease. Frankly, how many of us are going to be chomping at the bit to get into a stadium any time soon?

The NCAA should just focus on the only thing that matters, and that is addressing the eligibility extension of current NCAA players impacted by this year’s NCAA decision to stop competition. The incoming freshmen have not done anything to be impacted, they still have 5 years of eligibility when they hit the door. Yes, the MLB draft decision throws a big wrinkle into things, but that isn’t something that should drive roster size or scholarship changes. Seniors who were on scholarship were not robbed of their final semester of scholarship, they received it. Extending eligibility is going to create a larger pool of players due to the reduced MLB draft and there will be more cuts, but you can’t tell me coaches can’t handle this. They do it every year.

Agreed.

How will The Equity Athlete Disclosure Act (EADA) will impact the decision? 

Note, The Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act (EADA) is designed to make prospective students aware of a school's commitment to providing equitable athletic opportunities for its men and women students.

All spring sports will demand the same:

Baseball does not generate enough revenue.

Vanderbilt's 2019 EADA

Vanderbilt's 10 year Baseball Expense

https://twitter.com/NicoleAuer.../1244754555591688192

hshuler posted:

https://twitter.com/NicoleAuer.../1244754555591688192

This is gonna be a disaster. 

Some will like.  Some will hate.  Schools will figure it out.  Now we debate the inequality it will bring.   

PitchingFan posted:

Some will like.  Some will hate.  Schools will figure it out.  Now we debate the inequality it will bring.   

Sometimes where you stand depends on where you sit. 

When do they decide for D2 and D3?

Opinions will vary based on P5 vs mid-major and by class, but all things considered, this seems like a good compromise. Roster sizes for 2021 will expand by the # of Corona seniors. The 11.7 limit will also increase for 2021  by the amount of scholarships given to Corona seniors, up to the % each senior had in 2020 down to 0%. All 2020 classes given the extra year, which should help the juniors hoping for MLB draft leverage.

So, there are going to be some large rosters in 2021, which means less playing time for a lot of kids, which could lead to more redshirts and transfers. Colleges with strong 2020 senior classes and the financial means to bring them back on scholarship ought to benefit as well. 

I’m pretty sure D2 announced like a week ago. The explanation is on a recent thread here...

Can someone list the steps/things that need to be done?  Does player have to request a waiver, where, do you only request when you want the extra year or do it ASAP, etc?

Thanks in advance

http://www.ncaa.org/about/reso...es-impacted-covid-19
I thought it was important to post a direct link to NCAA. I know things are difficult to find on that website. 

CTbballDad posted:

Can someone list the steps/things that need to be done?  Does player have to request a waiver, where, do you only request when you want the extra year or do it ASAP, etc?

Thanks in advance

Look to your school’s coach and compliance officers for direction.

CTbballDad posted:

Can someone list the steps/things that need to be done?  Does player have to request a waiver, where, do you only request when you want the extra year or do it ASAP, etc?

Thanks in advance

The Council also will allow schools to self-apply a one-year extension of eligibility for spring-sport student-athletes, effectively extending each student’s five-year “clock” by a year. This decision was especially important for student-athletes who had reached the end of their five-year clock in 2020 and saw their seasons end abruptly.

“The Council’s decision gives individual schools the flexibility to make decisions at a campus level,” said Council chair M. Grace Calhoun, athletics director at Penn. “The Board of Governors encouraged conferences and schools to take action in the best interest of student-athletes and their communities, and now schools have the opportunity to do that.”

Solid decision. They did it right in my opinion.

I’m surprised by this. I thought they’d base their decision on what would affect the fewest # of athletes. I’m not sure if this plan does that. 

There will not be any scholarship $ to give to returning seniors. NLIs have been signed by incoming freshmen and JuCo transfers. It will vary from school to school how the corona seniors are treated. Some will be weeded out and some will be welcomed back but I can’t see a situation where corona seniors play on scholarship. Roster sizes will increase but 11.7 won’t. Athletic Departments have already lost revenue due to no March Madness & a full college football season in 2020 is no sure thing either. I don’t see ADs encouraging extra players because it means extra expenses. JMO 

It will depend a lot on the economy.  If it comes back strong and there are plenty of jobs for 2020 grads -- and the offers already tendered are honored -- then I think most corona seniors will join the workforce.  But if there are no jobs, then grad school and another year of baseball becomes an attractive option.  The same thing will apply when the following classes graduate.

JCG posted:

It will depend a lot on the economy.  If it comes back strong and there are plenty of jobs for 2020 grads -- and the offers already tendered are honored -- then I think most corona seniors will join the workforce.  But if there are no jobs, then grad school and another year of baseball becomes an attractive option.  The same thing will apply when the following classes graduate.

Grad school cost $ too. Some undergraduate schools are already predicting decreased enrollment (as much as 20%), due to the virus and changes in economy.