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I didn't say his school program was poorly run or he is getting nothing out of it. Maybe some good old football style coaching will be good for him.
quote:you still seem to need to grow up.
GoMO
thanks for informing me of needing to grow up. I will be cordial and not respond in kind. Have a nice day.
quote:If the 'bad coach'
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GM
Who determines the bad coach? I often wondered that. Do you have to be a certified expert.who anoints these people. Be trained in determining what is good and what is bad. I am always amazed how when you express an opinion some on this board are ready to tell you what is right and what is wrong and everything in between. Yes I am an "old timer" i coached for a long time. evidently today for 'some" you are just written off as somebody who does not know their *** from third base. this is just a general observation after several years and many posts.
One fact seems to be lost here-- coaching 9 year olds is not the same as coaching HS kids or junior and seniors on a travel team.
Also there is another true fact--the kids today are "soft"/"coddled" just by the very nature of life in our country--police have had their authority diminished / teachers have had their authority diminished // parents cannot hit a kid for fear of being taken to jail on a child abuse charge/// The world is different folks--face it
Also there is another true fact--the kids today are "soft"/"coddled" just by the very nature of life in our country--police have had their authority diminished / teachers have had their authority diminished // parents cannot hit a kid for fear of being taken to jail on a child abuse charge/// The world is different folks--face it
TR:
I'm glad you described the kids today as coddled and not the full Molly as in mollycoddled! Whew!
I'm glad you described the kids today as coddled and not the full Molly as in mollycoddled! Whew!
"parents cannot hit a kid for fear of being taken to jail on a child abuse charge"
Ah for the good old days...just today I wanted to hit my kid but remembered I couldn't.
Made me so mad I wanted to kick the dog.
Ah for the good old days...just today I wanted to hit my kid but remembered I couldn't.
Made me so mad I wanted to kick the dog.
Trhit
yes the world is different. Coaching High School baseball is just an extension of what is going on. You say coddled. Having been a teacher for the past 35 years I have seen a drastic change. We have the excuse machine. He or she does not do well because of this or that problem. Cut them a break dont be too demanding.Be careful you dont say anything to hurt their self esteem. You know the other day i read an article written by some educational "expert" that says you should not correct papers in red. It is inflammatory. the sad part about this is that they are serious. so the notion of coaches who as some say are "negative" or "rip" their players is no surprise. as a player myself I could tell you some stories of getting "ripped" . Oh sorry that was back in the dead ball era!!!!
yes the world is different. Coaching High School baseball is just an extension of what is going on. You say coddled. Having been a teacher for the past 35 years I have seen a drastic change. We have the excuse machine. He or she does not do well because of this or that problem. Cut them a break dont be too demanding.Be careful you dont say anything to hurt their self esteem. You know the other day i read an article written by some educational "expert" that says you should not correct papers in red. It is inflammatory. the sad part about this is that they are serious. so the notion of coaches who as some say are "negative" or "rip" their players is no surprise. as a player myself I could tell you some stories of getting "ripped" . Oh sorry that was back in the dead ball era!!!!
Coaches have different styles , different personalities etc. Some are very demanding and push their players very hard. Some are less demanding and do not push players very hard. Some get in players faces and demand excellence and some sit back and softly teach. Some do both depending on the situation and the kid he is dealing with. Alot has to do with the age your coaching and the experience of the players. I for one demand that kids put forth 100% of their effort in what they are doing. I teach , I coach , I listen , and I get in their face when I need to and I hug them when they need a hug. I also send them packing if they dont have a commitment and desire to be the best they can be. I get after kids in practice when they dont hustle or they do not focus. I do not in games because that is not the time. I just sit them if they dont hustle or are not focused. I do believe that you praise a kid when he does it right and you get after him when he does not. If a player in HS can not handle discipline , if he can not handle someone pushing him to be the best he can be then he will not be able to handle the pressure of game situations. He will fold like a lounge chair. There is a difference in getting after a kid and pushing him to focus and get the job done and demeaning a kid for the sake of showing everyone you are the boss. Knowing the difference and when to do it is the key to being a good coach. The players that I have had over the years that were mentally tough and focused were always the best players. Their parents never have had a problem with their kids getting (ripped) when they screwed up. The parents that get upset are the parents of the kids that are (usually) soft and coddled at home. Soft players don't win. Soft players don't play past HS. Soft players don't play in our program. If this post offends anyone then I really don't care. If your son is soft you have no one to blame but yourself. Not the coach. The parents that I have had that actually played the game want the coach to push their kid. They want the coach to demand excellence from their kid. I have read numerous post here about people complaining about coaches that are lazy and do not coach or run off season programs etc etc. Coaches that are negative all the time and do not teach and praise when it is needed will not win. But lets make sure that we do not misconstrue working hard and being demanding with being negative.
TR:
Labeling all kids today as “soft and coddled” is an extreme exaggeration. Yes kids today are given more than when we were kids, only because our parents gave us more than what they had. It is a natural progression of life itself. In particular, my son 14 years old and a freshman told me in the fall that he wanted to quit basketball to concentrate on baseball in the spring. Seeing that he had played basketball since he was 5, I was a little reluctant to give my ok. Let me tell you what this “soft and coddled” kid of today did to get ready for freshman try-outs. Nov-March averaged 600 to 800 swings per week either in the batting cages or soft toss in a dank cellar. Went to two camps in Florida that he helped pay for. Worked on his arm in a old mill in the city that he asked permission to use. Went on a baseball specific weight lifting program “yes that I paid for” all the while kept a 3.4 grade point average. If this is “soft and coddled” I’ll take it any day.
Labeling all kids today as “soft and coddled” is an extreme exaggeration. Yes kids today are given more than when we were kids, only because our parents gave us more than what they had. It is a natural progression of life itself. In particular, my son 14 years old and a freshman told me in the fall that he wanted to quit basketball to concentrate on baseball in the spring. Seeing that he had played basketball since he was 5, I was a little reluctant to give my ok. Let me tell you what this “soft and coddled” kid of today did to get ready for freshman try-outs. Nov-March averaged 600 to 800 swings per week either in the batting cages or soft toss in a dank cellar. Went to two camps in Florida that he helped pay for. Worked on his arm in a old mill in the city that he asked permission to use. Went on a baseball specific weight lifting program “yes that I paid for” all the while kept a 3.4 grade point average. If this is “soft and coddled” I’ll take it any day.
sbbv:
Kinda' reminds you of cheese...the kids these days.
Take Brie for instance...
A world-famous externally-ripened cow's milk cheese that originated in the 13th-century near Paris. It is an easily recognized thin disc covered with a whitish bloom. At its peak, the cheese's interior should be plump and glossy, but not runny or smelling of ammonia, which indicates over-ripeness.
Its flavor is mildly tangy and fruity. Serve Brie with a variety of fruits. Thin slices served on a sandwich with roast beef are quite tasty. Some people enjoy Brie baked in a pastry crust.
Yup...describes our kids all right!
quote:Originally posted by sonsbaseballvalet:
If this is “soft and coddled” I’ll take it any day.
Kinda' reminds you of cheese...the kids these days.
Take Brie for instance...
A world-famous externally-ripened cow's milk cheese that originated in the 13th-century near Paris. It is an easily recognized thin disc covered with a whitish bloom. At its peak, the cheese's interior should be plump and glossy, but not runny or smelling of ammonia, which indicates over-ripeness.
Its flavor is mildly tangy and fruity. Serve Brie with a variety of fruits. Thin slices served on a sandwich with roast beef are quite tasty. Some people enjoy Brie baked in a pastry crust.
Yup...describes our kids all right!
Another case of reading what you want "valet"--where did I say "ALL" ?
Coachric-Very good post!!
I agree with Moc1...excellent post coachric.
You, coachric, are a very good example of a coach that works hard and intelligently.
Always looking to make progress and setting high standards...all the while evaluating the team's needs and satisfying those needs by teaching individual players.
Flexible...no cookie cutter approach.
To be a good, successful coach requires hard work and its obvious you're up to the task.
You, coachric, are a very good example of a coach that works hard and intelligently.
Always looking to make progress and setting high standards...all the while evaluating the team's needs and satisfying those needs by teaching individual players.
Flexible...no cookie cutter approach.
To be a good, successful coach requires hard work and its obvious you're up to the task.