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K KellerDad1,000+ posts
Seems tonights game between Keller and Coppell has been cancelled due to their field not being playable.

Our backup field is McKinney Boyd, anybody from that side of town know how the McKinney fields look?

Me thinks somebody is trying to rest the 8 arms that were thrown last night for another 20 hours.
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Panther DadPanther Dad5,000+ posts
I'm not defending anyone here, one way or the other.....but our guys were preparing to play Allen in our district finale at East last Friday night and a water valve behind the pitcher's mound broke and flooded the field. Several inches of water on the infield -- 3 hours 'til gametime. Fortunately, people jumped to the rescue and, using shop vacs, the game was played -- 30 minutes late. So....stuff happens. Now, the level of effort being extended to make your game happen -- well......I dunno. Smile

Oh, and how does English "give Boyd away"? Every move should be a mutual decision -- or -->

Wow, no end for conspiracy theorists, eh?
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A ACowboyFan100+ posts
After the homefield advantage Keller enjoyed last night I am surprised that you would begrudge Coppell there chance to extend their season by playing at least one game on their home field.

KD, your boy and his friends played well last night and beat Coppell. So get over the delay. The Cowboy Complex sucks when it comes to drainage and the city is responsible for any "watering" that might have occurred today on the field.

Believe me no one on the team wanted to wait another day at the chance of getting the taste of last night out of our mouths.

As for resting any arms, only one guy who pitched last night, Kettler will be used in the rest of the series.
K KellerDad1,000+ posts
MeatsDad, I understand everything that you are saying.....except for these glaring ommissions:

Why wasn't an attempt put forward to try to play tonight? I got the call at 3:15, when it was 85 degrees, sunshine and the wind blowing. Almost a full 4 hours before the first pitch.

Why was the backup field given away without the consultation of the Keller coach?

Rumor on this side of town is that one of your starters missed school today, that have any merit?

And I'm not begrudging the Cowboys the opportunity to play on their home field....but there are rules in place for backup fields for a reason and apparently they were not followed by Coach English.
A ACowboyFan100+ posts
KD,

The scheduled starter for tonight was in school today and eating well, that much I can tell for sure.

Coppell did get more rain than other areas did Wednesday and some yesterday.

If coach gave away the field I am sure he thought is wouldn't be a problem to get tonights game.

As far as getting tonight's game in I wish they tried. Thinking Don English created this situation might be giving him too much credit.

KD, you have a PM.
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LD Line Drive100+ posts
Keller has turf on the football field now but when it was grass, they would go as far as hiring a helicopter to hover over the field on Friday afternoons. You do what it takes to make the field playable. The baseball field is still grass. After all the rain we had, do you think the field was playable yesterday morning? Not a chance. My son said he could not believe how much water they pumped off the field to get it ready for last night. But where there is a will, there is a way. Yesterday Keller had the will to play. Today it looks like Coppell has the will to run for another day…

Don’t you just love playoff baseball? Big Grin
A ACowboyFan100+ posts
Ok Line Drive:

It might be fine for you to question a coaching decision but some how your response casts a bad light on the boys who play the game.

Cowboys don't run from Indians even if they lost one fight, heck even Custer showed up for the Last Stand.

Do you have a boy in this fight or do you like to stir up trouble?

When the fighting starts regardless of what field it is I am sure these Cowboys won't run!!!!!!!!!!!!

So take your comments and take the next TRAIN out of Dodge!!!!
LD Line Drive100+ posts
Relax; I’m just having a little fun and I didn’t point toward the players. I’m sure the Coppell kids wanted to play and since they don’t make the decisions they get a free pass on any blame. However, you have to admit somebody made a decision that looks somewhat questionable now…

I know the Coppell ballplayers don’t run from a fight. I’ve been at the Wagon Wheel field by the water tower when the cops had to be called to a game to separate the teams. It’s ancient history now but I am well aware that both Keller and Coppell play for keeps.

By the way, you get extra points for style on the Custer and TRAIN comments. That is funny stuff.
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JAFOJAFO100+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Panther Dad:
I'm not defending anyone here, one way or the other.....but our guys were preparing to play Allen in our district finale at East last Friday night and a water valve behind the pitcher's mound broke and flooded the field. Several inches of water on the infield -- 3 hours 'til gametime. Fortunately, people jumped to the rescue and, using shop vacs, the game was played -- 30 minutes late. So....stuff happens. Now, the level of effort being extended to make your game happen -- well......I dunno. Smile

Oh, and how does English "give Boyd away"? Every move should be a mutual decision -- or -->

Wow, no end for conspiracy theorists, eh?


PD,

Mysterious water happenings last night? Good thing your "people" got things squared away quickly. After looking at the result however I would have opted for the Coppell way out....."Play it tomorrow"

Anyway tough luck on the playoffs, but congrats on a winning season.
A ACowboyFan100+ posts
Ok, renting a helicopter wasn't going to happen.

The field was so wet that 10 men and 10 wet-vacs wouldn't have made a difference.

The entire outfield is still soaked today, I don't think there is any more standing water but the whole outfield is still a marsh.

We have been talking about re-doing the entire outfield...it is that bad that we would spend a lot of money to fix it.

Here is the kicker as they say, my 4 year old's s****r game was cancelled today because of a wet field.

Coppell did get 5 inches of rain Wednesday.

Guess what....it is raining in Coppell right now.

I hope the coaches have lined up a different alternate site just in case.

KD, I have to coach my 6 yr's T-Ball game at 3 pm so I won't get there until 4:15. I'll look you up when I get there.
K KellerDad1,000+ posts
Here's the way I look at it now after a night to reflect.

The Coppell Coaches made a decision for whatever reason....and I have pictures taken of thier field at 7:20pm on my way to Lewisville that doesn't seem to back up their decision. Ya know, a picture is worth a 1000 words.

But, thier decision allowed me to travel to Lewisville and watch my #2 son play his final HS Baseball game, which I would not have been able to do had the game not been cancelled. A night I'll remember the rest of my life.

As I type this, it's raining in Keller........and the games have been pushed back to 3:00pm.


Maybe what Swingdoc predicted might come back to haunt Coach English.
A ACowboyFan100+ posts
Now it seems Coppell will play Keller at Hebron at 4pm. I guess it didn't rain as hard in Carrollton as it did here.

KD,

Even quick-sand can look like solid land in a picture.

Did you walk on the field?

Have any of you athletes ever went to step on a ball field an sank in 3 inches?

It looked dry or else you wouldn't have stepped on the field.

Looks can be deceiving.
L L.A.100+ posts
Cool your jets and your conspiracy theory there KD. There is no "grassy knoll" in Coppell. Meatsdad is right on about the rain. It poured as the team was on their way to Keller. The outfield is a sponge and has absolutely no drainage. They are tearing it up after this summer. As for your rumor concerning Coach English giving away Boyd, you'd better check your sources before spreading stuff like that around. MISD gave the field to another playoff series when it appeared that the Keller/Coppell series would get in as scheduled. Coach English did not give the field away as you "heard".
B blackhawk3210+ posts
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MeatsDad:
Have any of you athletes ever went to step on a ball field an sank in 3 inches?
QUOTE]

To be completely honest, yes. But, in your defense and i'm am not going on either side here, I would never recommend or wish that upon any centerfielder. Smile

My reference is to the first time we played Irving at Irving on a Saturday after a rain-out the night before. It was a pool stretching from left center to right center, maybe even a little more than 3 inches in some areas. Needless to say I had to wash my cleats as they were soaked not-so-good-smelling rain water and my left foot was wet up to my ankles. We lost 10-0 so I can't forget that one Smile
A ACowboy10+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by L.A.:
Cool your jets and your conspiracy theory there KD. There is no "grassy knoll" in Coppell. Meatsdad is right on about the rain. It poured as the team was on their way to Keller. The outfield is a sponge and has absolutely no drainage.


KD;
LA and MD are right about the field conditions. The rain the other night was varied and Coppell really got hit hard by winds (lots of trees down) and one of the highes rain amounts in the Metroplex. The field was almost saucy and it was misting in Coppell all Saturday morning. Hebron had a tarp on their field and didn't have near the rain. As for the helicopters, all I know is I ain't paying for them.
C CRuggMember
Hello all, I have responded in the past, but had to log in once again as a new member since I had not sent a response in such a long time.

I find the dialogue better than most of my soap operas during the day, so I have only read and laughed in the past.

I was also a neutral observer at the Keller game, and it is very interesting with what creative dialogue was taking place. Again, my two boys are long gone from Carrollton, and I have no bias to one team or another.

First of all, the umpiring was as bad as it gets, for both sides. The first game ended with a strike being called on Keller where the pitch was at shoulder height. The batter was so upset that the helmet, bat, etc. came off and was flung to the ground. The bunt at the plate was reviewed by a Keller mom to show that the catcher was not only off the plate, voiding the force play, but the catcher also missed the tag. Ask for the Keller video to confirm. An umpire standing in right field changed the call from the home plate umpire who was two feet from the play.

I also went to the Coppell field that evening to view the game on Friday, but I'm wondering how KD took a picture when the complex was locked and the front was soaked! I hope that you did not muddy your shoes for the sake of a photo of marsh land.

The reason that I had to respond is this, I have never in 30 years of organized baseball with my boys, have I witnessed the poor sportsmanship on display at this game.

Yes, banter was going both ways with some of the Keller fans mimmicking the Coppell bunch and the Coppell bunch questioning some questionable calls. What took this to an unacceptable level were a few of the parents from Keller yelling to hear or see an injury to CG's arm. This went on and continued to stoop to an all time low by the Keller parents. I don't know who KD is, but I sure hope that you weren't one of the classless dads yelling this.

I remeber KD reveling some type of shoving incident with the Keller players and another team early in the year in some parking lot after the game. This wasn't their fault either, as I forgot what justified their actions.

Why not play and act around the game as it was intended. I was very embarrased by the display of the adults with their venting to innocent kids.

Just horrible!
collikarcollikar1,000+ posts
CRugg,

I hate the impression you were left with about Keller. I've known Coach Stramp for many years and that isn't the impression he would want to leave with anyone. I understand the negative impact one or two can make on a program. Hopefully, the parents will also grow from the incident.

I've witnessed first hand the poor sportsmanship by one female fan at Coppell. But I've also watched the Coppell boys be respectful, polite young men on more then one occasion.

Hopefully, everyone can learn to, "...play and act around the game as it was intended."
K KellerDad1,000+ posts
The kids in question were Freshman, they tend to get a little wild at times, as did your fans.

I was way over by the dugout and heard about the ruckus but missed it. I made it as far as Bill and Karen DalaShappell to say hi a couple of times.

MeatsDad, your son pitched a heck of a game. Wish we could have capitolized on some base runners, but that's baseball.

And as far as the umpires, yes they were horrible. For both sides. They should be ashamed of themselves, and the play I home I agree with the Coppell side.

Worst year for officiating I have ever seen.

To give you an example, the Lewisville and Southlake Coaches both banded together and asked that a certain umpire not return. They paid him for not showing up and played the game with a 2 man crew.
JAFOJAFO100+ posts
Meat,



Felt you pain last year, with a team that did not return to the playoffs this year.

It's rough when injury or the wish of injury is involved. It fired me up last year, however I have learned from my mistakes and try to take the hard turn of the other cheek. We get wiser as we get older. Just some faster than others.

It is easy to look at hindsight, however at the time it is an unbelievable revelation. The thing that bitters me is the "adults" condoning such actions. And they do it blindly to no end. Good luck.
I ironhorse5,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by KellerDad:
...but there are rules in place for backup fields for a reason and apparently they were not followed by Coach English.

I'm still really curious about these mysterious rules. If you were wrong in bashing Coach English over rules that don't exist, at least admit you were wrong. Or explain to me the rules. Either one.
swingdoctor14swingdoctor14500+ posts
PD ~ This is for you,
When opposing coaches meet they get all the details settled either by agreement or a flip of a coin. They should, (but it is not required) get backup plans in case it rains on any of the days involved in the playoff round. Getting an alternate site for worst case scenario is an option but not required. Bottom line is only those who were at the meeting know the truth about any backup plan involving Coppell and Keller.
That's the two head coaches and anyone they brought with them. And Yes ~ Plan B's get trashed sometimes when a nuetral field accepts another series to avoid being left empty all weekend. There's money to be made out of those concession stands. When that happens, neither of those schools who got stood up will ever be back there to play. JMO
C cutter1100+ posts
Hey Meatsdad

Nice Post about the game at Coppell, but possibly because of all the noise and playoff tension your facts are not truly accurate. Unfortunately; I had to sit near the Keller kids and watched the incident. First of all the Coppell fans where on the Third Base side and the Keller kids were in the middle secton on the 3rd base side - not the right field side.

While they were loud, there were being kids - I never heard them say anything about a pither's arm pop, or add profanity - but to your defense; maybe I tuned them out. What I did see was some Coppell parent yelling at the kids, rather than being an adult and walking over and talking to them - again - dont know who it was a dont care.

Bottom line is that WE ADULTS; need to set examples for the kids. Both sides of parents need to learn something for this. I think what might have added to the problem was when Coppell parents immediately started clapping after a Keller kid was hit by a pitch. He was on his knees the plate and it seem to excite some fans.

Both teams had a heck of a Double Header and it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if that ball had been caught by Keller. Great kids, Great baseball.

Good Luck to Coppell - I hope you go all the way
J jesuitbaseball100+ posts
ok heres my view on this subject:

I dont agree at all with the fans, but most of these kids havnt played baseball since they were 6 or 7, and frankly dont like the sport.

these kids are going to the games because there friends are in the playoffs and they want to have something to cheer for, baseball is put on the backburner until all sports are done (at least at Jesuit)

these kids dont understand the logistics of baseball and therefore are reduced to this offensive heckling..

imo
collikarcollikar1,000+ posts
Well, let me see if I have this right.
The party of the first part is discontent over the party of the second part's actions.
The party of the second part has admitted said role in alleged dealings.
The party of the first part has alluded to conspiring to manipulate opponent’s mental and physical limitations through what is deemed inappropriate verbiage.
Meanwhile, the party of the second part is remorseful for actions of cerebral flatulation.
Wherein therefore, all parties are unsympathetic to the plight of all other party's parts.

By Jove, I think I've got it...the rain in Coppell stays mainly on the field. Big Grin
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A ACowboyFan100+ posts
Raining again....I wonder if all this rain is Coach English's fault.

As for whatever other sub-topic I had commented on in this thread, I deleted my comments.

If cutter1 and STD3 want to continue that's fine.

Please post the video....or we could just talk about the weather some more....or we could talk about baseball.

But wait, Keller has to wait until next year to talk about baseball while at least the Coppell faithful still have baseball to talk about at least for this week....maybe longer if Coach English keeps making it rain.

The only video our fans shot during the game was of the play at the plate. The catcher wasn't on the plate and he didn't make the tag in time, the player was safe. The orginal call should have stood and the run should counted. Excellent two strike bunt and great jump by the player on third. I will admit the play by the third baseman was almost as good, incrediable play dropping to his knees and sliding. Did he barehand the ball to toss it to the catcher? Now that play would be worth posting on Utube.

I do think it is telling that Keller fans video the crowd and Coppell fans video the game.
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collikarcollikar1,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
quote:
Originally posted by Line Drive:


Ken, you may have been on to something for a long time.


fixed it for you. Wink


...onto....
And now I've fixed it. Big Grin

LineDrive - Shhh, the sweet angels I taught would never behave in such a manner. Their parents; however, are a different story.
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JAFOJAFO100+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by strandedon3rd:
I think MeatsDad's memory must be clouded by his rage towards some kids. One Keller parent has most of your exchange with the kids and with an adult who had stood up and told you to get over it on video maybe it should end up on utube and then we can let everyone form their own opinions of the truth.


YouTube,YouTube,YouTube,YouTube
tychcotychco1,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by FormerObserver:
T-Bird, you are an amazing man.

As they say about the little old lady at FBC, with cerebral flatulation........

Bless her heart.


FO,

With a 16 YO son, an 11 YO son, a 5 YO male (although he is fixed) dog and MAYBE a 45 YO husband (may be fixed if he keeps posting), she has become an expert at flatulence. Eek

Bless her heart! Cool
C cutter1100+ posts
Meats

Glad you deleteted your comments since they were not accurate. Had Keller filmed the crowd it would have shown some un-Christian actions. Hope it was not you.

Strange how the home plate ump forgot the intentional walk and called the player safe because he was not tagged - but with bases loaded he was out as it was a force at home plate. Get over it - you won the game, even if it was on an error.

Be a man and move on - Keller is out and Coppell is in.

Like I said - the kids did play great baseball and good luck to Coppell.

Maybe the parents can learn to act like adults in future events
T TxHSbaseballfan1110+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by cutter1:
Meats

Glad you deleteted your comments since they were not accurate. Had Keller filmed the crowd it would have shown some un-Christian actions. Hope it was not you.

Get over it - you won the game, even if it was on an error.

Be a man and move on - Keller is out and Coppell is in.

Maybe the parents can learn to act like adults in future events


I am going to have to be with MeatsDad on this one. He apologized and now your getting all on his case. To me it sounds like your just a bitter keller parent mad that their son is out of the playoffs. I was at the last game of the series watching Mr. Green pitch for a little and I heard kids yelling stuff about his arm popping.

I shouldn't even have gotten into this but I felt that someone needed to say something to your post.
Sorry thats all I have to say about that. Smile
U UpnIn100+ posts
Kids will be kids....in 2004, Grapevine kids (fans) were mocking PK of FM (due to an injury sustained the previous fall) and he proceeded to "go yard" and smiled at the appreciative fans as he crossed home. A good friend of mine said "riding the ump or coach is ok but never, never is it acceptable....AS AN ADULT....to mock, argue, ridicule or ride a kid!"
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T tcwatt10+ posts
OK-guess what-I was there too. My wife and I sat between the bleachers behind home plate and the first base line.
The main problem was the JV kids. They were saying things throughout the entire game that were totally out of line. Not just with Cole--everything-they were giving Keller a really bad name.
You could have cut the tension with a knife. Meatsdad was really only trying to offset what was coming from these kids. I did not hear what he said because I was so focused on the game. I did see the Keller parent, who was sitting right next to these kids, stand up and scream "shut up". Gee whiz-it was the start of the second game and we were up 2-0 and Green was pitching. I am sure he just cracked.
Anyway, Meatsdad went back to his spot by the dugout and the parental thing was over as far as I could tell. I can tel you for a fact that Meatsdad is nothing but class. However, the kids kept it up. I can tell you this. If our kids were doing this I would have shut them up. It was really bad.
Ok, umps. The guy who called the game behind the plate Thursday and did first base was ridiculous. Both ways!! Now, the balk was not a balk. Come on-Cole has been pitching for 10 years-I think he knows what a balk is. The kid was safe at home because the catcher tried to block the plate instead of tagging the force. No way the guy umping first makes that call. I think Keller got hosed on some calls too (the last strike call in the first game was inexcusable).
Bottom line, Keller has one heck of a ballclub. Good hitters, well coached and as far as I could tell they made like 1 error in the whole series. It's a shame these 2 met in the first round.

PS-want to talk about umpiring? First, I have done it and it's not easy-every parent should have to call a couple of games to get the feel--but-get this--Cameron got beaned in the 6th inning. The umpire said he did not make an attempt to get out of the way. Well, based on everything else that happened and the close game I was ticked. He walked anyway, but after the game, My wife asked him about it. He said, "Heck yeah I leaned into it-it was a good call"---You never know!
Let's bury this thread and go on. Thanks
Panther DadPanther Dad5,000+ posts
Concerning Cam and the practice of learning how to be hit by a pitch....

The kids know what they're doing -- they know how to get hit -- and they know that reaching base in that way may help their team. Most know that there is a chance that the ump will not allow it. They're ok with it -- we should be too.

My oldest son was reprimanded once for "wearing" one -- by his coach! who wanted him to hit in that situation. He was just trying to keep an inning going. *shrug*

We will not reach 100% agreement on the series of events from last weekend....or this weekend....or next....ok, you get my point. I agree that we should move on. There is no shame in losing to Coppell -- or Keller for that matter.
T tcwatt10+ posts
The main reason I told the story about Cameron was to acknowledge (mainly to me) that there is so much going on during the games that we as fans "assume". I am probably the worst with this. I have known this kid for like 18 years and never knew he was taught to look for this opportunity. Man, when I was playing I would never take a hit. Too much of a wimp! Not surprised though. I have had several of the boy's high school coaches comment that Trey and Cameron know the "game" better than they do. That comes directly from Tommy and Linty. Money well spent.

I worried about my post on the Keller game. I was just frustrated by the banter from both sides when there was a pretty darn good game going on. I never thought we could beat Keller twice. Again, a shame they had to meet in the first round. (one other tidbit of stress-our big end of the year Banquet was Sunday night-If we lose a game or we get rained out that banquet is a funeral instead of a party-guess who was in charge of the banquet?--yep--Rene--so imagine what my Saturday was like??!! haha)
A ACowboyFan100+ posts
[our big end of the year Banquet was Sunday night-If we lose a game or we get rained out that banquet is a funeral instead of a party-guess who was in charge of the banquet?--yep--Rene--so imagine what my Saturday was like??!! haha)[/QUOTE]

Speaking of Ha Ha, have you thanked him twice!!!!

or maybe that would be three times after last night!!!
LD Line Drive100+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by collikar:
quote:
Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
quote:
Sort of Originally posted by Line Drive:


Ken, you may have been on to something for a long time.


fixed it for you. Wink


...onto....
And now I've fixed it. Big Grin

LineDrive - Shhh, the sweet angels I taught would never behave in such a manner. Their parents; however, are a different story.


Ken, you might be correct again. It’s just that some days you paint with a pretty broad brush and I’m not sure everyone in your line of fire should be there. But this isn’t one of those days.

Collikar, you may find alot (sic Big Grin ) more errors like that if I keep posting at 1:30 in the morning.

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