I heard a rumor that Perfect Game has pulled out of LakePoint. Anyone heard this news?
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If your information goes back to June Lakepoint has filed Chapter 11/ reorganization. Lakepoint will still be there next year. If PG has a lease chances are they will be there unless there’s a legal reason for termination. As a corporate sponsor who invested a lot of money on the development its in PG’s best interest to stay.
No. This is new. I heard that PG didn't renew their lease. I went to PG website and can't find any events at Lakepoint after Oct 2018, nothing for 2019
I just don’t think they have posted the 2019 schedule yet.
atlnon posted:I heard a rumor that Perfect Game has pulled out of LakePoint. Anyone heard this news?
It makes no sense for them to leave Lakepoint. There aren't many places nationally that can support a 300+ team tournament.
CaCO3Girl posted:atlnon posted:I heard a rumor that Perfect Game has pulled out of LakePoint. Anyone heard this news?
It makes no sense for them to leave Lakepoint. There aren't many places nationally that can support a 300+ team tournament.
Including LakePoint, which really is only 8 fields. The concept of 300+ team tournaments is stupid. What's the point in having that many teams in one tournament? To provide a platform for players? Those tournaments have over 7,000 players at them each week, and schools are going to recruit based on lists they likely have already formed. The chances of being noticed if you aren't already communicating with them is like finding a needle in a haystack. A tournament that size is...well... stupid IMO
GaryMe posted:CaCO3Girl posted:atlnon posted:I heard a rumor that Perfect Game has pulled out of LakePoint. Anyone heard this news?
It makes no sense for them to leave Lakepoint. There aren't many places nationally that can support a 300+ team tournament.
Including LakePoint, which really is only 8 fields. The concept of 300+ team tournaments is stupid. What's the point in having that many teams in one tournament? To provide a platform for players? Those tournaments have over 7,000 players at them each week, and schools are going to recruit based on lists they likely have already formed. The chances of being noticed if you aren't already communicating with them is like finding a needle in a haystack. A tournament that size is...well... stupid IMO
There aren't that many 300+ team tourneys, but several 100+ team tourneys. Yes, Lakepoint is 8 fields (TURF FIELDS that you can play on rain or shine), with 50+ high schools within an hour of it and enough hotels to supper 1000 teams.
Personally, I like going to the PG games because the competition is better. While there is the occasional crazy team that can't field a ball, usually the teams coming in are pretty good, and MUCH better than the local teams that are formed to play in triple crown things.
GaryMe posted:CaCO3Girl posted:atlnon posted:I heard a rumor that Perfect Game has pulled out of LakePoint. Anyone heard this news?
It makes no sense for them to leave Lakepoint. There aren't many places nationally that can support a 300+ team tournament.
Including LakePoint, which really is only 8 fields. The concept of 300+ team tournaments is stupid. What's the point in having that many teams in one tournament? To provide a platform for players? Those tournaments have over 7,000 players at them each week, and schools are going to recruit based on lists they likely have already formed. The chances of being noticed if you aren't already communicating with them is like finding a needle in a haystack. A tournament that size is...well... stupid IMO
I know, how can you possibly be seen ... 
Kidding... I get your point. But it's not ALL bad.
“Perfect Game agreed, at an undisclosed price, to a 20-year lease at that baseball complex.”
https://www.news-press.com/sto...s-millions/85920274/
it is possible Chapter 11 affects the lease.
cabbagedad posted:GaryMe posted:CaCO3Girl posted:atlnon posted:I heard a rumor that Perfect Game has pulled out of LakePoint. Anyone heard this news?
It makes no sense for them to leave Lakepoint. There aren't many places nationally that can support a 300+ team tournament.
Including LakePoint, which really is only 8 fields. The concept of 300+ team tournaments is stupid. What's the point in having that many teams in one tournament? To provide a platform for players? Those tournaments have over 7,000 players at them each week, and schools are going to recruit based on lists they likely have already formed. The chances of being noticed if you aren't already communicating with them is like finding a needle in a haystack. A tournament that size is...well... stupid IMO
I know, how can you possibly be seen ...
You are being disingenuous, CabbageDad. That is a photo from Jupiter, not a lakepoint event. The tournament is played on a much smaller scale and held at the Roger Dean complex. Much easier to consolidate the “watchers” when the players are in one fish bowl. That is likely why you see so many in the photo. Btw, 88 teams at this week’s event, not nearly the size of a WWBA 17u, 16U, 15U...which annually draw 300+ teams.
I recall son throwing against EvoSheild on that field with that kind of crowd....there to see EvoSheild players and Soroka.
Yes, Gary, as I said, was kidding and largely agree with your point. Just used the image as comic relief and a general visual that scouts do attend the better, bigger tourneys. I wasn't after historical accuracy. Again, I understand the challenges when facilities are spread out all over, away from the primary complex.
BTW, didn't we play together on that prison team?
cabbagedad posted:Yes, Gary, as I said, was kidding and largely agree with your point. Just used the image as comic relief and a general visual that scouts do attend the better, bigger tourneys. I wasn't after historical accuracy. Again, I understand the challenges when facilities are spread out all over, away from the primary complex.
BTW, didn't we play together on that prison team?
Yeah, we DH'd for your sorry butt
Good to know that the rumors aren't true. I love LakePoint and looking forward to the next several years of watching my son play there.
atlnon posted:Good to know that the rumors aren't true. I love LakePoint and looking forward to the next several years of watching my son play there.
He will play few games there, and honestly...it's just a ballpark with a snack bar, etc...and you will pay parking and entrance fee for the honor of seeing him play. Have fun...just another way PG and LakePoint are helping families realize the dream of playing at the next level.
Won't see this picture this year. They banned the golf carts from behind the fences. They can ride from field to field but cannot drive them in between fields like they used to, at least that was the word at Cardinals section. They had big gates up to make sure golf carts did not get into the area behind home plate. It was kinda disappointing but did not affect anything. At one point there were 51 pro scouts and over 20 college scouts watching sons game yesterday.
Was never a fan of that place or the WWBA tournaments that we did there for 3 years..glad we are done with it..always felt that southern players were favored by recruiters over the northern boys..that kind of bias is still alive and well with southern school no matter what anyone says..the numbers prove it too..just look at the rosters.
all schools favor kids closer to them...it's everywhere, and most people know schools recruit regionally.
Not true..the south has an inherent bias..it's political to this day.
CatcherDadNY posted:Not true..the south has an inherent bias..it's political to this day.
Pay 25K for an out of stater, pay 7K for an in stater.
no brainer
Even if the costs were the same the southern schools will still massively recruit southern players...If you don't think there is still a north/south issue on the part of southern schools then I beg to differ...it's real to this day..especially in the state schools in all sports.
well, I guess you don't need to worry about those southerner's creeping up into your neck of the woods to steal away those prime spots in the snow...ever think that perhaps the southern kids are wanting to stay close to home?
CaCO3Girl posted:CatcherDadNY posted:Not true..the south has an inherent bias..it's political to this day.
Pay 25K for an out of stater, pay 7K for an in stater.
no brainer
IMO, with baseball it's kind of the opposite. Schools don't "pay" more for out-of-state kids. They aren't paying the OOS student $25K, they're giving him a credit of $25K towards an "inflated" OOS tuition. The school incurs the same classroom expenses for in-state and out-of-state students. With so many partial scholarships, you could make the case that they're losing revenue by recruiting in-state, since most baseball players will have to pay a significant portion of their OOS tuition and fees.
CatcherDadNY posted:Even if the costs were the same the southern schools will still massively recruit southern players...If you don't think there is still a north/south issue on the part of southern schools then I beg to differ...it's real to this day..especially in the state schools in all sports.
I think most schools tend to focus their recruiting on their local region (HA being the glaring exception). Look at CA, Midwest, Northeast rosters. Some exceptions, but most kids are in-state or from nearby states. I think it's mostly about getting eyes on the kids as many times as possible, and also about the fear of kids who are a long way from home getting homesick and/or leaving.
Well stated Mid Atlantic Dad..furthermore I had a recent conversation with a coach from a southern school who told me they are under political pressure to recruit southern players..he had no reason to lie to me and I thanked him for his honesty..we moved on.
CatcherDadNY posted:Well stated Mid Atlantic Dad..furthermore I had a recent conversation with a coach from a southern school who told me they are under political pressure to recruit southern players..he had no reason to lie to me and I thanked him for his honesty..we moved on.
I can understand that. In-state kids' parents are paying taxes that help support those schools.
and if you are wanting to draw any kind of a crowd to the games, who would they rather come see play? Local kids, ok course.
Rhode Island HS outfielder attends an non-PG Showcase/Tourney at UCF with a 17u team from Tampa; gets recruited by one of the Top SEC teams; goes to Ohmaha 2x; Not recruited by any Regional Teams.
Hint: NE players who want to be seen by southern schools MUST Join Good Southern Teams. They play in more events in their region.
That’s where the eyes are.
Bottom Line: players Must Be Seen.
I don’t want to hear about money and travel, because your already sipping the tea.
Hot beds, like Texas, Fla, Ga, Ala...imo (and experience), didn't need to go much beyond their borders to find talent. When son was recruited, it was primarily schools in our (large) backyard (Tx, Okla, Ark, Ala, Ga)...don't think it was politics...it was/is talent & budget concerns...Many of the HC & RC's have followed or seen these kids frequently over the years...and have relationships with HS coaches, AD's etc.
CatcherDadNY posted:Even if the costs were the same the southern schools will still massively recruit southern players...If you don't think there is still a north/south issue on the part of southern schools then I beg to differ...it's real to this day..especially in the state schools in all sports.
All things equal (talent) any program anywhere will recruit the local/regional kid. Aside from cost and fan appeal there’s less risk if the player getting homesick and leaving.
Vanderbilt recruits plenty of northeast players. The year they won the CWS their ace, #2, closer and cleanup hitter were all from Massachusetts.
High Academic Schools with a 70k tab are outliers for this discussion.
plus Corbin gets the best of the best of the best.
its critical that families know the real talent level of their son. It save a lot of time in the process.
Be careful when using Vanderbilt for purposes of illustrating a southern school that recruits northern ballplayers...they are national power that casts a wide net by design..some of you folks are in denial in regards to how deep southern bias is against the north in all manner of things even in this day and age..
CatcherDadNY posted:Be careful when using Vanderbilt for purposes of illustrating a southern school that recruits northern ballplayers...they are national power that casts a wide net by design..some of you folks are in denial in regards to how deep southern bias is against the north in all manner of things even in this day and age..
I live in GA....I don’t see it. Especially since most people that live here are from the north...or at least it seems that way 🤣
We’re talking about coaches with six figure incomes they protect by winning. I don’t believe they care where players come from as long as they are the most talented and fit in the budget athletically and academically.
Also, most of the southern states have academic assistance programs where a kid goes to college tuition free if he maintains a B average in high school. Talk about saving money recruiting in state kids! Talk about having athletic money to divide up without having to provide support for tuition!
It’s about recruiting locally (most colleges do for the most part), local players the local fans can relate to, players less likely to be so far from home they get homesick and finances. It’s not about the Civil War.
There are plenty of places in the South now if you go back three generations you find a northerner.
CatcherDadNY posted:Was never a fan of that place or the WWBA tournaments that we did there for 3 years..glad we are done with it..always felt that southern players were favored by recruiters over the northern boys..that kind of bias is still alive and well with southern school no matter what anyone says..the numbers prove it too..just look at the rosters.
Or there is no bias and southern players are better
How many kids get drafted from Georgia, FL, TX? How many get drafted from NJ, NY, PA? Most players taken in the MLB draft are from Southern Cal. Is there a bias in the MLB draft? The top kids from the north can compete with the top kids from the south, we've all seen it. But I can confidently say that there are more quality players in the southern states than the northern states. I'm sure the average hs game in Georgia is going to look a lot different than the average game in Delaware.
PABaseball posted:CatcherDadNY posted:Was never a fan of that place or the WWBA tournaments that we did there for 3 years..glad we are done with it..always felt that southern players were favored by recruiters over the northern boys..that kind of bias is still alive and well with southern school no matter what anyone says..the numbers prove it too..just look at the rosters.
Or there is no bias and southern players are better
How many kids get drafted from Georgia, FL, TX? How many get drafted from NJ, NY, PA? Most players taken in the MLB draft are from Southern Cal. Is there a bias in the MLB draft? The top kids from the north can compete with the top kids from the south, we've all seen it. But I can confidently say that there are more quality players in the southern states than the northern states. I'm sure the average hs game in Georgia is going to look a lot different than the average game in Delaware.
Props to Illinois.
Make sense to me, what with the War of Northern Agression and all..... lol
It's similar to the bias in hockey in favor of Canadians, Minnesotans, and Michiganders.
I think it's a little of both. No doubt the climate leads to generally better baseball down south. But with indoor facilities the gap has narrowed considerably yet the scouts still will favor the south. Killing more birds with one stone. I was not at all in awe of the southern teams at the WWBA. Our good teams from Wisconsin (which we were not one) acquitted themselves very well. Even us who sucked were competitive in all but one game.
As for the price difference I believe Caco mentioned that higher amount for out of state while yes is a credit it is held against the baseball budget. So yes 50% to a Northern player costs the budget more than 50% for a southern player.
Still a lot of scouts at the WWBA but to answer the north -south debate, I MO Coaches do not care they are paid to win! My son plays on a team from The one kid going to Purdue, 3 going to Xavier didn't seem to matter where they were from!
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