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My take. Coach made a stupid comment but shouldn't we take his actions not his words as his credo? Has he demonstrated fairness consistently to all his players regardless of their Race, religion etc. during his tenure? Who is casting the stone? We have all made comments we regret. If we are going to clear out the racists then shouldn't West Virginia dismiss their former KKK Senator? I am an American with asian heritage. I was raised in the deep south of Alabama. I've seen racism during my time. We have become a society of hardasses where when a person makes a comment, they will pay and pay dearly for for being stupid and human. Have you ever said anything to someone that you really didn't believe but said it because you knew it would hurt them? Do you think you should pay with your career if it were to happen again or hope that you could demonstrate that you made a mistake and are willing to change?

Callaway. Slavery was only one issue of the civil war. The Confederate flag means separation for some but it stands for southern ways to me. We are slowly losing alot of the good things that the south used to represent. You cannot know how some feel becuase you haven't lived it and being southern is a way of life. Ask any native Texan about what I'm talking about. The south had alot of wrong and we shouldn't forget that but it also had alot of good.
Enough is enough. To some anything you say and anything that happens somehow a racial spin will be put on it. There are those in this country that have made that an art form. and this is unfortunate. Being called a racist today is becoming common. should he have used the word no. Why because it is offensive. Suppose he had called somebody of Irish Italian Polish the derogotary words that some use. Yes he would be just as wrong. Would there be such an uproar? In a perfect world yes. But we do not live in a perfect world and some feed on others imperfections and weaknesses. I do not know the coach but I believe he would take everything back. this country is obsessed with race. Until we of all races religions can move on we will be stuck on this.

We have a term using the "race card".
cvsting,

Please explain yourself.

I believe that the single most thing that's holding this country back on the race issue is that we can’t freely discuss it.

In this case it is related to baseball and should be free to discuss. If you have a problem with someone's post on legitimate grounds, then do your thing.

If this issue were closed like you've already tried to do, we would not have had an opportunity to be exposed to Catfish's classic post as well as other's thoughtful responses.

PS: jemaz you beat me to the punch. Well said!
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this is one of the more enlightening discussions I have ever seen on the hsbaseball web. It has been remarkably civil and enlightening with important views from many aspects of the issue.



I thought it was(is) an interesting conversation, but I'm not sure I agree on Civil.

I was just trying to lighten things up a bit.
Florida Baseball Guy, You said....
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But just because the people in West Virginia are ignorant.

Bob, being born and raised in West Virginia I have to ask you, do you really feel the people in West Virginia are ignorant or was it just a slip of your tounge?..or...could it be by some stretch of one's imagination that you consider residents of West Virginia a separate race and if so would your remarks be considered racist? While I may not be as educated as you, I don’t consider myself ignorant. Therefore your opinion of my relatives has no affect on me but never the less, you did make those inflammatory, politically incorrect, remarks and you should be held accountable. Maybe you should be fired from the HSBBW? Big Grin
Fungo
TRBooty,

WOW!!! That probably doesn’t deserve a response.

But!!!!

I’ve been involved in baseball most of my life. I’ve coached players of nearly every background, race, religion, etc. As a scout I turned in reports on players of nearly all, backgrounds, nationalities, etc.

There are no character traits that are exclusive to any group of people. I have seen as many white lazy players as I’ve seen black. Actually I’ve seen many more lazy white players simply because there are more white players! In fact, the one group that might be the least lazy (as a whole) on a baseball field are the Latin players. Maybe that’s why there are so many of them in the Big Leagues. I think it has more to do with their environment than anything else.

Good, Bad and Ugly come in all kinds of people from all parts of the world. And so does laziness!

Your comment falls in the “UGLY’ category!
PG Staff,

I was going to just ignor TRBooty, but after your response I felt I had to put my two cents. First of all, I agree with your statement 100 percent.

I absolutely cannot deal with racist individuals. I hate racist words and will not stick around when they are being uttered.

We had a player and parent a few years ago who were country folk. The dad used the "N" word as a verb, noun, adjective, etc. When I finally asked him to stop using that word because I found it very offensive he was shocked. He reminded me that I was white, but tried not to use that language around me or the players.

The thing is that I do not think he is prejudice because he hates African-Americans. It was his way of life for so many generations that he just considers them second class citizens. He just doesn't know any better.

As for TRBooty, I sure hope that he gets banned from this site soon so people like TRHit, PGStaff, Moc1, etc can continue this very interesting discussion.

As far as seeing players by color, any scout who did that would not be a scout very long. PG rates all the juniors in the country and they never mention race in their reports. Why? Because race does not matter in baseball. PG rates you on how you play the 5-tools and not what race or color the player is. If any organization rated players based on race or color then that group would be out of business very quikcly.
Fungo-I, like you was raised in West Virginia, and would have been born there if my Dad hadn't been attending college at Wake Forest at the time. Most of my relatives live there and
plenty of old friends are there as well. I personally was not offended at FBBGUY's statement
about the people. He can speak for himself but I don't believe he meant the people of WVa are
ignorant. Robert Byrd, through the years, has done a lot of good for the state and has helped
a lot of people. A lot of good people in the state know this and keep sending him back to the senate because maybe, to them, he is better than the alternative. I DO have a problem
with Byrd's peers giving him a pass as well as the media. As I've stated before, speaking
in a racially insensitive manner, needs to be stopped no matter where it comes from. There
are no excuses.

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