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Two Penn State officials charged in connection with abuse investigation

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Looks like more than a few people knew about this, yet no one, no one, did the right thing.

In a development that strikes very close to Joe Paterno's storied football program, Pennsylvania State University athletic director Tim Curley and another university official were charged Saturday with perjury related to a child sexual abuse investigation of longtime Nittany Lions assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.

The Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office said Curley, 57, and Gary Schultz, 62, Penn State's senior vice president for finance and business, also were charged with failure to report, a summary offense. The perjury count is a third-degree felony punishable by up to seven years in prison and a $15,000 fine.

In a four-page release, the Attorney General's Office said Paterno was informed by a graduate-assistant football coach in March 2002 that he had seen Sandusky involved in sexual activity with a boy in the showers of the Lasch Football Complex, where Sandusky maintained an office after his retirement
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The story I read said Joe didn't know about any of this and wouldn't be charged with anything. Is that possible? The Athletic Director and all these other people knew about it, and didn't mention a thing to the Head Coach?

I'm a big Joe Paterno fan, but something doesn't add up here. I do have a hard time believing he would knowingly have a preditor on his staff or would not have reported anything had he known.

This is ugly!
The report states that Paterno informed Curley as soon as the grad assistant reported the news to him. At that point Curley took over the investigation, as one of his duties is to oversee the Penn State University police. According to the report I read, Paterno will not be charged with anything. As bad as it sounds, they are entitled to the presumption of innocence, and we will just have to see how it turns out.
It's very sad that in todays world we must investigate the background of, or at the very least be very wary of, those individuals who volunteer their time to be near children!

I can't imagine someone witnessing that event and then allowing him to continue working there, much less with children. IMO, all that were involved back in 1996 should be having some very guilt ridden and sleepless nights.
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It is precisely because of incidents like this that we must investigate the backgrounds of adults who volunteer their time to be near children.

I don't know how long ago Little League required background checks of anyone who worked with the kids, either by coaching or even running the concession stands. The Archdiocese of Chicago requires not only a background check, but training for everyone who either volunteers or works with children. The public schools here also require background checks.

I once heard a detective speak about child s.e. x ual predators and she said that very often predators are coaches, sports instructors, or scout leaders.

We have had experience THREE TIMES with either a coach or hitting instructor who behaved like that. Three different kids, with three different people. It was awful. Just awful. We didn't walk, we RAN away from them as fast as we could.
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Just saw this via twitter: RT @Corey_Clark: So Penn State grad assistant who first reported the abuse? He's now the Nittany Lions' WR coach and recruiting coordinator.

The problem with background checks is that they don't catch people until *they* are caught. If Sandusky did what he is charged with (and he is considered innocent) he operated for decades!
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It is precisely because of incidents like this that we must investigate the backgrounds of adults who volunteer their time to be near children.


Exactly play baseball. And it's also why at least 1 parent should always be around a team event with kids. It protects the kids and the coaches. It's responsible parenting, not helicopter parenting. I have always thought any coach who doesn't want parents around is a big red flag.
If Paterno didn't call the police he is just as guilty. He can't wash his hands of this one.

Don't forget two other incidences:
In 1998 he defended LaVar Arrington, his all-American linebacker, after he brutally assaulted a defenseless Pittsburgh punter in the middle of a game. In 2000 he allowed his black quarterback Rashard Casey to start every game despite being charged with assaulting (this time off the field) a white cop.
Its my understanding that Joe Pa took the information and passed it up the chain of command. One thing is for sure we have no idea what really happened. Many times what we hear from the media and what actually took place can be very different. In this country we are all innocent until proven guilty. Lets let the courts decide. Joe Pa was not charged in this case because he passed the information along.

It doesn't sound good. And if these kids were abused then those responsible and those who failed to act in the proper manner should be punished. Thats up to the courts to decide. Lets not rush to judgement. We all know thats going to happen because it sells. I for one will wait for the facts to come out.
Even Jo Pa doesn't survive being around something like this. The Washington Post reported Paterno was told, and passed it up the ladder, but the only thing done with the pedophile coach was to prohibit him from bringing boys from his foundation on to the PSU campus. Jo Pa knew of the event, and kept the guy on his staff.

He'll be retiring very soon. Very sad way to go out, but even sadder what happened to at least 8 little boys.


Correction on 11/7: the media today says the incident occurred after the coach had retired as a PSU coach, so Joe Pa didn't keep him on the staff as he was already gone. That may not help the perception that nothing was done but Joe Pa isn't being looked as criminally responsible in any way at this point.
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Had this only been going on the past ten years JoePA would have got a pass. The debate would have been did JoePa stay too long which has been raging for ten years. If this occurred over twenty years previous to the last ten years it's going to take it's toll on the purity of JoePa and the Penn State football program. I expect to see JoePA retire at the end of the season. It's time to clear the slate.
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To me, a Pennsylvanian, this is more an indictment about Penn State, and State College, Pa, than individuals. I didn't go to Penn State, but lots of my friends did. I've been there many times, especially for football. There is a definite air of arrogance about the place. Nobody messes with Joe Paterno, or Penn State football. Nobody rocks the boat. If you do, most likely, you'll find yourself out of a job, in the middle of nowhere.
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Jo Pa knew of the event, and kept the guy on his staff.

From what I've read, Sandusky left Paterno's staff in 1999, well before Paterno heard about it. He left because Paterno felt that he was spending too much time for his foundation and not enough time coaching.

The oddity is that Penn State allowed him to continue to have an office on campus, and use of the facilities for his foundation. However, Sandusky was interviewed by two police detectives (perhaps university police?) at the time, so it may have seemed to Paterno (and others who may have heard the allegations) that Sanduskey had been exonerated.
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They all need to go to jail. If I saw something like this at my work I would go to the police. If somebody told me they witnessed something like this I would go to the police.

How can anybody think it is OK to report a rape to your superior instead of the police? How is it even possible that anybody on the planet would do anything but report it to the police? I am completely disgusted with every person involved.

The more I think about this and read about it the more po'ed I get. What person wouldn't stop this from happening if you saw it? If I saw someone being raped I would do everything in my power to stop it right then. Grab something handy and let the rapist have it. I am sick to my stomach knowing that there isn't more outrage at everyone involved!!
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We don't know the facts so let's all calm down and let it play out. If these allegations are true then drop the biggest hammer on the people who are guilty we can find. But if this is just blowing smoke then let's not destroy people's repuation over what might amount to nothing.

Anybody remember Duke Lacrosse? While I have no doubt they aren't choir boys who lead bible study sessions they weren't guilty of anything but they were drug through the mud over nothing.
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Is anyone saying "don't rush to judgement" willing to let their 11, 12 year-old son sleep over at this guy's house until he goes to trial and is exonerated or convicted?


While I understand where you're coming from and won't say you're wrong overall, I will say there is a difference between being smart and keeping your kids home versus convicting someone before a trial. When someone is accused of something like this it is a good move to get kids away from them but he's still protected under our laws and rights. We need to stop convicting people in the court of public opinion before we even get close to the real court of law. Yes there are travesties of justice that go on in court but the vast majority of time the system works. Let's trust it.
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We don't know the facts so let's all calm down and let it play out. ...Anybody remember Duke Lacrosse?


Coach, while I generally (and strongly) agree with your advice not to rush to judgment, this is not really analogous with the Duke lacrosse case. The Sandusky matter has already made its way through a Grand Jury. The Duke lacrosse case never came close to getting that far.

There is a lot of "probable cause" here. No, these people have not been proven guilty, but certainly there is a lot of smoke, even if evidence of fire has not (yet) been turned up.

I'd also like to point out the distinction between not rushing to judgment, and exercising prudent caution. It is the latter reason why I would agree with AntzDad that I wouldn't let my 11 or 12 year old anywhere near this guy. For that matter, why anybody would entrust their son to JoePa now, given that he has now proven that he will do only the bare minimum required of him in reporting serious allegations of misconduct involving an even more serious threat to the safety and welfare of kids on his campus, is beyond me. For that reason alone, I can't see any way he remains Penn State's coach beyond the end of this year.
EdgarFan appreciate the post and I'll be the first to say I'm by no means an expert on the legal system. I will also agree with you and Antzdad a parent would be crazy to allow their children to be near this guy while he's under these allegations. But then again there were still parents who allowed their kids to be alone with Michael Jackson.

I see what you're saying that it's made it to the grand jury and there is a lot of probable cause but the fact remains the same - he's not been convicted and therefore I think the rush to judgement needs to stop.

I guess I have a different perspective than most people here. Let's face it at any time any teacher could be accused of this and whether it's true or not their career is over from an allegation. I've seen many cases where a kid gets ticked off at a teacher over something and next thing you know they start making these accusations. Even when it finally comes out that the kid was lying it's always swept under the rug and no public apologies are ever made to the person. People no matter what still think it's true due to conviction in the court of public opinion.

If this guy is guilty then drop the jail on top of him. It's what he deserves.
Coach, I am sensitive to your perspective. I am a former LL president who has had the unsavory (but totally necessary) task of doing background checks on hundreds of volunteers, which I always limited to a very small group (usually myself and one other trusted board member) because you would not believe the number of false positives - usually because of errors due to name similarities - and people understandably get very, very upset at even a suggestion that somebody with any kind of allegation of misconduct against them might have access to their children. We certainly have to be extremely vigilant in thoroughly investigating this sort of thing before making anything public (and seeing inevitable "scarlet letter" public reaction), and we all need to avoid the rush to judgment and condemnation in the absence of a full and fair hearing of all the facts.

I am also sensitive to the plight of the victims of this kind of abuse. As a kid, my football coach from 2nd through 5th grade was actively abusing my teammates. I did not know this at the time; I knew only, as I told my Dad, that "Al played favorites" and that I was not among the favorites (thank God). But, when this all became public when I was in high school, I was not surprised. Nor am I surprised that several of his victims - my friends and teammates - have been complete recluses whose lives have been irretrievably and horrifically altered by what happened. We cannot ever forget the vulnerability and preciousness of childhood, and when push comes to shove, the balance should always be tipped in favor of protecting the child rather than the accused. After all, as others here have pointed out, one can protect oneself from such allegations simply by not being alone with a child (and the resistance of a coach or teacher to having other adults around is ABSOLUTELY a red flag for any parent - not to mention an act of naivete at the least and sheer stupidity at the worst by any innoncent teacher or coach). There is no perfect balance, and certainly there are false accusations and serious consequences that flow from that, but in my opinion, laws that require the reporting and investigation of any allegation of child abuse strike the right balance.

Another thing that really needs to be made clear is that this scandal is nothing like the example of the potentially falsely accused teacher or coach whose life is ruined by false accusations and a rush to judgment that you mention. This report is based on not charges, but grand jury indictments after an investigation that took nearly three years and resulted in a 23-page, very specific and detailed findings of fact to support the indictments. This case didn't just "make it to the grand jury," it resulted in mutiple indictments. I generously referred to this as "lots of probable cause" but it is really much more than that: anybody who reads the grand jury's findings of fact would have a difficult time imagining how Sandusky's legal team will ever create reasonable doubt, as there are multiple, extremely similar stories testified to under oath by many, many people. And, even lack of proven guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is not the equivalent of innocence, and does not absolve the "exonerated" from being judged in the court of public opinion. [I, like you, would simply ask that people make informed judgments, only after a full hearing of all the facts. But they are entitled to their opinions and judgments, and to legally act upon them.]

This is part of where even Coach Paterno now finds himself: legally exonerated, but seemingly very culpable morally. If you read the report of the grand jury, it is clear that officials were aware of very, very similar conduct in 1998, but Sandusky was never charged (even though the investigation then revealed a second victim with an indentical story - one which would be repeated again in 2002. It was very soon after that investigation that Sandusky abruptly retired - after a closed door meeting with Paterno that he emotionally told yet another victim about and told that victim to keep quiet. Are we to accept that Paterno knew nothing of the allegations and investigation in 1998, that they had nothing to do with his meeting with Sandusky and subsequent abrupt "retirement" in 1999, or that he wouldn't have even thought of the prior nearly identical incident when a grad assistant reported what he had seen in 2002? That he would have never even confronted or asked Sandusky about any of this? And if he did not, is that not just as telling?

Ultimately, this is why - even though I find myself sympathetic to those who are falsely accused - I cannot condone those willing to risk those giving the accused the benefit of the doubt by failing to report any alleged abuse. These understandable feelings of not wanting to risk the reputation and careers of friends and colleagues end up serving to enable those (let's hope it is those few) who have actually done what they are accused of to continue their abusive ways. This DeadspDeadspin article says it very well:

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"Blowing the whistle is the exception to the rule. The fact that Paterno, deemed by many to be the Gold Standard for how a football coach ought to conduct himself, isn't immune to it should tell you something. Because I'm fairly certain that despite all this, Paterno remains a good and decent person. ...

"Sandusky was Paterno's colleague (and one would assume friend) for over three decades. So imagine someone coming up to you and telling you that your friend of 30 years was raping a kid in the shower. Would you believe it? Would you want to believe it? Probably not the first time you hear it. Would you go to the police? What if the grad assistant was wrong and your friend's life is ruined because of a misunderstanding? You might not even want to explore the matter further because you can't tolerate the idea of someone you trusted doing such monstrous things. I think the reason Paterno went to his AD and didn't go to the cops is because it provided him with the chance to have it both ways. This way, he was able to 'report' it, without having to be the person who takes the significantly braver step of actually calling the police. Problem solved. Conscience cleared.


And yet, because of these understandable feelings, a person apparently capable of horrific acts was allowed to continue to abuse several victims well after Paterno and his Penn State colleagues either knew or should have known something was very seriously wrong and failed to do anything about it.

I'm all for waiting until the facts are in before "outing" the accused, or making any kind of judgment, and those who truly are exonerated should see that shouted from the hilltops as loudly as those who would brand them with the scarlet letter at the outset, but the balance in such matter - imperfect as it will inevitably be - should always be struck in favor the child.
Good post Edgarfan.

100K unsecured bail is a joke.

This is not a case where the child told a story because he had a grudge, this was a case where it was seen and suspected by more than one and not reported to the "proper" authorities. I can't believe that the whole thing came out when a mother reported the abuse, not ONE single person from the University went to the police (not the university police) at anytime? Not one victim, but eight uncovered (wonder how many more will come forward).

And these guys LIED.

Shame on ALL of those who stood around waiting for the next guy to take care of things or hoping that it would go away. I don't know about anyone else but if someone told me that about a friend and colleague of mine (that he witnessed), I wouldn't be able to sleep unless I knew the truth, I would do everything and anything in my power with the power I had to help uncover the truth.
SI has a good piece on this disgusting situation.

I think he summed it up quite succinctly.

" Paterno will apparently avoid charges in this case. But his reign at Penn State will end poorly, just as Woody Hayes' reign at Ohio State ended poorly, and as Bob Knight's reign at Indiana ended poorly. In all three cases, you could see a lousy ending coming -- though of course, it was hard to imagine this particular lousy ending.

There is no joy in saying that. But there is no joy anywhere in this awful story. Strip away the fame, the money and the popularity of Penn State's football program, and you have a sordid allegation that demanded a powerful response from powerful people.

What would you do? For most of us, the answer is simple: A lot more."



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...x.html#ixzz1d4CLMFdF
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EdgarFan that is a good post and overall I totally agree with you. I actually had a pretty long response to you but after thinking about it and reading it I believe most people will think I'm defending Sandusky and the two adminstrators adn that's not what I'm doing. I'm just saying we need to stop convicting people in the court of public opinion before it ever gets to trial.

It is what it is and I'm just going to sit back and wait on all the facts to come out.
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EdgarFan: I read where you formerly had the task of running background checks. Were you aware that most R.S.O.'s only have to register for 10 yrs, after being released from incarceration? Only some have to register for life. A local area Boy Scout leader, whom background checks are also ran on, was just arrested for abusing young boys. It appears that the perp's 10 yr.'s had expired...


Actually, I wasn't really aware of that, BUT during the time I was a LL president, LL started suggesting that we use a private firm (ChoicePoint) to do background checks, and after they signed the last big LLWS TV deal they started providing those to us (at least the first 100, then later even more than that) for free. I always thought that they did this so a partner could make money (because we usually had well more than the provided number to do), but after reading your post, it is probably because as a private database, they didn't clear out stuff like that. They also recorded and reported far more than just *** crimes.

The other thing is, the fact that any organization does background checks should not mean that anyone should relax their vigilance and attention to any warning signs - whether parents or league/organization officials. It is just the first level of defense.
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EdgarFan that is a good post and overall I totally agree with you. I actually had a pretty long response to you but after thinking about it and reading it I believe most people will think I'm defending Sandusky and the two adminstrators adn that's not what I'm doing. I'm just saying we need to stop convicting people in the court of public opinion before it ever gets to trial.


I get where you are coming from and don't think that you are defending any of these guys at all. I also agree with you that the public often "convicts people in the court of public opinion" with few facts, or inflammatory and inadmissible evidence, and in doing so real damage can be done to the reputations of sometimes innocent people.

The original point I was making is that, when there is an indictment by a grand jury, the danger of that happening without reason is far less. The bar is usually set a little higher, and (as is true here) there are many more facts available to substantiate the charges, based on testimony under oath. Granted, it isn't the same as a cinviction following a trial, because the (a) the standard is not guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, but probable cause to indict, and (b) the target has no right to testify or put on a defense - the prosector runs the show. And the record of the testimony is sealed, so it is hard to measure if the facts and conclusions in the report really match the testimony.

So in that sense, we don' have ALL the facts and so can be accused to some degree of a "rush to judgment." But given the very specific and very similar testimony given by a number of witnesses, I feel pretty comfortable making a judgment about Sandusky that rises above the level of "probable cause." I certainly would be open to the idea that a defense might provide some reasonable doubt, but again I am pretty sure even if that were true he would be falling into the category of "not guilty" more than "innocent" and I'd feel comfortable making a moral judgment of the man (much as I do about O.J. Simpson, even though he was found "not guilty).

I am a lot less confident in saying that anybody else did or didn't commit a crime here - but I do know that as a parent, I certainly expect a lot more of people in positions of power at a public university sitting in loco parentis.
There was a long article in Sports Illustrated years back about sexual predators in coaching. It was illuminating. It would be worthwhile reading for everyone who is in a position of responsibility for kids.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...MAG1127274/index.htm

Among things I found interesting: the typical predator is extremely well liked and respected. He does a lot of special favors for kids who are vulnerable.

Also, alcohol, drugs, and heterosexual pornography are tools used to reach their goals. The point of this is that when you hear about "inappropriate behavior" from adults, there may be more to it than you might think.

In any case, a stunning situation.
From Harrisburg Patriot Editorial today.

But right now, here, today, we know what Spanier and Paterno did — and did not do.

According to the grand jury, in 2002, then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary saw Sandusky performing a *** act on a young boy in the football locker room showers. Distraught, he went to head coach Joe Paterno.

Paterno’s response was to tell his boss. He called Curley at home, on a Sunday — he knew it was serious.

He told Curley that Sandusky had been seen “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature” with a boy in the showers.

That is what Paterno said under oath.

And with that, the attorney general has determined, Joe Paterno fulfilled his obligation under the law.

Graham Spanier, too, apparently did everything the law required.

Curley and Schultz told Spanier there was “inappropriate conduct” between Sandusky and the boy.

Curley insists that is what he heard from McQueary. Schultz concedes that he heard “Sandusky might have inappropriately grabbed” the young boy’s private parts.

So how did a college football legend, known nationally for the integrity of his program, respond to a report of “something of a sexual nature” occurring between his longtime colleague and a little boy?

And how did a university president responsible for the welfare of thousands of young people respond to the very idea that an older man was showering with a boy and engaging in “inappropriate conduct” on campus?

They banned Jerry Sandusky from bringing children on campus.

That was all.

Here is what they did not do:

Neither Joe Paterno nor Graham Spanier called the police.

Neither Joe Paterno nor Graham Spanier seem to have demonstrated any concern for the victim. They never tried to find him. They never tried to get him the emotional help he might need.

When Paterno heard that the milquetoast response was to ban Sandusky from bringing kids on campus — a ban that Curley himself called unenforceable — there is no indication Joe ever went to Spanier to warn him that this could be far more serious.

Spanier didn’t even think it important to speak personally with McQueary. If he had, McQueary would have told him what he told the grand jury: that he saw a boy pinned against the shower wall and Sandusky engaged in what the law calls “involuntary deviate sexual intercourse.”

How about more recently?

Paterno and Spanier both knew that a grand jury was investigating Sandusky for possible sexual abuse. They were called to testify. Yet Sandusky continued to have a private office on campus and access to any building.

At midnight Sunday, Spanier issued a statement that said, “The protection of children is of paramount importance. The university will take a number of actions moving forward to increase the safety and security within our facilities and make everyone aware of the protocols in place for handling these issues.”

Where was Spanier’s concern when he first heard about the investigation?

That was the time to think: “Whether Jerry Sandusky committed a crime or not, I need to ensure the safety of children on our campus right now.”

The attorney general has determined that Paterno and Spanier did everything the law required. But a university president must be held to a higher standard. The most famous coach in college football history must be held to a higher standard.

Since taking the reins in 1995, Graham Spanier has done great things for Penn State. He has built world-class facilities, added a law school, increased fundraising and strengthened the school’s reputation as a center for research.

But a leader who lacks moral authority has nothing. By doing the absolute minimum when hearing potentially serious allegations, by doing more to protect the school’s reputation than to protect children, Spanier has lost that moral authority.

Joe Paterno is a different story. That doesn’t let him off the hook. He should have done more. A man who has spoken with such affection for 46 years about “his kids” failed real kids when they needed him most.

But this incident does not undo a lifetime of achievement.

Some people will argue that Joe should step down immediately as well. Given what we know now, we don’t agree. Paterno should be allowed to finish out the year and retire with the honor and admiration he has earned since taking over as head coach in 1966.

It might always be honor with an asterisk, admiration with a shake of the head. Joe will have to live with that.

There will be other people who argue that Graham Spanier and Joe Paterno should not be punished at all. After all, they obeyed the law.

Eight little boys would have said: that simply isn’t enough.

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