The difference a year makes.

I like last year's better.

Same batting avearge with more at bats,more homeruns and more extra base hits.

I like this years better.

Chameleon knows what he is saying......I would advise you to listen carefully to what he says....His form is quite a bit better in last years pic.....

He is sitting on his backside, now, and not transferring his weight well.....Better pitching will expose the fault of doing this....

In which pic do the hips have a more complete opening?....And, in which pic did he hit the ball on the way to extension?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlueDog:

He is sitting on his backside, now, and not transferring his weight well.....Better pitching will expose the fault of doing this....



Oh, you mean like.....Barry Bonds??? Mr. Fox, he looks good to me in both pictures, just using different mechanics. I can't really tell if he got to full extension since he's let go with his top hand in this picture, but it may be something you want to watch. If he's not getting his hands extended through contact, as Blue Dog notes, he may have trouble with breaking balls and off speed pitches as the pitchers get better. Sounds like he's had a great year. Keep up the good work!

Chameleon, some are catching on and some are not.....

Some understand that MLB hitters float the bat and some never will.....

Some understand hands to the ball doesn't allow late pitch recognition and some do not....

What happens during the float is what seperates MLB hitters from the rest.....Without the float, you're toast.....

Of course, unless they're satisfied with padding stats against poor pitching.....Which, is quite prevalent with coaches, parents and players....So much so, I would say it's the norm.....

When Blue Dog and Chameleon speak, read, and re-read.

Blue Dog, by "float", are you referring to what the barrel is doing during the period in what Chameleon refers to as "tourque the hands"?

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Originally posted by noreast:
When Blue Dog and Chameleon speak, read, and re-read.

Blue Dog, by "float", are you referring to what the barrel is doing during the period in what Chameleon refers to as "tourque the hands"?

Yes, that's what he's talking about and there is absolutely no need for an 8 year old kid to do that. When he starts to see 90+ fast balls combined with 75 to 85 mph breaking pitches, he will need to learn to do that. Most younger kids don't have the hand strength to re-direct the bat and keep enough control of the barrel to make consistent contact. IMO, timing and getting to a proper contact position is more of a problem for younger kids than bat speed.

micmeister,you saw the video of him hitting and some times(most of the time) he gets to full extension,other times he doesn't.

He doesn't always take his hand off the bat as he is doing in this picture.It seems to be a feel thing for him.


I would quess that in the second picture he was arm barring real bad because he has started doing that in the last few weaks but I am not worried because he has done it right enough for me to know he is getting it.



Remember,this is hitting off a machine where he can sit dead ready for a certain pitch and hit it hard.


For those that missed it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q7aE2HpzIF4


He was actually hitting the ball real well when the first pic was taken but he was just floating the ball into the outfield.Now,he is crushing the ball and hitting line drives.

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Originally posted by tfox:
micmeister,you saw the video of him hitting and some times(most of the time) he gets to full extension,other times he doesn't.

He doesn't always take his hand off the bat as he is doing in this picture.It seems to be a feel thing for him.


I would quess that in the second picture he was arm barring real bad because he has started doing that in the last few weaks but I am not worried because he has done it right enough for me to know he is getting it.



Remember,this is hitting off a machine where he can sit dead ready for a certain pitch and hit it hard.


For those that missed it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q7aE2HpzIF4


He was actually hitting the ball real well when the first pic was taken but he was just floating the ball into the outfield.Now,he is crushing the ball and hitting line drives.

Because now he has better leverage.

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Blue Dog, by "float", are you referring to what the barrel is doing during the period in what Chameleon refers to as "tourque the hands"?

Yes....During this period the bat is changing planes while the handle of the bat is being torqued in-between the hands.....And, please understand floating the bat is not a strength issue.....

AND, the location and speed of the pitch is being recognized during this time period, also.......

Here is Mr. Bonds floating the bat....

http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/Bonds01.mpeg

Please note in the above clip how the hips complete their turn and the arms extend.....Nice weight transfer.....No sitting on his back leg....

Bonds?

Leaving his weight back?

Bonds Chase

I guess that rear foot going toward home plate is what you call "weight back".

Get a clue.

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Originally posted by tfox:
Same batting avearge with more at bats,more homeruns and more extra base hits.

I like this years better.

This kind of thinking jeopardizes his baseball future.

It's the same exact thought process that all dads/kids take that never play beyond high school. Many don't even play there. They wake up one day and realize what they've been doing will not work at higher levels.

Most were never warned. You now have been.

There is a high level sequence that you'd better work toward instead of stat numbers.

We really can't tell **** from the still pictures. But....you claim it's better. If all we have is a still, the still of last year is better

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IMO, timing and getting to a proper contact position is more of a problem for younger kids than bat speed.

In all due respect Meister, everything is a problem to any hitter who doesn't know what to do.....Age is not a factor.....

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Originally posted by Chameleon:
Bonds?

Leaving his weight back?

Bonds Chase

I guess that rear foot going toward home plate is what you call "weight back".

Get a clue.

He is hitting around and over his back leg and behind his front leg. If he was hitting from back to front his foot would go up or forward.

One of us needs to get a clue, but it ain't me!

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Originally posted by Chameleon:

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Originally posted by tfox:
Same batting avearge with more at bats,more homeruns and more extra base hits.

I like this years better.

This kind of thinking jeopardizes his baseball future.

It's the same exact thought process that all dads/kids take that never play beyond high school. Many don't even play there. They wake up one day and realize what they've been doing will not work at higher levels.

Most were never warned. You now have been.

There is a high level sequence that you'd better work toward instead of stat numbers.

We really can't tell s h i t from the still pictures. But....you claim it's better. If all we have is a still, the still of last year is better

His kid is "8"!!! With your kind of thinking, 8 year old pitchers should be working on cutters, split fingers, and sliders. That is what they have to do to be a professional pitcher...right???

Its been way too long since the Doggie - and his various aliases - invented yet another new "term of the month"

"Floating the Bat"

Very creative - LOL

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Originally posted by BlueDog:

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IMO, timing and getting to a proper contact position is more of a problem for younger kids than bat speed.

In all due respect Meister, everything is a problem to any hitter who doesn't know what to do.....Age is not a factor.....

Floating the bat is a recognition mechanic. What does an 8 year old need to recognize other than location. Should a 3rd grader learn Calculus before they learn basic math??? A swing is something that can be built upon and IMO should be, so that a hitter can have success along the way as well as in the end. Teaching an 8 year old a MLB swing isn't needed. If you two don't scare Mr. Fox away from here, he can add to his son's swing as he moves up. If you overload him now and he isn't successful, he may quit playing altogether.

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Originally posted by micmeister:
He is hitting around and over his back leg and behind his front leg. If he was hitting from back to front his foot would go up or forward.

The **** they come up with to save face.

around and over yet behind.......so you're saying no forward momentum into Bond's swing?

lol

The kids age is irrelevant. How old is the Dad? The Dad's lack of understanding is the point.

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Originally posted by micmeister:
Floating the bat is a recognition mechanic.

So....you can't recognize without floating?

I suggest you learn what it is before you pontificate.

Jesus Christ..... he's 8 let'em have fun with the game first.

Get into all that cr^p later when it really matters.

Chameleon,did you even look ad the video?
There is more information there.From cold hitting to warm up and even into a little tired.



You have made quite a few assumptions of his swing by the way he finished on 1 still shot.You know what you do when you assume.


I never said the pic was perfect but it is an amazing start,especially for an 8 year old.

One of the worst mistakes one can make is to overload another when trying to teach them.You must work on a couple things at a time instead of every aspect.

I have coached archery shooting and I never try and tell someone EVERY mistake they are making at the very beggining.It is a learning process and you advance the lessons as the skills progress.ESPECIALLY when dealing with youngsters.


This kid is somewhat of a gifted athlete.He made black belt at 7,do you think his instructor was teaching how to break 2 boards with a jump round house kick the first day?

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Originally posted by Chameleon:

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Originally posted by micmeister:
Floating the bat is a recognition mechanic.

So....you can't recognize without floating?

I suggest you learn what it is before you pontificate.

I didn't say that. It is only needed when you need to wait longer to start your swing. I can start a swing well before the pitcher lets go of the ball if I know what pitch he's throwing and where he's going to throw it. Also, I can float the bat all I want and it won't help me hit the ball.

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Originally posted by Chameleon:

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Originally posted by micmeister:
He is hitting around and over his back leg and behind his front leg. If he was hitting from back to front his foot would go up or forward.

The **** they come up with to save face.

around and over yet behind.......so you're saying no forward momentum into Bond's swing?

lol

The kids age is irrelevant. How old is the Dad? The Dad's lack of understanding is the point.

For one thing, you can stop with the foul language. Now, to Bond's swing. Obviously there is forward motion in his swing, the ball is being thrown from in front of him and he is trying to hit the ball in front of him. The BAT is moving forward, but his body is rotating around an axis (his waist) and over his back thigh. Two objects in motion moving in opposite directions AT CONTACT, not well after contact which is when Bond's foot moves toward the plate. You see only what you want to see and what fits in your narrow vision of hitting mechanics.

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not well after contact which is when Bond's foot moves toward the plate.

What do you think caused his foot to move toward the catcher after contact? hmmm??? Maybe his weight moving to his front side during his swing? Just a hunch.

Like you said "You see only what you want to see and what fits in your narrow vision of hitting mechanics."

If you think Bonds weight doesnt move forward during his swing your lack of knowledge on hitting is only equalled by lack of knowledge on pitching, and your obvious lack of class... His foot lifted off the ground and toward the catcher because his weight shifted forward. Do you think the foot moved because he was rotating around a stationary axis over his back leg... Maybe his foot slides out from under him because he slipped on some magic pixie dust.

Continue your epic persuit of thinking Hank Aaron couldnt hit .200 today. And please figure out how to use the quote function properly one time... 355 nonsense posts and you still cant figure out how to put the text in between the [quote]'s

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Continue your epic persuit of thinking Hank Aaron couldnt hit .200 today.

.......He believes this????????

Yes. Hank had to much forward movement to hit todays pitchers.

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This kid is somewhat of a gifted athlete.

This has more to do with any recent success than quality mechanics.

Quite frankly.....the best I can tell from the youtube video is.......the kid is spinning.

Post a clip that can be played frame by frame.

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Originally posted by micmeister:

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Originally posted by Chameleon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by micmeister:
Floating the bat is a recognition mechanic.

So....you can't recognize without floating?

I suggest you learn what it is before you pontificate.

How about your comments on brain surgery.

They may show some knowledge of the subject.

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Originally posted by micmeister:
Now, to Bond's swing. Obviously there is forward motion in his swing, the ball is being thrown from in front of him and he is trying to hit the ball in front of him. The BAT is moving forward, but his body is rotating around an axis (his waist) and over his back thigh. Two objects in motion moving in opposite directions AT CONTACT, not well after contact which is when Bond's foot moves toward the plate. You see only what you want to see and what fits in your narrow vision of hitting mechanics.

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not well after contact which is when Bond's foot moves toward the plate.

Obviously you don't know the significance of what Bond's foot does...after contact...compared to what the kid's does.

It tells an important story. One you need to read up on.

Stare at Bond's foot. Stare at the kid's foot.

Some things are so obvious that only those with agenda's can not see

Hank couldn't hit against today's pitchers??????......Bonds doesn't shift weight forward????

.....Say it aint so, Joe!!!!

mic is thepainguy of hitting.

The late Swingbuster made some very observant points about what would happen if you set an object directly behind the rear foot.

When you swing you shouldn't hit.

Bond's wouldn't hit it.

The kid may hit it so hard he kicks it into the oppo batters box.

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This kid is somewhat of a gifted athlete.

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This has more to do with any recent success than quality mechanics.

Finding a good athlete is the hardest part...that part cant be taught. Having an 8 yr old myself, this kid appears to be gifted athletically in relation to the 8's that I have seen.

Many are more gifted than their teammates and opponents when they are young.

They get by with less than good mechanics and before you know it they are passed up by the competition. May be in high school. May be in college.

Fewer and fewer are more gifted than their teammates and opponents as they go to higher levels.

Mechanics will make a huge difference at that time.

Better start now.

If you stop the clip of bonds at the same point,it will appear very similar to my sons.He would appear to be sitting down but as the bat continues around,his upper body momentum carries him forward,off his back foot.His rear foot doesn't move forward untill the bat comes all the way back around his head.


Think about this,you are comparing the mechanics of an 8 year old to the mechanics of the best homerun hitter EVER in baseball.

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Originally posted by Glove Man:
Jesus Christ..... he's 8 let'em have fun with the game first.

This is the extent of Glove Man's brilliance.

He can't distinquish between conversation, amongst adults, about an adult's knowledge of a swing and criticism of a kid.

But he feels a need to be a member.

The wannabe factor.

I think he was featured in a recent ESPN commercial.

Continue your epic persuit of thinking Hank Aaron couldnt hit .200 today. And please figure out how to use the quote function properly one time... 355 nonsense posts and you still cant figure out how to put the text in between the

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But I can spell pursuit!

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Originally posted by tfox:
Think about this,you are comparing the mechanics of an 8 year old to the mechanics of the best homerun hitter EVER in baseball.

No, I'm telling you that in the still picture, he was better last year.

I'm also telling you, in the youtube video, he appears to be spinning.

Post a clip that can be played frame by frame.

The rear foot action of the two hitters is completely different and is very significant.

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Originally posted by tfox:
If you stop the clip of bonds at the same point,it will appear very similar to my sons.He would appear to be sitting down but as the bat continues around,his upper body momentum carries him forward,off his back foot.His rear foot doesn't move forward untill the bat comes all the way back around his head.


Think about this,you are comparing the mechanics of an 8 year old to the mechanics of the best homerun hitter EVER in baseball.

You nailed it Mr. Fox! This is a riot! They are talking about YOUR lack of knowledge! I'll give you the names of three guys that have no intention of ever helping anyone on this website, but you probably already know them. Chameleon, Bluedog, and Deemax! They are way too self-centered to ever try to help someone else out. Ignore anything they say and you will do just fine. They do offer some nice videos from time to time though. It's a darn shame they can't analyze them correctly!