coach,reply sent.
Thanks
Bonds turns the barrel in his hands, and since the arms aren't delivering any energy to the barrel's turn, through the length of the arms, they can now be used to direct the rotation barrel to the ball.
Early batspeed......high adjustability.
As compared to arm swingers...and shoulder rotation swingers....people who may or may not generate the force with their arms but deliver it to the barrel with their arms. THIS IS NOT GOOD.
If the energy is being delivered by the arms to the barrel, even through shoulder rotation, you have little to no adjustability.
If the hands are turning the barrel, assisted by the shoulders lateral tilt and the hip projection and rotation, then the arms can be used to move this rotating barrel to the ball WITHOUT DEGRADING THE BARREL'S ROTATION.
Rich, your site pay homage to a HSBBW legend and I respect that, he was an inovator and true student of the game. DB, was a friend in my eyes.
See ya in Jan.
See ya in Jan.
quote:Originally posted by Glove Man:
Coach you know I will deffinately give you a buzz! And dinner is on me!
Richard is springing for at least one meal. Come on Richard, you buying?
Donny was extemely intelligent when it came to the swing.
He and tom.guerry have been right about swing mechanics for years.
You have to get in the batters box against a pitcher trying to get you out to understand that.
Some will do it. Others won't.
He and tom.guerry have been right about swing mechanics for years.
You have to get in the batters box against a pitcher trying to get you out to understand that.
Some will do it. Others won't.
Live up to your gender?
If you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything? type of stand?
If so...it's on me.
But to wishy washy around.....I'm not interested.
If you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything? type of stand?
If so...it's on me.
But to wishy washy around.....I'm not interested.
I still get in the batter's box, in fact i will be in the box at about 10am CST.
And out at about 10:01
Lil Bighit looked at me like who the f are you.
He was in the bullpen. I wandered down to ask if his dad was there. He wasn't. Had been but left.
I told him to tell him Teacherman was looking for him.
That was it.
BTW......lil Bighit can bring it. He clearly had a superior arm to the others.
Lil Bighit looked at me like who the f are you.
He was in the bullpen. I wandered down to ask if his dad was there. He wasn't. Had been but left.
I told him to tell him Teacherman was looking for him.
That was it.
BTW......lil Bighit can bring it. He clearly had a superior arm to the others.
I can't believe I got a 5 page thread from a couple pics of an 8 year old.
You must really be bored.
I have to leave at 5:30 in the morning to take my daughter to her softball games.
I'm out.
You must really be bored.
I have to leave at 5:30 in the morning to take my daughter to her softball games.
I'm out.
maybe 10:02.... Think fastball, adjust to the offpseed.
Lil'Hit is the real deal, the Pirates effed up letting him go!
Here's to the Astros picking him up, do you wnat to talk to Purpura, or should I?
Lil'Hit is the real deal, the Pirates effed up letting him go!
Here's to the Astros picking him up, do you wnat to talk to Purpura, or should I?
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:
Live up to your gender?
If you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything? type of stand?
If so...it's on me.
But to wishy washy around.....I'm not interested.
What the heck does that mean? Anyone that doesn't agree with you isn't a man? Please! Gloveman, looks like we're not getting those free chicken wings. Darn!
Where do you see the word "agree" in my post.
D, there's always Hooters or Wing Stop!
I too have a busy day. I will ask for permission to post a recent study from some research at the University of Arizona on wrist, hands etc. However, that may take some time. It might be found on a website somewhere as well.
Before you waste your time posting it.....who did the researcher play for?
I'll bring the personal pitcher and a bat and a lap top.
Before you leave you'll know what, why and how the hands work and you'll say.......hmmmmm.
And next year your players, and your daughter, will be doing this...
I'll bring the personal pitcher and a bat and a lap top.
Before you leave you'll know what, why and how the hands work and you'll say.......hmmmmm.
And next year your players, and your daughter, will be doing this...
I'm game! You can tape me in Jan. And it won't look like that video of the dude pitching from a few years ago!
I have to hand it to you Chameleon, you have actually parted with more of your philosophy in this thread than I have ever seen. Having said that, the statement "the lower body is slave to the upper body" couldn't be more wrong. Unless you mean after the swing has started toward the ball and not before. Think of a rubberband, I can hold one end of a rubberband in one hand and nothing will happen. If I then pull on the other end with my other hand and stretch it tight, I will have stored energy. If I want to shoot the rubberband at something, I have to let the back end go. If I let both ends go at the same time what happens to the energy? The front foot and leg take the place of the front hand in the example and the hands take the place of the back hand. The core of the body acts as the rubberband. The rotational opening of the hips along with the rearward movement of the hands acts as the stretching of the rubberband or storing of energy. You cannot store the energy going back to front. Notice, I didn't say you couldn't hit without doing it. The torque of the hips plays no roll in the snap of the wrists to get the barrel moving to the ball and that is why girls can run and hit at the same time. Oh, and Ichiro too.
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:
Learn to separate the upper and the lower body that leads to a "cusp" and the "stretch and fire" release of the barrel.
I posted the above several times.
I suspected you were talking instead of reading.
When you do some trial and error swinging you'll understand the 'slave' stuff.
To wind the rubber band, the upper body goes rearward as the lower body opens...goes forward.
How do you do that.
Try torquing the handle as your trigger and maybe in the preswing...not all do that....and watch the lower body open.......as if slaved to the upper body.
Grab the vault door and assume it takes great energy to turn the handle......watch the body organize itself so the hips get a running start to assist the turn.
The upper body's goal sets the lower body's pattern.
The lower body is slave to the upper body's goal.
Set your lead arm/elbow up in the swing plane like a particular hitting theory suggests....the one that believes shoulder rotation pulls on the lead arm to power the bat...to make it fly off the merry go round. Watch yourself spin. Little to no separation is achieved.
The lower body is slave to the upper.
The proper upper body and hand pattern will lead to the proper lower body action and the separation needed for "stretch and fire" mechanics.
All of these guys do it.
Todays Greats
We all know where you stand Rich.... time after time... Infopimp was one of your aliases.
Hitting debate last year.
it's amaizing, your current ideas have changed from about a year ago.
pay close attention to post two on page two, and then post two on page three.
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also, by right clicking on Infopimp's "x"ed out images on page three of the posted link, select properties and it will show http://www.teachersbilliards.com/....
RShard,teacherman, Infopimp, Rizzo, Chameloen
Hitting debate last year.
it's amaizing, your current ideas have changed from about a year ago.
pay close attention to post two on page two, and then post two on page three.
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from 2006quote:If you can't stay on point I'm not interested.
from this threadquote:But to wishy washy around.....I'm not interested.
also, by right clicking on Infopimp's "x"ed out images on page three of the posted link, select properties and it will show http://www.teachersbilliards.com/....
RShard,teacherman, Infopimp, Rizzo, Chameloen
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:
Learn to separate the upper and the lower body that leads to a "cusp" and the "stretch and fire" release of the barrel.
I posted the above several times.
I suspected you were talking instead of reading.
When you do some trial and error swinging you'll understand the 'slave' stuff.
To wind the rubber band, the upper body goes rearward as the lower body opens...goes forward.
How do you do that.
Try torquing the handle as your trigger and maybe in the preswing...not all do that....and watch the lower body open.......as if slaved to the upper body.
Grab the vault door and assume it takes great energy to turn the handle......watch the body organize itself so the hips get a running start to assist the turn.
The upper body's goal sets the lower body's pattern.
The lower body is slave to the upper body's goal.
Set your lead arm/elbow up in the swing plane like a particular hitting theory suggests....the one that believes shoulder rotation pulls on the lead arm to power the bat...to make it fly off the merry go round. Watch yourself spin. Little to no separation is achieved.
The lower body is slave to the upper.
The proper upper body and hand pattern will lead to the proper lower body action and the separation needed for "stretch and fire" mechanics.
All of these guys do it.
Todays Greats
Again, you are the master of the video clips! However, the movement of their hands didn't cause them to open their front knee before their hands started forward. I see them all opening their hips and scap loading with their back elbow. Those two things stretch the rubberband. The feet are the posts holding the rubberband and two of the points of leverage. The other is the bottom hand.
Well? a retort?
quote:We all know where you stand Rich.... time after time... Infopimp was one of your aliases.
Hitting debate last year. http://hsbaseballweb.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8291034941/m/6061083661/p/1
it's amaizing, your current ideas have changed from about a year ago.
pay close attention to post two on page two, and then post two on page three.
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quote:
If you can't stay on point I'm not interested.
from 2006
quote:
But to wishy washy around.....I'm not interested.
from this thread
also, by right clicking on Infopimp's "x"ed out images on page three of the posted link, select properties and it will show http://www.teachersbilliards.com/.
RShard,teacherman, Infopimp, Rizzo, Chameloen
quote:Originally posted by micmeister:
Again, you are the master of the video clips! However, the movement of their hands didn't cause them to open their front knee before their hands started forward. I see them all opening their hips and scap loading with their back elbow. Those two things stretch the rubberband. The feet are the posts holding the rubberband and two of the points of leverage. The other is the bottom hand.
I don't believe I said cause.
Swing a bat. Trial and error some.
You will then understand how the upper body's goal determines the lower body's pattern.
Yes the scaps load. But, what keeps them loaded. What keeps them from unloading early? If you think just holding the load with tension until you need to unload is the answer you are sadly mistaken. If you think you continue to load them until unload you are mistaken...that is sloppy...the scaps main work is to clamp down to reduce slop. What keeps the hands at the rear shoulder for as long as they stay there in high level swings.......it's the resistance rearward caused by the handle torque.... the barrel's rearward blur. And this same resistance allows the hips to open better/easier to get the rubber band wound.
Secondly....just loading and unloading the scaps against any hip movement WILL NOT create the cusp...the sudden burst. A cusp requires a sudden change of direction....the scaps movement doesn't qualify for sudden change of direction.
"Master of the video".....you betcha. And guys with holes in their theories don't like me.
quote:Originally posted by Glove Man:
Well? a retort?
The retort is.....when something is proven I agree with it.
The role of the hands was proven to me.....and we have the results to add to that proof.
Too bad more don't let the truth guide their search. Most continue to protect their intellectual investment, their stand, against the mountain of evidence.
I know I'm off topic a little bit, but I figure the guys who would know are here....
does anyone know where I can find the video clip of Bonds and Williams synched side-by-side?
Thanks.
does anyone know where I can find the video clip of Bonds and Williams synched side-by-side?
Thanks.
No
Thank you, Chameleon. I knew you'd be the one to come through. lol
If you will let your self see it.....you can "see/feel" the handle torque at launch in both Bonds and Williams. The barrel is swiveled rearward in both hitters at "go".
The "goal" of turning the barrel at launch with the hands/upper body tells the lower body what and how to move.
An excellent clip.
Neither hitter swings with shoulder rotation. Neither hitter has the lead elbow up in the swing plane to allow shoulder rotations pull on the barrel through the lead arm and the length of the bat.
They have their hands prepped ready to torque. This prep/feeling of what is about to happen sends a message to the lower body to get moving....we need your assistance. The lower body begins to open as the hands torque the barrel rearward....the running start.....separation is created. Then, at "go", the lateral tilt of the shoulders turns it all into the cusp, and an immediate "launch and spend" occurs.
Early batspeed is created with high adjustability.
This clip shows the truth about "shoulder rotation" swings and "handle torque" swings. The clip on the left was during "shoulder rotation" swing training. The clip on the right is from "handle torque" swing training. Both swings are against the same dominant pitcher. One in '06. The other in '07.
Stunning differences......and results.
I agree....a year makes a huge difference.
The "goal" of turning the barrel at launch with the hands/upper body tells the lower body what and how to move.
An excellent clip.
Neither hitter swings with shoulder rotation. Neither hitter has the lead elbow up in the swing plane to allow shoulder rotations pull on the barrel through the lead arm and the length of the bat.
They have their hands prepped ready to torque. This prep/feeling of what is about to happen sends a message to the lower body to get moving....we need your assistance. The lower body begins to open as the hands torque the barrel rearward....the running start.....separation is created. Then, at "go", the lateral tilt of the shoulders turns it all into the cusp, and an immediate "launch and spend" occurs.
Early batspeed is created with high adjustability.
This clip shows the truth about "shoulder rotation" swings and "handle torque" swings. The clip on the left was during "shoulder rotation" swing training. The clip on the right is from "handle torque" swing training. Both swings are against the same dominant pitcher. One in '06. The other in '07.
Stunning differences......and results.
I agree....a year makes a huge difference.
The reality is that a guy should be better from 2006 to 2007. This thread started with comparing how an 8 year old got better from one year to the next. It amazes me when we hear stories about a kid who throws 8 mph harder than he did from the previous year. Oh yeah, he grew 3 inches and 30 lbs.
BTW- Guys have good swings and bad swings in games. You can manipulate anything you want by analyzing one specific swing instead of the full body of work. The real trick is to teach a young player how to take his best swing into a game and repeat it as much as possible. Do that and you can call yourself a coach
BTW- Guys have good swings and bad swings in games. You can manipulate anything you want by analyzing one specific swing instead of the full body of work. The real trick is to teach a young player how to take his best swing into a game and repeat it as much as possible. Do that and you can call yourself a coach
quote:Originally posted by ncball:
The reality is that a guy should be better from 2006 to 2007. This thread started with comparing how an 8 year old got better from one year to the next. It amazes me when we hear stories about a kid who throws 8 mph harder than he did from the previous year. Oh yeah, he grew 3 inches and 30 lbs.
BTW- Guys have good swings and bad swings in games. You can manipulate anything you want by analyzing one specific swing instead of the full body of work. The real trick is to teach a young player how to take his best swing into a game and repeat it as much as possible. Do that and you can call yourself a coach
I AGREE.
If shoulder rotation is so bad,then why did Ted Williams back the TEACHING techniques of it? He is one you say isn't even utilizing it.
I would go further and say the big lefty got better because he got in slightly better shape. He would probably be that much better if he was in even better shape.
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:
If you will let your self see it.....you can "see/feel" the handle torque at launch in both Bonds and Williams. The barrel is swiveled rearward in both hitters at "go".
The "goal" of turning the barrel at launch with the hands/upper body tells the lower body what and how to move.
An excellent clip.
Neither hitter swings with shoulder rotation. Neither hitter has the lead elbow up in the swing plane to allow shoulder rotations pull on the barrel through the lead arm and the length of the bat.
They have their hands prepped ready to torque. This prep/feeling of what is about to happen sends a message to the lower body to get moving....we need your assistance. The lower body begins to open as the hands torque the barrel rearward....the running start.....separation is created. Then, at "go", the lateral tilt of the shoulders turns it all into the cusp, and an immediate "launch and spend" occurs.
Early batspeed is created with high adjustability.
This clip shows the truth about "shoulder rotation" swings and "handle torque" swings. The clip on the left was during "shoulder rotation" swing training. The clip on the right is from "handle torque" swing training. Both swings are against the same dominant pitcher. One in '06. The other in '07.
Stunning differences......and results.
I agree....a year makes a huge difference.
He is getting much more separation on the left and that helps his bat speed. His swing plane is also different on the left, but that may have to do with pitch location.
You are retarded if you think there is more separation on the left.
I don't know how to do the slow motion stuff but I took some stills from the video so the quality sucks but I think I caught what you wanted to see.
This is around the 4:30 mark of the video.
right after contact,the balls are yellow dimple balls
same time as original post
This is around the 4:30 mark of the video.
right after contact,the balls are yellow dimple balls
same time as original post
The best I can tell,the second picture is almost the identical time of the swing and the picture is almost identical to the original.
This kid is a black belt as I mentioned before so he does have great body controll.I believe he gathers his balance very quickly after contact.
This kid is a black belt as I mentioned before so he does have great body controll.I believe he gathers his balance very quickly after contact.
Do you not see the relevance of the back foot being planted as Chameleon has tried to tell you?
Just asking....
Balance as it pertains to swinging a bat, is a very misused term.....
Does this great hitter gather his balance??
http://imageevent.com/siggy/hitting/pro;jsessionid=jei6...&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=9
Just asking....
Balance as it pertains to swinging a bat, is a very misused term.....
Does this great hitter gather his balance??
http://imageevent.com/siggy/hitting/pro;jsessionid=jei6...&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=9
Dynamic balance
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:
You are retarded if you think there is more separation on the left.
Nope, put that in wrong. I meant the right.
You do have to run after hitting,right? His foot is not planted at contact.
His nickname is speedy for a reason.
At contact he is right where you say he needs to be but now he isn't finishing right.Am I getting that right?
His nickname is speedy for a reason.
At contact he is right where you say he needs to be but now he isn't finishing right.Am I getting that right?
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
Do you not see the relevance of the back foot being planted as Chameleon has tried to tell you?
Just asking....
Balance as it pertains to swinging a bat, is a very misused term.....
Does this great hitter gather his balance??
http://imageevent.com/siggy/hitting/pro;jsessionid=jei6...&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=9
Balance...yes.
