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Here is a swing at what should be contact but he missed.
quote:Originally posted by tfox:
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Here is a swing at what should be contact but he missed.
PERFECT!!!
Watch the rear foot action.
The six year old can do it. Can your 8 year old?
The six year old can do it. Can your 8 year old?
quote:Originally posted by tfox:
http://www.leaguelineup.com/photoalbum_display.asp?sid=...=hc8&photoid=1942536
Here is a swing at what should be contact but he missed.
It looks like he went right through it...My 8 year old tried to convince me I threw a whiffle ball through his bat today. Good photo.
quote:not well after contact which is when Bond's foot moves toward the plate.
Obviously you don't know the significance of what Bond's foot does...after contact...compared to what the kid's does.
It tells an important story. One you need to read up on.
Stare at Bond's foot. Stare at the kid's foot.
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And his body moves forward too, huh? Look at the guy in the red shirt in the stands. Bond's foot moves the way it does because of his strength and torque. That's about as obvious as it gets!
quote:Originally posted by micmeister:
And his body moves forward too, huh? Look at the guy in the red shirt in the stands. Bond's foot moves the way it does because of his strength and torque. That's about as obvious as it gets!
Who said his body moved forward?
Another indicator of the ESPN disase....talking out of your ***.
Strength and torque, eh? How much strength and torque would it take to move that foot if his weight remained over the ball of his foot like the kid does?
I'd like to see you get to the toe of your rear foot and then swing the foot around while your weight is over the rear leg to the point of the ball of the foot supporting the weight like the kid does.
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:
Watch the rear foot action.
The six year old can do it. Can your 8 year old?
And you think he looks like the first picture in this thread??? You are scary!
quote:Originally posted by deemax:quote:Originally posted by tfox:
http://www.leaguelineup.com/photoalbum_display.asp?sid=...=hc8&photoid=1942536
Here is a swing at what should be contact but he missed.
It looks like he went right through it...My 8 year old tried to convince me I threw a whiffle ball through his bat today. Good photo.
It was an outside pitch,even off of a machine.His timing was the same as if it was down the middle.This is one of those things he will learn over time.He was the lead off guy and it was his job to let everyone on the team know how the machine was pitching.
quote:The six year old can do it. Can your 8 year old?
Who does the six year old belong to? He's gonna be bear in T-ball.
Stop the video of the 6 year old at the same point and it will look very similar also.look at his back foot as the bat starts crossing his head on the back swing.
Here's a lesson for you two.
The weight goes to the instep and then the heel raises as rotation starts. Therefore, if a ball was sitting right near your rear heel, you wouldn't hit it.
From the youtube video (I'd rather have a frame by frame view) I'd say the kid would knock the ball into the oppo box.
The weight goes to the instep and then the heel raises as rotation starts. Therefore, if a ball was sitting right near your rear heel, you wouldn't hit it.
From the youtube video (I'd rather have a frame by frame view) I'd say the kid would knock the ball into the oppo box.
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:quote:Originally posted by micmeister:
And his body moves forward too, huh? Look at the guy in the red shirt in the stands. Bond's foot moves the way it does because of his strength and torque. That's about as obvious as it gets!
Who said his body moved forward?
Another indicator of the ESPN disase....talking out of your ***.
Strength and torque, eh? How much strength and torque would it take to move that foot if his weight remained over the ball of his foot like the kid does?
I'd like to see you get to the toe of your rear foot and then swing the foot around while your weight is over the rear leg to the point of the ball of the foot supporting the weight like the kid does.
Where is his weight when the only part of his front foot on the ground is his heel? You are scaring me more and more with each post. WATCH THE VIDEO! PLEASE!
quote:machine was pitching.
machines are pretty good for this age because the coaches I watch try to throw strikes to 3'8er's is a joke. The pitching machine leagues put it on a much better plane for the shorter and younger players. Coaches are to tall and to close to the plate to put the ball on a good plane to hit.
I don't know if the Dad wants me to say who the 6 yr old is.
I'll tell you he's playing higher than tee ball and he's tearing it up.......against older kids.
I'll tell you he's playing higher than tee ball and he's tearing it up.......against older kids.
quote:Originally posted by micmeister:quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:quote:Originally posted by micmeister:
And his body moves forward too, huh? Look at the guy in the red shirt in the stands. Bond's foot moves the way it does because of his strength and torque. That's about as obvious as it gets!
Who said his body moved forward?
Another indicator of the ESPN disase....talking out of your ***.
Strength and torque, eh? How much strength and torque would it take to move that foot if his weight remained over the ball of his foot like the kid does?
I'd like to see you get to the toe of your rear foot and then swing the foot around while your weight is over the rear leg to the point of the ball of the foot supporting the weight like the kid does.
Where is his weight when the only part of his front foot on the ground is his heel? You are scaring me more and more with each post. WATCH THE VIDEO! PLEASE!
Let me tell you something pal, when that lead knee locks, halting linear momentum and enhancing rotation, almost every ounce of his weight is into that front leg. That's why the weight goes to the instep and then the heel raises instead of spinning on the rear foot like the kid does.
Two completely different foot actions which mean two completely different swing patterns.
And it's that weight, that forward momentum, and that rotational force that forces that front heel to spin out and the rear leg to swing to the plate.
Another freebie for you.
You're welcome.
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:
I don't know if the Dad wants me to say who the 6 yr old is.
I'll tell you he's playing higher than tee ball and he's tearing it up.......against older kids.
His balance could be improved .... Hes hitting without laces in his shoes. The tongue is flapping everywhere...classic.
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:quote:Originally posted by micmeister:quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:quote:Originally posted by micmeister:
And his body moves forward too, huh? Look at the guy in the red shirt in the stands. Bond's foot moves the way it does because of his strength and torque. That's about as obvious as it gets!
Who said his body moved forward?
Another indicator of the ESPN disase....talking out of your a s s.
Strength and torque, eh? How much strength and torque would it take to move that foot if his weight remained over the ball of his foot like the kid does?
I'd like to see you get to the toe of your rear foot and then swing the foot around while your weight is over the rear leg to the point of the ball of the foot supporting the weight like the kid does.
Where is his weight when the only part of his front foot on the ground is his heel? You are scaring me more and more with each post. WATCH THE VIDEO! PLEASE!
Let me tell you something pal, when that lead knee locks, halting linear momentum and enhancing rotation, almost every ounce of his weight is into that front leg. That's why the weight goes to the instep and then the heel raises instead of spinning on the rear foot like the kid does.
Two completely different foot actions which mean two completely different swing patterns.
And it's that weight, that forward momentum, and that rotational force that forces that front heel to spin out and the rear leg to swing to the plate.
Another freebie for you.
You're welcome.
I am with you that the weight goes into the front leg,but in the photo,it is well after contact and he is coming back down on his rear foot.That isn't where it was at at contact.look at the other link I posted.
He isn't a 250 pound man that is overswinging to the point he can't maintain his balance.Even the 6 year old is coming back down on the back foot during the foolow through.
If you want more, watch the 6 year old's arm setup and hand action.
The 8 year old better learn that also.
The 6 year old's barrel rotation is centered in the hands.
The 8 year old's barrel rotation is centered in his spine. That is a LONG swing.
The 6 year old will have earlier batspeed and higher pitch adjustability than the 8 year old.
Better fix it now while it's easy.
The 8 year old better learn that also.
The 6 year old's barrel rotation is centered in the hands.
The 8 year old's barrel rotation is centered in his spine. That is a LONG swing.
The 6 year old will have earlier batspeed and higher pitch adjustability than the 8 year old.
Better fix it now while it's easy.
I have based my comments on the youtube video.
Post a clip that can be viewed frame by frame.
I'm betting you don't see the 6 year old's foot action.
I see the 8 year old spinning and I see him spinning on the ball of his rear foot.
His rear heel would hit a ball sitting right behind his rear foot and knock it into the oppo box.
Prove me wrong with a clip other than youtube.
It may be possible.
Post a clip that can be viewed frame by frame.
I'm betting you don't see the 6 year old's foot action.
I see the 8 year old spinning and I see him spinning on the ball of his rear foot.
His rear heel would hit a ball sitting right behind his rear foot and knock it into the oppo box.
Prove me wrong with a clip other than youtube.
It may be possible.
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:
If you want more, watch the 6 year old's arm setup and hand action.
The 8 year old better learn that also.
The 6 year old's barrel rotation is centered in the hands.
The 8 year old's barrel rotation is centered in his spine.
The 6 year old will have earlier batspeed and higher pitch adjustability than the 8 year old.
Better fix it now while it's easy.
And burn him out by the time he is 15
He has only had about 1/2 dozen actuall lessons.
Schenk (Chameleon, "a lizard that changes it's color to hide and adapts to it's surroundings to evade predators"), being the bigger man, I will let that little barb go.
Best of luck to your Billiards bar and it's success, BTW, it's about time you added chicken strips to your menu.
Also, I may be in STL in Jan 08, so be ready with the best wings in the STL.
Best of luck to your Billiards bar and it's success, BTW, it's about time you added chicken strips to your menu.
Also, I may be in STL in Jan 08, so be ready with the best wings in the STL.
Richard, and now a freebie for you - Clean up your language or you'll have to reinvent yourself here again. In attempting to make your point, you don't have to resort to using words that are blocked from this site.
tfox, the problem with posting either pictures or video of your child on any site is that they are then open to all types of interpretations. If you ask for the opinions, beware of what you ask for. If I may, if you are uncomfortable with the critique of your child, then only post video of your child on websites that are copyrighted and where you express that you do not want said video reproduced. That is the avenue I've taken with my child.
An observation if I may, I also agree that the picture of the previous year appears to be better. I agree that the most efficient swing is one where the hitter, in the swing process actually comes up on that back toe and often actually has that back toe leave the ground. The St. Louis Post Dispatch had a great picture of the ball Albert Pujos hit out of the new stadium in Houston. The ball has just left the bat and Albert's back toe is off of the ground. I have that picture displayed in my classroom. My daughter was recently very ill. She has just now been able to swing a bat again after being sick for over a month. She reverted back to a swing that was more squishing the bug than getting her hips cleared. We've worked on that and only that this week. When she finally started feeling that finish again, the ball began to leave the park. In the most recent pic of your son, he is losing a lot of power potential and yes, I also agree that when the pitching becomes better, he'll struggle.
If you want to pm me on some thoughts, I'd be glad to give you some recommendations. These are just my observations and my opinion. My opinion and $6.00 will get you an extra value meal at Micky D's.
tfox, the problem with posting either pictures or video of your child on any site is that they are then open to all types of interpretations. If you ask for the opinions, beware of what you ask for. If I may, if you are uncomfortable with the critique of your child, then only post video of your child on websites that are copyrighted and where you express that you do not want said video reproduced. That is the avenue I've taken with my child.
An observation if I may, I also agree that the picture of the previous year appears to be better. I agree that the most efficient swing is one where the hitter, in the swing process actually comes up on that back toe and often actually has that back toe leave the ground. The St. Louis Post Dispatch had a great picture of the ball Albert Pujos hit out of the new stadium in Houston. The ball has just left the bat and Albert's back toe is off of the ground. I have that picture displayed in my classroom. My daughter was recently very ill. She has just now been able to swing a bat again after being sick for over a month. She reverted back to a swing that was more squishing the bug than getting her hips cleared. We've worked on that and only that this week. When she finally started feeling that finish again, the ball began to leave the park. In the most recent pic of your son, he is losing a lot of power potential and yes, I also agree that when the pitching becomes better, he'll struggle.
If you want to pm me on some thoughts, I'd be glad to give you some recommendations. These are just my observations and my opinion. My opinion and $6.00 will get you an extra value meal at Micky D's.
quote:And burn him out by the time he is 15
It doesnt have to be this extreme. If your son learns the proper actions when he's young its much easier to refine and develope as he gets older. Keep it fun for him and always build him up.
quote:Originally posted by Glove Man:
Also, I may be in STL in Jan 08, so be ready with the best wings in the STL.
If you make it to St. Louis and don't give me a phone call, I'll be upset. Perhaps we can go vist this local establishment called Teachers for some hot wings. I believe that the proprieter will have them on the house. Then again, maybe not.
I will be coaching basketball again and so, I hope that won't cause any conflict.
quote:Originally posted by tfox:quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:
If you want more, watch the 6 year old's arm setup and hand action.
The 8 year old better learn that also.
The 6 year old's barrel rotation is centered in the hands.
The 8 year old's barrel rotation is centered in his spine.
The 6 year old will have earlier batspeed and higher pitch adjustability than the 8 year old.
Better fix it now while it's easy.
And burn him out by the time he is 15
He has only had about 1/2 dozen actuall lessons.
The 6 yr old's dad works with him for about 15 minutes at a time here and there.
quote:Originally posted by Glove Man:
Schenk (Chameleon, "a lizard that changes it's color to hide and adapts to it's surroundings to evade predators"), being the bigger man, I will let that little barb go.
Best of luck to your Billiards bar and it's success, BTW, it's about time you added chicken strips to your menu.
Also, I may be in STL in Jan 08, so be ready with the best wings in the STL.
We reserve the right to refuse service to those who don't live up to their gender.
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:quote:Originally posted by micmeister:quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:quote:Originally posted by micmeister:
And his body moves forward too, huh? Look at the guy in the red shirt in the stands. Bond's foot moves the way it does because of his strength and torque. That's about as obvious as it gets!
Who said his body moved forward?
Another indicator of the ESPN disase....talking out of your ***.
Strength and torque, eh? How much strength and torque would it take to move that foot if his weight remained over the ball of his foot like the kid does?
I'd like to see you get to the toe of your rear foot and then swing the foot around while your weight is over the rear leg to the point of the ball of the foot supporting the weight like the kid does.
Where is his weight when the only part of his front foot on the ground is his heel? You are scaring me more and more with each post. WATCH THE VIDEO! PLEASE!
Let me tell you something pal, when that lead knee locks, halting linear momentum and enhancing rotation, almost every ounce of his weight is into that front leg. That's why the weight goes to the instep and then the heel raises instead of spinning on the rear foot like the kid does.
Two completely different foot actions which mean two completely different swing patterns.
And it's that weight, that forward momentum, and that rotational force that forces that front heel to spin out and the rear leg to swing to the plate.
Another freebie for you.
You're welcome.
If I thought I needed a lesson from you I'd give up baseball altogether! The forward momentum of the bathead is produced by the top hand and it only lasts a split second. The bat, body, and hands should all be moving in a circular motion throughout the rest of the swing. Meaning, before and shortly after contact and that, not back to front motion. You are correct in that all most all of his weight goes into his front leg, but it is at contact only. Watch the 6 year old's foot after contact. How does he end up on his back heel if his momentum is going forward??? As Mr. Fox notes, the position at contact and at the same point in the second still frame of the two kids is almost identical and they are both spinning around an axis over their back thigh (Epstein). Now, all of the hitters you showed do not do that, but most of them do. Some end up like the first still picture (Charlie Lao).
quote:had a great picture of the ball Albert Pujos hit out of the new stadium in Houston.
Thanks for the memories Coach! I've tried to forget that particular moment in Astros history!
I was good until that homerun, homerun, homerun(head and shoulder flinching).....
mic
Watch the youtube clips again.
Need a napkin?
Watch the youtube clips again.
Need a napkin?
I never said I was having problems with the critique.
I have also been trying to get him to load up more on his front foot but I am not pushing him to the point it isn't fun.
He is squating on the rear foot in the pic but that is well after contact.The youtube video does have some where he is spinning and others where he is driving.
The first picture,his whole body is moving forward,before,during and after contact.
I have also been trying to get him to load up more on his front foot but I am not pushing him to the point it isn't fun.
He is squating on the rear foot in the pic but that is well after contact.The youtube video does have some where he is spinning and others where he is driving.
The first picture,his whole body is moving forward,before,during and after contact.
The fix starts with the proper use of the hands.
The lower body is slave to the upper body. The lower body will adapt to the task presented by the upper body.
Using the hands properly helps the body separate which is important to the whip or cusp, which is where swing quickness comes from.
Change the upper body to what the 6 year old is doing and you'll take a significant step forward.
Currently your son is swinging with brute force rotation. He's athletic and he's using that athletic ability.
What he's not doing is developing the mechanical advantage that the body can develop....and that all high level hitters do. From this advantage comes the quickness and the power.
Learn to separate the upper and the lower body that leads to a "cusp" and the "stretch and fire" release of the barrel.
Watch Bond's separate and how he does it. Upper body going rearward as the lower body goes forward. Something has to give...........KAPOW...at the cusp.
The lower body is slave to the upper body. The lower body will adapt to the task presented by the upper body.
Using the hands properly helps the body separate which is important to the whip or cusp, which is where swing quickness comes from.
Change the upper body to what the 6 year old is doing and you'll take a significant step forward.
Currently your son is swinging with brute force rotation. He's athletic and he's using that athletic ability.
What he's not doing is developing the mechanical advantage that the body can develop....and that all high level hitters do. From this advantage comes the quickness and the power.
Learn to separate the upper and the lower body that leads to a "cusp" and the "stretch and fire" release of the barrel.
Watch Bond's separate and how he does it. Upper body going rearward as the lower body goes forward. Something has to give...........KAPOW...at the cusp.
quote:We reserve the right to refuse service to those who don't live up to their gender.
Oh, I definately live up to my gender..... nope you will not entrap me as you have in the past.
BTW, you never answered my question, how did your brief intro to LilHit15 go? Did you give him any pointers?
quote:Originally posted by tfox:
I never said I was having problems with the critique.
I understand that but did want to mention it since there are some big hitters here and so, they can walk a very fine line between constuctive criticism and being down right mean.
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:
The fix starts with the proper use of the hands.
The lower body is slave to the upper body. The lower body will adapt to the task presented by the upper body.
Change the upper body to what the 6 year old is doing and you'll take a significant step forward.
So it is quite possible if we get the arm barring problem fixed,that we have just started working on,it would help him load up.
Kinda a retorical question.His coach and I recognize problem areas.We are working on them.I never said it was perfect.
The proper use of the hands is very similar to what you would do to open this vault door from a batters stance. Assume the handle turns in the direction you need it to (righty or lefty)
Assume the orange line is the handle and that it fits the angle of your hands in your stance. Grab the handle at the spot your hands would be in your stance..........one hand on top of the other like on a bat......turn the handle.
You will feel the top hand going rearward as the hands torque the handle. If it takes some effort to turn the handle (as if it's stuck a little) you'll feel the shoulders laterally tilt and you'll feel the hip project forward and separate the body against the resistance created by the hands on the handle.
Watch Barry turn the vault door and create the separation in his swing.
The barrel's rotation is about the hands.....not the spine.
This is very similar to how mlb players launch their swing.
The hands eventually move from the armpit/shoulder area as rotation takes over. But watch how they turn the vault door from a fairly stationery position for several frames.
The initiation of the swing is critcial. The hands start the swing. The body reacts to the instructions from the hands.
Give the hands the proper instruction and watch the body organize itself to assist the performance.
Most hitters would yank the handle off the door with their swing.....they would not turn the handle.....because they use the arms too much. This is also true of those who use shoulder rotation to turn the barrel.
tfox, I've sent you a private message.
quote:Originally posted by tfox:quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:
The fix starts with the proper use of the hands.
The lower body is slave to the upper body. The lower body will adapt to the task presented by the upper body.
Change the upper body to what the 6 year old is doing and you'll take a significant step forward.
I also have a picture of him in the middle of his swing and his hips are just about gone and his shoulders are started BUT his arm is locked out.Hands are still back but arm is locked out.He is getting good separation.The arm barring is a problem right now but we worked on the hips and separation first.
So it is quite possible if we get the arm barring problem fixed,that we have just started working on,it would help him load up.
Kinda a retorical question.His coach and I recognize problem areas.We are working on them.I never said it was perfect.
Trying to sell memberships to a forum Richard..... NICE!!!!
Learn to separate the upper and the lower body that leads to a "cusp" and the "stretch and fire" release of the barrel.
Watch Bond's separate and how he does it. Upper body going rearward as the lower body goes forward. Something has to give...........KAPOW...at the cusp.
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Mr. Fox,
This portion of what Chameleon says is the only thing useful in his post, forget the rest! If your son doesn't feel a stretch in his front shoulder and front tricep, he will be losing power and bat speed.
Watch Bond's separate and how he does it. Upper body going rearward as the lower body goes forward. Something has to give...........KAPOW...at the cusp.
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Mr. Fox,
This portion of what Chameleon says is the only thing useful in his post, forget the rest! If your son doesn't feel a stretch in his front shoulder and front tricep, he will be losing power and bat speed.
Coach you know I will deffinately give you a buzz! And dinner is on me! .... maybe literally!
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