Tim Tebow

CD,
Like you I have never been a Tebow fan or a Gator fan in spite of the fact that my parents are avid(or rabid) fans.

However, a trip they made to Gainesville last fall changed all that. They were fortunate to attend a couple of closed practices and spend some time talking with Tebow and several other players as well as the coaching staff. Tebow and Riley Cooper were especially attentive to my elderly dad and even made several pictures with him. They also spent time talking with my mom while dad talked to the coaches. It was evident by the expression on the faces of Tebow and Cooper what true gentlemen they are. They are a credit to their families and also to the U of F.

I may not always be a U of F fan but I will always be a Tebow fan - first class all the way. He exhibits the behavior we all want our sons to display. Thanks for being one of the good guys, Tim.

Having watched the guy live, kick my team all over the field in the Sugar Bowl...and having watched the guy enjoy life before the game running post routes pre-game while a coach threw to him and interact freely, happily and "professionally" with my team's players on the field...I'm a Tebow fan and I am darn happy for him tonight.

It seems that when ever there is an athlete that has the perception of being that "All-American Wholesome Good Guy", many of us cast doubts. I'll admit, I do it! However, with Tebow he really does possess that entire Package...He Walks the Walk, and IMO he's All That & More! I don't know what type of NFL QB he'll end up being? But I wouldn't bet against him! Tim Tebow deserves all the accolades coming his way. Denver is getting a very good football player, a Great Person & dare I say role model for the kids!

Just step back and think about the QB's who came out of the Florida system, a great college football system, who were busts in the NFL.

I am not a Clausen fan but I think he better prepared for the pros than Tebow--we do not need roles models in the sports arena--we need athletes--role models are found in your home and family.

Tebow is a great athlete and great college football player but so have many others---that does not always translate into being a great NFL player

I agree with you TR...especially this one:

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...role models are found in your home and family...

But I'm still happy for the guy and I like him.

I think you can have both - character and athleticism. Look at Big Ben. Yuck. Sorry, as good as he is I will never look at him with any sort of athletic admiration. Ever.

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Originally posted by baseball_fever:
I think you can have both - character and athleticism.

I'm with you... give me a great athlete is who is also a great role model. I've always been a Tebow fan, even if we're not huge Florida fans here in KY. He's an outstanding young man and I wish him tons of success in every way!!

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Originally posted by TRhit:
Just step back and think about the QB's who came out of the Florida system, a great college football system, who were busts in the NFL.

I am not a Clausen fan but I think he better prepared for the pros than Tebow--we do not need roles models in the sports arena--we need athletes--role models are found in your home and family.

Tebow is a great athlete and great college football player but so have many others---that does not always translate into being a great NFL player.

1) All of them. The best (?) NFL QB Meyer has coached in college is Alex Smith who the 49ers are looking to replace.

2) The concern on Clausen is he has physically peaked. Personally, I don't care if a player is an ax murderer as long as he doesn't live in my neighborhood. Being a role model is a plus.

3) The draft is a cr@pshoot. There are many busts. One thing about Tebow, if he doesn't make it, it will be about talent and not any ridiculous stuff like a Dez Bryant who is a real talent and can't miss prospect if he wasn't such a clown.

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While Tebow is a Christian before he's a football player there are people who feel he has an agenda. They feel football is the avenue for the agenda. Several articles have been written on this over the past few months.

That's a really naive view by a writter with an agenda. It assumes you can't love football and be a believer (regardless of your religion of preference). The guy is both and lives out both in his life. The guys that write stuff like that believe there's a conspiracy theory behind everything.

Tebow must be the only Christian in the NFL.

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Originally posted by RJM:
Now it's time for Tebow to step into the background with his scout team jersey (he'll be the third string qb) and clipboard and earn the right to start over the next two or three years.

He's earned everything he's gotten so far and I don't expect him to stop now.

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Congratulations to Tebow! Like any other player selected, I have no idea how he will pan out but I'm glad he is getting an opportunity.

Though I also believe parents are the role models for their children it is sure nice to have someone in the spotlight who by their character reinforces what I as a parent am trying to teach.

I say "humbug" to those that try to convince that Tebow has some hidden agenda. Why is there so much need to find skeletons in someone else's closet?

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Originally posted by TRhit:
--we do not need roles models in the sports arena--we need athletes--role models are found in your home and family.

I agree with the sentiment, but if a star athlete is also a role model then I say all the better. Whether we like it or not a lot of kids emulate these guys. Might as well have some good ones for them to look up to.

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we do not need roles models in the sports arena--we need athletes--role models are found in your home and family

Conceptually, I agree completely. But, it doesn't play out that way in reality for a lot of kids. Many of them don't have a father figure at home...or have one they can see is a bad one. Tebow's not a bad balancing weight on that scale! Good kid, lives out his beliefs, works hard...he's got a lot of things going for him.

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Originally posted by bkekcs:
I say "humbug" to those that try to convince that Tebow has some hidden agenda. Why is there so much need to find skeletons in someone else's closet?

If anything, his so-called 'agenda' is right out in the open. He's not hiding anything. I wish I was more like him. He's a great role model for me and other Christians.

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I agree that "role models should be found within your home and families". I've never encouraged my kids to choose athletes, or any public figure as a role model. But I agree with Tx-Husker, many young kids don't have a Father Figure, and look up to the athletes. For me, I honestly don't care if Tebow is a Christian before a Football player...I believe there are other athletes that feel the same, but honestly I could care less either way. I just like the fact that Tim Tebow seems like a Genuine Good Guy...Christian or not, and I'm rooting for him...just not against the Chargers!

If the guy puts his relationship with God ahead of his livelihood, it's hard to see how that can be criticized. In many quarters, that's known as having your head screwed on straight.

If the guy uses his fame to promote his beliefs, I guess that puts him right up there with the PSA's I see on TV where stars tell me that "diversity" is more important than morals, that the planet earth is in such immediate jeopardy that I should radically alter my day-to-day behavior even to the point of costing my neighbor his job, or that starvation in Africa is the result of a lack of charity and not the result of deliberate political oppression by the powers that be there.

I shall now await a series of threads that castigate all celebrities who try to leverage their fame to advance some cause they believe in. Maybe we should open up another forum, because those threads will soon number in the thousands.

What ever happened to, "I disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"? If you don't like what Tebow has to say, you have the right to stop paying attention to him. Why isn't that enough for some of us?

Only one thing to say about this topic: Ad nauseam.

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Originally posted by RJM:
I don't care if a player is an ax murderer as long as he doesn't live in my neighborhood. Being a role model is a plus.

I hope you're being facetious.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
--we do not need roles models in the sports arena--we need athletes--role models are found in your home and family.

Whether you see the need or not is irrelevant. Athletes, more than ever, and thanks to the ever expanding exposure from the traditional media and the "new" media, ARE role models. The kids DO watch what they do and say.

They can either be good role models or bad role models, but there is nothing you can do to stop them from being role models.

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by RJM:
I don't care if a player is an ax murderer as long as he doesn't live in my neighborhood. Being a role model is a plus.

I hope you're being facetious.

It's a rhetorical statement. I don't care about the player's character as long as he doesn't live in my neighborhood. We did once have a player in our neighborhood who was a PITA. His entire family were uppity PITA's.

I coached in a small town where we were the only hs. All the kids in our town look up to my players. They grow up wanting to play for the hs team. Many of our games you will see these kids lined up at the dugout to come on the field after the game to talk to the players. They come to our camps so they can be instructed by our players. Hang out with them in the dug out and eat lunch with them.

When my son and his best friend were in HS the kids would come on the field and get autographs from them. Signed baseballs. My sons Jr and Sr year when he and his best friend Pratt would get up they would run to the outfield hoping for a home run ball. And after the game they would sign it for the kids. Pratt's fans would wear NC State gear to the games. Jeffs fans would wear UNC gear to the games.

YES you are a role model even if you don't want to be. Even if you don't think you should be. Many times after games parents of younger kids would want to talk to these boys and ask them questions and get to know them. We have had other players that while they were in hs were looked upon the same way. And all of our players are role models because all of them in these kids eyes are doing something that they want to do one day.

Carry yourself in a manner that brings respect to yourself , your family , your school , your program , your coaches , your community. Understand that there is someone out there that looks up to you and see's you as a role model. Be worthy of the respect you are given.

Others can believe what they want to believe I don't have a problem with that. Others can think what they want to think thats their opinion. But I demand if your going to wear a uniform on a team I coach that you carry yourself in a manner that warrants the respect that you are given. If you dont you wont wear that uniform very long.

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Carry yourself in a manner that brings respect to yourself , your family , your school , your program , your coaches , your community. Understand that there is someone out there that looks up to you and see's you as a role model. Be worthy of the respect you are given.

I expect my son to carry himself in a respectful manner. I told him I never want to hear he was the clown making a horse's behind of himself at Burger King like I've seen other kids. But he's part of my family.

I have zero expectations of pro athletes. After pointing out we had a PITA pro athlete in our neighborhood I will add we've had classy pro athletes in the community as well. Want to make a kid smile? Walk down the street and take a few shots with the kids and let them score on you when you're an NBA player.

There's a reason nice guys finish last and jerks succeed. An example would be Tiger Woods vs. Scott Hoch who is one of the nicest people you could ever meet. Caring about people and what they think can be a handicap when it comes to "getting ahead".

There are nice guys who have just as much drive to succeed. I hope Tebow is one of them.

I don't either. But many young kids out there do. So just because I dont need role models and you dont need role models does not mean this world does not.

The fact is kids look up the ball players. They aspire to be what they are. JMO

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Originally posted by RJM:

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

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Originally posted by RJM:
I don't care if a player is an ax murderer as long as he doesn't live in my neighborhood. Being a role model is a plus.

I hope you're being facetious.

It's a rhetorical statement. I don't care about the player's character as long as he doesn't live in my neighborhood. We did once have a player in our neighborhood who was a PITA. His entire family were uppity PITA's.

Help me out here. "Rhetorical" as in persuasive? Rhetorical as in insincere? Rhetorical as in effective speech? Rhetorical as in obvious and without need of explanation or answer?

Personally, I would prefer child molesters, rapists, murdering thugs and other felons not be in role model positions. But, to each his own.

Rhetorical as in hyperbole.

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Originally posted by CADad:
Rhetorical as in hyperbole.

I don't find that definition for rhetorical in any of my three dictionaries.

I don't think Tebow will make it in the pros. He has no arm and lacks the tools to be an NFL QB.

What is a PITA?

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Originally posted by zombywoof:
I don't think Tebow will make it in the pros. He has no arm and lacks the tools to be an NFL QB.

What tools exactly? In the NFL Combine, Tim Tebow was the best quarterback in four out of seven drill categories: the Vertical Jump (38.5 inch vertical, the best in combine history, is higher than Michael Vick's 38), 3-Cone Drill, 20-Yard Shuttle, 60-Yard Shuttle. In the 40-Yard Dash, Tebow clocked in a 4.72 second time (4.90 is good).

I think he threw 88 TD passes at FL. I guess those guys at the Denver Broncos just don't know much about football.

He don't have the arm for an NFL QB, has bad footwork, bad passing mechanics and played in a run-option offense. That's why I think he'll he an NFL bust. What he did in college won't translate in the NFL

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Originally posted by zombywoof:
What he did in college won't translate in the NFL

Didn't all the draftees just finish playing college?

It doesn't really matter what we believe. It's all a big c r a p shoot anyway. You and I both will be watching Denver for the next few years (but for different reasons).

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"What is a PITA?"

I've certainly been considered one.

TR has a whole wing cheek devoted to him in the PITA Hall of Fame.

PITA, simply put is-

Pain
In
The
A...

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And all along I thought PITA was a bread

Say what you want about Tim Tebow. Yeah, I know I was seeing things, but it sure looked like he beat the Jets in the last minute all by himself.

The Jets handed the Broncos the game with a missed field goal, thirteen yard punt and an interception for a touchdown. Tebow was 9-20 for 104 yards. A lot of his passes are way off the mark. All it's going to take to expose Tebow is a good team getting up a couple of scores forcing the Broncos to pass. I also can't see the Broncos holding good teams to under twenty points.

The Jets were hurt by not having their top two runnings backs. They normally try to put Sanchez in position to not lose the game. Sanchez was incapable of carrying the team.

Do you remember Bobby Douglass. He ran for 968 yards and threw horribly. Finally a just as big and fast linebacker squared up on him and crushed him.

The Broncos still haven't beaten a good team. When they played the Lions they fell behind and Tebow looked awful. Good and the Lions in the same sentence, LOL! Let's see how Tebow does against the Bears and Patriots. The Patriots don't have a good defense. But they will score points and get ahead forcing Tebow to throw.

The Broncos won't win playoff games with this offense. Tebow won't be the quarterback when the Broncos are a championship potential team.

Before anyone says Elway stunk his first year, the game has changed. With the way colleges play offense now quarterbacks step right in to the NFL. There are a lot of first and second year QB's having better years than Tebow.

Yes, his first 58 minutes were rough. Some balls were way off. I don't know how he did it, but, in the end, he won.

Crazy, but the Broncos AND the Jets are 5-5.

And I do remember Bobby Douglass. He was just as fun to watch.

All I know is that I was a happy camper the first 58 minutes of that game. My Fantasy Football team was playing against a team with Tebow. I loved it, Tebow's Fantasy numbers were pathetic...but you gotta hand it to him, if the game is close, the kid figures a way to get it done, and in doing so, finished with decent numbers (Fantasy Wise!) and another "W".