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Tim Tebow

observer44observer441,000+ posts
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Originally posted by smalltownmom:
A recent topic was about one liners that had a major impression on our lives. I said, "sleep on it." My Dad always told me never to make an emotional deciion or response-- but sleep on it. It will keep you out of trouble and lead to a well intentioned deciion you will feel comfortable with. I have been upset many times in my life, but really try to sleep on arguments, big decisions, etc, and have found I generally have a better feel for the situation on a little rest. Just sharing something that works for me.

When I came on to this webite I was so excited for the community I had found with others sharing a common bond. It seems as there have been more arguments recently, and I just don't understand the need. I saw the Tebow topic as harmless fun. I agree with most everyone that Tebow is a breath of fresh air. If the players from Denver buy in and believe him to be their leader, I don't see how we should be jealous or determined to prove he doesn't belong in the NFL. He may not have the passing skill sets of others, but he excites the crowd and his team. Like already stated, his career might not be the longest, but I think he can live with that. I have never felt he was demonizing other faiths-- just celebrating his. When I hear him talk I smile. He has that affect on people. I think being happy is a choice-- and I choose to be happy.

I got to meet Josh last spring, and he is a great young man. I enjoy reading his blogs and what he has to say on this site. I have learned from so many, but the coolest thing is our desire for all of these young men who play the game to succeed: as ballplayers and in becoming young men.

I am afraid fusses like this are going to scare off newcomers to the site. That would be a disappointment, because it truly is a great site where everyone has something valuable to give.


Not to worry...we go off on tangents periodically...we've done it for the years I have been here...we come back...we make up...we move on...the communty itself is far stronger than the disagreements...you'll rarely find an "open" site with this kind of cohesion...and we have real leadership...

Cool 44
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P Prime91,000+ posts
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Originally posted by TPM:
Smart guy that Cool44!

Another win for the Broncos AND..drum roll, the MIAMI DOLPHINS!!!!!!


looking, listening and learning does that for you; Observer44 has the art mastered!

TPM, oh I miss the years of Griese, Csonka, Kick, Scott followed by Marino and Super Duper! I hope it's true that everything goes in cycles cuz they must be due for an upswing soon? When I returned from the service, going to the Orange Bowl to watch the Dolphins was my "therapy." Not sure it worked though!
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RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
A purely football approach to Tebow:

At 1-4 the Broncos became early contenders in the Suck For Luck competition. I'm guessing Broncos management saw a can't lose situation. Don't forget current management didn't draft Tebow. They threw him in there for fan interest. They figured one way or another the Tebow furor plays itself out. If they play better fan interest stays up. If the continued to lose with Tebow, it would be validated Tebow can't get it done, the Broncos get Luck and live happily ever after.

Management has to be privately cringing right now. They can't possibly believe tossing out 85% of the playbook and having a run offense in an era that makes it easy to execute the passing game is a recipe for championship success.

Now they're stuck starting Tebow until the wheels come off or risk local and national negative fan reaction.

Before any points out many successful NFL QB's had rough starts, that was a different era. Today most QB's come out of college have run a pro offense throwing the ball 25-30 times per game. The current NFL rules protecting the passing game make you wonder if Johnny Unitas could make a comeback (and he's dead).

There are many rookie and second year QB's having various levels of success beyond what Tebow has achieved. What they don't have is a defense that has held opposing mediocre teams to 16 points per game in four wins. To me what occurred against the Lions, a playoff contender is more indicative of reality.
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P Prime91,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by RJM:
A purely football approach to Tebow:

At 1-4 the Broncos became early contenders in the Suck For Luck competition. I'm guessing Broncos management saw a can't lose situation. Don't forget current management didn't draft Tebow. They threw him in there for fan interest. They figured one way or another the Tebow furor plays itself out. If they play better fan interest stays up. If the continued to lose with Tebow, it would be validated Tebow can't get it done, the Broncos get Luck and live happily ever after.

Management has to be privately cringing right now. They can't possibly believe tossing out 85% of the playbook and having a run offense in an era that makes it easy to execute the passing game is a recipe for championship success.

Now they're stuck starting Tebow until the wheels come off or risk local and national negative fan reaction.

Before any points out many successful NFL QB's had rough starts, that was a different era. Today most QB's come out of college have run a pro offense throwing the ball 25-30 times per game. The current NFL rules protecting the passing game make you wonder if Johnny Unitas could make a comeback (and he's dead).

There are many rookie and second year QB's having various levels of success beyond what Tebow has achieved. What they don't have is a defense that has held opposing mediocre teams to 16 points per game in four wins. To me what occurred against the Lions, a playoff contender is more indicative of reality.


RJM, Why do you allow facts to get in the way of this feel good story? I'm going to continue to ignore what some believe to be the obvious and enjoy the ride while it lasts! He does make good news!
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P PGStaff10,000+ posts
RJM,

Everyone understands that Tebow's value is not his passing ability.

That Denver defense started off 1-4. Is it possible that Tebow's best attribute is how he effcts the performance of others on the team? Here is a comment from a teammate. “I trust him,” Von Miller said, who had two sacks on the night. “I hope he shut up a bunch of critics today.”

I've never been a big Tebow fan or a fan of the Broncos. I would never get overly interested in watching a Bronco game. However, now I am very interested in the Broncos.

So no matter what anyone thinks about Tebow, I think he is great for NFL business. This is a popular guy whose jersey was the #1 seller before he had even played a game. I'm guessing it must be nearing #1 in sales again. Guessing the TV ratings for Bronco games is skyrocketing, too.

Even while Tebow sat on the bench earlier this year, he was the most talked about reserve ever. He is the only football player that has had 126 replies (and counting) on this baseball site.

Fans from coast to coast are interested in the Broncos. It might not last, but I kind of enjoy it while it lasts. The NFL should be loving this! All fans should be loving this! This is a great story.

For sure Tebow has to keep winning or he will be replaced. I don't know that is what will happen, but I hope it does. I'm not overly religious but I really like this kid!

Here is a comment by NBC Sports writer Mike Florio. I have to agree and I'm sure many others would, too.
"So while I’m not yet a full-blown Tebowmaniac, Tebow is a guy whom I’d like my son to respect, admire, and emulate. And that’s probably the best compliment I can ever give Tebow, or really anyone."

How does anyone dislike someone who makes a comment like this one... I don't remember exactly how it went, but something like this... This games means a lot to me, but that hospital we are building in the Phillipines means so much more. That will actually change peoples lives.
dw8mandw8man10+ posts
I am a fan of Tebow because he is doing what I wish I had a chance to do!

I am a fan of Tebow becuase all the really smart people are saying he can't but he just says give me a chance!

I am a fan of Tebow because he believes in himself and his team now believes in themselves.

I am a life long Bengals fan. They have let me down so many times, but when they do pull off a win or two or get into the playoffs, I am happy as a kid in a candy store.....that is how I feel when watching Tebow play.

I am a fan of Tebow because it is so much fun!
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by PGStaff:
Some people like Tebow, some people hate Tebow.

Think about this...

Tebow built a soup kitchen in Denver to feed the homeless.

Tebow is building a hospital in poverty stricken Phillipines.

I hope he makes a fortune because he obviously wants to help others.
There are many more successful, religious players in the NFL who have done wonderful things in their communities and around the world. Why is publicizing what Tebow does at an ad nauseum rate more special than these players?
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by Innocent Bystander:
Interestingly enough, while Howie Long and Strahan don't think Tebow can have continued success, Johnson and Bradshaw seem to think he can! But what the Sam Hill do defensive ends know anyway...
I have a friend who does sports talk radio. He told me even if both hosts (in this case four people) agree, on the show they will take opposite sides for the sake of debate and ratings. Be careful what you take as real on a sports talk show.
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RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by CADad:
RJM,
Say it ain't so! Colin Cowherd has the courage to say whatever the ratings tell him and he isn't afraid to contradict himself either. I guess that's what you have to do when it is a one person show.
On a one man show all it takes is controversy. When I lived in Southern California Lee Hacksaw Hamilton was the master of enraging people and lighting up the switchboard. It's more about ratings than what they believe.
P PGStaff10,000+ posts
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There are many more successful, religious players in the NFL who have done wonderful things in their communities and around the world. Why is publicizing what Tebow does at an ad nauseum rate more special than these players?


RJM,

The title of this topic is "Tim Tebow". Those other players doing wonderful things are not the topic of this discussion. Surely it doesn't bother you that someone would post these great things that Tebow has done. In fact, all people that give in order to help others deserve some kind words. This one was easy because of the title of the thread. If the title was "Albert Pujols" I could have listed some of the things he has done and I wouldn't have mentioned Tebow at all.
dw8mandw8man10+ posts
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Originally posted by RJM:
quote:
Originally posted by PGStaff:
Some people like Tebow, some people hate Tebow.

Think about this...

Tebow built a soup kitchen in Denver to feed the homeless.

Tebow is building a hospital in poverty stricken Phillipines.

I hope he makes a fortune because he obviously wants to help others.
There are many more successful, religious players in the NFL who have done wonderful things in their communities and around the world. Why is publicizing what Tebow does at an ad nauseum rate more special than these players?


It isn't any more special. You would be as upset if somewhere to talk about them?

I remember watching for hours about Doug Flutie's son and his effort to bring awareness to autism. Did that bother you?

I am trying to stay very open minded, but on a topic about Tim Tebow, you would think it would be appropriate to discuss both the positive and negatives aspects of Tim Tebow. We can bash his throwing skills all day long but, so far, his character is seems to be very good. Is there something wrong with that?
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by PGStaff:
If the title was "Albert Pujols" I could have listed some of the things he has done and I wouldn't have mentioned Tebow at all.
If you informed of charitable things Pujols did I would comment in a positive fashion. Pujols doesn't wear it on his sleeve. He doesn't take a knee and pray when he hits a homer.

I believe Tebow manipulated the media in college to make a public religious statement when he picked up on their discussing his scripture lessons on his eye black. He changed it from week to week once the media picked up on it. Until then it was always John 3:16. His praying in the end zone is just as much "look at me" as some of the dances players do while pointing at their chests. Please don't ask which one I prefer. I prefer players not draw attention to themselves when they are part of a team. It took eleven players to get to the end zone.

Jake Plummer said today if Tebow would stop telling us how much he loves Jesus most fans would be fascinated with his uniqueness and tune in to see if he succeeds rather than half the people rooting for his failure.

(Before someone says Plummer was a bum he was 39-15 as a Broncos starter. He had the misfortune of following a legend at his position.)
dw8mandw8man10+ posts
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Originally posted by RJM:
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Originally posted by PGStaff:
If the title was "Albert Pujols" I could have listed some of the things he has done and I wouldn't have mentioned Tebow at all.
If you informed of charitable things Pujols did I would comment in a positive fashion. Pujols doesn't wear it on his sleeve. He doesn't take a knee and pray when he hits a homer.


So these pictures don't offend you?









He even has a statue of him pointing up.....wonder what the pointing means?

http://www.stltoday.com/sports...53-0019bb30f31a.html

"Pujols told the crowd, 20-people deep in places, that he points "to remind me it's not about me. It's about Jesus Christ."
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O oldmanmoses1,000+ posts
As a long time reader of this site I never thought my first post would be non baseball related but I just had to post some feelings on this topic. It flabbergast me the vitriol wich is being heaped on this young man,remember that young man. Most fans bowed down in awe of Reggie White and his prayer circle in the middle of the field before and after games. He is talked about in very different tones about his religiousity then young Tebow. We have crusifix's coming out of our ears on the baseball field on players necks, we have a ton of players who cross themselves as they take there place in the batters box, kiss there fingers and point skyward in EVERY at bat, not just in post game press conferences. Crossing home plate they cross themselves again and point skyward. What ,pray tell is the difference? There is none. If you are going to ctitique this kid for his on the field play, fair enough, but to totally trash this young man is, quite frankly rotten and kinda smells of jealousy. I suggest we leave this alone and go back to baseball.
IB Innocent Bystander500+ posts
When my oldest was in high school, college and after college he almost always had a Bible reference printed on the bottom of his brim, on his glove and on his shoes...
I really admire Tebow's courage to openly serve the God he believes in, and doing it in a way without condemning others. It's still a free country and it'd be a much better country if we had more young men like him.
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by dw8man:
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Originally posted by RJM:
quote:
Originally posted by PGStaff:
If the title was "Albert Pujols" I could have listed some of the things he has done and I wouldn't have mentioned Tebow at all.
If you informed of charitable things Pujols did I would comment in a positive fashion. Pujols doesn't wear it on his sleeve. He doesn't take a knee and pray when he hits a homer.


So these pictures don't offend you?









He even has a statue of him pointing up.....wonder what the pointing means?

http://www.stltoday.com/sports...53-0019bb30f31a.html

"Pujols told the crowd, 20-people deep in places, that he points "to remind me it's not about me. It's about Jesus Christ."
I previously posted a point to the sky or crossing one's self is not drawing attention to themselves like kneeling in the endzone and praying.
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by Innocent Bystander:
When my oldest was in high school, college and after college he almost always had a Bible reference printed on the bottom of his brim, on his glove and on his shoes...
Did he wave it in the faces of all the fans? What your son did was personal.
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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I remember watching for hours about Doug Flutie's son and his effort to bring awareness to autism. Did that bother you?
We would hear once a game about Flutie's son and his charity. It stopped there. Flutie did not advertise it on his uniform as Tebow did on his eyeblack. Flutie did not draw attention to his charity when he scored a touchdown. Flutie did not begin every interview discussing his charity. He only responded when asked. No one ever tried to convince anyone else Flutie was a future NFL stud in the making despite his collegiate exploits. His flaws were noticed and accepted. All of this made it a great story when Flutie finally got his big shot in the NFL and had a storybook year.

Jim Kelly and Boomer Essiason also had charities related to their kid's disabilities. It would be mentioned once and the announcers moved on. Neither on ever drew attention to themselves when they scored a touchdown.

Now let's try a quarterback closer to the Tebow situation; Kurt Warner. I watched a lot of Rams football. I had Rams season tickets for years even though I never stopped being a Patriots fan first. I continued to follow the Rams through NFL ticket after they moved and I moved. I don't recollect Warner ever making himself the center of attention when he scored. I never remember anything more than a quick "I would like to thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ" before moving on with the interview.

I've heard Tebow refer to Jesus throughout interviews. When asked about the 95 yard drive he gave credit to Jesus Christ rather than just thanking Jesus for giving him strength. I can picture a day where one of his linemen let's his man through, Tebow gets rocked and the lineman says, "Gee Tim, I guess Jesus missed his block."

My Tebow post today was about nothing but football. Everyone else wants to keep bringing back to religion. So don't blame me if the diuscussion is about religion.
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itsinthegameitsinthegame5,000+ posts
I could care less what anyone's religion is - or how they show it - as long as they don't tread on me. Just dont touch me with the incense or the cross or whatever the hell else you are holding.

As a player - regardless of whether Tebow bows to Buddha - or to Jesus - my job would be to pummel him as hard as I could - every single time.

Seperate him from the ball - and stop him from beating my team.

I would be more than happy to apologize to whatever God is preferred after the game is over and my team and I walk off the field with a win.

RJM - I think Jesus would be a **** good lineman. Just my opinion but I would rather not have to tangle with him.
dw8mandw8man10+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by RJM:
quote:
I remember watching for hours about Doug Flutie's son and his effort to bring awareness to autism. Did that bother you?
We would hear once a game about Flutie's son and his charity. It stopped there. Flutie did not advertise it on his uniform as Tebow did on his eyeblack. Flutie did not draw attention to his charity when he scored a touchdown. Flutie did not begin every interview discussing his charity. He only responded when asked. No one ever tried to convince anyone else Flutie was a future NFL stud in the making despite his collegiate exploits. His flaws were noticed and accepted. All of this made it a great story when Flutie finally got his big shot in the NFL and had a storybook year.

Jim Kelly and Boomer Essiason also had charities related to their kid's disabilities. It would be mentioned once and the announcers moved on. Neither on ever drew attention to themselves when they scored a touchdown.

Now let's try a quarterback closer to the Tebow situation; Kurt Warner. I watched a lot of Rams football. I had Rams season tickets for years even though I never stopped being a Patriots fan first. I continued to follow the Rams through NFL ticket after they moved and I moved. I don't recollect Warner ever making himself the center of attention when he scored. I never remember anything more than a quick "I would like to thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ" before moving on with the interview.

I've heard Tebow refer to Jesus throughout interviews. When asked about the 95 yard drive he gave credit to Jesus Christ rather than just thanking Jesus for giving him strength. I can picture a day where one of his linemen let's his man through, Tebow gets rocked and the lineman says, "Gee Tim, I guess Jesus missed his block."

My Tebow post today was about nothing but football. Everyone else wants to keep bringing back to religion. So don't blame me if the diuscussion is about religion.


RJM,

I appreciate your replies and understand better where you are coming from. To be honest, I am not a big fan of over the top displays of religion as I find most of them to be dishonest and for show only. I can see how Tebow's actions can be offensive to some and/or detraction to others.

For me, I have to give him credit for what I interpret as an honest young man's attempt to handle the spot light in the best way he knows how.

It will be interesting to see how all this plays out......
N njbb1,000+ posts
Many professional athletes believe their sport is a tool given to them by God to be used to shed his light.

I was surprised to learn that this is a big part of pro baseball. There is Baseball Chapel. /www.baseballchapel.org also PAO www.pao.org/conferences/baseball/index.html
FCA www.fca.org
My sons old Club gave out a book of scriptures to all their players. The GM feels the way for players to handle failure is to have a relationship with Christ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yfNbmrgA9w
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