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MTHMTH10,000+ posts
WOW. I was thinking exactly the same thing this morning. Douglas was nothing if not exciting. And a lot more interesting than Jack Concannon and Virgil Carter.

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Originally posted by RJM:
Do you remember Bobby Douglass. He ran for 968 yards and threw horribly. Finally a just as big and fast linebacker squared up on him and crushed him.
EdgarFanEdgarFan500+ posts
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Originally posted by bsbl247:
All I know is that I was a happy camper the first 58 minutes of that game. My Fantasy Football team was playing against a team with Tebow. I loved it, Tebow's Fantasy numbers were pathetic...but you gotta hand it to him, if the game is close, the kid figures a way to get it done, and in doing so, finished with decent numbers (Fantasy Wise!) and another "W".


I am in two fantasy leagues, and in the one where my team sucks (tons of injuries), I have Tebo as a QB. He's nerve-wracking from that standpoint, but the kid is a winner.

I am a guy fairly inclined toward wanting to measure most things statistically, but that kid is not only a winner but a leader. You may not be able to measure everyting he brings to the table, but those intangibles are real, IMO.
observer44observer441,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Coach_May:
I coached in a small town where we were the only hs. All the kids in our town look up to my players. They grow up wanting to play for the hs team. Many of our games you will see these kids lined up at the dugout to come on the field after the game to talk to the players. They come to our camps so they can be instructed by our players. Hang out with them in the dug out and eat lunch with them.

When my son and his best friend were in HS the kids would come on the field and get autographs from them. Signed baseballs. My sons Jr and Sr year when he and his best friend Pratt would get up they would run to the outfield hoping for a home run ball. And after the game they would sign it for the kids. Pratt's fans would wear NC State gear to the games. Jeffs fans would wear UNC gear to the games.

YES you are a role model even if you don't want to be. Even if you don't think you should be. Many times after games parents of younger kids would want to talk to these boys and ask them questions and get to know them. We have had other players that while they were in hs were looked upon the same way. And all of our players are role models because all of them in these kids eyes are doing something that they want to do one day.

Carry yourself in a manner that brings respect to yourself , your family , your school , your program , your coaches , your community. Understand that there is someone out there that looks up to you and see's you as a role model. Be worthy of the respect you are given.

Others can believe what they want to believe I don't have a problem with that. Others can think what they want to think thats their opinion. But I demand if your going to wear a uniform on a team I coach that you carry yourself in a manner that warrants the respect that you are given. If you dont you wont wear that uniform very long.



YOu know TPM...I think Coach May has a higher power looking down on hm as well...

...another Devine post...Thanks Coach!


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RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
I don't like Tim Tebow as a role model. I don't like people shoving their religion down my throat. Tebow manipulated the media in college when he relaized they picked up on what scripture he wrote on his eye black. He used his Heisman visibility and the Super Bowl to profess his pro life views to the world.

I also don't want to hear Jesus Christ helped him when asked about the 95 yard drive. Religion is a personal matter. I don't like it when people get into my space espousing their religion.

The Lord does not pick winners and losers in sporting events. Faith may provide the strength to compete. There are players on both sides of strong faith regardless of the faith. Personally I don't care if a guy worships and hugs trees if it gives him the strength to make good decisions. But I don't want to hear about it.

The final drive was about Tebow's legs and ultimately the Jets stupid decision to blitz a guy who can't throw.

I realize this post is going to upset some people on this board. But it bothers me when I'm told I'm going to burn in hell for not taking Jesus in my life and praying to a false god for being of a non Christian religion. I don't tolerate the lack of respect some Christians have for other religions.

The last time I took this position on the board three people posted I needed Jesus in my life. One person PM'ed me if I didn't embrace Jesus I wasn't welcome on the board. Several others whined to Julie. But put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine someone telling you your religion is worthless.
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TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
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Originally posted by AntzDad:
Say what you want about Tim Tebow. Yeah, I know I was seeing things, but it sure looked like he beat the Jets in the last minute all by himself. Smile


Divine Intervention? Smile They were talking about that on the radio today, about how many people have said negative things regarding him, but ironically, something is working for him right now.
justbaseballjustbaseball10,000+ posts
Nice post Coach May!

I really haven't read much of this thread...so I'm not sure how relevant these comments will be.

I am not a Tim Tebow fan. I am not a Tim Tebow detractor either.

I watched him live in the Sugar Bowl in 2010...and I watched him warm up before the game in t-shirt and pants only. He was lively, engaging...and it was a pure joy to watch. Not throwing the ball, but running passing routes thrown by an assistant coach. It was just one of those...'this guy is having a lot of fun!' things to see.

Another thread on this site talks about Twitter. Right now I am "following" a lot of football writers...cause that is what I am enjoying right now...this football season. I have never...let me repeat, NEVER, see such hatred for a player amongst writers. It is simply amazing to me how 'obsessed' these guys are with ripping Tim Tebow to shreds.

Why? Does it sell? Is it an anti-religious player thing? I am really perplexed...cause I just don't spend any of my time thinking about Tim Tebow...even though I am a huge football fan. So why are these guys so bent out of shape?

I engaged one writer/radio host in the city of Cincinnati (can you tell me why a guy in Cincinnati would even care?) about why he was so obsessed with Tebow. He pretty much 'snotted off' back at me...obviously I struck a nerve. But why?

I just don't get it...I really don't? Seems like a decent guy (Tebow) who enjoys playing the game. Isn't that what we like when we see it in our own sons with regards to baseball?

Just downright confusing to me.
WklinkWklink500+ posts
I think what bugs writers the most is two things.

1. The Denver fans have been clamoring for him and there are some that seem to think that Tebow is going to be the next coming of John Elway. Writers since he was a sophmore in college have criticized his delivery and have said that he will never make it as an NFL quarterback are now dealing with the idea that he is being successful.

2. Many writers are getting irritated with the whole Tebow Time attitude coming out of Denver. Tebow pretty much sucked for 55 minutes of the game yet managed to pull out a win. What is irritating to many, including the writers, is the fact that the rest of the team seems to be ignored by some of the Tebow fanatics. I don't blame Tim for this, he seems to recognize his fellow teammates but the press has jumped all over this phenom known as Tebow.

Many writers know that eventually the kid will fall to earth and are staking a position now so that they can yell 'TOLD YOU SO!' after the inevitable happens. While the option play that Tim Tebow is running right now is moderately effective it is being figured out. Lost in the win last night was the fact that the Jets handled Tim Tebow and the Broncos pretty well until that last four minutes.

The reality is that there is a reason the option isn't run in the NFL-it causes too much wear and tear on a QB and quick linebackers and safeties can quickly turn the option into a disaster. It was darned lucky that Eddie Royal wasn't tackled in the end zone on that first play of the final drive. If that had happened none of this would be discussed, the Jets would have probably won by five points and Tebow would have been blamed for the loss.

I think Tebow probably will be an ok NFL player but he has a long way to go before he earns all the hype that he is currently getting-good and bad.
P Prime91,000+ posts
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Posted November 18, 2011 08:39 PM Hide Post
I don't like Tim Tebow as a role model.



I find that statement surprising! When one only has to pick up any newspaper, on any given day, to read about some idiotic, dangerous or felonious act a well known athlete has committed, for our children to read about. Then there are the good guys and you pick this to say you don't like him as a role model?

Setting Religion aside, you have got to marvel at this guys competitiveness and his will to win. And couple that with all the good, not bad, that he has done and stands for by example.

I personally hope he continues to prove all the naysayers wrong. I really don't believe his style of play matches up well with the Pro style of play, but until he gets seriously injured, he will likely continue to come up with that one seemingly improbable play at just the right moment. He just seems to have "it."
M macco10+ posts
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Originally posted by RJM:

Imagine someone telling you your religion is worthless.


Isn't that exactly what you have done? Christians face it a bunch.

Us Christians are called to pray for those who are victims of our adversary, Satan...those who choose not to believe in the One True God(with a capital G).
Seems you fit that description. May God have mercy on your soul.

Christianity is not a religion...it's a faith in God The Father, God The Son and God The Spirit.
Religion is that of man and his sometimes misguided understanding of God's Word. There is a vast difference between the two.

For those who are interested in a better understanding or an introduction of what drives Tebow, read the book of John in the New Testament or enter into a discussion with a mature Christian, one who is truly interested in your soul and not your emotional opinions. You might just be surprise how misinformed you might be.
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S SportTmom2210+ posts
I read Tebow's book this summer, it's a great read for any athlete.....he has an incredible competitive drive and work ethic. He is so driven to work hard and compete and strives hard to make himself the hardest worker on the field. I would read excerpts of some of the work outs Tebow did to my 2013 son, I wanted him to see where hard work can get you.
For that reason alone I think the guy is a great role model for any aspiring athlete.

I also happen to like that he is a christian athlete and can respect his values and integrity. In a sports world where values, hard work and character are often lost in multi million dollar contracts, pompous attitudes, greed, lack of respect for others etc etc....I will take Tebow any day!

And RJM I am a staunch Christian and really I take no offense to your post...you are certainly entitled to your opinion and thoughts and free to post them. I get mad at other Christians also when they tell people so rudely they are going to burn in hell. But people are people regardless if they call themselves a christian or not...it just shows me the power of sin in their lives.
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TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
I was kind of kidding when I made my first comment.

It was short and to the point. My religious beleifs are on the opposite side of that of Tebow's. I am not insulted and feel that anything is being shoved down my throat. I am not a huge fan as I am not a huge football fan to begin with.

The power of faith is enormous and drives individuals to do incredible things, I have no issue with that as long as it is not harmful to others.
AntzDadAntzDad1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by TPM:
I was kind of kidding when I made my first comment.


I knew you were.

I didn't bump this thread to re-kindle the religious debate about Tim Tebow. I was just happy to see him get it done, Thursday night. Again, I don't know how he did it, but he did it. And that's what matters to his team mates. They are starting to believe in him. I'll just keep watching.

On a lighter note, it's fun to hear the crowds of the big local Catholic schools go back and forth at football and basketball games, with the "God's-on... our-side" chant, whenever someone makes a great play, or somebody fluffs an easy one.
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zombywoofzombywoof1,000+ posts
While it's refreshing that a high paid athlete is driven to compete and not be a malcontent, Tebow does need to pipe down about his religion and just keep it to himself. Religion is a personal thing and if he gains faith, strength, the drive to win from it and be a good person, then fine. That should be the purpose of religion.
igballigball500+ posts
I don't pretend to be an expert on all things Tebow, but when I've heard him talk it's very personal and he doesn't proselytize.

I'm not sure what it is that causes it but when some Christians talk about what their personal faith means to them, it unnerves some people.

If others take what Tebow says and go too far with it that's not his problem. He seems to make it a personal statement on his life which he is entirely entitled to do.
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by Prime9:
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Posted November 18, 2011 08:39 PM Hide Post
I don't like Tim Tebow as a role model.



I find that statement surprising! When one only has to pick up any newspaper, on any given day, to read about some idiotic, dangerous or felonious act a well known athlete has committed, for our children to read about. Then there are the good guys and you pick this to say you don't like him as a role model?

Setting Religion aside, you have got to marvel at this guys competitiveness and his will to win. And couple that with all the good, not bad, that he has done and stands for by example.

I personally hope he continues to prove all the naysayers wrong. I really don't believe his style of play matches up well with the Pro style of play, but until he gets seriously injured, he will likely continue to come up with that one seemingly improbable play at just the right moment. He just seems to have "it."
I don't expect my kids to use anyone they don't personally know as a role model. I would never want it to be someone from television. Wasn't Joe Paterno all about purity until last week? My kids role models have been their parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles. We were role models by how they conducted themselves in front the kids. My kids never saw their parents acting in a manner inconsistant with what they were told.
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RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by macco:
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Originally posted by RJM:

Imagine someone telling you your religion is worthless.


Isn't that exactly what you have done? Christians face it a bunch.
I have plenty of good friends who are Christians. Some of them are extremely religious. What they don't do is pound Jesus into other people's faces and degrade other religions.

That you think Christians face it as a bunch shows you have not looked outside your little world to recognize the prejudice against other religions and minorities. You have it better than anyone. If you think what atheists are attempting to do to religion now is facing it, you haven't walked in the shoes of a person from another religion.
Tx-HuskerTx-Husker1,000+ posts
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I don,t expect my kids to use anyone they don't personally know as a role model. I would never want it to be someone from television. Wasn't Joe Paterno all about purity until last week? My kids role models were their parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles. We were role models by how they conducted themselves in front the kids. My kids never saw their parents acting in a manner inconsistant with what they were told.


Wow. So people they see on TV are imperfect but people your kids know personally are perfect? I think you're setting an unrealistic expectation for your kids if you expect role models to be perfect. Role models are simply someone to learn from in my opinion. I personally like the learn from others behaviors, be them good or bad. I think it leads to better decisions and more accountability for your actions.
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by zombywoof:
While it's refreshing that a high paid athlete is driven to compete and not be a malcontent, Tebow does need to pipe down about his religion and just keep it to himself. Religion is a personal thing and if he gains faith, strength, the drive to win from it and be a good person, then fine. That should be the purpose of religion.
When asked in a post game interview about the 95 yard drive he gave all the credit to his Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I'll bet his linemen liked that. When Tebow gets crushed on a blitz his linemen should say, "Geez Tim, I guess Jesus missed picking up the blitz."
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
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I don,t expect my kids to use anyone they don't personally know as a role model. I would never want it to be someone from television. Wasn't Joe Paterno all about purity until last week? My kids role models were their parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles. We were role models by how they conducted themselves in front the kids. My kids never saw their parents acting in a manner inconsistant with what they were told.


Wow. So people they see on TV are imperfect but people your kids know personally are perfect? I think you're setting an unrealistic expectation for your kids if you expect role models to be perfect. Role models are simply someone to learn from in my opinion. I personally like the learn from others behaviors, be them good or bad. I think it leads to better decisions and more accountability for your actions.
OK, here's the message I would give my kids on Tebow. Practice and play hard. But never use the media to spread a message that has nothing to do with your sport.

I find Tebow as obnoxious as Susan Sarandon pitching politics on television. They both "use" the media outside the talents that got them on television to spread their beliefs.
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by igball:
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My kids never saw their parents acting in a manner inconsistant with what they were told.



All you can is Wow. My kids missed out. All they had were humans for parents.
I see you want to take this personal. I can do that. You can hack at me. I'll hack away at you.

I didn't say we were perfect. But we told our kids about the perils of drugs alcohol. They never saw us buzzed. They saw us drink responsibly.

We told them how to handle conflict. They never saw their parents yelling at each other.

We taught them about hard work, personal accountablity and not making excuses. It was how we carrried ourselves.

You can't tell your kids to carry themselves one way then act a different way. That's what I meant. Do you see anything wrong with that?
J HJ H5,000+ posts
I love Tebow, and I'm sure his linemen couldn't care less about what he says. He plays to win the game with all his heart and he will do anything to accomplish that for his team. His religious beliefs are pure and he seems to live by his image, unlike many celebrities and athletes in this world.

I'd rather this than most of the other "role models" of the NFL- some of whom are convicted felons.

RJM- Get off the high horse and quit preaching about religious persecution. We've all heard it before and don't want to hear it again. You "left" the website several years ago because you felt as though people didn't respect your Jewish values, please don't start up with that again.
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by J H:
LOL thank you for that mature response, it's appreciated
Didn't they teach you history anywhere along the line? This isn't ancient history. This is all in my lifetime. Now we have Occupation Wall Street people chanting against Jews in New York. This is exactly how Hitler rose to power in Germany, class divide and blaming it on the Jews.
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J HJ H5,000+ posts
I've never heard Tebow tell anyone to burn in hell if they don't embrace Jesus. So your argument is a moot point to me.

I am Jewish. I had a Barmitzvah in 2003. I am not a naive little boy. Don't pass judgment without understanding what you're discussing. Just because someone is bigoted and that has affected you in the past doesn't make everyone that embraces Christianity a bigot.

I resent the statement you just made because you seem to think everyone is out to specifically attack your morals and beliefs. I don't mind if you don't like Tebow and his image, but it bothers me to see you continuously taint the perception of your religion based on your small sample of experience. Lashing out against the Christian world is more naive than anything I've ever done.
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RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by J H:
I've never heard Tebow tell anyone to burn in hell if they don't embrace Jesus. So your argument is a moot point to me.

I am Jewish. I had a Barmitzvah in 2003. I am not a naive little boy. Don't pass judgment without understanding what you're discussing. Just because someone is bigoted and that has affected you in the past doesn't make everyone that embraces Christianity a bigot.

I resent the statement you just made because you seem to think everyone is out to specifically attack your morals and beliefs. I don't mind if you don't like Tebow and his image, but it bothers me to see you continuous taint the perception of your religion based on your small sample of experience. Lashing out against the Christian world is more naive than anything I've ever done.


You need to learn about history.

I will repeat myself for the "I don't know how many" times. I don't have a problem with any religion. I have a problem with those who push theirs fervently and condemn other religions. Telling people they are a heathen who prays to a false god for not embracing Jesus is condemning other religions. I see Tebow as one who fervently "pushes" his religion on others. I can't wait for him to fail. And he will. It takes awesome defense and a mediocre schedule for Tebow to win. When the Broncos played a good team with Tebow at QB .... Lions 45, Broncos 10
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
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I don,t expect my kids to use anyone they don't personally know as a role model. I would never want it to be someone from television. Wasn't Joe Paterno all about purity until last week? My kids role models were their parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles. We were role models by how they conducted themselves in front the kids. My kids never saw their parents acting in a manner inconsistant with what they were told.


Wow. So people they see on TV are imperfect but people your kids know personally are perfect? I think you're setting an unrealistic expectation for your kids if you expect role models to be perfect. Role models are simply someone to learn from in my opinion. I personally like the learn from others behaviors, be them good or bad. I think it leads to better decisions and more accountability for your actions.
You have no idea what's behind the tv role model, right Mr. Paterno? TV is a facade. The facade is whatever the television and media make it. We can be aware of the flaws of the people we know personally. Because it was a different era Mickey Mantle was every kid's hero and role model. Would you want your kids to carry themselves the way Mantle did now that we know about his personal life?
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RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
"We told them how to handle conflict. They never saw their parents yelling at each other. ... You can't tell your kids to carry themselves one way then act a different way"

...except on a message board Big Grin
I was wondering if anyone would comment on it. This is like a bunch of guys going at watching Tebow over a couple of beers. Smile
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