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Sooooo, travel ball is around 20 years old now (USSSA transitioned to handle other sports than softball in 1998).   What is the state of travel ball in your opinion?

When my kid was young thousands of dollars and dozens of weekends spent focused on one child’s activities just didn’t seem like a good idea to us.  The rumors did circle around that if you wanted your kid to make the high school team, he HAD to play travel ball.  (This was more the case in a neighboring town where high school baseball was really big.)  In our little town there weren’t that many kids playing travel ball, but other cities had their little leagues decimated – more than decimated – by travel baseball.   

 I always kind of figured that if I worked with my kid, he could be successful at baseball, and he has been pretty successful.   I honestly don’t see where kids playing 100 or more games a year at 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 really helped them that much compared to my son.  A lot of them were fast growers and then petered out.  They don't really seem to be dominant as a result of those years.

I wonder, is the cat out of the bag on youth travel ball teams now?  The fact that they don’t really mean THAT much in the grand scheme of things; that many of them are really money making ploys, and that often kids are left broken in more ways than just physically by the travel ball experience.

 Or are the same numbers of people participating?

 Ps.  I kind of see this as similar to the showcase thing.  More people are starting to say, “No.”  Even when I look up players on PG I notice that very few of them have showcase profiles.  They will have a WWBA profile and that’s about it.   Seems like summer teams are doing the job of selling the players now.

I am that wretch.

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Here is what I know, our HS took 8 Freshmen last year.  5 played Majors travel ball, 2 played AAA, and one played AA.  There were probably 10 kids who had played AA that didn't make it.  There wasn't a rec league player that made it.  My son has tryouts next Tuesday.  I expect the numbers to be similar.  

I'm not sure that I have seen a single player "broken" by travel ball.  The level of competition my son has faced has prepared him to come in and challenge for Varsity playing time next season as a Freshman.  He sees 75-85 every weekend and has even seen 90+ once this year.  Our travel ball experience has been very positive and he started when he was 8 years old.  The most games he has ever played in a season was 62, most seasons it is around 45-50.      

Travel ball is what you make it. For some it's productive and useful. For others it's a waste of money. At the preteen level I would like to see more dads get involved and improving rec ball rather than running from it. Playing a few travel tournaments in the summer after rec ball is quality extended play.

Once kids hit the 60/90 it's a march to high school ball. At this point if a kid has the potential to play high school ball quality coaching and competition makes a difference. This is when kids should move to travel full time. Those who aren't legit high school prospects will figure it out by 14u. Senior rec ball is a good place for those to play who love the game but have less talent.

With both my daughter's softball team and my son's baseball team, the high school teams went from losers to first with an influx of new coaching and a stream of travel players.

The Junior Leagion coach in our area believed thirteen year olds sit and pay their dues in practice. In other words they never see the game field all year. It's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. I started a 13u travel team. I helped start 13u teams in subsequent years. The legion program lost whatever talent pipeline they had. But the high school became a winning program.

I think travel ball is thriving and will continue to do so.

I may be in the minority but I don't think travel ball decimated little league / rec ball. I think that travel ball filled a void that the recreation leagues either couldn't or wouldn't fill themselves. Especially in the major metropolitan areas where a large number of kids play baseball.

 

I think it depends on what area you are in. Around here there are some really good major travel teams and there are some terrible AA teams. My son played rec ball or park ball as we call it here in south Alabama. He was at a large park (700 kids from 4u-12u) and we had a very competitive league. We fielded 2 all star teams every year and we started getting in travel ball tournaments to get ready for our  Cal Ripken tournaments at 9u. We won most of the travel and Cal Ripken tournaments until we reached regionals. Never could get over that hump. We still play Babe Ruth after school ball gets finished. Most of the JV and MS players play in our league from 3 different larger schools. Park ball, well all stars, has been just as competitive as travel ball. The regional tournaments in Cal Ripken and Babe Ruth are equal to the USSSA World Series tournaments we've played in. Same talent level and same level of coaching. We mainly played local travel tournaments along the gulf coast. The world series were the only tournaments where teams were flying in to play

Definitely not a "fad."  It's here to stay.  Glad my son didn't stumble into it until age 11 or 12, as the time and money commitment is huge.  Me personally, I think it's unnecessary before age 10 (maybe even 12).  I hear of parents doing the 8u travel circuit and I am thankful that was not us.  I just didn't know about it then.

I do believe however, that the kids who make a HS varsity roster as a Freshman, are often kids who have at least 2 years of the travel ball grind (not a weekend here and there, I'm talking "the travel ball grind") under their belts.  By 15 they've got the battle hardened "1000 yard stare" of a confidant, nuanced HS player.

The age 12-14  years are huge for development for HS.  Making the varsity roster as a frosh is a resume booster.  NOT REQUIRED mind you, but it is a big shot in the arm for a kid looking to play in college.  Travel ball circuit ages 12-14, I believe, helps prepare for HS ball.  Big time.

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 A few dads and I started a travel team @10U in an effort to expose our kids to a higher level of competition. In my opinion, mission accomplished, and we did it w/o charging parents a lot because of sponsorships.

Three kids, my son included, have a legimate chance to play varsity next season at a 7A school (highest classification) in GA. All three played major level travel ball. They are more 'high school ready' than kids who played lower level travel ball. Although I worked with him a lot, there was no way for me to replicate the top-level pitching that my son has seen w/o travel ball. I do think you're route is more doable for a pitcher than hitter.

hshuler posted:

 A few dads and I started a travel team @10U in an effort to expose our kids to a higher level of competition. In my opinion, mission accomplished, and we did it w/o charging parents a lot because of sponsorships.

Three kids, my son included, have a legimate chance to play varsity next season at a 7A school (highest classification) in GA. All three played major level travel ball. They are more 'high school ready' than kids who played lower level travel ball. Although I worked with him a lot, there was no way for me to replicate the top-level pitching that my son has seen w/o travel ball. I do think you're route is more doable for a pitcher than hitter.

Exactly, it can be done if our goal is to get better and not break the bank.

CaCO3Girl posted:

If anything it is the rec park programs that are dying out, Travel Ball is thriving and getting more expensive by the year.

I guess it varies by region, here there is no dying out. Its like a party every night at the park, even the kids who arent scheduled to play are there watching the other teams, playing wiffle ball, watching the Sr League ( all HS kids) on the next field over, knowing that they will be there next year, whatever, the kids love it. Travel, unless its a tournament, is usually just two teams, no concessions, no scoreboard, no fans, other then the parents, you play you go home. So rec does have that in its favor, as far as level of competition, of course TB has that, but sometimes the kids just need to have fun also and rec gives them that for a month and a half. When all stars kicks in, to me thats better then TB.

Buckeye 2015 posted:
The Doctor posted:

 Rec ball in our area was so bad that it hardly resembled baseball. The kids that got trapped in rec ball never fully recovered, Which is a shame because I knew some very athletic players that never got the chance to see how good the could be.

Exactly our issue here!

How do you get trapped in rec?

johnnysako posted:
CaCO3Girl posted:

If anything it is the rec park programs that are dying out, Travel Ball is thriving and getting more expensive by the year.

I guess it varies by region, here there is no dying out. Its like a party every night at the park, even the kids who arent scheduled to play are there watching the other teams, playing wiffle ball, watching the Sr League ( all HS kids) on the next field over, knowing that they will be there next year, whatever, the kids love it. Travel, unless its a tournament, is usually just two teams, no concessions, no scoreboard, no fans, other then the parents, you play you go home. So rec does have that in its favor, as far as level of competition, of course TB has that, but sometimes the kids just need to have fun also and rec gives them that for a month and a half. When all stars kicks in, to me thats better then TB.

Rec ball here is for the kids who can't make a travel ball team...It's widely accepted that the kids on the 15u rec team aren't going to make their high school team.  The local park holds the Spring assessments until 2 weeks after the high school tryouts for just that reason.

My son is a rising 9th grader, they held a meeting last week for anyone who was interested in playing baseball at the High School.  He said about 12 kids showed up and the coach asked everyone "where do you play now".  For the kids who played Travel ball they got more questions like what position, place in the batting order, how fast do you pitch...etc.  For the kids who answered a rec location the coach said "Are you having fun, do you like your coach...etc"...things like that.  He said it was night and day different, like the coach didn't take the rec kids very seriously.

If you can catch a fly ball in the outfield at age 9 you are most likely headed into Travel ball.  This leaves the non-athletic kids at the rec park.

My son is a good baseball player. Not a great baseball player. He will struggle and scratch and claw to try and achieve his goals. He is not one of those sought after guys that other travel teams want but would make any travel team if he tried out (in our state at least - not the big time regional teams). Without playing travel ball since age 9 he would probably not even be a good player. He has seen and competed with/against so many great players he is driven to rise to their level. While he will probably miss that goal if he even comes close he will be so much better than if he were a Rec ball star and not aware of the real level of competition out there he would be so far behind. Other than expense I see absolutely no negatives regarding travel ball. Plus it's just plain fun. 

CaCO3Girl posted:
johnnysako posted:
CaCO3Girl posted:

If anything it is the rec park programs that are dying out, Travel Ball is thriving and getting more expensive by the year.

I guess it varies by region, here there is no dying out. Its like a party every night at the park, even the kids who arent scheduled to play are there watching the other teams, playing wiffle ball, watching the Sr League ( all HS kids) on the next field over, knowing that they will be there next year, whatever, the kids love it. Travel, unless its a tournament, is usually just two teams, no concessions, no scoreboard, no fans, other then the parents, you play you go home. So rec does have that in its favor, as far as level of competition, of course TB has that, but sometimes the kids just need to have fun also and rec gives them that for a month and a half. When all stars kicks in, to me thats better then TB.

Rec ball here is for the kids who can't make a travel ball team...It's widely accepted that the kids on the 15u rec team aren't going to make their high school team.  The local park holds the Spring assessments until 2 weeks after the high school tryouts for just that reason.

My son is a rising 9th grader, they held a meeting last week for anyone who was interested in playing baseball at the High School.  He said about 12 kids showed up and the coach asked everyone "where do you play now".  For the kids who played Travel ball they got more questions like what position, place in the batting order, how fast do you pitch...etc.  For the kids who answered a rec location the coach said "Are you having fun, do you like your coach...etc"...things like that.  He said it was night and day different, like the coach didn't take the rec kids very seriously.

If you can catch a fly ball in the outfield at age 9 you are most likely headed into Travel ball.  This leaves the non-athletic kids at the rec park.

Wow, that does not sound like fun, shouldn't the "kids" be having fun? Like I said it must vary region to region, around here, ALL HS kids play rec and most play travel. I'll admit, in rec below the HS level is sometimes hard to watch once you get past the #4 batter, but at the same time the kids who are on the same TB team get to play against each other, its actually a lot of fun and to me that should be first and foremost, they love dogging their friends/teammates after hitting a HR off them or striking them out. At 13 they play whats called Sr league in rec, 60/90, ages 13-16, this is where the kids either continue playing baseball (including HS the following year) or find something else to do. Someone else posted about getting stuck in rec, I just dont understand that. The kids who are good in rec are the kids who are good, they play TB and will make the HS team. So your saying your coach wont give the rec kid a shot on the team or give him the same respect as a player beofre he's even seen him play? Shame on him, but then again, maybe that's just normal in your region.

Tb is better, hands down without a doubt, thats where you get tested, in most cases you wouldnt be on the team if you couldnt play, but I cant by into "if you dont play TB your not any good or wont become good". Nah.

Johnny, if you are a God given talent like Domingo then yes it doesn't matter where you play. If you absolutely suck then it doesn't matter where you play. But for the vast majority of kids who fall somewhere between I absolutely think it matters. Travel ball kids have a huge opportunity to get better through so many more reps, way more game experience, playing against better competition and just plain being able to see what's out there. I do not believe you can improve significantly playing rec ball. 

#1 Assistant Coach posted:

Definitely not a "fad."  It's here to stay.  Glad my son didn't stumble into it until age 11 or 12, as the time and money commitment is huge.  Me personally, I think it's unnecessary before age 10 (maybe even 12).  I hear of parents doing the 8u travel circuit and I am thankful that was not us.  I just didn't know about it then.

 

My son started travel at 8.  It was fun.  We took our rec league team and played 6 tournaments.  5 were within an hour of our house and one was an overnight trip.  Played rec and travel again at 9 and then went travel only at 10.  Rec was fun, but the competition level was just too low.  We played up an age group and it still didn't help.  Kid pitch is when I see most kids around here making the switch.  In rec it is a walk fest and in travel the kids can throw strikes.  I've told our league they should consider doing a hybrid coach pitch/kid pitch league at 9u just to make the games more fun for the kids.  

I've had the same conversation with parents about when is the right time to start travel and when does it become important.  I've seen a lot of teams pick up big strong athletes over the last two seasons (13u-14u), but those kids are way behind on skill level.  I wonder if they had started at 10, where would they be now?  They still have time to catch up, but they also might decide to play football instead because they are better at that sport right now.  Almost every kid around here that makes varsity as a 9th grader had an extensive travel background dating back to 9u,     

2020dad posted:

Johnny, if you are a God given talent like Domingo then yes it doesn't matter where you play. If you absolutely suck then it doesn't matter where you play. But for the vast majority of kids who fall somewhere between I absolutely think it matters. Travel ball kids have a huge opportunity to get better through so many more reps, way more game experience, playing against better competition and just plain being able to see what's out there. I do not believe you can improve significantly playing rec ball. 

I agree 100%. But why cant you do both, thats not a question. If its an option, then do it. I get that in some areas maybe rec is poorly ran and looked down upon, if so thats a shame, around here its a lot of fun and the HS coaches dont look down on you for it either.

johnnysako posted:
CaCO3Girl posted:

Rec ball here is for the kids who can't make a travel ball team...It's widely accepted that the kids on the 15u rec team aren't going to make their high school team.  The local park holds the Spring assessments until 2 weeks after the high school tryouts for just that reason.

My son is a rising 9th grader, they held a meeting last week for anyone who was interested in playing baseball at the High School.  He said about 12 kids showed up and the coach asked everyone "where do you play now".  For the kids who played Travel ball they got more questions like what position, place in the batting order, how fast do you pitch...etc.  For the kids who answered a rec location the coach said "Are you having fun, do you like your coach...etc"...things like that.  He said it was night and day different, like the coach didn't take the rec kids very seriously.

If you can catch a fly ball in the outfield at age 9 you are most likely headed into Travel ball.  This leaves the non-athletic kids at the rec park.

Wow, that does not sound like fun, shouldn't the "kids" be having fun? Like I said it must vary region to region, around here, ALL HS kids play rec and most play travel. I'll admit, in rec below the HS level is sometimes hard to watch once you get past the #4 batter, but at the same time the kids who are on the same TB team get to play against each other, its actually a lot of fun and to me that should be first and foremost, they love dogging their friends/teammates after hitting a HR off them or striking them out. At 13 they play whats called Sr league in rec, 60/90, ages 13-16, this is where the kids either continue playing baseball (including HS the following year) or find something else to do. Someone else posted about getting stuck in rec, I just dont understand that. The kids who are good in rec are the kids who are good, they play TB and will make the HS team. So your saying your coach wont give the rec kid a shot on the team or give him the same respect as a player beofre he's even seen him play? Shame on him, but then again, maybe that's just normal in your region.

Tb is better, hands down without a doubt, thats where you get tested, in most cases you wouldnt be on the team if you couldnt play, but I cant by into "if you dont play TB your not any good or wont become good". Nah.

I'm sorry, did I understand that right, one kid will be on the rec team, the high school team AND the TB team?  Do these seasons overlap?

Getting stuck in rec...when my kid was 9 he got the ball at SS and threw it as hard as he could to 1B, they couldn't catch it. This happened over and over until one day my son threw a rainbow slow throw to the kid at 1B, the kid caught it.  Do you think my son ever threw full force at that kid again?  The first time my son knocked over the catcher because he pitched too hard, how hard do you think my son threw the next time? 

How often do you think the rec ball coach sent my kid from pitcher to catcher to short stop because he only had two kids on  team of 12 that could play those positions at all effectively.  Do you think if my son had stayed in rec ball he would have advanced at the same rate as he did in travel ball, or would he be stuck in rec ball playing at a lower level so that the other kids could catch the ball? 

It isn't that the rec player won't get a shot at high school it is that the pace of the game my TB 14u kid is playing vs the rec ball 14u kid are MILES APART.  Even if the rec ball kid had some raw talent it has likely been squashed because he had to adapt to what his teammates could handle, i.e. a slower pace.

CaCO3Girl posted:
johnnysako posted:
CaCO3Girl posted:

Rec ball here is for the kids who can't make a travel ball team...It's widely accepted that the kids on the 15u rec team aren't going to make their high school team.  The local park holds the Spring assessments until 2 weeks after the high school tryouts for just that reason.

My son is a rising 9th grader, they held a meeting last week for anyone who was interested in playing baseball at the High School.  He said about 12 kids showed up and the coach asked everyone "where do you play now".  For the kids who played Travel ball they got more questions like what position, place in the batting order, how fast do you pitch...etc.  For the kids who answered a rec location the coach said "Are you having fun, do you like your coach...etc"...things like that.  He said it was night and day different, like the coach didn't take the rec kids very seriously.

If you can catch a fly ball in the outfield at age 9 you are most likely headed into Travel ball.  This leaves the non-athletic kids at the rec park.

Wow, that does not sound like fun, shouldn't the "kids" be having fun? Like I said it must vary region to region, around here, ALL HS kids play rec and most play travel. I'll admit, in rec below the HS level is sometimes hard to watch once you get past the #4 batter, but at the same time the kids who are on the same TB team get to play against each other, its actually a lot of fun and to me that should be first and foremost, they love dogging their friends/teammates after hitting a HR off them or striking them out. At 13 they play whats called Sr league in rec, 60/90, ages 13-16, this is where the kids either continue playing baseball (including HS the following year) or find something else to do. Someone else posted about getting stuck in rec, I just dont understand that. The kids who are good in rec are the kids who are good, they play TB and will make the HS team. So your saying your coach wont give the rec kid a shot on the team or give him the same respect as a player beofre he's even seen him play? Shame on him, but then again, maybe that's just normal in your region.

Tb is better, hands down without a doubt, thats where you get tested, in most cases you wouldnt be on the team if you couldnt play, but I cant by into "if you dont play TB your not any good or wont become good". Nah.

I'm sorry, did I understand that right, one kid will be on the rec team, the high school team AND the TB team?  Do these seasons overlap?

Getting stuck in rec...when my kid was 9 he got the ball at SS and threw it as hard as he could to 1B, they couldn't catch it. This happened over and over until one day my son threw a rainbow slow throw to the kid at 1B, the kid caught it.  Do you think my son ever threw full force at that kid again?  The first time my son knocked over the catcher because he pitched too hard, how hard do you think my son threw the next time? 

How often do you think the rec ball coach sent my kid from pitcher to catcher to short stop because he only had two kids on  team of 12 that could play those positions at all effectively.  Do you think if my son had stayed in rec ball he would have advanced at the same rate as he did in travel ball, or would he be stuck in rec ball playing at a lower level so that the other kids could catch the ball? 

It isn't that the rec player won't get a shot at high school it is that the pace of the game my TB 14u kid is playing vs the rec ball 14u kid are MILES APART.  Even if the rec ball kid had some raw talent it has likely been squashed because he had to adapt to what his teammates could handle, i.e. a slower pace.

Yes, 3 teams, my kid is doing it now. School ball games and practices start at 3:45, any other league games or practices are later in the evening. TB doesnt even practice once school ball kicks in, all the kids on TB team are playing school and rec also. TB games only on weekends, no school, sometimes rec but we usually make it work and schedule around.

I have no response for the rest of your response other than its not the same around here. Like I said, they all play all 3. Kids being kids, enjoying life and having fun.

johnnysako posted:
CaCO3Girl posted:
johnnysako posted:
CaCO3Girl posted:

Rec ball here is for the kids who can't make a travel ball team...It's widely accepted that the kids on the 15u rec team aren't going to make their high school team.  The local park holds the Spring assessments until 2 weeks after the high school tryouts for just that reason.

My son is a rising 9th grader, they held a meeting last week for anyone who was interested in playing baseball at the High School.  He said about 12 kids showed up and the coach asked everyone "where do you play now".  For the kids who played Travel ball they got more questions like what position, place in the batting order, how fast do you pitch...etc.  For the kids who answered a rec location the coach said "Are you having fun, do you like your coach...etc"...things like that.  He said it was night and day different, like the coach didn't take the rec kids very seriously.

If you can catch a fly ball in the outfield at age 9 you are most likely headed into Travel ball.  This leaves the non-athletic kids at the rec park.

Wow, that does not sound like fun, shouldn't the "kids" be having fun? Like I said it must vary region to region, around here, ALL HS kids play rec and most play travel. I'll admit, in rec below the HS level is sometimes hard to watch once you get past the #4 batter, but at the same time the kids who are on the same TB team get to play against each other, its actually a lot of fun and to me that should be first and foremost, they love dogging their friends/teammates after hitting a HR off them or striking them out. At 13 they play whats called Sr league in rec, 60/90, ages 13-16, this is where the kids either continue playing baseball (including HS the following year) or find something else to do. Someone else posted about getting stuck in rec, I just dont understand that. The kids who are good in rec are the kids who are good, they play TB and will make the HS team. So your saying your coach wont give the rec kid a shot on the team or give him the same respect as a player beofre he's even seen him play? Shame on him, but then again, maybe that's just normal in your region.

Tb is better, hands down without a doubt, thats where you get tested, in most cases you wouldnt be on the team if you couldnt play, but I cant by into "if you dont play TB your not any good or wont become good". Nah.

I'm sorry, did I understand that right, one kid will be on the rec team, the high school team AND the TB team?  Do these seasons overlap?

Getting stuck in rec...when my kid was 9 he got the ball at SS and threw it as hard as he could to 1B, they couldn't catch it. This happened over and over until one day my son threw a rainbow slow throw to the kid at 1B, the kid caught it.  Do you think my son ever threw full force at that kid again?  The first time my son knocked over the catcher because he pitched too hard, how hard do you think my son threw the next time? 

How often do you think the rec ball coach sent my kid from pitcher to catcher to short stop because he only had two kids on  team of 12 that could play those positions at all effectively.  Do you think if my son had stayed in rec ball he would have advanced at the same rate as he did in travel ball, or would he be stuck in rec ball playing at a lower level so that the other kids could catch the ball? 

It isn't that the rec player won't get a shot at high school it is that the pace of the game my TB 14u kid is playing vs the rec ball 14u kid are MILES APART.  Even if the rec ball kid had some raw talent it has likely been squashed because he had to adapt to what his teammates could handle, i.e. a slower pace.

Yes, 3 teams, my kid is doing it now. School ball games and practices start at 3:45, any other league games or practices are later in the evening. TB doesnt even practice once school ball kicks in, all the kids on TB team are playing school and rec also. TB games only on weekends, no school, sometimes rec but we usually make it work and schedule around.

I have no response for the rest of your response other than its not the same around here. Like I said, they all play all 3. Kids being kids, enjoying life and having fun.

In our state that would be illegal. Here you can't play games during the HS season with another team and you can only practice with another team on days there is no HS practice or games. 

There are less kids in the 7-12 demographic than 12-15 years ago.when my son was in LL. Our LL still has as many teams at each level now as it did then. The kids still play travel in the summer. The better 13u players move on to travel full time. The high school program has been successful since 13u kids started moving on to travel. Essentially nothing has changed since the LL is well run.

There was a two year lag when some parents who thought the league was too competitive took over. But they were run out of their positions when people got the sense the league was getting touchy, feely. Put enough district and sections championship pennants on the fence and most want to be part of the legacy.

johnnysako posted:
CaCO3Girl posted:
johnnysako posted:
CaCO3Girl posted:

If anything it is the rec park programs that are dying out, Travel Ball is thriving and getting more expensive by the year.

I guess it varies by region, here there is no dying out. Its like a party every night at the park, even the kids who arent scheduled to play are there watching the other teams, playing wiffle ball, watching the Sr League ( all HS kids) on the next field over, knowing that they will be there next year, whatever, the kids love it. Travel, unless its a tournament, is usually just two teams, no concessions, no scoreboard, no fans, other then the parents, you play you go home. So rec does have that in its favor, as far as level of competition, of course TB has that, but sometimes the kids just need to have fun also and rec gives them that for a month and a half. When all stars kicks in, to me thats better then TB.

Rec ball here is for the kids who can't make a travel ball team...It's widely accepted that the kids on the 15u rec team aren't going to make their high school team.  The local park holds the Spring assessments until 2 weeks after the high school tryouts for just that reason.

My son is a rising 9th grader, they held a meeting last week for anyone who was interested in playing baseball at the High School.  He said about 12 kids showed up and the coach asked everyone "where do you play now".  For the kids who played Travel ball they got more questions like what position, place in the batting order, how fast do you pitch...etc.  For the kids who answered a rec location the coach said "Are you having fun, do you like your coach...etc"...things like that.  He said it was night and day different, like the coach didn't take the rec kids very seriously.

If you can catch a fly ball in the outfield at age 9 you are most likely headed into Travel ball.  This leaves the non-athletic kids at the rec park.

Wow, that does not sound like fun, shouldn't the "kids" be having fun? Like I said it must vary region to region, around here, ALL HS kids play rec and most play travel. I'll admit, in rec below the HS level is sometimes hard to watch once you get past the #4 batter, but at the same time the kids who are on the same TB team get to play against each other, its actually a lot of fun and to me that should be first and foremost, they love dogging their friends/teammates after hitting a HR off them or striking them out. At 13 they play whats called Sr league in rec, 60/90, ages 13-16, this is where the kids either continue playing baseball (including HS the following year) or find something else to do. Someone else posted about getting stuck in rec, I just dont understand that. The kids who are good in rec are the kids who are good, they play TB and will make the HS team. So your saying your coach wont give the rec kid a shot on the team or give him the same respect as a player beofre he's even seen him play? Shame on him, but then again, maybe that's just normal in your region.

Tb is better, hands down without a doubt, thats where you get tested, in most cases you wouldnt be on the team if you couldnt play, but I cant by into "if you dont play TB your not any good or wont become good". Nah.

Jonny, you fell into a little bit of the travel ball falacy when you said a player has to be good to make a travel ball team.   ��

Teaching Elder posted:
johnnysako posted:
CaCO3Girl posted:
johnnysako posted:
CaCO3Girl posted:

If anything it is the rec park programs that are dying out, Travel Ball is thriving and getting more expensive by the year.

I guess it varies by region, here there is no dying out. Its like a party every night at the park, even the kids who arent scheduled to play are there watching the other teams, playing wiffle ball, watching the Sr League ( all HS kids) on the next field over, knowing that they will be there next year, whatever, the kids love it. Travel, unless its a tournament, is usually just two teams, no concessions, no scoreboard, no fans, other then the parents, you play you go home. So rec does have that in its favor, as far as level of competition, of course TB has that, but sometimes the kids just need to have fun also and rec gives them that for a month and a half. When all stars kicks in, to me thats better then TB.

Rec ball here is for the kids who can't make a travel ball team...It's widely accepted that the kids on the 15u rec team aren't going to make their high school team.  The local park holds the Spring assessments until 2 weeks after the high school tryouts for just that reason.

My son is a rising 9th grader, they held a meeting last week for anyone who was interested in playing baseball at the High School.  He said about 12 kids showed up and the coach asked everyone "where do you play now".  For the kids who played Travel ball they got more questions like what position, place in the batting order, how fast do you pitch...etc.  For the kids who answered a rec location the coach said "Are you having fun, do you like your coach...etc"...things like that.  He said it was night and day different, like the coach didn't take the rec kids very seriously.

If you can catch a fly ball in the outfield at age 9 you are most likely headed into Travel ball.  This leaves the non-athletic kids at the rec park.

Wow, that does not sound like fun, shouldn't the "kids" be having fun? Like I said it must vary region to region, around here, ALL HS kids play rec and most play travel. I'll admit, in rec below the HS level is sometimes hard to watch once you get past the #4 batter, but at the same time the kids who are on the same TB team get to play against each other, its actually a lot of fun and to me that should be first and foremost, they love dogging their friends/teammates after hitting a HR off them or striking them out. At 13 they play whats called Sr league in rec, 60/90, ages 13-16, this is where the kids either continue playing baseball (including HS the following year) or find something else to do. Someone else posted about getting stuck in rec, I just dont understand that. The kids who are good in rec are the kids who are good, they play TB and will make the HS team. So your saying your coach wont give the rec kid a shot on the team or give him the same respect as a player beofre he's even seen him play? Shame on him, but then again, maybe that's just normal in your region.

Tb is better, hands down without a doubt, thats where you get tested, in most cases you wouldnt be on the team if you couldnt play, but I cant by into "if you dont play TB your not any good or wont become good". Nah.

Jonny, you fell into a little bit of the travel ball falacy when you said a player has to be good to make a travel ball team.   ��

?? How by stating you can be good and play both?

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