The later. And then he got angry.
3and2Fastball posted:This thread is pretty funny. Did anyone actually agree with the OP. i.e. "Yes, your kid should have swung at the 3-1 borderline pitch"?
Or was it 5 pages of the original poster arguing with literally everyone who responded? (!)
I doubt it will make an impression on the "group", but you may find it interesting to know that I did get multiple direct messages by people basically saying the group at large wants to say they are here to discuss and help, but the attack nature is off-putting. It causes them to not want to post and participate.
How people turned to, your kid is not good, without possibly being able to determine that.
Just because it is interesting to see the reactions I will continue to post game results....
So, moved back to the 9th spot (someone else batted 10th) after the previous game batting 2nd. Got 3 at bats. 1-2 again with a walk. 2 RBI, 1 run scored. Played 3rd, no balls hit there. Pulled before a 4th at bat in 7th. Game went extra innings.
Our catcher who was hitting 4th and batting .400 entering the game dropped in the lineup to 6th. Had a double and a single and was HBP. Final inning ended in a loss with him on deck and men on. The kid who moved into the 5th spot we thought made the team as a PO, but has gotten a few at bats over the last games. 1-4 with a single and 3k's ended the game on a k.
The pitcher who came into the game in the 5th and pitched until pulled in the 8th is a freshman who made varsity as a PO. He has real potential, 6'2 lefty, good curve, low 80's fastball. No command though and losing this year completely. This is the 2nd time pitched all year and both times because they sent him down to JV. In 3 innings he threw 77 pitches. The 5th and 6th were both roller coaster rides, but gave up no runs. Up 4-1 in bottom of 7th he walked the game tied on no hits. We scored 1 in the 8th and coach brought him back in to pitch the 8th. Walked in another run on a couple of hits to tie game. Finally pulled him with men on 1st and 2nd and no outs and put in a pitcher we did not warm up. Then intentional walk to load base and the new pitcher walked the first batter for the loss.
It's all what's best for the team though...
I'll be unfollowing the thread.
Teaching Elder posted:I'll be unfollowing the thread.
Sorry to see you go.... Of course, you did not read this...because you unfollowed the thread.
Hard to believe this is still going on.
I'll just ask this -
If you know so much better than the coach, why aren't you coaching?
Life is much easier when you can just sit behind a keyboard and not have to face the real world consequences of your decisions.
Rob T posted:Hard to believe this is still going on.
I'll just ask this -
If you know so much better than the coach, why aren't you coaching?
Life is much easier when you can just sit behind a keyboard and not have to face the real world consequences of your decisions.
Well, I know how to cook better than the guy who works the grave yard shift at the local diner and I don't do that job either....
Honestly, I don't have an issue with any of those decisions. They are his to make. Based on whatever he is trying to accomplish. In his shoes I may have also left the pitcher in to see how he responds, give him a chance to work through it. Challenge him. I was drawing a parallel. Everyone jumped up and down it would have been selfish and could have hurt the team to swing at a 3-1 strike. To try and make a play in that spot. Posters are bringing their own bias to the scenario. Coach must have wanted him to take...since he said gotta be your pitch instead of swing if you love it or whatever.
BUT, the point of JV baseball (as the coach is showing with his actions) does not necessarily need to be to win. It can be to help players advance and grow. To challenge them and see who rises to it.
^^THIS^^
Maybe we should call this the Seinfeld Thread. A whole bunch of writing about nothing, but it is funny! What is the record for pages of discussion about a 3-1 JV pitch? Are we there yet??
Thanks for the reply. However I would think that if the coach wanted to see more aggression, he would have used a different phrase. For example, "if its there, give it a ride" or others, indicate an aggressive approach. The phrase, "it has to be yours", implies a more cautious approach.
The term "aggression" caught my eye - it just does not sound like a form of the word aggressive in the context of "be aggressive at the plate". Aggression is more like "Hit the friggin ball hard somewhere like it's your....(fill in the blank based on personal preference)". Maybe "...current JV baseball coach" would fit for some. "...last at bat unless you get a big hit" might also work well. Finally, "...last chance to avoid getting some measly free pass to first base" may work for some others. I like "... destiny. That is, unless it's a little high and you can avoid an out and help out the team." (you sort of have to read that last one all the way through...
Hit the friggin ball hard somewhere like it's your destiny. That is, unless it's a little high and you can avoid an out and help out the team with a walk."
I'm just happy we finally made six pages, all of which flowed from a single pitch.
adbono posted:coach2709 posted:And yet here we are 5 pages later and you're still looking for the answer you want which justifies everything you did.
Let me tag onto this by saying I cant believe that a thread about ANYTHING that took place in a JV baseball game has carried on for 5 pages.
I can. We're all bored...
No! Don't Call Bunt! posted:3and2Fastball posted:This thread is pretty funny. Did anyone actually agree with the OP. i.e. "Yes, your kid should have swung at the 3-1 borderline pitch"?
Or was it 5 pages of the original poster arguing with literally everyone who responded? (!)
I doubt it will make an impression on the "group", but you may find it interesting to know that I did get multiple direct messages by people basically saying the group at large wants to say they are here to discuss and help, but the attack nature is off-putting. It causes them to not want to post and participate.
How people turned to, your kid is not good, without possibly being able to determine that.
Great strategy. Blame everybody else for your lack of ability to see the other side of an issue...
Steve A. posted:Maybe we should call this the Seinfeld Thread. A whole bunch of writing about nothing, but it is funny! What is the record for pages of discussion about a 3-1 JV pitch? Are we there yet??
The short answer - Yes!
I'm just posting to do my part to make 7 pages
I second that plan.
No! Don't Call Bunt! posted:
The pitcher who came into the game in the 5th and pitched until pulled in the 8th is a freshman who made varsity as a PO. He has real potential, 6'2 lefty, good curve, low 80's fastball. No command though and losing this year completely. This is the 2nd time pitched all year and both times because they sent him down to JV. In 3 innings he threw 77 pitches. The 5th and 6th were both roller coaster rides, but gave up no runs. Up 4-1 in bottom of 7th he walked the game tied on no hits. We scored 1 in the 8th and coach brought him back in to pitch the 8th. Walked in another run on a couple of hits to tie game. Finally pulled him with men on 1st and 2nd and no outs and put in a pitcher we did not warm up. Then intentional walk to load base and the new pitcher walked the first batter for the loss.
It's all what's best for the team though...
No! Don't Call Bunt! posted:Honestly, I don't have an issue with any of those decisions. They are his to make. Based on whatever he is trying to accomplish. In his shoes I may have also left the pitcher in to see how he responds, give him a chance to work through it. Challenge him. I was drawing a parallel. Everyone jumped up and down it would have been selfish and could have hurt the team to swing at a 3-1 strike. To try and make a play in that spot. Posters are bringing their own bias to the scenario. Coach must have wanted him to take...since he said gotta be your pitch instead of swing if you love it or whatever.
BUT, the point of JV baseball (as the coach is showing with his actions) does not necessarily need to be to win. It can be to help players advance and grow. To challenge them and see who rises to it.
Ok, I think I am following your logic better. Your point is that bec the coach is not playing to win and that JV is a "development team/league", then it's no different from you or your son making decisions that is best for himself but not for the team.
I think you are wrongly and incorrectly equating that "not playing to win" is the same as "not doing what's best for the team". The coach may make decisions that may not put the team in the best position to win now, but will develop the team for success later on (maybe later on in the JV season or maybe even for the varsity season). But whatever he is doing is still what's best for the team. Within the context of what the coach is trying to do, all of the players should be doing whatever they can do that is best for the team, not for themselves. Even if the coach is not playing to win that game, when you are at 3-1 count at the bottom of the lineup with the chance to turn the lineup over, you take the walk. Even you have already acknowledge (a few pages ago) that the walk is what's best for the team.
Now, when it comes to showcase baseball, not sure how that works. The point of showcasing is to show individual's skill set. Would the decision, considerations and expectations be different then?
Would Tebow have swung on the pitch in question?
I would be content with six pages, but why not shoot for seven? I should have probably replied with a quote to get a little more mileage.
In a completely unrelated topic & in an effort to get to 7 pages, allow me to add this. So last night we are slated to play a makeup game from a rainout (away game). We get there & all good. Everyone takes BP, IF, Pitchers get loose & we are set for 6 PM start. Problem is that there are no umpires. Everyone standing around & finally after much debate & confused coach conversation, we are told to pack it up & go home. No game! I'm not kidding!
Ok, I think I am following your logic better. Your point is that bec the coach is not playing to win and that JV is a "development team/league", then it's no different from you or your son making decisions that is best for himself but not for the team.
I think you are wrongly and incorrectly equating that "not playing to win" is the same as "not doing what's best for the team". The coach may make decisions that may not put the team in the best position to win now, but will develop the team for success later on (maybe later on in the JV season or maybe even for the varsity season). But whatever he is doing is still what's best for the team. Within the context of what the coach is trying to do, all of the players should be doing whatever they can do that is best for the team, not for themselves. Even if the coach is not playing to win that game, when you are at 3-1 count at the bottom of the lineup with the chance to turn the lineup over, you take the walk. Even you have already acknowledge (a few pages ago) that the walk is what's best for the team.
Now, when it comes to showcase baseball, not sure how that works. The point of showcasing is to show individual's skill set. Would the decision, considerations and expectations be different then?
hmmm...the parallel is less about "playing to win" and more about player development. Was the best opportunity for the player to develop to practice putting that ball in play on a 3-1 strike with runners in scoring position. Training him to produce RBI. Even if it was an out it had a good chance of bringing in the run or was the player best developed by standing there and doing nothing...
No! Don't Call Bunt! posted:hmmm...the parallel is less about "playing to win" and more about player development. Was the best opportunity for the player to develop to practice putting that ball in play on a 3-1 strike with runners in scoring position. Training him to produce RBI. Even if it was an out it had a good chance of bringing in the run or was the player best developed by standing there and doing nothing...
And I think what everyone here is saying that teaching and training the kids to always do what's good for the team is best to help them develop as a player. Part of that is knowing your role. If you are in the 3 or 4 hole, maybe you are expected to be a little more aggressive. If you are at the bottom of the lineup, then what's best for the team is to take the walk and turn the lineup over. It's not just standing there and doing nothing. Learning how to be patient, being selective, and earning a walk is a skill in itself.
To be honest, I think what is making this into a long conversation is how you are responding. You are changing your story now from "how can my kid do something to impress the coach so he can play more even if that action is not what's best for the team", to "he needs to swing at that pitch as that is what helps him to learn to develop and produce RBI". But either way, the answer is still no, he needs to be taught and trained to do what's best for the team. The right baseball play in that scenario and given the role he's in is to develop an eye for the ball, practice being patient, learn to put base runners on, and turn the line up over to increase the chance of scoring runs.
atlnon posted:No! Don't Call Bunt! posted:hmmm...the parallel is less about "playing to win" and more about player development. Was the best opportunity for the player to develop to practice putting that ball in play on a 3-1 strike with runners in scoring position. Training him to produce RBI. Even if it was an out it had a good chance of bringing in the run or was the player best developed by standing there and doing nothing...
And I think what everyone here is saying that teaching and training the kids to always do what's good for the team is best to help them develop as a player. Part of that is knowing your role. If you are in the 3 or 4 hole, maybe you are expected to be a little more aggressive. If you are at the bottom of the lineup, then what's best for the team is to take the walk and turn the lineup over. It's not just standing there and doing nothing. Learning how to be patient, being selective, and earning a walk is a skill in itself.
To be honest, I think what is making this into a long conversation is how you are responding. You are changing your story now from "how can my kid do something to impress the coach so he can play more even if that action is not what's best for the team", to "he needs to swing at that pitch as that is what helps him to learn to develop and produce RBI". But either way, the answer is still no, he needs to be taught and trained to do what's best for the team. The right baseball play in that scenario and given the role he's in is to develop an eye for the ball, practice being patient, learn to put base runners on, and turn the line up over to increase the chance of scoring runs.
Slow down - you're using logic and sound baseball advice. There's no place for that here.
Also, this is me being selfish and hoping we make it to page 7
Steve A. posted:In a completely unrelated topic & in an effort to get to 7 pages, allow me to add this. So last night we are slated to play a makeup game from a rainout (away game). We get there & all good. Everyone takes BP, IF, Pitchers get loose & we are set for 6 PM start. Problem is that there are no umpires. Everyone standing around & finally after much debate & confused coach conversation, we are told to pack it up & go home. No game! I'm not kidding!
Thank you for you contribution to this thread. Please don't discount the relevancy of your post as it appears everyone showed with an intent to help their team win. I applaude each and every player for taking BP and all those pitchers who got loose. I do think, however, that this may have been a good opportunity for the players to make their own calls - or maybe have them all start out with a 3-1 count with runners on and see how they respond.
And I think what everyone here is saying that teaching and training the kids to always do what's good for the team is best to help them develop as a player. Part of that is knowing your role.
Slow down - you're using logic and sound baseball advice. There's no place for that here.
I wonder how many successful people in life lived by and took the advice of...
"Just sacrifice, that's what's best for you" Karl Marx would love you!
" training the kids to always do what's good for the team is best to help them develop as a player. Part of that is knowing your role." I think the kid needs to show the coach he can bunt, on a 3-1 count, high pitch.
I just feel bad for the kid who should be hitting in the 11-hole but they haven't modified the rules that much yet. That's who is REALLY getting cheated. I'd be pissed if my kid was the 11th best hitter.
For some reason I keep getting these updates. Anyway, let me help get this "Golden" thread to 7 pages.
The kid could do what's best for the team AND what's best for his own development as a player by dumping his narcissistic and desperate dad who not only counsels his kid to swing at borderline pitches against a JV pitcher, who may well give him a bomb worthy ball on the next pitch, but runs off to an internet site to tell the world about this 3-1 pitch in a JV game and then proceed keep us holding our collective breath until we get our next exciting update from thrilling world of Connecticut Junior Varsity action.
Does anyone have an update on that dastardly millennial, Christian, baseball interloper Tim Tebow?
Does anyone have an update on that dastardly millennial, Christian, baseball interloper Tim Tebow?
No update, but wondering if any part of the reference was meant to be derogatory? I'm guessing "dastardly" and "interloper" are not good things, but when strung together, it just sounded kind of nice.
2017LHPscrewball posted:Steve A. posted:In a completely unrelated topic & in an effort to get to 7 pages, allow me to add this. So last night we are slated to play a makeup game from a rainout (away game). We get there & all good. Everyone takes BP, IF, Pitchers get loose & we are set for 6 PM start. Problem is that there are no umpires. Everyone standing around & finally after much debate & confused coach conversation, we are told to pack it up & go home. No game! I'm not kidding!
Thank you for you contribution to this thread. Please don't discount the relevancy of your post as it appears everyone showed with an intent to help their team win. I applaude each and every player for taking BP and all those pitchers who got loose. I do think, however, that this may have been a good opportunity for the players to make their own calls - or maybe have them all start out with a 3-1 count with runners on and see how they respond.
If I were in charge we would have rolled a scrim with their manager standing behind mound calling ours & ours calling theirs. Assistant coaches on the bases. Absolutely.
Tebow is batting .217 with a .265 OBP and .370 SLG in his first 46 at bats of AA ball
I don't have any info regarding his swing rate on 3-1 counts
Teaching Elder posted:
Does anyone have an update on that dastardly millennial, Christian, baseball interloper Tim Tebow?
Internet says he is at AA batting .217 - 1HR 10 hits 3 BB 21 K's
Don't trust anything you read on the internet.
You know how Tebow made it to AA?
'Cause he's a millennial and said to the ownership, "I've been here on the team for 3 months now. I'm pretty sure I deserve a promotion."
Shazam! 3 more pages. Bwahahaha.
Teaching Elder posted:You know how Tebow made it to AA?
'Cause he's a millennial and said to the ownership, "I've been here on the team for 3 months now. I'm pretty sure I deserve a promotion."
Shazam! 3 more pages. Bwahahaha.
Just across the wire: "Tim Tebow demoted to A ball." Sources say team management noted his unwillingness to be aggressive on borderline 3-1 pitches with runners in scoring position as a contributing factor in decision....
Will he bat in the 10 spot?
Teaching Elder posted:Will he bat in the 10 spot?
No, but when contacted, Tebow's Dad was critical of the decision & forwarded Mets GM Mickey Callaway a copy of Timmy's JV stats.
Steve A. posted:Teaching Elder posted:Will he bat in the 10 spot?
No, but when contacted, Tebow's Dad was critical of the decision & forwarded Mets GM Mickey Callaway a copy of Timmy's JV stats.
Correction: Alderson & CC to Callaway
Teaching Elder posted:For some reason I keep getting these updates. Anyway, let me help get this "Golden" thread to 7 pages.
The kid could do what's best for the team AND what's best for his own development as a player by dumping his narcissistic and desperate dad who not only counsels his kid to swing at borderline pitches against a JV pitcher, who may well give him a bomb worthy ball on the next pitch, but runs off to an internet site to tell the world about this 3-1 pitch in a JV game and then proceed keep us holding our collective breath until we get our next exciting update from thrilling world of Connecticut Junior Varsity action.
Does anyone have an update on that dastardly millennial, Christian, baseball interloper Tim Tebow?
Yeah...for some unknown reason...
If you are unable to figure out how to not read something...I am not sure you are the most qualified person to provide feedback or critique others...
atlnon posted:No! Don't Call Bunt! posted:
The pitcher who came into the game in the 5th and pitched until pulled in the 8th is a freshman who made varsity as a PO. He has real potential, 6'2 lefty, good curve, low 80's fastball. No command though and losing this year completely. This is the 2nd time pitched all year and both times because they sent him down to JV. In 3 innings he threw 77 pitches. The 5th and 6th were both roller coaster rides, but gave up no runs. Up 4-1 in bottom of 7th he walked the game tied on no hits. We scored 1 in the 8th and coach brought him back in to pitch the 8th. Walked in another run on a couple of hits to tie game. Finally pulled him with men on 1st and 2nd and no outs and put in a pitcher we did not warm up. Then intentional walk to load base and the new pitcher walked the first batter for the loss.
It's all what's best for the team though...
No! Don't Call Bunt! posted:Honestly, I don't have an issue with any of those decisions. They are his to make. Based on whatever he is trying to accomplish. In his shoes I may have also left the pitcher in to see how he responds, give him a chance to work through it. Challenge him. I was drawing a parallel. Everyone jumped up and down it would have been selfish and could have hurt the team to swing at a 3-1 strike. To try and make a play in that spot. Posters are bringing their own bias to the scenario. Coach must have wanted him to take...since he said gotta be your pitch instead of swing if you love it or whatever.
BUT, the point of JV baseball (as the coach is showing with his actions) does not necessarily need to be to win. It can be to help players advance and grow. To challenge them and see who rises to it.
Ok, I think I am following your logic better. Your point is that bec the coach is not playing to win and that JV is a "development team/league", then it's no different from you or your son making decisions that is best for himself but not for the team.
I think you are wrongly and incorrectly equating that "not playing to win" is the same as "not doing what's best for the team". The coach may make decisions that may not put the team in the best position to win now, but will develop the team for success later on (maybe later on in the JV season or maybe even for the varsity season). But whatever he is doing is still what's best for the team. Within the context of what the coach is trying to do, all of the players should be doing whatever they can do that is best for the team, not for themselves. Even if the coach is not playing to win that game, when you are at 3-1 count at the bottom of the lineup with the chance to turn the lineup over, you take the walk. Even you have already acknowledge (a few pages ago) that the walk is what's best for the team.
Now, when it comes to showcase baseball, not sure how that works. The point of showcasing is to show individual's skill set. Would the decision, considerations and expectations be different then?
Yes. The kids should always play to win. In certain circumstances, like JV, the coach may be looking for situations to test players, etc.
Steve A. posted:Teaching Elder posted:You know how Tebow made it to AA?
'Cause he's a millennial and said to the ownership, "I've been here on the team for 3 months now. I'm pretty sure I deserve a promotion."
Shazam! 3 more pages. Bwahahaha.
Just across the wire: "Tim Tebow demoted to A ball." Sources say team management noted his unwillingness to be aggressive on borderline 3-1 pitches with runners in scoring position as a contributing factor in decision....
What makes this funny is.....if you don't think that is true...you are CRAZY! I can just picture the conversation in the clubhouse with the GM...."but sir, I know I keep leaving runners in scoring position...but I draw walks so other people can get RBI. I think you should move me up the bigs....
Now that is funny..