The AABC Connie Mack Regional Qualifier will be played here in Dallas starting on Thursday.
Here's the bracket:
AABC CM Regional Qualifier
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Looks like DBAT 18 got the short end of the stick on the field situation again.
Ooops! Sam accidentally left the Dallas Patriots off of the original bracket. Here's the newer, more improved, Patriot-including bracket.
Regional Qualifier Bracket
Sorry Ken, we still play at U of D in the first round but with a little luck and some hard effort we may get to play in front of that infamous left field #9 sign.....
Regional Qualifier Bracket
Sorry Ken, we still play at U of D in the first round but with a little luck and some hard effort we may get to play in front of that infamous left field #9 sign.....
Round One
DBAT 18....5
Dallas Mustangs-Wade....0
DBAT 17....10
Dallas Mustangs-Ross....0
DBAT 18....5
Dallas Mustangs-Wade....0
DBAT 17....10
Dallas Mustangs-Ross....0
Dallas Tigers 16
Waco Lightning 9
Waco Lightning 9
quote:Sorry Ken, we still play at U of D in the first round but with a little luck and some hard effort we may get to play in front of that infamous left field #9 sign.....
Played there today......sign was missing!
They took the sign down?
They must be repainting it since it had so much spit on it.
They must be repainting it since it had so much spit on it.
Anyone have the score Mustangs(Hendricks) vs Panthers
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Thursday results that I know of:
DBAT 17 d. Mustangs-Ross (10-0)
Panthers 18 d. Mustangs-Hendricks (score?)
Tigers 17 d. Waco Lightning (16-9)
Tigers 17 d. Panthers 18 (8-0)
Marshals 17 d. Naa'taani NM Baseball (10-4)
DBAT 18 d. Mustangs-Wade (5-0)
DBAT 18 d. Marshals 17 (9-2)
Metro Pirates d. League City Legionaires (4-3)
Dallas Patriots 18 d. Metro Pirates (6-1)
Waco Lightning d. Naa'taani NM Baseball (score?)
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Friday's Winner's Bracket Games:
10AM @ Northwood
DBAT 17 vs. Dallas Tigers 17
12PM @ Northwood
DBAT 18 vs. Dallas Patriots 18
3PM @ Northwood
10AM winner vs. 12PM winner
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Had the distinct pleasure of meeting Old Bat Never today.
DBAT 17 d. Mustangs-Ross (10-0)
Panthers 18 d. Mustangs-Hendricks (score?)
Tigers 17 d. Waco Lightning (16-9)
Tigers 17 d. Panthers 18 (8-0)
Marshals 17 d. Naa'taani NM Baseball (10-4)
DBAT 18 d. Mustangs-Wade (5-0)
DBAT 18 d. Marshals 17 (9-2)
Metro Pirates d. League City Legionaires (4-3)
Dallas Patriots 18 d. Metro Pirates (6-1)
Waco Lightning d. Naa'taani NM Baseball (score?)
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Friday's Winner's Bracket Games:
10AM @ Northwood
DBAT 17 vs. Dallas Tigers 17
12PM @ Northwood
DBAT 18 vs. Dallas Patriots 18
3PM @ Northwood
10AM winner vs. 12PM winner
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Had the distinct pleasure of meeting Old Bat Never today.
DBATGM18
It was a pleasure putting a face to a name......Good Luck the rest of the weekend.
It was a pleasure putting a face to a name......Good Luck the rest of the weekend.
He didn't look like you thought he would, eh OBN?
I'm often confused with John Travolta although I have signed a few autographs as Kevin Costner.
Good looks are a curse.....
Good looks are a curse.....
I did see the resemblence to Travolta, the gold chains and disco outfit in the dugout kinda gives you away......... At least your comparisons are much better than being compared to Hazel 
At least your comparisons are much better than being compared to Hazel
Travolta meets Hazel.
Now there is the making of "Grease 3".
Now there is the making of "Grease 3".
TGUF
Guthrie could even play
Kenickie.
Kenickie.
Marshal's 17 are "Staying Alive" at AABC and play at 12nn at UD
Mustangs Hendricks team is playing before us at 10am.
Mustangs Hendricks team is playing before us at 10am.
obn-
I might just come out and watch the Marshal's play today. Only if the PA guy will play my "Grease is the word" eight track!!
I might just come out and watch the Marshal's play today. Only if the PA guy will play my "Grease is the word" eight track!!
I knew I was making a mistake by getting the Starbucks venti instead of the tall. I'm way over my posting limits for the week.
Tigers 07 beat DBAT 17's in extra innings. Kaskow and Fleece both hit 2 HR's. Kaskow with the game winner in the 8th over the monster in center field according to my source.
Metro Pirates d. Marshal's 17
Waco Light. d. Mustangs Hendrick
Waco Light. d. Mustangs Hendrick
I heard it was the bottom of the 7th, but what does Kermit know?
Round 3
Tigers 17 d. DBAT 17 (5-4)
DBAT 18 d. Patriots 18 (10-2)
Waco Lightning d. Mustangs-Hendricks
Dallas Panthers 18 d. League City
Metro Pirates d. McKinney Marshals 17
Round 4
Dallas Panthers....bye
DBAT 18 d. Tigers 17 (5-2)
Dallas Patriots d. Waco Lightning (9-1)
DBAT 17 d. Metro Pirates (14-6)
Round 5 (Saturday @ Northwood)
DBAT 18 (4-0)....bye
10:00AM - Dallas Panthers 18 (2-1) vs. DBAT 17 (2-1)
12:00PM - Dallas Tigers 17 (3-1) vs. Dallas Patriots 18 (2-1)
Round 6 (Saturday @ Northwood)
3:00PM - ???
Round 7 (Championship Game/Saturday @ Northwood)
5:00PM - ???
Updated Bracket
Tigers 17 d. DBAT 17 (5-4)
DBAT 18 d. Patriots 18 (10-2)
Waco Lightning d. Mustangs-Hendricks
Dallas Panthers 18 d. League City
Metro Pirates d. McKinney Marshals 17
Round 4
Dallas Panthers....bye
DBAT 18 d. Tigers 17 (5-2)
Dallas Patriots d. Waco Lightning (9-1)
DBAT 17 d. Metro Pirates (14-6)
Round 5 (Saturday @ Northwood)
DBAT 18 (4-0)....bye
10:00AM - Dallas Panthers 18 (2-1) vs. DBAT 17 (2-1)
12:00PM - Dallas Tigers 17 (3-1) vs. Dallas Patriots 18 (2-1)
Round 6 (Saturday @ Northwood)
3:00PM - ???
Round 7 (Championship Game/Saturday @ Northwood)
5:00PM - ???
Updated Bracket
Not that anyone's keeping track, but the final five teams of the Regional Qualifier are all BBI Premier teams. 
Regardless of which one wins the tournament, BBI Premier teams will have won the AABC CMWS Qualifier, the AABC MMWS Qualifier and the AABC CM Regional Qualifier. I'm certain that the quality of teams in our league gives all of our teams a competitive advantage in tournaments such as these.
Still hoping that one day all of the best teams from the metroplex will play in one league....
Regardless of which one wins the tournament, BBI Premier teams will have won the AABC CMWS Qualifier, the AABC MMWS Qualifier and the AABC CM Regional Qualifier. I'm certain that the quality of teams in our league gives all of our teams a competitive advantage in tournaments such as these.
Still hoping that one day all of the best teams from the metroplex will play in one league....
quote:Originally posted by DBAT 18 GM:
Not that anyone's keeping track,..
looks like someone's keeping track..
Oh, I'm keeping track to be sure. And there's no doubt I'm a BBI Premier homer. 
The heads of a lot of outstanding organizations worked awfully hard over the off season to put the divisions together. It's unmatched exposure and competition for the players on every team and the teams' success rate on and off the field will reflect that. The divisions have been a long time coming and I'm very proud of the teams' accomplishments.
Having said that, I'm secretly pulling for DBAT 18 to win the tournament.
The heads of a lot of outstanding organizations worked awfully hard over the off season to put the divisions together. It's unmatched exposure and competition for the players on every team and the teams' success rate on and off the field will reflect that. The divisions have been a long time coming and I'm very proud of the teams' accomplishments.
Having said that, I'm secretly pulling for DBAT 18 to win the tournament.
Cheapseats, please forgive me for not knowing if you have said on here before but what team does your son play for?
DBAT GM - I have not mentioned what team my son plays for. Several posters know what team/club I am with but I usually do not post about my team or club.
I know that DBAT has a great organization with the top players and I congratulate you and the DBAT organization for that. On the flipside, I think it is great that there are various opportunities around town in other clubs and other leagues. There are even some good players that play for their high school summer teams in various high school leagues. Many of these non-premier players even take lessons or come in to use the cages at DBAT. There are many good players in the metroplex and for that we should all be proud.
I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers...I just couldn't pass up the "eye roll" since the post began that you weren't keeping track. Maybe you left out a wink on that one.
Good luck to your DBAT 18's in the tournament.
I know that DBAT has a great organization with the top players and I congratulate you and the DBAT organization for that. On the flipside, I think it is great that there are various opportunities around town in other clubs and other leagues. There are even some good players that play for their high school summer teams in various high school leagues. Many of these non-premier players even take lessons or come in to use the cages at DBAT
. There are many good players in the metroplex and for that we should all be proud.I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers...I just couldn't pass up the "eye roll" since the post began that you weren't keeping track. Maybe you left out a wink on that one.
Good luck to your DBAT 18's in the tournament.
Hey PD -
That is a new "emotion" that I have not seen yet....what does it mean (or do I not want to know)?
That is a new "emotion" that I have not seen yet....what does it mean (or do I not want to know)?
Just an anonymous baseball fan -- watching the action.
Good, glad you are watching .... I was afraid that the DBAT moderator was going to censure me!
I guess I better shut my mouth (keyboard) and head back to the cheapseats...
I guess I better shut my mouth (keyboard) and head back to the cheapseats...
quote:On the flipside, I think it is great that there are various opportunities around town in other clubs and other leagues. There are even some good players that play for their high school summer teams in various high school leagues.
AMEN to that! (Sorry just had to show my Baptist side)
I believe what the DBAT GM is getting at, tongue in cheek of coarse, is that in recent past some organizations were not asked to particpate in the "premier" league the Mustangs are associated with.
I, back when I was coaching, contacted Sam trying to get the scoop and got the impression that only certain organizations were considered worthy of particpating in their "premier" league. What their organizations standards were was unclear to me.
From what I on read about results from this forum, it seems that there is only one "Premier" league in Dallas. Unfortunately, the Mustangs are not participants.
On a side note, I don't think it's really that important what league a team plays in as long as the competition is at the highest level possible for the quality of talent each team assembles.
I believe the GM posted he is all for having all the top shelf teams compete regardless of what league they associate with.
Unfortunately, it was my observation that sometimes egos get involved in amatuer baseball which doesn't allow for this at times.
I, back when I was coaching, contacted Sam trying to get the scoop and got the impression that only certain organizations were considered worthy of particpating in their "premier" league. What their organizations standards were was unclear to me.
From what I on read about results from this forum, it seems that there is only one "Premier" league in Dallas. Unfortunately, the Mustangs are not participants.
On a side note, I don't think it's really that important what league a team plays in as long as the competition is at the highest level possible for the quality of talent each team assembles.
I believe the GM posted he is all for having all the top shelf teams compete regardless of what league they associate with.
Unfortunately, it was my observation that sometimes egos get involved in amatuer baseball which doesn't allow for this at times.
Admittedly, I am not familiar with the history, I have only been involved with HS baseball for a short time.
However, it seems like this whole discussion is pointing towards braggin rights with only one way being the "correct" way to go. I have acknowledged that the DBAT teams appear superior but I am also saying that maybe one size doesn't fit all?
Surely, there is a new "man law" brewing in this topic somewhere....
However, it seems like this whole discussion is pointing towards braggin rights with only one way being the "correct" way to go. I have acknowledged that the DBAT teams appear superior but I am also saying that maybe one size doesn't fit all?
Surely, there is a new "man law" brewing in this topic somewhere....
quote:Originally posted by cheapseats:
However, it seems like this whole discussion is pointing towards braggin rights with only one way being the "correct" way to go. I have acknowledged that the DBAT teams appear superior but I am also saying that maybe one size doesn't fit all?
Couldn't agree with you more. Well said.
Ok, I'm still new to this whole HS Baseball thing myself but my hope is that by this time next year maybe Lone Star and BBI Premier could combined or play a couple of round robin events.
That said, the BBI Premier League is "elite" and doesn't lend itself to growing the talent level of the whole area. It seems they have compounded the problem.
The recent history of 4A and 5A state champions tells me that DFW Baseball Powers that be aren't getting the job done.
But maybe they are, is the goal scholarships and being drafted?
Maybe more kids and get scholarships and looks if the area won more HS games / playoffs and ChampionshipS.
Should more players from individual high schools play together?
I dont' know the answers or even the right questions to ask.
Should those premier teams carry less players on the rosters so more talent is available to form other "premier teams" or should the parent step back and understand that it is better to have their son on a team with a larger roster 15,16,17, and play with the best or not?
I have recent experiences that tell me the answer can be both or either. My kid needed reps last year after coming off a broken foot, we switched teams at the end of the year and guested with two other clubs, he got 60 more ABs and started 5 more games. This year he ended up on a BBI League team ( not Premier) that promised a lot of reps up in the end they had 17 boys on the roster. We left that team after two weeks, we were forunate enough to end up with a great club but he is at the end of the roster and hopes to play his way into more playing time. He already has moved up the rotation.
Iron sharpens iron.
I do know that there is a big difference between the talent that plays in the BBI League and the BBI Premier League from what I watched this year.
The talent in the Lone Star league is good, better than the BBI League but so far it seems to be a draw against the BBI Premier league teams.
But DBGM does have some wins and tourny records that seem to be evidence to his case.
The problem is that there are still so many boys that want to play ball and not enough "premier" league teams to play on.
Those boys are the ones that fill-out the 4A and 5A rosters. They have to play somewhere and hope they can develop. Not all area HS team rosters are filled with premier / lone star players.
JMHO
That said, the BBI Premier League is "elite" and doesn't lend itself to growing the talent level of the whole area. It seems they have compounded the problem.
The recent history of 4A and 5A state champions tells me that DFW Baseball Powers that be aren't getting the job done.
But maybe they are, is the goal scholarships and being drafted?
Maybe more kids and get scholarships and looks if the area won more HS games / playoffs and ChampionshipS.
Should more players from individual high schools play together?
I dont' know the answers or even the right questions to ask.
Should those premier teams carry less players on the rosters so more talent is available to form other "premier teams" or should the parent step back and understand that it is better to have their son on a team with a larger roster 15,16,17, and play with the best or not?
I have recent experiences that tell me the answer can be both or either. My kid needed reps last year after coming off a broken foot, we switched teams at the end of the year and guested with two other clubs, he got 60 more ABs and started 5 more games. This year he ended up on a BBI League team ( not Premier) that promised a lot of reps up in the end they had 17 boys on the roster. We left that team after two weeks, we were forunate enough to end up with a great club but he is at the end of the roster and hopes to play his way into more playing time. He already has moved up the rotation.
Iron sharpens iron.
I do know that there is a big difference between the talent that plays in the BBI League and the BBI Premier League from what I watched this year.
The talent in the Lone Star league is good, better than the BBI League but so far it seems to be a draw against the BBI Premier league teams.
But DBGM does have some wins and tourny records that seem to be evidence to his case.
The problem is that there are still so many boys that want to play ball and not enough "premier" league teams to play on.
Those boys are the ones that fill-out the 4A and 5A rosters. They have to play somewhere and hope they can develop. Not all area HS team rosters are filled with premier / lone star players.
JMHO
Meats,
I think it is important to understand with your post that most do not consider the HS season of primary importance.
Not that is should or shouldn't be that way, but recognizing that summer baseball has become what a player will attach his talent identity with.
Also, in your post you reference in which your son made decisions on what was best for him personally. Such as reps needed ect. So do those players who are considered the "cream of the crop". Most want to play with and against what is considered the best at their age level.
I am not sure what would be better. To have a select few teams in which consume most of the top notch players or to disperse them among more teams added with other talents.
Certainly, seperating the upper tier would reveal the true coaching abilities of some.
Possibly, I could see more competition created with the latter theory.
I think it is important to understand with your post that most do not consider the HS season of primary importance.
Not that is should or shouldn't be that way, but recognizing that summer baseball has become what a player will attach his talent identity with.
Also, in your post you reference in which your son made decisions on what was best for him personally. Such as reps needed ect. So do those players who are considered the "cream of the crop". Most want to play with and against what is considered the best at their age level.
I am not sure what would be better. To have a select few teams in which consume most of the top notch players or to disperse them among more teams added with other talents.
Certainly, seperating the upper tier would reveal the true coaching abilities of some.
Possibly, I could see more competition created with the latter theory.
The "Premier" organization is not a league --> semantics perhaps, but the truth. They play each other in tournaments that are open to other teams.....with the possible exception of a year-end "championship".
I hope you all have a chance to meet John Fuqua (DBAT 18 GM) one day -- he is a good guy. I believe his desire is to promote HS-age baseball in Dallas, regardless of the team affiliation. His schtick here is to rahrah the DBAT stuff and he does a good job at that (part of his job), but most of us DBAT-ters (including our grand poobah) recognize that there are many excellent organizations and numerous opportunities for the north Texas talent.
The BBI Premier divisions are providing an opportunity for strong competition in Dallas --- arguably the best competition in a single summer league in quite some time.
Bob's your uncle.
I hope you all have a chance to meet John Fuqua (DBAT 18 GM) one day -- he is a good guy. I believe his desire is to promote HS-age baseball in Dallas, regardless of the team affiliation. His schtick here is to rahrah the DBAT stuff and he does a good job at that (part of his job), but most of us DBAT-ters (including our grand poobah) recognize that there are many excellent organizations and numerous opportunities for the north Texas talent.
The BBI Premier divisions are providing an opportunity for strong competition in Dallas --- arguably the best competition in a single summer league in quite some time.
Bob's your uncle.
quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
I hope you all have a chance to meet John Fuqua (DBAT 18 GM) one day -- he is a good guy.
I am sure he is and I look forward to meeting him someday. PD - you can't expect to have this much DBAT rah-rah and not get a little razzing
in return and .... as I recall, several current DBATers have acknowledged having other hats in their closets (clown or vegas colors).quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
Bob's your uncle.
Whose uncle?
DBAT 18 - 2
DBAT 17 - 1
DBAT 18 vs Tiger 17 for Championship.
DBAT 17 - 1
DBAT 18 vs Tiger 17 for Championship.
Oh, I know we go overboard cheapseats and you are all good sports about it.
and you are all good sports about it.
When and where is this game being played?
quote:Originally posted by SWAC:
DBAT 18 - 2
DBAT 17 - 1
DBAT 18 vs Tiger 17 for Championship.
Northwood -- Tigers must win twice.
DBAT 18 wins CM Regional Qualifier
DBAT 18 - 17
Tigers 17 - 6
Congrats to DBAT 18
DBAT 18 - 17
Tigers 17 - 6
Congrats to DBAT 18
Congrats DBAT 18 and DBAT 18 GM!
Round 5
DBAT 17 d. Dallas Panthers 18 (7-0)
Dallas Tigers 17 d. Dallas Patriots 18 (9-3)
Round 6
DBAT 18....2/5/1
DBAT 17....1/6/1
WP - Victor Black
LP - Chay Lytle
Round 7 (Championship Game)
DBAT 18....17/16/2
Tigers 17....7/9/1
WP - Michael Bolsinger
LP - Keith Leerskov
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Our kids played well and worked hard this week. Wish we could play in AABC qualifiers every weekend because the play is so intense. Hated to have to play our 17s today in an elimination game - they gave us all we wanted and it was a close one. First time our group had played the DBAT 17 and Tigers 17 teams. Those two teams have been moving up the age groups and battling each other for years and I have to say are both exceptional.
Rundown of our games:
DBAT 18 d. Dallas Mustangs-Wade (5-0)
DBAT 18 d. Mckinney Marshals (9-2)
DBAT 18 d. Dallas Patriots (10-2)
DBAT 18 d. Dallas Tigers 17 (5-2)
DBAT 18 d. DBAT 17 (2-1)
DBAT 18 d. Dallas Tigers 17 (17-7)
DBAT 17 d. Dallas Panthers 18 (7-0)
Dallas Tigers 17 d. Dallas Patriots 18 (9-3)
Round 6
DBAT 18....2/5/1
DBAT 17....1/6/1
WP - Victor Black
LP - Chay Lytle
Round 7 (Championship Game)
DBAT 18....17/16/2
Tigers 17....7/9/1
WP - Michael Bolsinger
LP - Keith Leerskov
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Our kids played well and worked hard this week. Wish we could play in AABC qualifiers every weekend because the play is so intense. Hated to have to play our 17s today in an elimination game - they gave us all we wanted and it was a close one. First time our group had played the DBAT 17 and Tigers 17 teams. Those two teams have been moving up the age groups and battling each other for years and I have to say are both exceptional.
Rundown of our games:
DBAT 18 d. Dallas Mustangs-Wade (5-0)
DBAT 18 d. Mckinney Marshals (9-2)
DBAT 18 d. Dallas Patriots (10-2)
DBAT 18 d. Dallas Tigers 17 (5-2)
DBAT 18 d. DBAT 17 (2-1)
DBAT 18 d. Dallas Tigers 17 (17-7)
Congrats to DBAT 18
Thanks for the kudos SWAC, Cheapseats and OBN. Thanks PD for the kind words.
Cheap - No offense intended about the BBI Premier Divisions. Just want to promote all of the teams and their kids and hope to convince a couple of other orgs to come join us.
OBN - Meeting you was one of the highlights of the tourney.
Was disappointed that TRAIN didn't stop by the dugout this weekend.
Cheap - No offense intended about the BBI Premier Divisions. Just want to promote all of the teams and their kids and hope to convince a couple of other orgs to come join us.
OBN - Meeting you was one of the highlights of the tourney.
Was disappointed that TRAIN didn't stop by the dugout this weekend.
Congrats to DBAT - and BBI Premier for that matter... sounds like all of the teams made a good run at staying in as long as possible...
with that said... were there any Lone Star teams in that tourney, or Super 8 teams?
with this being said earlier:
I know SC had his big team in his Mustang Classic... but how did other Mustang teams/Marshals/whoever else do?
Sounds like some good baseball was being played...
with that said... were there any Lone Star teams in that tourney, or Super 8 teams?
with this being said earlier:
quote:
I know SC had his big team in his Mustang Classic... but how did other Mustang teams/Marshals/whoever else do?
Sounds like some good baseball was being played...
bad quote there... from what MEATSdad said earlier about BBI Premier and Lone Star being equal... how did lone Star teams finish??? Which top Lone star teams were NOT in tourney that could have made some noise?
BBI Premier Teams:
DBAT 18 (6-0)
Dallas Tigers 17 (4-2)
DBAT 17 (3-2)
Dallas Panthers 18 (2-2)
Dallas Patriots 18 (2-2)
Lonestar teams:
Metro Pirates (2-2)
McKinney Marshals 17 (1-2)
Mustangs-Hendricks (1-2)....win was against Mustangs-Ross
Mustangs-Wade (0-2)
Mustangs-Ross (0-2)
Mustangs-Carpenter didn't play because they have an automatic bid to the Regional since Lonestar is the host league for the Regional.
McKinney Marshals 18 did not play in the qualifier.
No Super 8 teams played.
DBAT 18 (6-0)
Dallas Tigers 17 (4-2)
DBAT 17 (3-2)
Dallas Panthers 18 (2-2)
Dallas Patriots 18 (2-2)
Lonestar teams:
Metro Pirates (2-2)
McKinney Marshals 17 (1-2)
Mustangs-Hendricks (1-2)....win was against Mustangs-Ross
Mustangs-Wade (0-2)
Mustangs-Ross (0-2)
Mustangs-Carpenter didn't play because they have an automatic bid to the Regional since Lonestar is the host league for the Regional.
McKinney Marshals 18 did not play in the qualifier.
No Super 8 teams played.
DBAT GM - My memory may be fading but I think the regional host (a McKinney team) for the Mickey Mantle regional qualifier also gets a bid to the MMWS, I could be wrong so if I am someone let me know.
quote:DBAT GM - My memory may be fading but I think the regional host (a McKinney team) for the Mickey Mantle regional qualifier also gets a bid to the MMWS, I could be wrong so if I am someone let me know.
It is my understanding that the winner of the McKinney 16U league gets to host the MMWS. I have no idea what that city league is called but the team has to be comprised of a certain number (if not all) of McKinney residents. I believe in years past there have been no 16U teams in the city league so they have assembled a team to represent the city in the MMWS.
In Farmington the host team for the CMWS is the team that wins their local 18U league. Last year the team that won that league was at our Regional tournament scouting games in order to pick up a couple of players for the CMWS.
DBAT GM - I am sure you are correct about the MMWS, you are much more familiar with these things than I am but I wonder how that works...seems like they would not have much time to get organized to host if they wait for the results of the league, or is "host" more of a title rather than an actual job?
The host team does not organize either the CMWS or the MMWS. That is done by a committee and usually a large one at that. In both McKinney and Farmington these fine people do a tremendous job and are nationally respected for their efforts.
The host teams are normally the one's that win a local league and play in the tournament as a representative of the hosting city.
The host teams are normally the one's that win a local league and play in the tournament as a representative of the hosting city.
According to the Lone Star League website Mustangs-Carpenter were 17-0 in league play for 2005 so for that year the league winner and Mustangs-Carpenter were probably one and the same. I have no idea how the standings are shaping up for 2006.
It is my understanding that the host team for the MMWS this year will be the McKinney Mavericks, coached by Robert Spengler. The roster must include 80% McKinney residents, I think. One of the top MMWS guys posts here on a faily regular basis -- he can fill in the facts -- including how the host team is determined on a yearly basis. It is not related to the results of any league outside of McKinney.
Look Diablo, I might not have coached HS baseball since 1993 but I know from reading most of your posts that you usually have very little that is constructive to say ....Diablo Meaning #1: one of the evil spirits of traditional Jewish and Christian belief....My HO is just that. My point which I would hope a HS coach would have picked up on was that the DFW area isn't producing State Championship winning programs.
KG Thank you for getting my point and my confusion.
"I think it is important to understand with your post that most do not consider the HS season of primary importance.
Not that it should or shouldn't be that way, but recognizing that summer baseball has become what a player will attach his talent identity with."
Congratulations to DBat 18 and to GM for the great tournament!!!!
My HO came from watching about only a dozen games mostly at the 15/16 level, but some at the 17/18 level.
I would love to see one "premier" league where the top teams and talent played each other but I'm still not sure that would serve the best interest of area baseball. It would serve the individual players....iron sharpening iron...
Hey Catcher don't you have any words of enlightenment for us?
I enjoy reading and learning from you all ...even Diablo...now I need another cup of coffee...and some con Huevos.
....Diablo Meaning #1: one of the evil spirits of traditional Jewish and Christian belief....My HO is just that. My point which I would hope a HS coach would have picked up on was that the DFW area isn't producing State Championship winning programs. quote:Originally posted by Diablo con Huevos:
bad quote there... from what MEATSdad said earlier about BBI Premier and Lone Star being equal... how did lone Star teams finish??? Which top Lone star teams were NOT in tourney that could have made some noise?
KG Thank you for getting my point and my confusion.
"I think it is important to understand with your post that most do not consider the HS season of primary importance.
Not that it should or shouldn't be that way, but recognizing that summer baseball has become what a player will attach his talent identity with."
Congratulations to DBat 18 and to GM for the great tournament!!!!
My HO came from watching about only a dozen games mostly at the 15/16 level, but some at the 17/18 level.
I would love to see one "premier" league where the top teams and talent played each other but I'm still not sure that would serve the best interest of area baseball. It would serve the individual players....iron sharpening iron...
Hey Catcher don't you have any words of enlightenment for us?
I enjoy reading and learning from you all ...even Diablo...now I need another cup of coffee...and some con Huevos.
To back up PD, each year I've payed attention to the MMWS (obviously not too long but since I was 12) the Mavericks have hosted the tournament. I don't know if that proves anything but it either means they always win their league, or the league play is irrellevant.
Dtiger - I think the McKinney Thunder (Coach Eubanks) hosted it two years ago....
(Disclaimer - fuzzy memory involved, I could be wrong...)
(Disclaimer - fuzzy memory involved, I could be wrong...)
quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
The roster must include 80% McKinney residents, .....
I bet Old Pitcher is packing and loading the truck right now!
If the Thunder did host it, what league is this?
If you are inferring that the Mustangs-Carpenter earn that host spot in the Regional I can assure you that this is not so. Not saying that it is right or wrong but simply that in this case the team has already been determined.quote:by Cheapseats:According to the Lone Star League website Mustangs-Carpenter were 17-0 in league play for 2005 so for that year the league winner and Mustangs-Carpenter were probably one and the same. I have no idea how the standings are shaping up for 2006.
AABC does not allow a team to host an AABC State, Regional or World Series tournament. An AABC sanctioned league must be the host. It is then up to the league to set up who is to represent them at the tournament. In this case Lonestar chooses to have the Mustangs-Carpenter represent them at the Regional regardless of league play outcome. If the McKinney Marshals go 15-0 and Mustangs-Carpenter go 5-10 in Lonestar league play it doesn't matter. Again, there is nothing wrong with this as that is the preferred way for that league.
My teams have always played in BBI and every time BBI has ever hosted an AABC State, Regional or World Series the team that represented BBI did so based upon merit. Up until a couple of years ago, BBI hosted the MM Regional each year and that made for fierce competition in 16U league play because the 16U league champion got an automatic berth into the Regional as the host team. I personally would not have my team play in a league that did not open that slot up to a competitive process - but that is by choice. BBI is not run by a single person but rather by a Board of Directors and the coaches of the 16U and 18U leagues vote before each season on how they will play their league schedule and how the post-season slots will be allotted. Quite simply, this democratic process is the preferred method for my team.
I am glad that people are choosing to become educated in the AABC process as IMO it is by far the most prestigious tournament series in youth baseball. Ultimately, if you are playing in any league it doesn't matter which one as long as you are playing.
I do want to see the best teams playing the best teams in a single league because it helps the players within that league get better by playing each other (iron sharpening iron was a nice quote) and it makes for an incredible exposure environment for all the teams involved. I realize not all teams and players can play in this league and there is no simple answer to how you can appease well over 100 North Texas teams but IMO one league for the best teams is a great answer for those involved. It would seem that the trickle down effect makes other teams strive to be included in that league thus improving their teams and metroplex baseball as a whole in the process.
Gotta go now. Late for church.
quote:Originally posted by cheapseats:
Dtiger - I think the McKinney Thunder (Coach Eubanks) hosted it two years ago....
(Disclaimer - fuzzy memory involved, I could be wrong...)
Two years ago the host was the McKinney Mavericks.
"I think it is important to understand that most do not consider the HS season of primary importance"
This may be correct, but by whom? The coaches, the kids, or the parents.
When my son first started taking pitching lessons from Steve Busby when he was 10 years old, Steve ask me what I hoped to accomplish by doing this.
My answer was to hopefully help my son make his high school team and be a solid contributor. I did not say so he could make a select team, or prepare him for a college team or play pro ball.
I think the parents have made high school baseball less important (or seem less important) than it is or should be. In most kids 10-16, high school baseball is still very important. Maybe not in the parents big picture of things, but in the kids hearts, making and playing on their high school team, representing their school and city it is very important. And as a parent,I am very proud when I see my son wearing his school colors and pitching for his hometown.
This may be correct, but by whom? The coaches, the kids, or the parents.
When my son first started taking pitching lessons from Steve Busby when he was 10 years old, Steve ask me what I hoped to accomplish by doing this.
My answer was to hopefully help my son make his high school team and be a solid contributor. I did not say so he could make a select team, or prepare him for a college team or play pro ball.
I think the parents have made high school baseball less important (or seem less important) than it is or should be. In most kids 10-16, high school baseball is still very important. Maybe not in the parents big picture of things, but in the kids hearts, making and playing on their high school team, representing their school and city it is very important. And as a parent,I am very proud when I see my son wearing his school colors and pitching for his hometown.
IMO the importance of HS ball varies greatly from each school to school. Kids that attend schools that are continously at the top will place more importance on HS baseball. Kids at schools that are on the borderline care but the ones on top summer teams still consider the school season a warm-up to summer ball. The kids on top select teams that attend the not so good schools can't wait until summer ball. I realize that this may not be the popular way to think, but with my experience in my own HS, along with discussion with everyone on my summer team, the perception of HS varies greatly.
quote:Originally posted by theygrowupfast:
"I think it is important to understand that most do not consider the HS season of primary importance"
This may be correct, but by whom? The coaches, the kids, or the parents.
When my son first started taking pitching lessons from Steve Busby when he was 10 years old, Steve ask me what I hoped to accomplish by doing this.
My answer was to hopefully help my son make his high school team and be a solid contributor. I did not say so he could make a select team, or prepare him for a college team or play pro ball.
I think the parents have made high school baseball less important (or seem less important) than it is or should be. In most kids 10-16, high school baseball is still very important. Maybe not in the parents big picture of things, but in the kids hearts, making and playing on their high school team, representing their school and city it is very important. And as a parent,I am very proud when I see my son wearing his school colors and pitching for his hometown.
I believe that your thoughts on this topic are right on.
Although, the quote you copied me on refers to the upper tier players as my post often states.
I wish HS baseball was of primary importance to all to promote more community support.
Although, when a scout can see the best of the best compete against each other, the select arena will offer this rather than HS.
quote:Originally posted by DBAT 18 GM:
I personally would not have "MY" team
And in this exact quote, is the downfall in amatuer baseball as I know it.
DBAT GM, you have gone far enough. You may uplift the kids you associate yourself with as much as you want. As I personally think that is one of you best qualities.
But, I warn you, when you start promoting the DBAT organization and especially the DBAT 18U team as "your" team, I will do my best for all who read to understand what exactly goes on behind the scenes.
As for now, I will lay in the weeds and pretend like I didn't see that quote. Unless you chose to do otherwise that is.
I'll just say congrats to DBAT & duck out of here before I get hit by the shrapnel.
I agree for the most part with TGUF, when my son was 7 and went to his first summer camp hosted by the local HS Coach (who is now at Argyle) he told me his ultimate goal was to make that team's Varsity squad when he got to HS, it wasn't to be a pro baseball player, it wasn't to play in college it was HS baseball. And even today as an 07 player the goal he shoots for the most is to be a starting/contributing member of the Varsity Squad.......
Each summer, from age 11 on, leading up to HS he played select baseball, and to him that was a seperate situation. Goal was still HS baseball and select ball in the summer was a way to seek out better competition, which in turn would challenge him as a player, to meet other ballplayers that were no longer chasing butterfly's in the outfield or playing silly games in the dugout he wanted to be around ballplayers not kids playing ball..... but keeping in mind that he was still setting his sites on that goal to of making that school's Varsity team when he got to HS.....
Now that he has attained the goal of making the Varsity squad he still values/respects and dedicates himself to that team from Sept-May but come summer it is about select baseball. Last summer was the exception when he played on the HS only team due to a request by our coach, because of last summer he values the select arena even more so..... the competition, the change of venue's, the coaching and the dedication that is displayed by not only the players but the parents......
As a parent I love the opportunity I get to spend the summer's with a new/diverse group of parents and players. My son and I both gain new friendships and experiences that we can't/don't get w/HS baseball. And the political issues that we have in the HS ranks just don't exsist w/select in the way they do in HS.
High School baseball is all about representing your school and that is tradition and a time honored passage. HS ball is about playing with "what you have" (that is unless your school is creative about getting players) and seeing where you can take your team....Select ball is all about choices, you tryout and evaluate teams and decide what is a good fit and you have the option year in/year out to stay with this decision or move on.
Most of all I tell my son honor your committment for the season you are in, in otherwords I tell my son 3/4 of the year you are dedicated to the HS and that coach and then in the summer you are dedicated to your select team............learn to balance, learn to switch gears and give 100% to both.
Having different teams to choose from and different leagues only makes summer ball more interesting and competitive. With each new team/league/facility comes choices and comes variety and hopefully more avenues for players to get what "they need" to make the summer a better growing experience for them as a player and in the end that will not only benefit them as a player but it should in turn benefit their HS team.
Hence the name SELECT......players select where to play, Coaches Select who they want and Leagues Select who they want to compete with..............
And BTW: the 17 Marshal's went 2-2 this weekend they won yesterday afternoon against the team from NM.
Each summer, from age 11 on, leading up to HS he played select baseball, and to him that was a seperate situation. Goal was still HS baseball and select ball in the summer was a way to seek out better competition, which in turn would challenge him as a player, to meet other ballplayers that were no longer chasing butterfly's in the outfield or playing silly games in the dugout he wanted to be around ballplayers not kids playing ball..... but keeping in mind that he was still setting his sites on that goal to of making that school's Varsity team when he got to HS.....
Now that he has attained the goal of making the Varsity squad he still values/respects and dedicates himself to that team from Sept-May but come summer it is about select baseball. Last summer was the exception when he played on the HS only team due to a request by our coach, because of last summer he values the select arena even more so..... the competition, the change of venue's, the coaching and the dedication that is displayed by not only the players but the parents......
As a parent I love the opportunity I get to spend the summer's with a new/diverse group of parents and players. My son and I both gain new friendships and experiences that we can't/don't get w/HS baseball. And the political issues that we have in the HS ranks just don't exsist w/select in the way they do in HS.
High School baseball is all about representing your school and that is tradition and a time honored passage. HS ball is about playing with "what you have" (that is unless your school is creative about getting players
) and seeing where you can take your team....Select ball is all about choices, you tryout and evaluate teams and decide what is a good fit and you have the option year in/year out to stay with this decision or move on.Most of all I tell my son honor your committment for the season you are in, in otherwords I tell my son 3/4 of the year you are dedicated to the HS and that coach and then in the summer you are dedicated to your select team............learn to balance, learn to switch gears and give 100% to both.
Having different teams to choose from and different leagues only makes summer ball more interesting and competitive. With each new team/league/facility comes choices and comes variety and hopefully more avenues for players to get what "they need" to make the summer a better growing experience for them as a player and in the end that will not only benefit them as a player but it should in turn benefit their HS team.
Hence the name SELECT......players select where to play, Coaches Select who they want and Leagues Select who they want to compete with..............
And BTW: the 17 Marshal's went 2-2 this weekend they won yesterday afternoon against the team from NM.
Great post OBN.
As what's truely important out of all of this is the life lessons you learn along the way.
Lessons can be learned regardless of what level, team, or season.
If your child can become a better person because of baseball, you have achieved the single most productive part of the game in my opinion.
Again, nice post.
As what's truely important out of all of this is the life lessons you learn along the way.
Lessons can be learned regardless of what level, team, or season.
If your child can become a better person because of baseball, you have achieved the single most productive part of the game in my opinion.
Again, nice post.
....and you SELECT the amount of money your willing to spend. ....I know, for most it's priceless.
....I know, for most it's priceless.quote:Originally posted by DBAT 18 GM:If you are inferring that the Mustangs-Carpenter earn that host spot in the Regional I can assure you that this is not so.quote:by Cheapseats:According to the Lone Star League website Mustangs-Carpenter were 17-0 in league play for 2005 so for that year the league winner and Mustangs-Carpenter were probably one and the same. I have no idea how the standings are shaping up for 2006.
DBAT GM - don't think I said that and no I did not mean to infer that....I am simply pointing out that if the bid had been extended in the way you are proposing it would have been the Mustangs-Carpenter for 2005. I am not sure what the answer is to the concern you have raised but I don't think it will get solved or answered on this website ... Sam is not present on HSbaseball web (I don't think) to defend himself so I don't know that we have all the information or all the facts.
In regard to league play, I have a different perspective than you do since I am a parent and not a coach but I do not spend a lot of time questioning what league or WS my sons team plays in....we look for a reputable club with good coaching then after we are on-board we show up when and where we are told ...
Nice post OBN - I agree with the approach you have taken with your son.
Like you, our primary goal for our son in the early years (9-14) was to prepare for baseball so that he could be a contributor on the high school team should he decide to play in high school. If he had said, "I don't like this game I want to be done" when it came time for HS ball we would have been fine with that (sad but fine). However, he thrives on the game and is happy to spend every evening of his summer playing baseball. An added bonus .... if you are playing ball every night you have little time for other distractions that could lead teenagers astray.
Like you, our primary goal for our son in the early years (9-14) was to prepare for baseball so that he could be a contributor on the high school team should he decide to play in high school. If he had said, "I don't like this game I want to be done" when it came time for HS ball we would have been fine with that (sad but fine). However, he thrives on the game and is happy to spend every evening of his summer playing baseball. An added bonus .... if you are playing ball every night you have little time for other distractions that could lead teenagers astray.
I love high school baseball!
quote:Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
Great post OBN.
As what's truely important out of all of this is the life lessons you learn along the way.
Lessons can be learned regardless of what level, team, or season.
If your child can become a better person because of baseball, you have achieved the single most productive part of the game in my opinion.
Again, nice post.
DTiger made an important observation about kids wanting to do well for their high school if the program was established and reputable. (Paraphrased)
KG is right with life's lessons! I think it's important for the kids who aren't in established programs, but are difference makers to do their best to step up and make their high school exprerience a positive one for all involved. Just because the program might not be top priority, doesn't mean the athlete shouldn't do everything in their power to promote it positively.
quote:Originally posted by Panter Dad:
I love high school baseball!
Me, too.
quote:Originally posted by SWAC:quote:Originally posted by cheapseats:
Dtiger - I think the McKinney Thunder (Coach Eubanks) hosted it two years ago....
(Disclaimer - fuzzy memory involved, I could be wrong...)
Two years ago the host was the McKinney Mavericks.
I believe the way this works for the MMWS is that a "McKinney" team has to be the host. I think there is a league rule that states 80% of the players must reside in MISD for that team to be eligible to be the MMWS host team. Therefore, almost every year, the Mavericks are the only "eligible" team. Not necessarily with the best McKinney players, but the one with the most. It seems to work for this tournament and those players that want to play in that tournament can join the Mavericks and get their shot at it.
Just reading the comments on this thread; the games for the summer are getting too personal. What happen to being in this for the players? On any given Sunday, there are a number of teams in North Texas that can beat another.
quote:Originally posted by Wonder Boy:
I think anyone who puts in time as a parent, coach, player, finacial contributer, fan, or manager, would refer to the team in which they are associated with as "their" or "your" or "my" -- KG. I think your reading too much into the GM's remarks.
Possibly. Just wanted to make sure though.
quote:Originally posted by SWAC:
On any given Sunday, there are a number of teams in North Texas that can beat another.
That is why we love baseball and keep coming back for more.....
quote:Quote by PD:
I love high school baseball!
I too love HS baseball....and the HSBASEBALL WEB!
Regarding the hosting of the MMWS in McKinney...........
In 1995 McKinney Baseball Tournaments, Inc. was formed to host the tournament. One of the rules was to determine who would be the host team. It was decided that the best McKinney team (80% that attend or live in MISD) in the North Texas MM league would host.
The North Texas MM league was started and ran by Al Alford (with help from Lindsey Gunter) and that role has been assumed by BJ Dixon, coach of the McKinney Mavericks.
In 1996 Denny Dixon's Image team was the host, but since then BJ's team has been the host. BJ forms his team based on the 80% rule.
In 1995 McKinney Baseball Tournaments, Inc. was formed to host the tournament. One of the rules was to determine who would be the host team. It was decided that the best McKinney team (80% that attend or live in MISD) in the North Texas MM league would host.
The North Texas MM league was started and ran by Al Alford (with help from Lindsey Gunter) and that role has been assumed by BJ Dixon, coach of the McKinney Mavericks.
In 1996 Denny Dixon's Image team was the host, but since then BJ's team has been the host. BJ forms his team based on the 80% rule.
Thanks for the clarification MMWS.....
We knew you would drop in and give us the facts.
We knew you would drop in and give us the facts.
quote:Thanks for the clarification MMWS.....
We knew you would drop in and give us the facts.
It took him long enough!