Attrition in one D-3 College Program

That doesn't sound like much to me. 4-5 rostered as freshmen to 3 seniors? That's the metric you'd want to look at. JV is irrelevant. 

Matt13 posted:

That doesn't sound like much to me. 4-5 rostered as freshmen to 3 seniors? That's the metric you'd want to look at. JV is irrelevant. 

But 2 of the 3 current seniors were actually JV freshman year.  

I should say that the school uses JV as an extended try-out for Frosh, basically.   (they play about 20 games a year).   So that's a peculiar feature of this school.  Transition from JV to Varsity is not automatic, because of all the transfers that come in every year, competing for a spot. 

The  TOTAL  roster is usually only 41-42 players  (which is about par for the D3 course from what I can gather.  They VARSITY Roster is usually less than 30.   So the varsity roster is typically smallish, in comparison with some other D3 schools. 

 Of the 4-5 rostered on the varsity as Frosh that year, only 1 is left.  Plus I should say that of the 5 (it turns out, I went back and double checked) all but 2 of them were "co-rostered."  and 3 of the 5 saw NO action.) 

The guy who moved into the starting rotation as a frosh,  had a bad summer league experience,  and disagreements with the coach, and quit at the beginning of sophomore year. 

It probably not irrelevant to the 25 kids that get recruited every year to this program who don't make the team.

Stuckinnewengland posted:

It probably not irrelevant to the 25 kids that get recruited every year to this program who don't make the team.

 You are correct, but we all know that is a subject not mentioned heretofore and thus has no bearing on my comment. 

Stuckinnewengland posted:

It probably not irrelevant to the 25 kids that get recruited every year to this program who don't make the team.

Well especially since they are recruited with the thought that they have a real shot at making the varsity.  Nobody goes there thinking,  "Oh, I'll play JV for a year"   Believe me.   And the coaches actually don't recruit guys just to fill out the JV squad.  They recruit guys that they think have talent and a chance.  The guys who came in with my son were serious and accomplished high school players to a man. 

Matt13 posted:

Stuckinnewengland posted:

It probably not irrelevant to the 25 kids that get recruited every year to this program who don't make the team.

 You are correct, but we all know that is a subject not mentioned heretofore and thus has no bearing on my comment. 

It was explicitly mentioned as a peculiar feature of this program -- which as I said is run more like a D2 program (with lots of transfers and drop downs coming in) and frosh having to compete like hell for a roster spot.  So I'm not sure why you are taking issue with this remark. 

Look at it this way of the 30 freshman were recruited that year,  15 freshman remained in the program throughout the first year, in some form or other, and of those 15,  3 remain as seniors.  That's what struck me. 

(By the way,  I imagine that in a differently structured program those 12 players rostered as the JV guys freshman year  would have been on the varsity, but would have been bench warmers.  This program instead gave them a 20 game try-out  -- against an admittedly strange brew of competition  ... some junior college teams,   some varsity teams from NAIA programs, some JV teams from other NCAA  D3 teams, some club teams from  D1 universities.  The program  kept these guys  in the program for a year and gave the coaches a real chance to evaluate them in game level competition.  I mean the upside of it was that that  year my son actually got more AB's and PT than the upper class men who were bench warmers on the varsity got.  But  that's just a local variant of what goes on in programs with a single and larger varsity roster.)

SluggerDad posted:

Matt13 posted:

Stuckinnewengland posted:

It probably not irrelevant to the 25 kids that get recruited every year to this program who don't make the team.

 You are correct, but we all know that is a subject not mentioned heretofore and thus has no bearing on my comment. 

It was explicitly mentioned as a peculiar feature of this program -- which as I said is run more like a D2 program (with lots of transfers and drop downs coming in) and frosh having to compete like hell for a roster spot.  So I'm not sure why you are taking issue with this remark. 

Look at it this way of the 30 freshman were recruited that year,  15 freshman remained in the program throughout the first year, in some form or other, and of those 15,  3 remain as seniors.  That's what struck me. 

(In a differently structured program those 12 players rostered as the JV guys freshman year  would have been on the varsity, but would have been bench warmers.  This program instead gave them a 20 game try-out, which kept them in the program for a year, but that's just a local variant of what goes on in programs with a single and larger varsity roster,) 

That level of recruitment isn't really out of the norm. 

I didn't have an issue with the comment; however it seemed intentionally obtuse given that I was clearly talking about metrics and methodology. I didn't even know he was referring to the recruiting piece vice the emotions of the players, so that is why I thought the subject hadn't been mentioned. 

It's tough because most guys heading the D3 route aren't recording their commitments on PG and without the scholarship money they have to wait until accepted thru admissions before fully "committing". You can't just log on and see that there are already 18 commits.

I don't really think there is a good answer other than, players need to choose a school they would be satisfied with academically, socially, and geographically if baseball ended tomorrow. Easier said than done, but it's especially important when there is no $$ attached as everybody is only as good as what they've done lately. 

PABaseball posted:

It's tough because most guys heading the D3 route aren't recording their commitments on PG and without the scholarship money they have to wait until accepted thru admissions before fully "committing". You can't just log on and see that there are already 18 commits.

I don't really think there is a good answer other than, players need to choose a school they would be satisfied with academically, socially, and geographically if baseball ended tomorrow. Easier said than done, but it's especially important when there is no $$ attached as everybody is only as good as what they've done lately. 

I've had the luxury of officiating many D3 fall scrimmages and the numbers that are participating at most of them are staggering (one school does all the cuts at the end of fall ball and has enough to field four teams, almost full roster-size each, for a round-robin tournament the day before.)

In addition to the advice that is often on here regarding school selection, there's one thing I would say to a player looking at a D3--work your ass off, and expect to be cut regardless. If you make the roster, know that you earned it, and keep earning it.

Only if  a D3 coach tells the player to apply ED while he walks the application through for him is the player a legitimate recruit. Coaches tend to get 6-8 of these slots per year. Everyone else is rolling the dice and can’t be counted in the attrition rate. 

If people remember 3rdGen (son is now 26) he told me at his son’s D3 27 players showed up for two roster spots all thinking they were preferred walkons.

RJM posted:

Only if  a D3 coach tells the player to apply ED while he walks the application through for him is the player a legitimate recruit. Coaches tend to get 6-8 of these slots per year. Everyone else is rolling the dice and can’t be counted in the attrition rate. 

If people remember 3rdGen (son is now 26) he told me at his son’s D3 27 players showed up for two roster spots all thinking they were preferred walkons.

I'm not sure even those who apply ED would count as "legitimate recruits" rather than just "preferred walk ons."  Everybody at a D3 is essentially a walk-on, preferred or not.

 That's partly because  LOTS  of D3 guys, even guys who end up playing, have hopes of playing above D3 and they hold out committing to a D3 until the last possible minute.   And sometimes those guys are better players than anybody who was admitted  ED or (more likely)  Early Action guys.   They are often very good plays but  not  guys who were "aiming"  for D3  as their first choice.   

I mean here in California, where there are only 9 D3 programs total -- only 8 of them at all competitive,  and only 3 or 4 of them regularly "nationally ranked"  not many really good HS players  -- of which there are a boatload --   start out thinking D3 or bust.

Consequently, with many a D3 programs,  you simply don't know where you really stand until you see who else shows up in the fall.   And that's especially true with those  D3's,  like my son's, that regularly recruit  drop downs and JC transfers, in addition to a ream of frosh. 

For example, a teammate of my son's was wait-listed at a very high academic D3.  But he didn't decide to go there until very late in the game.  He made the team in the fall, even though he was probably one of the last players  "recruited."   He was not an ED guy. 

Another teammate was admitted to a D3, maybe EA,   where the baseball coach really wanted him.   But he thought he could do better.  He decided to go the JC route for a year to see if he could get some D1 love  ... which, again, he really, really wanted.   After two years at JC, he ended up at a (different) D3 school.   Where he started and  starred for his last two years 

Point is that lots of guys who end up going to D3 don't start out aiming at a D3, so wouldn't commit to a D3 early in the process. 

That's a long winded way of saying I just don't think you can exclude from the attrition measure all the guys who spend a year in a program.  It doesn't really matter by what  path they got there.  If they spend a year in the program but end up not in it by senior year,  they count toward attrition.  

Lack of rosters limits have consequences

2022OFDad posted:

Lack of rosters limits have consequences

It wouldn't change anything. Coach is still going to recruit as many guys as he wants because they're not giving out money. A roster limit of 40 still doesn't change the fact that a coach can bring in 25 each year, especially if it isn't a HA school where a lot of these kids would be accepted with or without baseball. 

PABaseball posted:

2022OFDad posted:

Lack of rosters limits have consequences

It wouldn't change anything. Coach is still going to recruit as many guys as he wants because they're not giving out money. A roster limit of 40 still doesn't change the fact that a coach can bring in 25 each year, especially if it isn't a HA school where a lot of these kids would be accepted with or without baseball. 

Correct. Some conferences have roster limits, and there's still significant over-recruitment.

I totally agree there is plenty of over recruitment. That being said a school bringing in 30 Freshman is highly unusual. I am very current on the D3 circuit, know a fair amount of the recruiting process, have sons recruited by several of the regionally strong teams and 30 is certainly in the 99th percentile. One school that was in the D3 World Series last year brought in 21 freshman and that was overkill...and they have a reputation of doing so. Everyone knows they are good but also buyer beware. 30 is just a silly number where the coach IMO is out of line.

Do you really want to join a program with a 10% success rate of the freshman class making it to SR year? What are your objectives? I know I would have done everything possible to steer my kid away from that.

old_school posted:

Do you really want to join a program with a 10% success rate of the freshman class making it to SR year? What are your objectives? I know I would have done everything possible to steer my kid away from that.

That's where a site like this can be valuable, at least as a starting place for research.  From what I recall SluggerDad and his son where not aware when he committed how many players entered the program every year, or even that they had a JV squad. I would hope that parents and players do their due diligence and figure out as best they can what kind of situation they are getting themselves into. 

Any college that has JV recruits to fill spots and make money.  They are required to fill that JV to bring in money for the program and ultimately the school.  They give you a few thousand dollars and you give them many thousand dollars.  That system works great in any industry.  I know no player or parent of player goes there thinking I'm just going to play JV but that is reality for 90% of them in any college.  They bring in a couple of players who have a legitimate chance of making V as freshman and then bring in others to fill the spots on JV, make them money, and hope one or two will grow into a Varsity player.  I tell players all the time that if you are looking at a school with a JV you need to honestly ask the coach are you being brought in to play Varsity or JV.  Then you have to decide how important it is to you after the coach answers.  If he answers Varsity, then ask for a guaranteed spot.  If his answer is JV with a chance to play varsity at some point, then you are a JV fill in player which is okay for some guys who just want to continue the dream or enjoy the game.

JCG posted:

old_school posted:

Do you really want to join a program with a 10% success rate of the freshman class making it to SR year? What are your objectives? I know I would have done everything possible to steer my kid away from that.

That's where a site like this can be valuable, at least as a starting place for research.  From what I recall SluggerDad and his son where not aware when he committed how many players entered the program every year, or even that they had a JV squad. I would hope that parents and players do their due diligence and figure out as best they can what kind of situation they are getting themselves into. 

We didn't know how many were recruited.   We did know about the JV squad.  But my son was an outfielder and he was specifically recruited to "win a spot in the outfield" because they regarded left field in particular as open and "for the taking."   What we didn't know is how MANY outfielders (freshman and transfers)  they recruited that year, telling them all that left field was open and for the taking.   

Plus we were also told that that CF and RF were manned by senior all Americans, with no heirs apparent for either  (which turned out to be true ... sophomore year there was a Battle Royale  among outfielders or playing time in CF and RF  (with LF being the one that was sewn up)  - which is one of the reasons it disappointed me to no end that my guy hung up his cleats.  he would have definitely been in the battle.) 

Well, it turns out LF  was  indeed for the taking ... but it was  taken by the incumbent from the previous year.     Who, I gather, decided to step up big time over the summer and the fall after being told he was not guaranteed to start again and would have to win his position anew.  He actually had a great junior year.  Played like a beast.  

I wouldn't say we were misled, exactly.   We just didn't know how MANY guys were being told the same story  -- which was a true story, just an incomplete one. 

Boy, this sure sounds different than a lot of HA D3 schools. 

Hope that the recruits at the school(s) described above are happy with their courses.

57special posted:

Boy, this sure sounds different than a lot of HA D3 schools. 

Hope that the recruits at the school(s) described above are happy with their courses.

Yeah.  It's really a D2 in disguise.  But they can get away with it because California has LOTS of outstanding baseball players who don't want to leave California if they don't have to.  So it's a buyers market and this school has decided to try and exploit the buyers market to the max. 

It does lead to a lot of dashed hopes and embittered former recruits.  My son is still good friends with many of the guys he came in with and a few of the guys who came behind him.   Even though they have all moved on, they do not necessarily speak fondly of the program. 

old_school posted:

Do you really want to join a program with a 10% success rate of the freshman class making it to SR year? What are your objectives? I know I would have done everything possible to steer my kid away from that.

This is one of the better pieces of advice you'll see here.  I think this applies to  any school at any level.

Smitty28 posted:

old_school posted:

Do you really want to join a program with a 10% success rate of the freshman class making it to SR year? What are your objectives? I know I would have done everything possible to steer my kid away from that.

This is one of the better pieces of advice you'll see here.  I think this applies to  any school at any level.

At the D1 level a lack of Seniors may indicate that the program has been highly successful.

JCG posted:

Smitty28 posted:

old_school posted:

Do you really want to join a program with a 10% success rate of the freshman class making it to SR year? What are your objectives? I know I would have done everything possible to steer my kid away from that.

This is one of the better pieces of advice you'll see here.  I think this applies to  any school at any level.

At the D1 level a lack of Seniors may indicate that the program has been highly successful.

Cause they all got drafted as juniors.   So I guess you'd be on the look out for the junior class rather than the senior class at a D1 with a strong record of getting guys drafted  -- which is not every D1.  And if you are offered a scholarship from a D1 that serves regularly as a pipeline into the majors/minors,  you'll probably want to take your chances anyway.  Might be different, though, if you are  one of the recruited walk-ons at such a place. 

PitchingFan posted:

Any college that has JV recruits to fill spots and make money.  They are required to fill that JV to bring in money for the program and ultimately the school.  They give you a few thousand dollars and you give them many thousand dollars.  That system works great in any industry.  I know no player or parent of player goes there thinking I'm just going to play JV but that is reality for 90% of them in any college.  They bring in a couple of players who have a legitimate chance of making V as freshman and then bring in others to fill the spots on JV, make them money, and hope one or two will grow into a Varsity player.  I tell players all the time that if you are looking at a school with a JV you need to honestly ask the coach are you being brought in to play Varsity or JV.  Then you have to decide how important it is to you after the coach answers.  If he answers Varsity, then ask for a guaranteed spot.  If his answer is JV with a chance to play varsity at some point, then you are a JV fill in player which is okay for some guys who just want to continue the dream or enjoy the game.

GUARANTEED SPOTS?    What are those?  

There are a lot of

SluggerDad posted:

PitchingFan posted:

Any college that has JV recruits to fill spots and make money.  They are required to fill that JV to bring in money for the program and ultimately the school.  They give you a few thousand dollars and you give them many thousand dollars.  That system works great in any industry.  I know no player or parent of player goes there thinking I'm just going to play JV but that is reality for 90% of them in any college.  They bring in a couple of players who have a legitimate chance of making V as freshman and then bring in others to fill the spots on JV, make them money, and hope one or two will grow into a Varsity player.  I tell players all the time that if you are looking at a school with a JV you need to honestly ask the coach are you being brought in to play Varsity or JV.  Then you have to decide how important it is to you after the coach answers.  If he answers Varsity, then ask for a guaranteed spot.  If his answer is JV with a chance to play varsity at some point, then you are a JV fill in player which is okay for some guys who just want to continue the dream or enjoy the game.

GUARANTEED SPOTS?    What are those?  

Most schools that have JV teams also bring in a few guys that are truly for their varsity and have a chance of playing as freshman or transfers.  The coaches do not guarantee them a place on the starting lineup but guarantee them a spot on the Varsity versus putting them on the JV and hoping they make Varsity.  I think you have to ask the tough questions of coaches with JV's and find out if they see you as filling a spot on JV or have a legitimate chance of starting on varsity or at least being on varsity.  Most people do not want to ask the tough questions when they are being recruited because they believe the coaches hold all the power and all the cards.  They don't want to scare off the one recruiting them so they remain silent and hope for the best.  I also believe this is why there are so many transfers or guys who drop out of baseball.  Ask the tough questions up front and do the research.  Find out how many are coming in from all the various forms before you commit.

If you think that's bad, check out some NAIA schools.  There's one near me that will have 90-ish in the fall, knowing that by Spring, that number will be down to 45-50 and they will put half of the on the JV team.  If you drive by the field in the fall, there are so many kids, you'd think it was a football practice lol

Buckeye 2015 posted:

If you think that's bad, check out some NAIA schools.  There's one near me that will have 90-ish in the fall, knowing that by Spring, that number will be down to 45-50 and they will put half of the on the JV team.  If you drive by the field in the fall, there are so many kids, you'd think it was a football practice lol

I believe you, I just question why a family would agree to terms knowing that? It honestly seems ridiculous to me that it could happen...but I totally believe you that it does.

Maybe I am wrong but the D3 world I am familiar with is coaches recruit kids, they try to pull kids they think got missed by or passed over by higher levels. They come in 2 kinds, real players who compete immediately and are pretty much guaranteed to be on the team at least year 1 and typically longer. Type 2 are projects they think have tools or are "projectable" and typically don't have huge success rate but obviously one or 2 come along and are well worth the investment of the program. Most often they are pitchers but can be players with raw tools. Check out how many 6'3" pitchers are rotting in the bullpen waiting to "develop"...every high quality team has some it seems. They assume the freshman class will be cut in half or there about by the Jr year maybe sooner and recruit accordingly. If they have an awesome class and don't loose any year one they will just sqeeze a couple of marginal upper classmen to hit the number the coach wants. Typically form 35 to the low 40's.

If you go to a school carrying more them 40, I think you need to reexamine what you are doing. It still may be a great fit but you better look damn close because statistically it probably isn't.

I know of very few if any real D3 players who were actively recruited that get cut by the colleges for not being talented enough. Typical they see it themselves, don't make the grades, party to much or whatever...seldom is it solely a baseball move.

The attrition rate is high, I honestly think the business of college baseball is poorly managed but ultimately it becomes a supply and demand issue. The D3's realize they need the athletes as part of the business model for them to sustain. The %'s of athletes on D3 campus vs State U is ridiculously high.

IMO it is a buyer beware market, as a parent the 2nd time down the road was so much easier and clearer then the first time. The coaches and schools take advantage of the lack of knowledge as often as possible at all levels...I negotiate deals for a living and the entire process of college athletics is amazing one sided but most people just don't realize it until it is late in the game and hard to readjust.

Coach had a meeting with all the parents on the day we dropped off son at college(D3).  He told everyone that on average only 20% of recruited players will remain on the team through four years...I'm sure this is the case for a lot of programs...no playing time, grades, the grind, college life...probably plays a huge role in the attrition rate.  Thats probably why schools, especially the D3's, have to recruit more than usual...sons team is nationally ranked and they only rostered 37 players this year i think...

If you go to a solid program, the grind is every day...if it was easy then everyone would do it.

JCG posted:

Smitty28 posted:

old_school posted:

Do you really want to join a program with a 10% success rate of the freshman class making it to SR year? What are your objectives? I know I would have done everything possible to steer my kid away from that.

This is one of the better pieces of advice you'll see here.  I think this applies to  any school at any level.

At the D1 level a lack of Seniors may indicate that the program has been highly successful.

It can be checked against the draft.

CollegebaseballInsights posted:

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Looks pretty cool.

Yeah, I looked at a couple of Jucos. Pretty cool. Nitpicky perhaps but it would be cool to see the list of schools transferred to, not just states, as some programs are not great at updating their sites.  Also could be good under MLB draft tab to include recent transfers who were drafted.  Though I understand that data may not be easy to come by.

Like it. Mr. Insight!

SluggerDad posted:

 

I mean here in California, where there are only 9 D3 programs total -- only 8 of them at all competitive,  and only 3 or 4 of them regularly "nationally ranked"   

ADVICE from a D3 Parent whose son is entering his senior season with three awesome years of playing the sport he loves already behind him:  Keep your kids focused on the long-term goal. Use their baseball talents as a tool get them into the best academic college possible, rather than focusing on using college as a way to play baseball. If you keep the focus on STUDENT-athlete, there's a better chance of finding the right "fit" for a memorable college baseball experience. Most importantly, they'll walk away with a great education, a host of networking possibilities for being more well-rounded, wonderful memories, and hopefully a really great career! 

    **    --- Enjoyed SluggerDad's "only 8 of them at all competitive..." remark.  Seriously, I'm not at all offended  - really   Our D3 also has three seniors this year, and all three have played more innings than almost all their counterparts at other universities. All three have been on the conference leaderboards. And... each will walk away with a degree from a school ranked #1 in the World. What more could one ask for? Find the right fit for your kids, keeping them focused on the long-term!

                                               Signed,

                                               -- Parent from that 9th program ("competitive" is a relative term)

Wish you all the best this baseball season! It's going to be fun!

CollegebaseballInsights posted:

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For feedback purposes, I don't try anything for free that requires my email address.

Otherwise, your home pages looks very professional and well constructed.

SluggerDad posted:

PitchingFan posted:

Any college that has JV recruits to fill spots and make money.  They are required to fill that JV to bring in money for the program and ultimately the school.  They give you a few thousand dollars and you give them many thousand dollars.  That system works great in any industry.  I know no player or parent of player goes there thinking I'm just going to play JV but that is reality for 90% of them in any college.  They bring in a couple of players who have a legitimate chance of making V as freshman and then bring in others to fill the spots on JV, make them money, and hope one or two will grow into a Varsity player.  I tell players all the time that if you are looking at a school with a JV you need to honestly ask the coach are you being brought in to play Varsity or JV.  Then you have to decide how important it is to you after the coach answers.  If he answers Varsity, then ask for a guaranteed spot.  If his answer is JV with a chance to play varsity at some point, then you are a JV fill in player which is okay for some guys who just want to continue the dream or enjoy the game.

GUARANTEED SPOTS?    What are those?  

I'm not sure if this was sarcastic or serious, however, when my son was recruited for a D3 he was offered a guaranteed roster spot in the spring of his freshman year ONLY.  After that it was up to him to stay on the team.  We also asked the coach how many players he was bringing in at my son's position, he told us, and we had to trust his word.  As it turns out, he was being honest and only brought in one (my son).

Also, as my son went through the process and filtered through the D1 interest he received, he realized that he might "make" a D1 roster at these schools...but he would never play.  After coming to that realization he began to target D3 schools, however, he wouldn't even entertain schools that had a JV.  He had too many friends that had gone that route and never ended up playing and gave up after their sophomore year when they could see the writing on the wall.

Proud-D3-Parent posted:

SluggerDad posted:

 

I mean here in California, where there are only 9 D3 programs total -- only 8 of them at all competitive,  and only 3 or 4 of them regularly "nationally ranked"   

ADVICE from a D3 Parent whose son is entering his senior season with three awesome years of playing the sport he loves already behind him:  Keep your kids focused on the long-term goal. Use their baseball talents as a tool get them into the best academic college possible, rather than focusing on using college as a way to play baseball. If you keep the focus on STUDENT-athlete, there's a better chance of finding the right "fit" for a memorable college baseball experience. Most importantly, they'll walk away with a great education, a host of networking possibilities for being more well-rounded, wonderful memories, and hopefully a really great career! 

    **    --- Enjoyed SluggerDad's "only 8 of them at all competitive..." remark.  Seriously, I'm not at all offended  - really   Our D3 also has three seniors this year, and all three have played more innings than almost all their counterparts at other universities. All three have been on the conference leaderboards. And... each will walk away with a degree from a school ranked #1 in the World. What more could one ask for? Find the right fit for your kids, keeping them focused on the long-term!

                                               Signed,

                                               -- Parent from that 9th program ("competitive" is a relative term)

Wish you all the best this baseball season! It's going to be fun!

Good luck to your son this season, and congrats on that degree. I have seen his team play recently and was really impressed with their game.  BTW if you search the team's name here you'll find some threads on the program, all very positive, and another board participant who is a fellow parent of a player.

I actually tried to take a look at the site and got security errors using IE, Firefox, and Chrome.

That's odd.  No errors here, and this site shows that SSL is properly configured:

https://www.whynopadlock.com/r...8e-b361-4b73f36cb798

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CollegebaseballInsights posted:

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If interested,  Try it for free.

All that is asked is feedback.

For feedback purposes, I don't try anything for free that requires my email address.

Otherwise, your home pages looks very professional and well constructed.

It’s what throwaway email addresses are for.