Not offended at all--but if you are going to post a chart make it REAL not a figment of your imagination
quote:My son's pitching coach has helped place hundreds of pitchers in college ball at all levels. He told my son a pitcher throwing 85 consistantly with command can pitch at mid majors. He said a pitcher throwing 87-88 consistantly with command can pitch almost anywhere.
I know of two kids who went into D3's throwing 80-82 with command, came out throwing 90-92 and are now in the minors.
RJM - I think your numbers are closer to the truth than anything posted here. I saw UVA (#1 in country) play Dartmouth yesterday. Almost all fastballs were in the 84-88 range for BOTH teams with the exception of the UVA closer (89-93 range). It is early in the season, so these numbers will probably go up as the weather is warmer and arms get looser. Your fastball numbers are realistic in my opinion.
I'm glad this discussion took the turn it did since these are issues I am interested in. Next visit to the private coach we will ask him to measure velo so that son will have a benchmark of progress and how far he needs to go. Both the pitching coaches son has worked with (one in MA and one in NC)have been more concerned with form/location vs. velo. Interesting discussion.
quote:Originally posted by Judy:
Both the pitching coaches son has worked with (one in MA and one in NC)have been more concerned with form/location vs. velo.
Form over function.
IMO herein lies a huge problem with a lot of "coaches" these days. They are more concerned with what "looks pretty" rather than how to develop high level throwing ability.
Carry on...
quote:Originally posted by RobV:quote:Originally posted by Judy:
Both the pitching coaches son has worked with (one in MA and one in NC)have been more concerned with form/location vs. velo.
Form over function.
IMO herein lies a huge problem with a lot of "coaches" these days. They are more concerned with what "looks pretty" rather than how to develop high level throwing ability.
Carry on...
I agree.
I would find out what the p coaches goal is for your son, and why not work on hitting spots AND velocity. He's 16 already and his velocity should be measured, do you know his velocity?
I think that there are many p coches out there that have no clue how to help develop velocity for both LHP and RHP.
I was at a game this weekend, two top 25 teams and the velo was kind of low for everyone, even with the gun being 3 mph off. You won't see higher velo # until the weather warms up and the pitcher finds his groove.
FWIW, at many of son's college games we saw lower velo in the mid majors, and even lost by a few games due to it, but overall, good hitters adjust after a few innings and the wins were rare. Most of the lower velo pitchers also relied more on their breaking stuff.
TPM
How do you know the gun was 3 MPH off---
How do you know the gun was 3 MPH off---
My son's pitching coach is all about mechanics, location and mental approach before velocity. He said with the first three in place velocity will follow. My son's previous instructor I yanked him from placed too much emphasis on airing it out. It screwed up mechanics.quote:Originally posted by Judy:
I'm glad this discussion took the turn it did since these are issues I am interested in. Next visit to the private coach we will ask him to measure velo so that son will have a benchmark of progress and how far he needs to go. Both the pitching coaches son has worked with (one in MA and one in NC)have been more concerned with form/location vs. velo. Interesting discussion.
The second coach was a pro obsessed with velocity. The first coach didn't play past high school but has helped place a lot of pitchers in college ball.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
TPM
How do you know the gun was 3 MPH off---
Because someone told me, is that acceptable?
RJM,
You are right, those three lead to greater velocity and should be, not just one thing or the other, JMO. IMO, that's getting what you paid for.
You are right, those three lead to greater velocity and should be, not just one thing or the other, JMO. IMO, that's getting what you paid for.
Well, in a 30 minute lesson it's hard to work on everything. I trust this coach, he has excellent credentials and has helped son a great deal. Another LHP on son's team does not have great mechanics but throws bullets... he has had arm injuries the past two years...I saw him pitch for the first time last week. Yup, he threw hard, struck out 5 to save game, but how long will his arm hold up? He's a senior and had to sit out half of his junior season and all summer due to injury.
It is pretty rare for a gun to be off 3 mph and pretty common for someone to believe a gun was off 3 mph. It can happen but it is pretty rare. If one gun is reading slower than other guns at a given location then you might be fairly certain it is reading low. Of course you'd use the other readings in that case.
Velocity vs Control vs Movement - Each pitcher has to determine what combination of the 3 he can achieve and work hard to reach that goal. At some point every pitcher is going to plateau on velocity and then it is certainly time to focus more on control and movement.
There might be some guidelines that most college coaches follow relative to velocity but if a pitcher has exceptional movement and/or control the "required" velocity number is going to drop a bit.
I would tend to agree that a college pitcher who can consistently work 87-88 with command and some off speed offerings is going to be able to pitch in pretty much any college league. The pitchers in the recent UCLA v. USC game were mostly throwing about 87-89 and touching 90.
Judy,
It doesn't sound to me like your son had a particularly poor outing. Wait and see what happens over the next few games before worrying about it.
IMO, you might want to start by asking his current pitching instructor about the possibility of setting up a long toss program for him to do. Be aware that if he's throwing pens at school, pitching in games and throwing pens for the pitching instructor then he's not going to have much opportunity to long toss.
Velocity vs Control vs Movement - Each pitcher has to determine what combination of the 3 he can achieve and work hard to reach that goal. At some point every pitcher is going to plateau on velocity and then it is certainly time to focus more on control and movement.
There might be some guidelines that most college coaches follow relative to velocity but if a pitcher has exceptional movement and/or control the "required" velocity number is going to drop a bit.
I would tend to agree that a college pitcher who can consistently work 87-88 with command and some off speed offerings is going to be able to pitch in pretty much any college league. The pitchers in the recent UCLA v. USC game were mostly throwing about 87-89 and touching 90.
Judy,
It doesn't sound to me like your son had a particularly poor outing. Wait and see what happens over the next few games before worrying about it.
IMO, you might want to start by asking his current pitching instructor about the possibility of setting up a long toss program for him to do. Be aware that if he's throwing pens at school, pitching in games and throwing pens for the pitching instructor then he's not going to have much opportunity to long toss.
quote:Originally posted by CADad:
It is pretty rare for a gun to be off 3 mph and pretty common for someone to believe a gun was off 3 mph. It can happen but it is pretty rare. If one gun is reading slower than other guns at a given location then you might be fairly certain it is reading low. Of course you'd use the other readings in that case.
I get a kick out of the doubt that I thought the the gun was off, it was, but I didn't have to really explain what gun, or where did I? Do you and Mr. TR think I made it up?
The reason for the comment, was because the pitcher I was watching can hit way above 90 (as some of the other pitchers too), and it was reading low, my player (who I was sitting with) made an inquiry to someone with a gun (who was sitting somewhere else) as to why his velocity might be so low. There was also the explanation that it has been very cold here in FL and the pitcher has yet to push his top velocity besides being early in the season. So we were told that we had to add 3mph for a true reading of the velocity.
Got that guys?
quote:Originally posted by Judy:
Well, in a 30 minute lesson it's hard to work on everything. I trust this coach, he has excellent credentials and has helped son a great deal. Another LHP on son's team does not have great mechanics but throws bullets... he has had arm injuries the past two years...I saw him pitch for the first time last week. Yup, he threw hard, struck out 5 to save game, but how long will his arm hold up? He's a senior and had to sit out half of his junior season and all summer due to injury.
I don't think it's fair to make those statements, you should just concentrate on what your son's progress and not worry about what others do or don't.
Shame that pitcher has issues, but in the long run, if he remains healthy through his senior year, he will be called upon because he got people out, that is the whole idea in this game.
Velocity is subjective for many, if the pitcher is getting outs, it doesn't really matter does it?
I'm only referencing that pitcher, who is a great kid as well as a good pitcher, to say that is why I think form is important. I hope he has a fantastic season. Now, true it's not relevant to my son's performance...it was just an example. You guys are a tough crowd. I'll go back to lurking...thanks.
Not tough. Experienced. Educating. The experienced people would rather have you make your mistakes here where they're correctable instead of around your high school baseball family where it could cause problems.quote:You guys are a tough crowd.
Judy,
As far as my statement about the LHP, we are not really sure what caused his injury, poor mechanics or overuse which happens a lot when you are a hard thrower.
Don't go away, we do seem tough to many, but you will learn a lot here. And RJM is correct, better to learn it here now than later.
Hang in there, it will all work out.
As far as my statement about the LHP, we are not really sure what caused his injury, poor mechanics or overuse which happens a lot when you are a hard thrower.
Don't go away, we do seem tough to many, but you will learn a lot here. And RJM is correct, better to learn it here now than later.
Hang in there, it will all work out.
quote:Originally posted by SultanofSwat:
This is not exactly right, but I took a quick stab at it for discussion purposes:
HS cruising speeds
80 mph, hitting spots, 20-0 record> not going anywhere
83 mph, hitting spots> not going anywhere
90 mph, missing spots> will likely go on
85 mph, hitting spots> might go on, odds are ??
85 mph, missing spots> probably not going anywhere
Sult,
What the heck are you referring to and why?
Since you have thrown sh^t over the wall,
try some back at ya:
HS sitting velo's
78-92 mph, hitting spots, not going anywhere
78-93 mph, missing spots, may likely go on
My guess is Judy's LHP was not peaking over 80+.
Probably not breaking 70+ with a lack of movement,
and unable to throw strikes with his off speed pitches. But then, she may not know!
You haven't scared me away yet 
Bear, actually I do know these things about my son. But I sense that you are not really interested...maybe just think a "mom" can't know baseball, hmmmm?
FWIW, in case you really are interested...
Son's fastball is 75-78 (we think, hasn't been measured since Sept)...the main issue for him
Excellent changeup for strikes that gets outs
Curve for strikes that gets outs
Son has excellent movement on his off speed pitches and even a moving fastball
Unfortunately this coach wants to overpower batters with a lot of fastballs...that approach obviously won't work for my son, thus, he isn't seeing much opportunity at this point.
Thanks
Bear, actually I do know these things about my son. But I sense that you are not really interested...maybe just think a "mom" can't know baseball, hmmmm?
FWIW, in case you really are interested...
Son's fastball is 75-78 (we think, hasn't been measured since Sept)...the main issue for him
Excellent changeup for strikes that gets outs
Curve for strikes that gets outs
Son has excellent movement on his off speed pitches and even a moving fastball
Unfortunately this coach wants to overpower batters with a lot of fastballs...that approach obviously won't work for my son, thus, he isn't seeing much opportunity at this point.
Thanks
TRhit,
Just a quick question..Why do have in location not from Tx or Calif?
Just a quick question..Why do have in location not from Tx or Calif?
quote:Originally posted by Judy:
You haven't scared me away yet
Bear, actually I do know these things about my son. But I sense that you are not really interested...maybe just think a "mom" can't know baseball, hmmmm?
FWIW, in case you really are interested...
Son's fastball is 75-78 (we think, hasn't been measured since Sept)...the main issue for him
Excellent changeup for strikes that gets outs
Curve for strikes that gets outs
Son has excellent movement on his off speed pitches and even a moving fastball
Unfortunately this coach wants to overpower batters with a lot of fastballs...that approach obviously won't work for my son, thus, he isn't seeing much opportunity at this point.
Thanks
With all due respect Judy but a good hitter will face your son and make the adjustment to keep his hands back and hit the ball where he pitches it. 75 - 80 will get hit by good players regardless of movement if they see the pitcher a second time.
No offense but if your sons private coach knows he's working at 75 - 80 and hasn't said one thing about increasing velocity that should be a red flag. It is probably something he won't work on during the session but he should have him on a long toss program to do on his own. Then during the session he will work on fundamentals and mechanics.
The problem most people think is that just because they pay money for instruction it has to be right and work. Sometimes those who played at a high level are the worst teachers. They could do things naturally so they don't understand the nuances of getting that message across. Obviously I have no idea who your son's private instructor is and I'm hoping that for your son's sake he knows what he's doing.
Please don't take my post as me saying your son can't or won't be successful but he's going to have to do a whole lot more to prove he can do something than someone who throws it harder. Guys who throw harder have more room to make bad pitches and get away with them than those who throw softer. For example tonight we started our number 2 and he throws mid 80s. He didn't have his best stuff and worked really hard to give us 6 innings and only giving up 3 runs. But because he was throwing 84ish when he made a mistake it got hit hard. In fact he gave up 3 hard hits on 0 - 2 counts for base hits - that should never happen but it did. In the 7th we bring our stud in to close the game out. He has the ability to throw 92ish and tonight he was around 89 - 91. Because of that he struck out three guys and maybe 4 of 12 strikes were in the zone. The hitters expanded the zone because they couldn't make the adjustment.
I wish your son the best of luck and really hope nothing but the best for him.
quote:Originally posted by sgvbaseball:
TRhit,
Just a quick question..Why do have in location not from Tx or Calif?
Hmmm...
in his mind they are vastly inferior to his state.
Any guesses to TR's state?
Delirium?
Connecticut.
I think the coach2709 has given you some good heads up info.
If your son has been working on a regular basis with the pcoach, helping to increase his velo should be one of the things he should have addressed. Unless it's for quick fixes that's another story.
Measuring velocity at your son's age is important, whether done by his pcoach or the HS coach, this gives the player an idea of where he stands in his development. It takes a very long time to develop velocity, even for small increases. Unless the pcoach feels he has peaked, you should be discussing this with him and not us. Perhaps the HS coach has some valid reasons why he wants to work with your son, perhaps he hasn't seen the progress he should working with someone. As coach mentioned be wary of who wants to take your money, and IMO too, former pro guys don't always make the best instructors. Change ups and curves should be compliments to a pitchers FB, sounds like these are your sons first line of defense
As far as leaving your son in to work things out, like you feel that he should have,as a starter, I find that many coaches don't win because they don't know how to use their pitching staff. Sounds to me like your son may have more success coming in for relief after the higher velo guys, his lower velo may keep them off balance for an inning or two mixing up his two other pitches as well. In HS after 5-6 innings of throwing 90+ the next guy who came in after son couldn't get over 80, and he became the closer, he really did a number on those guys heads for an inning or two, not much more than that as they could adjust after more than that.
I understand why players and parents get discouraged, sometimes it's as simple as using your players in the right way. JMO.
If your son has been working on a regular basis with the pcoach, helping to increase his velo should be one of the things he should have addressed. Unless it's for quick fixes that's another story.
Measuring velocity at your son's age is important, whether done by his pcoach or the HS coach, this gives the player an idea of where he stands in his development. It takes a very long time to develop velocity, even for small increases. Unless the pcoach feels he has peaked, you should be discussing this with him and not us. Perhaps the HS coach has some valid reasons why he wants to work with your son, perhaps he hasn't seen the progress he should working with someone. As coach mentioned be wary of who wants to take your money, and IMO too, former pro guys don't always make the best instructors. Change ups and curves should be compliments to a pitchers FB, sounds like these are your sons first line of defense
As far as leaving your son in to work things out, like you feel that he should have,as a starter, I find that many coaches don't win because they don't know how to use their pitching staff. Sounds to me like your son may have more success coming in for relief after the higher velo guys, his lower velo may keep them off balance for an inning or two mixing up his two other pitches as well. In HS after 5-6 innings of throwing 90+ the next guy who came in after son couldn't get over 80, and he became the closer, he really did a number on those guys heads for an inning or two, not much more than that as they could adjust after more than that.
I understand why players and parents get discouraged, sometimes it's as simple as using your players in the right way. JMO.
I have been following this conversation, and find it interesting. As a mother, do you think there is never a situation you could talk to a coach?
quote:Originally posted by jmom:
I have been following this conversation, and find it interesting. As a mother, do you think there is never a situation you could talk to a coach?
I see you are new to HSBW. Welcome! The question you asked is a great question. We've had many discussions on this very topic. Most old timers will tell you that parents should NOT talk to coaches. And for good reason, but much too long an explanation to embed here in this thread. Try using the "Find" button at the top of the forum and searching on "Talk to coach". You'll find a lot of great advice there about parents talking to coaches and players talking to coaches, when it's right and when it's a nono. Basically, parents should only talk to the coach when there is a safety or health issue.
Or when the coach wants to talk to the parent.quote:Basically, parents should only talk to the coach when there is a safety or health issue.
I appreciate the input of those who have been doing this for a long time. I don't know if pitching coach is good...just that he is good with son and son has made progress with him. As for working on the velocity...I get that, son gets it. We will have pc measure it in 2 weeks and see where he is. It may never come. Son is a late bloomer in general, so we shall see. He's been effective in the past as a lower velo guy and what he's struggling with this year is that he isn't being given an opportunity to see if that holds true. He spoke with coach yesterday and he said he might give him an inning or two tonight. It seems that son's pitching style and coach's preferences are not aligned. Thanks to advice from here we are keeping quiet unless asked, and letting son handle it with coach as he sees fit and though it's tough for us as parents it's all part of the process.
I'm not sure I missed it somewhere in the thread. What are you defining as a late bloomer? What's his size and weight?
FWIW I know who the pitching coach is and he is a good one--one of our pitchers, who was a LHP and threw similar to Judy's son, went to him when he was in HS and this boy was from MA. The boy ended up going to Barton and had a fine college career. In fact the boy pitched with us in Jupiter and was part of nohitter we threw against a top ranked Texas team in the event. His junk had the free swinging Texas kids coming out of their shoes when they swung
Judy's son will be fine as he goes down the road toward college---the team he plays with in the summer and fall will be the difference especially if the boys grades are solid and they are. If he throws strikes and has good location I know a load of college programs that will be glad to have him.
Judy's son will be fine as he goes down the road toward college---the team he plays with in the summer and fall will be the difference especially if the boys grades are solid and they are. If he throws strikes and has good location I know a load of college programs that will be glad to have him.
The saga continues....
On Monday the coach told son he would try to give him a chance in Tues game. It was a close one and that didn't work out...that was fine with son, he understood. He spoke to coach on Wed and asked him to watch his bullpen...coach came over, but watched and interacted with another pitcher who was also throwing. After, he told son he needs to prove himself and convince him he can pitch. On Thurs, son asked coach if he would get a chance to pitch on Fri...coach said he'd give him an inning, even though he said "I told player X I was going to put you in tomorrow and he said 'really?'". So, score is 6-0 in our favor, 6th inning coach puts in the catcher to pitch, then puts in the closer for the 7th. During the 7th inning my husband heard the coach tell son "you want to bat? never mind player x go in"...son was the only player on the team to not step on the field tonight. It is just so demoralizing and hard not to see it as personal. Coach cannot give clear way son can "prove himself" without stepping on the mound. I have never seen this kid so dispirited...I wonder about a coach who is basically a bully, sets up a catch 22 so son can never meet his expectations, pretends he's going to give him a chance and then "oops, not you". Is this acceptable behavior? If son is never going to get a chance, I'd rather he just cut him loose...this constant hope and failure without opportunity is incredibly difficult to watch without saying anything. We are thinking about son asking for mound time on the JV team just to get some opportunity to pitch. Is that ridiculous? This guy is poison.
On Monday the coach told son he would try to give him a chance in Tues game. It was a close one and that didn't work out...that was fine with son, he understood. He spoke to coach on Wed and asked him to watch his bullpen...coach came over, but watched and interacted with another pitcher who was also throwing. After, he told son he needs to prove himself and convince him he can pitch. On Thurs, son asked coach if he would get a chance to pitch on Fri...coach said he'd give him an inning, even though he said "I told player X I was going to put you in tomorrow and he said 'really?'". So, score is 6-0 in our favor, 6th inning coach puts in the catcher to pitch, then puts in the closer for the 7th. During the 7th inning my husband heard the coach tell son "you want to bat? never mind player x go in"...son was the only player on the team to not step on the field tonight. It is just so demoralizing and hard not to see it as personal. Coach cannot give clear way son can "prove himself" without stepping on the mound. I have never seen this kid so dispirited...I wonder about a coach who is basically a bully, sets up a catch 22 so son can never meet his expectations, pretends he's going to give him a chance and then "oops, not you". Is this acceptable behavior? If son is never going to get a chance, I'd rather he just cut him loose...this constant hope and failure without opportunity is incredibly difficult to watch without saying anything. We are thinking about son asking for mound time on the JV team just to get some opportunity to pitch. Is that ridiculous? This guy is poison.
quote:It is just so demoralizing and hard not to see it as personal.
IMHO, it is not personal although it is understandable that from a parent's perspective it seems that way.
Judy - imho, the coach has made his decision - for now - about your son and that is not for any playing time. I would not pressure the coach for an answer of "When will I play?" My take has always been that the coach speaks his true feelings with the lineup card. I believe the player should use his actions to speak to the coach and that is probably different advice that many would give you here.
What to do? For starters, I can feel your pain. The pain of not playing this high school season can be erased by his playing this summer where there will be many more games involved. Moreover, I believe the way he combats the catch22 situation is with attitude. Sheer attitude and force of will. Your son from now on will refuse to be controlled by something out of his control. He will take the high road. Encourage him. Encourage him to let the hard feelings go. Encourage him to be the bigger man. Encourage him to let go of all expectations so that he can no longer have his feelings hurt. Encourage him to lose the long face and the hurt puppy-dog looks when the coach does not call his name. Encourage him that his self-worth is not defined by what that coach thinks but by what God and he thinks. God made him perfect and encourage him that way. Encourage him to be the best teammate. Be the guy who does all the team dirty work. Be the guy who picks everyone else up and expects nothing in return. Be the guy who will do whatever it takes to be the bigger man no matter how poorly that coach treats him. Be the humble one without expectation. Encourage him this way so he can be liberated from these feelings.
When he sees that he can contribute to that team no matter how poorly he is treated then he will have learned the ultimate lesson. He will have let go of his chains and he will have broken the cycle. He will have broken the catch22. Encourage him and magical things can happen. Worse case this summer but presently in his mind because he will know that he can overcome and that no other human being can control his emotions or more importantly his self-worth.
quote:Originally posted by Judy:
2nd issue...coach was offended when he found out that son was seeing a private pitching coach...son was doing very poorly in fall workouts and coach wanted to "start over" with teaching son to pitch. Son had one workout with the private coach and the problem was solved. The private lesson was scheduled before that, but coach was angry and didn't want to know feedback from private coach.
I think this may be where the problem lies, teh coach offered to help your son and he let it be known that he had a pitching coach. I don't agree with the way he's acting but if this guy has a huge ego, then he's decided that your son isn't going to play because he didn't want his help.
FWIW, this is a huge lesson I hope that parents reading will learn, the pitching lessons are ok, never let your current coach know that you are working with someone else. Accept the current coaches help and say nothing, get up on the mound or in teh batters box and do yor job, if you get outs or produce runs, coaches in the end don't care who taught you.
CD has given you good advice for your son to follow.
Judy,
Lots of coaches are poison. Thats part of the game and the challenge - at all levels.
My eldest son was jerked around for 2 years. He never got dispirited - he just got more angry and more focused and jumped on the next opportunity to escape his situation.
My youngest son is now in the same position. The coach puts him in the game in the top or bottom of the ninth with 15 and 20 run leads. The message is simple - Coach wants him gone. He can either get dispirited and quit the game - or do like his older brother - and jump on the next opportunity that he finds.
IMO - One thing shouldnt happen (baring concerns about injury or safety) - and that is Mommy or Daddy speaking to the Coach.
Mommy and Daddy should stay in the stands - cheer the team on until the game is over - and then go home.
Good luck.
Lots of coaches are poison. Thats part of the game and the challenge - at all levels.
My eldest son was jerked around for 2 years. He never got dispirited - he just got more angry and more focused and jumped on the next opportunity to escape his situation.
My youngest son is now in the same position. The coach puts him in the game in the top or bottom of the ninth with 15 and 20 run leads. The message is simple - Coach wants him gone. He can either get dispirited and quit the game - or do like his older brother - and jump on the next opportunity that he finds.
IMO - One thing shouldnt happen (baring concerns about injury or safety) - and that is Mommy or Daddy speaking to the Coach.
Mommy and Daddy should stay in the stands - cheer the team on until the game is over - and then go home.
Good luck.
itsinthegame nailed this one. As a player you have choices to make. You can feel sorry for yourself. You can lose confidence in your ability to actually play. You can whine and pout and look for excuses. Or you can continue to work your butt off. Keep a positive attitude. And if you not given an opportunity to show what you can do go somewhere where you will.
But its on the player not the parent or parents. Support your kid and listen to them. And pull for his team. Outside of that its on the player to do what he has to do.
But its on the player not the parent or parents. Support your kid and listen to them. And pull for his team. Outside of that its on the player to do what he has to do.
Thanks guys. I post here so that I can vent and not reflect my true feelings to my son, the other parents in the stands, the coach. We are great team supporters and happily cheer on the other kids. We won't speak to the coach. My problem with this is that it feels like condoning the actions of a bully. Burying our feelings and asking son to bury his feelings is like swallowing the Kool Aid. It poisons the soul...I know it's what we have to do, but I hate it.
IMO, stop feeling sorry for your son and his situation, at one time or another every player has had to put up with some form of koolaid BS. That's part of what this is all about, the adversity you face and how you overcome it.
quote:FWIW I know who the pitching coach is and he is a good one--one of our pitchers, who was a LHP and threw similar to Judy's son, went to him when he was in HS and this boy was from MA.
Could you please send me a pm with info on pitching coach. I am looking for a good one for my son and we are from MA as well.
gap2gap, you have a PM
Hi Judy,
Welcome to the HSBBW...
I want to add a couple of things that as a coach and a parent with a kid playing JV that I think are important.
I cannot emphasize this point anymore than this...Please do not let your son know how you and your husband feel about the coach. It will not help him get more innings or to increase his performance. If you and your husband have already aired it out in front of your son it's now essential (for your son) you shift gears.
You, your husband, son and an act of Congress is not going to change the coach and how he is handling this situation. You have absolutely zero control...so why not change the things you can?
As hard as it may seem avoid negative statements about the coach and program. Instead, focus helping your son increase his pitching ability by encouraging a good work ethic, proper coaching, increasing velocity through good mechanics and maintaining a good diet.
Let him know that he his day will come as long as he works hard and maintains a good attitude about himself, the coach and his team. I know how hard this is because I have lived through this more than once, but it can be done. If you do not want your son's HS BB career to end prematurely through a discouraged spirit, a new direction is needed...it is not too late.
Remember, all you can only control is what you can control...
Welcome to the HSBBW...
I want to add a couple of things that as a coach and a parent with a kid playing JV that I think are important.
I cannot emphasize this point anymore than this...Please do not let your son know how you and your husband feel about the coach. It will not help him get more innings or to increase his performance. If you and your husband have already aired it out in front of your son it's now essential (for your son) you shift gears.
You, your husband, son and an act of Congress is not going to change the coach and how he is handling this situation. You have absolutely zero control...so why not change the things you can?
As hard as it may seem avoid negative statements about the coach and program. Instead, focus helping your son increase his pitching ability by encouraging a good work ethic, proper coaching, increasing velocity through good mechanics and maintaining a good diet.
Let him know that he his day will come as long as he works hard and maintains a good attitude about himself, the coach and his team. I know how hard this is because I have lived through this more than once, but it can be done. If you do not want your son's HS BB career to end prematurely through a discouraged spirit, a new direction is needed...it is not too late.
Remember, all you can only control is what you can control...
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Trust me, Coach Waltrip knows what he's talking about...take a look at his cubicle!
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- "Remember, all you can only control is what you can control..."
Trust me, Coach Waltrip knows what he's talking about...take a look at his cubicle!
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