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Expanded roster, and scholarship exemptions must come with this!
scholarship exemptions likely only help the big schools. Smaller don't have the budgets.
Give these organizations time to figure it out. It's a bigger problem- as some have pointed out - for those who are graduating, those who cant afford a graduate year.
I love this decision but (IMO) it’s is going to create a lot of disappointment because lots of these kids won’t be asked to come back because of incoming freshmen.
A lot of these kids can't afford or don't want to spend the money to come back, and it goes down the line I'm sure. My understanding is everyone gets a year of eligibility back. My son is committed to a school with 10 seniors (2 are grad students).
Anyway, until there is more clarity not much I can worry about now.
hshuler posted:I love this decision but (IMO) it’s is going to create a lot of disappointment because lots of these kids won’t be asked to come back because of incoming freshmen.
I didn't think about this. I guess the coaches might trim from each class to get rosters in line quickly. It could be brutal for the tail of the rosters.
... and I didn't think about underclassmen getting their year back as well. In my mind, it would be a consideration just for seniors. But, if true and all get another year, this could have more of an impact on recruiting than expected. It still seems the fair and right thing to do... but may certainly make life interesting for the next few incoming classes.
I sure wouldn't want to be committed to those schools with a huge recruiting class. That will be cut throat...
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Already signed....how do they deal with that?
Verbals only....YIKES!!
Belts going to get tight for 22s
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nycdad posted:scholarship exemptions likely only help the big schools. Smaller don't have the budgets.
The decisions are based on the big programs. Always follow the money.
Wonder if they will grant an additional red shirt year for incoming freshman, a traditional red shirt year just in case and a "corona" red shirt year.
cabbagedad posted:... and I didn't think about underclassmen getting their year back as well. In my mind, it would be a consideration just for seniors. But, if true and all get another year, this could have more of an impact on recruiting than expected. It still seems the fair and right thing to do... but may certainly make life interesting for the next few incoming classes.
Why would it be only seniors? Everyone has been affected. The way I look at this: there will be more talented players than ever on each roster, at each level. Guys may need to transfer down a level, depending on what’s coming in behind them. But, at least guys will have that option (possibly). The top guys from top programs will be lost to the draft as usual. Other division 1 programs may become more competitive with higher RPI programs. It could make for a very fun to watch season. Domino effect for each level.
Eoker, it’s always cut throat. Coach will keep the players that he thinks will get the most wins. If you signed a LOI, it won’t matter. He’ll let ya know your services are no longer needed. “We’re going in a different direction.” Etc.
RoadRunner posted:Eoker, it’s always cut throat. Coach will keep the players that he thinks will get the most wins. If you signed a LOI, it won’t matter. He’ll let ya know your services are no longer needed. “We’re going in a different direction.” Etc.
Just more knives and more throats next year.
RoadRunner posted:Eoker, it’s always cut throat. Coach will keep the players that he thinks will get the most wins. If you signed a LOI, it won’t matter. He’ll let ya know your services are no longer needed. “We’re going in a different direction.” Etc.
It is, but this goes back to what's often said here, do your research about the program you're going into.Obviously you can't research this, but IMO this is not the same situation as just going in and knowing you have to compete.
I don don't know what the answer is. I do this this is more likely to affect 2021s. Lots of seniors will already have jobs lined up.
Of course I'm biased having a 2020 and 2022, but would be nice to allow 2020s and 2021s a one time transfer under certain conditions, I'm not sure exactly what those conditions would be, depends what the NCAA ends up doing.
Probably a stupid question, but the the statement from the NCAA specifies eligibility relief for D1 athletes. Any guess as to why it isn't "D1 and D2"?
Reading the NCAA website, it appears that the cancellation may affect some D2 athletes as well. Or am I reading it wrong?
"Division II student-athletes must complete their four seasons of competition within the first 10 semesters or 15 quarters of full-time enrollment."
Yep definitely cut throat. Didn't say it wasn't or wouldn't be. But I sure wouldn't want to be at a Vandy or Ark with 19-20 coming in each of the next 2 years classes. Ark loves their JUCO transfers, so does Tx A&M. A lot more guys fighting for roster spots there. The guys are going D1, it's always going to be cut throat and every year, they bring in more people trying to take your job.
It sucks for 2020s, even more for 2021 because they don’t have to honor those. Wondering if more HS will go in the draft that had planned to do college. If the push the draft, do the 2020s even get a choice? It’s a mess.
Curious how it'll work out for DIII guys going to grad school, like my son. He's eligible for a medical redshirt for this season, to boot, having just had wrist surgery. He's been accepted to several schools already, though no word yet from the one he applied to where he thinks he'd have the best chance to play.
jacjacatk posted:Curious how it'll work out for DIII guys going to grad school, like my son. He's eligible for a medical redshirt for this season, to boot, having just had wrist surgery. He's been accepted to several schools already, though no word yet from the one he applied to where he thinks he'd have the best chance to play.
Are you thinking he would get 2 additional years? That would be cool but I’d be surprised if they grant two for one messed up year.
He didn't play as a freshman, and is under the impression he has a year of eligibility because of that. If that's correct, the question becomes whether this "amnesty" and/or the medical redshirt/hardship waiver for this year would get him into the 6-years to play 4 crowd (he'd presumably have one year, no matter what).
He's in a team meeting about the season right now, we'll see if that provides any info.
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I would expect 2 years but no expert
It sounds to me like he had a “developmental” RS and medical/corona in 2 separate years? If so, I would think he would get 2 more years.
baseballhs posted:It sucks for 2020s, even more for 2021 because they don’t have to honor those. Wondering if more HS will go in the draft that had planned to do college. If the push the draft, do the 2020s even get a choice? It’s a mess.
I think this is right. It's really the worse for 2021's at this point. 2020's don't have it great but they have signed LOI's and have been accepted to their schools. The HS 2021 classes just might be very small relative to normal classes depending on the schools. 2020's though will have to play through a lot of players and some legit men who might be as old as 23 vs some kids who are 17! That is a mismatch. I think our sons just need to embrace the challenge. This is one heck of a life lesson for any Junior in HS to senior in college.
IDK, this concerns PO's more than PP's to me as they are more likely to get a decent scholarship. That said be it underclass or upperclass how many, unless really being looked at for the draft, are going to come back at 15k+ to play baseball. I love my kid but at that point he'd have to secure his own funding.
it’s an extra year to raise stock if you aren’t a top pick.
As a uncommitted 2021 RHP my heart is broken as all of the sacrifices and pain that I have endured to get to this point may have been for nothing. I have been in contact with a few mid-low D1 coaches and was excited for the summer to get more exposure but I bet most showcases will be canceled like PG has done. It was not easy to gain 8mph and 35lbs in 6 months but I was carried by my dream of playing D1 ball. I don’t know what is going to happen. Any insight?
11.7 scholarships going to get increased greatly for 2021 season as well as the 27 person limit and 25 % deal.
wonder what it will end up being? maybe they make it like football and Basketball.
RHP21 posted:As a uncommitted 2021 RHP my heart is broken as all of the sacrifices and pain that I have endured to get to this point may have been for nothing. I have been in contact with a few mid-low D1 coaches and was excited for the summer to get more exposure but I bet most showcases will be canceled like PG has done. It was not easy to gain 8mph and 35lbs in 6 months but I was carried by my dream of playing D1 ball. I don’t know what is going to happen. Any insight?
All of your 2021 competition is in the same boat, so you are not disadvantaged. Keep working hard, let this play out, and take advantage of appropriate recruiting opportunities when they become available. Things will work out, coaches will need a full roster of 2021s just like they do for each class.
RHP21 posted:As a uncommitted 2021 RHP my heart is broken as all of the sacrifices and pain that I have endured to get to this point may have been for nothing. I have been in contact with a few mid-low D1 coaches and was excited for the summer to get more exposure but I bet most showcases will be canceled like PG has done. It was not easy to gain 8mph and 35lbs in 6 months but I was carried by my dream of playing D1 ball. I don’t know what is going to happen. Any insight?
Don’t stop fighting. Don’t stop believing. What I’ve seen over the years as a travel coach and a parent is the players who want it and are legitimate prospects get what they want if they’re willing to fight for it.
Don’t stop fighting. Don’t stop believing. What I’ve seen over the years as a travel coach and a parent is the players who want it and are legitimate prospects get what they want if they’re willing to fight for it.
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wouldn't they just follow the "nonmedical hardship waiver" format? Give a blanket approval based on the circumstance, but still hold true the five year participation limit so that they don't have 24-25 year olds on their roster? maybe if you have previously redshirt (whether medical or not), then you most likely do not qualify. I guess we will just wait and see what they come up with.
I think you will see more guys try to draft out of high school now than deal with this mess and the extra competition and reduced playing opportunity and time. If that is the case or happens.
Why a blanket extra year for all 4 classes?
It isn’t like the MLB isn’t going to draft this year. I think the seniors came back for a reason. The didn't draft or didn't like their slot. They shouldn’t need another year. Juniors hoping to draft this year still have a chance to draft this or go back and draft after their senior. Sophomores, aren't affected. Freshman, aren't affected. Red Shirt Seniors, definitely not affected.
Yes, losing the remaining of the season sucks, BUT everyone got the benefit of fall ball and prep and spring season prep. Weight room, nutrition, pitching/batting coach....
How many team roster spots have seniors on them? Typically not many. And they typically finish school/baseball and try to draft and/or more likely finish up and get a job. You’re going to create a 4 year problem for the small number of seniors who also had an opportunity to draft last year but chose not to. There are still or would be MLB workouts, etc.....
I don’t get it.... help me understand this a bit better?
I agree with Eokerholm. If this were to truly play out, it would adversely impact more kids than it would help. But reality it, there are fewer non-RS seniors, some will get drafted and others will just move on with their lives. For those wanting the extra year (and can afford it) they’ll have to go the grad school route, and getting a roster spot won’t be guaranteed, despite the extra year of eligibility.
Every underclassman granted the extra year, will go through the same cycle, once seniors.
I think it’s a nice gesture that won’t have a material impact. Maybe CBI can create a list of college seniors, who have already used their 4 years, and we can see how it plays out when next year’s rosters are set.
Probably impacts those who wanted to get a fresh new start by transferring the most, as there will be a few more kids in that pool.
RHP21 posted:As a uncommitted 2021 RHP my heart is broken as all of the sacrifices and pain that I have endured to get to this point may have been for nothing. I have been in contact with a few mid-low D1 coaches and was excited for the summer to get more exposure but I bet most showcases will be canceled like PG has done. It was not easy to gain 8mph and 35lbs in 6 months but I was carried by my dream of playing D1 ball. I don’t know what is going to happen. Any insight?
Yeah, probably what you should do regardless of the Coronavirus, JUCO then DI.
So my son is a junior (2021) at a D1 school in the MAC. Assuming he graduates next year, I'm assuming he could come back as a grad player, in 2022 He currently receives a partial scholarship (like most) and the balance is covered with academic money. I'm guessing that if he comes back, he would need to come up with the $ for difference between his athletic scholarship, including the increase cost of grad classes, as his undergrad scholarship would be done? (right?) Lots of time to think about it. Just curious if anyone has a thought on this. Wondering how much financial sense does it make to come back for another year for baseball when not really pursuing a grad degree. He has a slight possibility of being drafted in late rounds RHP 93-95 FB 6'3" 225 lbs.
CTbballDad posted:I agree with Eokerholm. If this were to truly play out, it would adversely impact more kids than it would help. But reality it, there are fewer non-RS seniors, some will get drafted and others will just move on with their lives. For those wanting the extra year (and can afford it) they’ll have to go the grad school route, and getting a roster spot won’t be guaranteed, despite the extra year of eligibility.
Every underclassman granted the extra year, will go through the same cycle, once seniors.
I think it’s a nice gesture that won’t have a material impact. Maybe CBI can create a list of college seniors, who have already used their 4 years, and we can see how it plays out when next year’s rosters are set.
Probably impacts those who wanted to get a fresh new start by transferring the most, as there will be a few more kids in that pool.
Keep in mind a redshirt freshman is likely to be twenty-three heading to short season. There are very few outside pitchers who just found their 95 mph fastball.
Has there been an announcement that D3 players will get an extra year of eligibility, too? In that world, there aren't scholarship limits to contend with, and not many players who are thinking seriously about the draft.
Selfishly, as the parent of 2020 HS player going to a D3 next year, I'm wondering what the real impact of this will be. The selfish side of me doesn't love the idea of Jr. having up to ~25% more players to compete with for playing time than he would have otherwise, all older and more experienced than he is. I'm not arguing against an extra year of eligibility; just pondering what it will mean in practice.
If there is a recession, that could be a game changer. Staying in school to get a graduate degree or just pick up an additional major suddenly would look a lot more attractive. As I recall, grad school admissions ticked up considerably during the 2008 recession. Many (most?) members of the college class of 2020 already have jobs or grad school lined up. But some of those jobs could disappear if the economy takes a significant downturn.
And small colleges without many graduate study options may not be able to retain many 5th year players. So does that mean Tufts and other universities will be welcoming graduates from the Middleburys and Amhersts of the world?
So happy for players getting another year that lost this spring season; anxious about my son's situation as a 2021, not just for baseball but for getting into college, as well. SATs canceled, too. Who knows if all the APs he's been taking will have the tests on time. There is a big academic component to this as well. His school has closed in MD and they have ZERO online courses or any capability to grade because of lack of training and legal issues. What does that do to the academic year? The kid has worked so F'in hard to get smarter, stronger, gain weight and gain velo. Spring HS season is probably toast. I just keep telling him head down and keep working - now the season starts at Showball in Texas in early June. Fingers crossed. As a parent, we've tried to invest smart and time out his opportunities so he can show his best stuff. My son is fortunate in that we have the means to do this, but this is what the "Best laid plans of mice and men" really feels like. Tough, but not tougher than all the families that are suffering and will suffer a wide range of hardships across the next year. This just sucks for everyone, but I am happy the NCAA did what it did even if it complicates recruiting and rosters and scholarships. If it's meant to be, it's meant to be, I guess. As a Dad and husband, it's a bitter pill to swallow when my wife and I felt we were in such a great place and now...who the hell knows? I always told my son you might work harder than you've ever worked in your life and not get what you want. That's life. I guess its the work and discipline and effort that will last longer than this virus and what comes along the next few years. Stay safe everyone. Peace.