Notre Dame Football

recruiting.

It is a critical time for recruiting for all colleges. The only chance ND has to keep its early recruits is to get a coach on board ASAP.

Smart move by ND. Cincinnati and its players, however, are left in the lurch, and unfairly so in a perfect world.

Very unclassy on the part of ND, but I'm not sure what else could have been expected. It's a big, big business.

I'm not sure who is unclassy in this:

1. Notre Dame
2. Brian Kelly
3. The coach-changing process?

Wouldn't Kelly beating Florida be a great recruiting tool for him as he moves to ND?

As a devout Hokie fan, my reaction to Notre Dame is:


yawn, ho hum

When the now former players don't even applaud, with some walking out of the "farewell meeting", it shows that Kelly has a character issue. He hasn't impressed me with his demeanor on TV with his players and coaches in the slightest.

I suspect the ND roller coaster will continue, which is fine with me. They seem to want to be the New York Yankees of college football, but even with their own TV network (NDBC), their track record in recent years isn't good. You can't buy college players, and lots of big time schools have overwhelming facilities and programs. Some day they will figure out they need to join a good conference.

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"I suspect the ND roller coaster will continue, which is fine with me."

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Not only is the head coach leaving, but his coordinators and several position coaches are going with him. Cincinatti is screwed from a recruiting standpoint. Will the waterboy coach the bowl game? I wouldn't take Cincinatti and twenty points against Florida.

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I'm not sure who is unclassy in this:

1. Notre Dame
2. Brian Kelly
3. The coach-changing process?

It for sure is Notre Dame. To make an announcement during ESPN's awards show last night was tacky. To take attention away from well deserving players who proved it on the field to get attention on your off the field coaching change speaks volumes about that school.

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AWARD-WINNING CINCINNATI CHILI RECIPE

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Winning Cincinnati Chili

1 PICK-UP LOAD ground beef.
150 LB medium onion, finely chopped.
200 cloves of garlic, minced.
20 CUPS chili powder.
1 KNAPSACK unsweetened cocoa.
1 5 LB BAG EACH dry mustard, cumin, paprika and salt.
12 CUPS EACH cayenne pepper and black pepper.
6 CUPS EACH allspice, cardamom, cinnamon and cloves.
2 30 GAL TRASH CANS (preferably clean) crushed tomatoes (or in this case oranges).
10 #10 CANS tomato sauce.
3 CASES Fleets Phospho-Soda© colonoscopy prep kits.
Run the hose for a minute or two for water or suit to taste.

Cook ground beef (don't forget to take it out of the truck), onions, and garlic in the largest pan you have ever seen or 400 Dutch ovens over medium high heat until meat loses red color (or until the headlights turn off if you forgot to remove the truck). Pour off drippings, and if necessary crankcase oil, brake fluid, and coolant. Stir in remaining ingredients. Bring to boil, reduce heat, adjust the seat, and simmer uncovered for 1-1 1/2 hours or 150 miles whichever comes first.

Serve over vermicelli, thin spaghetti noodles, or those wiring harnesses you won't be needing anymore.

Top with:

Finely shredded cheddar cheese.
Pinto and/or kidney beans.
Finely chopped onion.
Oyster crackers.
Frank's Red Hot©.
Any knobs, change, or bottle caps that cooked loose.

Feeds one highly ranked football team.



With a smiling face and restrained laughter serve to the entire voracious Gator team. Stand way, way back and enjoy!

And a reminder...don't skimp on the porta-potties. And it will help to keep the doors propped open! Oh...the firehose. Have a few of those handy.





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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:

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I'm not sure who is unclassy in this:

1. Notre Dame
2. Brian Kelly
3. The coach-changing process?

It for sure is Notre Dame. To make an announcement during ESPN's awards show last night was tacky. To take attention away from well deserving players who proved it on the field to get attention on your off the field coaching change speaks volumes about that school.

In their eyes nothing is bigger and more important than Notre Dame football. It's why they're so easy to root against.

I love all this ND stuff--I had a carpenter forman years back, strict catholic, who used to argue with me that they didn't do "favors" for the football recruits when they were annually in the Top 10---now that the playing field has leveled things ain't the same---the ND people do not realize it yet but they are now just like all the other football "powers"

And yeah I understand the business end of it all but Kelly screwed his Cincy kids--You had to like the Cincy senior who stated publicly that " we made the plans--he isn't needed--we will do what we have to"

Kids transfer and get a one year sit out--coaches transfer and the school they leave gets a Million dollar payoff while,the coach gets a huge increase in pay and no penalty to the coach--Yeah Right !!!!!

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Originally posted by biggerpapi:
Wouldn't Kelly beating Florida be a great recruiting tool for him as he moves to ND?

The devils advocate asks.......

Wouldn't a blue chip prospect be impressed if the future ND coach would rather sit in his living than on the sideline with another team playing in a BCS bowl? Many would think it is showing a commitment to his new program.

This seems like the perfect time to recruit because many of the power teams you are competing for recruits with are preparing for a bowl.

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Kids transfer and get a one year sit out--coaches transfer and the school they leave gets a Million dollar payoff while,the coach gets a huge increase in pay and no penalty to the coach--Yeah Right !!!!!

Here's the one I hate. The coach leaves just ahead of the NCAA hound dogs. The team ends up on probation, the players can't do a bowl trip and the coach gets away free at a new program.

Lou Holtz was caught cheating everywhere but Notre Dame. Did he find God at Notre Dame? I doubt it. The joke used to be every time Holtz was caught cheating at Notre Dame a second tier program in the region would be put on probation as a warning the NCAA is watching.

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screwed his Cincy kids

Trhit

Nothing wron with taking the job but the timing is just awful. why Notre Dame and Kelly could not have waited till after the Bowl game is beyond me. Those players at cincinatti were never thought of in this matter. Who cares about them? Well evidently no one involved. Sad

Just think of the chaos we would have had if they would not have added a second to the clock in the Big 12 championship....

1-Texas would not be in the championship,
2-TCU would still be ticked off because Cincy would be in,
3-Cincy would be playing for the mythical NC without a headcoach.

Wow.

What bugs me the most about this kind of thing is that you are always hearing from coaches about staying with the program, the team is more important than the player. Sacrifice for the good of the team.

Then a big time coach pulls this !@#@#. No wonder there isn't any loyalty. The me first attitude starts at the top and works its way to the players. Not the other way around.

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Originally posted by Doughnutman:

The me first attitude starts at the top and works its way to the players. Not the other way around.

Narcissim at it's finest!

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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
Just think of the chaos we would have had if they would not have added a second to the clock in the Big 12 championship....

1-Texas would not be in the championship,
2-TCU would still be ticked off because Cincy would be in,
3-Cincy would be playing for the mythical NC without a headcoach.

Wow.

If Cincy was in the "snicker" "snicker" national chapionship game there is no way he takes the Notre Dame job. He's getting ripped enough as it is but imagine how bad it would be if he did that.

Probably wait until after the "giggle" "giggle" national championship game to take the job if he did. But that would still get him roasted.

The NCAA should implement a rule coaches can't be interviewed until their season is over. It's the only way to protect the players.

There's nothing wrong with Kelly taking the Notre Dame job. It's considered one of the most prestigious coaching jobs in sports. But the timing was classless by Kelly and Notre Dame. The hell with recruiting. Show some respect and class. You don't walk out of a real job the day you submit your resignation unless the company shows you the door.

Besides, college football isn't big business and big bucks. It's about student-athletes.

Under his breath the evil side of rz1 is saying

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How soon we forget what these kids are going to school for. It's not for a BCS bowl, its for an education (tuition, room, board). The backside is athletics and the pursuit of a potential pro contract. We also forget that the coaches contract is not with the NCAA, it's with the school or maybe we want the NCAA have more power than it now has. Maybe Cinci should have written in his contract that he could not pursue/interview/accept another job until the ongoing season was completed.

These are not necessarily my opinions, rather an argument from another dimension.

Put yourself in Kelly's spot, Would you have done different? Would you have sacrificed your families lifelong financial well-being and your professional dream for 80 kids who will be gone, and for the most part out of your life in 3 years or less?

If yes, you would do different, then the Univ of Cinci is your retirement village.

Put yourself in the ND AD's spot, Would you have done different? If you were the CEO of a top 10 corp and the R&D group reported that you would lose the patents on new products unless they could be secured promptly, and the bean counter said future years like the past are not acceptable, and the Sales Dept predicted that a sudden earth shaking news flash would be the best thing for future profits. Would you postpone that hiring decision for a more "pc" time?

If yes, you would do different, then that golden dome over your office may be replaced with golden arches.

I do see the method behind Kelly's and ND maddness. Do I like it....personally no, but, it's their business and not mine. If this hiring scenario were to happen at Freakin U, not a post would be mentioned on this site but the same number of players lives would be affected.

IMO, The monster was created and supported by the media and ever growing alumni numbers with deep pockets, loud voices, and selfish values.

In baseball it also happens at all levels, but to different degrees. From LL's to travel teams to HS, to college to pros there will always be someone trying to buy/steal the top rung. As parents we can use these examples as a tool to teach our kids that the world is not a bed of roses but if you give 110% on and off the field, be your own person, respect others, you will succeed, and have a good chance of beating the system on your terms.

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Originally posted by Will:
Nothing wron with taking the job but the timing is just awful. why Notre Dame and Kelly could not have waited till after the Bowl game is beyond me. Those players at cincinatti were never thought of in this matter. Who cares about them? Well evidently no one involved. Sad

That's what I'm trying to say. Of course, he should take the job but they should have waited until after the bowl game. I don't believe for one minute that three weeks of non-recruiting would hurt ND.

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Originally posted by RJM:
The NCAA should implement a rule coaches can't be interviewed until their season is over. It's the only way to protect the players.

No kidding. There are so many NCAA rules, this would be one that actually makes sense.

Kelly was their choice. Had he insisted on keeping mum until after the bowl game, ND might not have preferred that but would've done it to get their top guy. ND would not settle for # 2 over this issue.

Bottom line, Kelly put 3 weeks of recruiting time for his new job ahead of the bowl game for his current team.

I know he'll face immediate pressure to turn the program around, but that just plain stinks.

When destiny calls you follow your calling or it passes you by. That is the truth for all of us. Those who ignore their calling usually live to regret that decision. Happiness is in the attempt to accomplish the greatest challenge of your life. All else shrinks to insignificance. Isn't that the same with all of these boys who aspire to play in the Big Show one of these days. What do you say to them, should they put their chance off to appease the idea of loyalty to a place in time, not loyalty to the dream you have been working your whole life to achieve? I don't think so. Coach Kelly did the right thing for his future, his family and for ND. Cincinnati will survive Coach Kelly, and his players who love him will wish him well and prepare for their opportunity to show the appreciation to him for leading them to a 12-0 season. Now it is time for them to come together and show that they are men who can apply the lessons they have been taught. For BB players it is always about the next at-bat, the next pitch, the next fielding opportunity. What are you going to do with it is always the question. For coaches it is no different. It is always about the next game, the next opponent, and yes the next team. That's the truth of the sports entertainment business. You better understand it or you will not survive very long in the extreme competitive environment it is.
JMO

The timing of recruiting requires this kind of timing of signing coaches.

Neither Notre Dame nor Kelly have done anything immoral, in violation of NCAA rules nor anything that is not common practice when a University and a Coach "find" one another.

I wish them both well.

Actually, Jimmy, you can make a strong argument that what ND did is immoral to the core. This is a Catholic school, espousing strong Christian values and trying to change the world.

What they failed to do here is practice the Golden Rule.

Even if it is business as usual in big time college football, the behavior of the institution that is ND in this situation is no less than disgusting, unethical and, yes, even immoral. Even if a recruiting advantage would have been lost -- and it would have been -- ND could have -- and should have -- waited until Cincinnati finished is season. It was the only right and moral thing to do.

For Kelley, no surprise. For ND, I guess no surprise either.

As a Catholic, I am so happy I never had any desire ever to even apply to the place and happier still that none of my kids did. It has nothing special to offer at all. It only pretends to.

I'm sorry if your sensibilities were offended. But, again, the transaction between ND and Kelly was not against any rule and was, in fact, within tradition of college football.

It may be one you disagree with, but is has nothing to do with the golden rule. Notre Dmae has a responsibility to its players and program and we would be criticizing them if they risked their program and waited while other teams signed the better coaches available.

Coaches deciding to leave a bowl bound team happens often. A coach getting a team to a bowl, or the March Tournament in the case of basketball, is often done with this as the objective. You might argue that the players are agrieved parties, and you'd be right. Unintended consequences are a b!tch.

As a Catholic and a father of an alum, I am proud of what ND teaches and how it fulfills its mission.

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Don't keep 'em in the package jemaz...open it up and pass 'em out!






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jemaz quote:
It has nothing special to offer at all. It only pretends to.

So true jemaz.

The funny part is I have respected many Notre Dame athletes as great competitors and for the most part are quality people outside their sport. IMHO, the academics is quality but the Athletic dept hides behind the cloak of Catholicism for financial gain and an excuse to get into blue chippers homes, and that is so wrong.

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Originally posted by rz1:

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jemaz quote:
It has nothing special to offer at all. It only pretends to.

So true jemaz.

The funny part is I have respected many Notre Dame athletes as great competitors and for the most part are quality people outside their sport. IMHO, the academics is quality but the Athletic dept hides behind the cloak of Catholicism for financial gain and an excuse to get into blue chippers homes, and that is so wrong.

Spoken as one who, it would appear, does not have first hand experience with that of which he speaks.

My daughter experienced the University working to fullfill its mission statement and mission (http://www.nd.edu/aboutnd/mission-statement/) in her classrooms, sport team, on campus life and during university organized work-stays in impoverished areas of South America and the United States, building homee and schools, digging wells and irriagation systems and educationing the people in hygiene, health, food safety and self advocacy.

I do not suggest that ND has a monopoly on this, but neither do they "hide behind" their catholicism and ignore their obligations.

Quote by Tx-Husker:
Just think of the chaos we would have had if they would not have added a second to the clock in the Big 12 championship....

I think you meant to say- Just think of the chaos we would have had if they would not have added put back the second on the clock in the Big 12 championship....

No, I said it right workinghard. Official game clock on the field said 00:00. ABC's clock said 00:01. The changed the official clock to match ABC's clock.

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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
No, I said it right workinghard. Official game clock on the field said 00:00. ABC's clock said 00:01. The changed the official clock to match ABC's clock.

Neither the scoreboard clock nor the tv clock are the official time. There's a game official with an official clock somewhere in a booth.

So sorry to mispeak, RJM. The official game clock said 00:00. ABC's clock said 00:01. The changed the official clock to match ABC's clock.

If Cinncinnati beats Florida, without their head coach, I will declare the Bearcats national champions!

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Spoken as one who, it would appear, does not have first hand experience with that of which he speaks...

...I do not suggest that ND has a monopoly on this, but neither do they "hide behind" their catholicism and ignore their obligations.

Jimmy03,
If you read my post I have much respect for the institution, their mission, and the graduates. I will question the Athletic Departments facade of following that Catholic mission statement. The ND Athletic dept did not line it's pockets by following that same golden rule.

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If Cinncinnati beats Florida, without their head coach, I will declare the Bearcats national champions!

Would that make them the "VD National Champions"? Not sure I want to see that trophy.

Husker,

I'll prevent from putting the smiley face this time since you sound so bitter.

The better team usually finds a way of winning controversial or close games. You know, kind of like New Orleans did last week vs Washington.

(1) Alabama vs (2) Texas for the BCS National Championship!

It is what it is........

I'm not bitter. Nebraska's defense played fantasic...just like they have all year. Offense sucked wind. You get 100 yards of offense and you won't win many games. You never heard me say Texas wasn't the better team.

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The timing of recruiting requires this kind of timing of signing coaches.

the timing for recruiting for who? Notre Dame. What about the recruiting for Cincinatti.

All I hope for is that we are back here at the end of Kelly's contract questioning the never-ending hypocrisy of ND and looking back on five more years of mediocrity.