PLAYER APPEARANCE = MEXICAN STANDOFF

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Originally posted by sandlotmom:
Sounds like he's made his decision that college ball (and the possibility of losing a chance at it) is not as important to him as his individuality. Nothing wrong with that. Some kids don't want college ball as much as they want other things in their lives. Why can't he have both? Because baseball is a sport in which a direct line of command is necessary. No haircut, no line of command.

One thing you have to wonder about is how he's going to handle being a resident if he puts his individuality above the Chief's edicts.

I smell a life lesson.

Yeah, me too. Rationalizing that he "still has travel ball" is code for "I don't care if I play baseball."

If you don't care if you play college ball or HS for that matter, you won't. Baseball demands care. It weeds out careless...daily.

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Originally posted by Coach Waltrip:

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Originally posted by Vicarious Dad:

What if the coach says he wants all players to have mohicans, or their hair dyed black? Would everyone (parents) go along with that, too?

V-dad,

Yes, then I would get a mohawk...

One who walks in another's tracks leaves no footprints. ~Proverb

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Quoted by Vicarious Dad
I don't think a high school coach has the authority to tell a kid how long his hair can be. The NFHS can tell him how he has to wear it, but nobody, except his parents, can tell him how he has to cut it.

In certain areas of the country at least, coaches most certainly can mandate haircuts. My son's high school coach required short hair cuts and clean-shaven faces, and all the players abided by the rules, whether they liked them or not. One player arrived in the locker room one day with bleached blonde hair and the coach said dye it back to your natural color or you're off the team. He dyed it back.

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Quoted by 00's Dad
However would that increase his talent or just give him an animosity toward his coach that would become
an unresolvable issue?

00'sDAD, it wouldn't increase his talent, but it would probably make him more presentable, and he would look more like a "team player." And that animosity comment concerns me, as it sounds like your son carries a chip on his shoulder. Respect for an authority figure should preclude animosity and bitterness.

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Originally posted by 00'sDAD:
If I said get an haircut or else he would.
However would that increase his talent or just give him an animosity toward his coach that would become
an unresolvable issue. Would the coach really treat him fairly at this point? He still has his Jr and Sr
year ma bey he will change his mind.

It's not about increasing talent - it's about being part of something more than he is by himself. If he truly has animosity towards his coach over this then he has a lot of growing up to do. I can't really describe it any better than what others have already but it comes down to - does he really want to play the game? Honestly I don't think he does if the hair is this big of a deal.

Also, Vicarious Dad the head coach does have the power to establish rules such as this. Playing baseball (or anything extracurricular) is a privilege and with that comes the understanding that if the kid wants to play on the team he has to abide by the rules established by the coach.

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Originally posted by 00'sDAD:

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Originally posted by Coach Waltrip:

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Originally posted by Vicarious Dad:

What if the coach says he wants all players to have mohicans, or their hair dyed black? Would everyone (parents) go along with that, too?

V-dad,

Yes, then I would get a mohawk...

One who walks in another's tracks leaves no footprints. ~Proverb

Did you come here wanting opinions or did you want us to say what you wanted to hear?

If a kid is more concerned with his hair cut than playing baseball he is better off keeping the hair and simply moving on.

Your son really doesnt want to play. If he did he would not only get a hair cut he would do whatever he needed to do to be a part of the team.

Whats next? There will be more.

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Originally posted by Coach_May:
If a kid is more concerned with his hair cut than playing baseball he is better off keeping the hair and simply moving on.

Your son really doesnt want to play. If he did he would not only get a hair cut he would do whatever he needed to do to be a part of the team.

Whats next? There will be more.

It's not a matter of wanting to play.
I am friends with school board members and have already been told coach's ruling won't stand.
Have not and won't tell my son this as he needsto solve this on his own.

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Originally posted by Coach Waltrip:
I am 53 and graduated from HS in 1975.

You're freakin' old as dirt, dude.

Yes it is about wanting to play.

Is this the first season for this coach or has he been there a while? Is this a new rule or has it been there for a while?

From the way you make it sound this guy is new and trying to establish some discipline. Let me guess - this guy is new and probably young. He's taking over a team that hasn't had much success and huge amount of coach turnover. So this guy comes in and wants to do things his way rather than let the parents run the show and now people are ready to hang him based on your friends with the Board of Education.

If any of this is true you will probably be doing this coach a favor by getting him fired and out of your mess. Seriously why did you ask that question if you already knew all this? Were you trying to start a bash a coach thread?

You and your son are wrong on this matter. Let the man do his job and you might be surprise how well he will do.

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Originally posted by Coach_May:
If a kid is more concerned with his hair cut than playing baseball he is better off keeping the hair and simply moving on.

Your son really doesnt want to play. If he did he would not only get a hair cut he would do whatever he needed to do to be a part of the team.

Whats next? There will be more.

Agreed. Move on. The coach probably already has. Coaches don't have the time or the need to deal with the drama, or beg.

The plot thickens.

Note to Coach. Resign and tell the school board to coach the team. Move to an area where you are allowed to coach the team.

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Originally posted by 00'sDAD:
It's not a matter of wanting to play.
I am friends with school board members and have already been told coach's ruling won't stand.
Have not and won't tell my son this as he needsto solve this on his own.

I feel very sorry for your coach (and your school district) if your school board is worrying about a coach who has a hair cut rule. WOW is all I can say. Coach May you are the man! I wish my son could play for you.

Or you can have the kid with the long hair coach? Maybe dad can be the assistant coach?

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Originally posted by 00'sDAD:
It's not a matter of wanting to play.
I am friends with school board members and have already been told coach's ruling won't stand.
Have not and won't tell my son this as he needsto solve this on his own.

Regardless of whether it would hold up or not, talking to your friends on the school board was a cheap shot. Doesn't matter what the school board rules are, it's the coaches rule, and his school board should have respect for the image he wants his team to project. You've already gotten involved by going to your friend.
This has nothing to do with grades, whether he works or not and what he wants to do after HS. Regardless of whether my player liked a coaches rule, he followed it, he understood that the game is much more than "what's best for me or what I want".
I don't buy into he wants to beat to his own drum, sounds to me like there are other issues going on thanjust having to get a haircut.

Just saying you are going to show this to him, appears to me that playing HS ball is a lot more important to you than he, and you don't know how to approach him, maybe it's not all about the coach.

He shouldn't have to read opinions from strangers, or are you afraid to really tell him how you feel?

Here's a solution.

Tell your kid to cut his hair.
Then - he can play baseball.

After he gets his haircut - buy him some Rogaine - spread it all over his arms and back - and let him grow massive amounts of hair in those permitted areas.

Bingo - a negotiated truce.

He gains more hair - coach gets the haircut - and all is well.

It is very perplexing to me that someone can come on this forum and expect all of the experienced coaches and parents who have seen the ups and downs of having their sons progress to and through college baseball to side against a coach who just wants to set a standard of expectations for his team. It is his team, isn't it?

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I am friends with school board members and have already been told coach's ruling won't stand.

Please let us know how that works for you. If this is true, the decision has already been reached, hasn't it? GED10DaD

I am trying to picture the conversation I would have with a school board member. "Coach you can not have a rule in regards to the length of a players hair." Why is that Mr School Board member? "Because we as a School Board do not believe you have the authority to tell a young man how long his hair can be." Do I have the authority to cut a player from my team during tryouts? "Yes." Do I have the authority to demand that they wear their uniform in a manner that conforms to team rules? "Yes." Do I have the authority to discipline my players for lack of hustle , lack of respect shown to coaches or team mates , not paying attention at practice , breaking team rules? "Yes." Do I have the authority to determine who plays and who does not play? "Yes." Do I have the authority to remove a player from the team for poor academic performance? "Yes."

Then why do you think you have the authority to tell me that I dont have the authority to tell my players how they will represent this program , school and community in their physical appearance while a member of my team? "Uh uh uh".

If you want to coach this team then practice is at 3pm tomorrow. If not then get out of my face with your bs and do your job and let me do mine. And tell your friends to do the same.

I did not contact the school board member his son who also pitches on the team told him and he called me to say he could get my son reinstated on the team but I turned him down As for his desire he told me yesterday
he was going to a try out in a couple of weeks and said he could not work that weekend.

00's dad- you've got to realize this is a die-hard baseball site and to most of us our boys would do anything (almost) to play baseball in high school and in college. So to me it just sounds like a silly excuse just to be difficult with the coach.

Your son should start reading the newspapers. College endowments are in dire straights- most have lost tons on money in recent years and many are cutting way back on academic scholarships. So it's great he's a 4.0 student but that may not be enough to get him a scholarship in college. And if he hasn't done any AP classes as a jr or sr he hasn't even gotten to the hardest classes yet.

You obviously love your son very much and are proud of his accomplishments. That's great but remember he is only 16 and still has lots of growing up to do and still needs your guidance,whether you know it or not.

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Originally posted by Brickhouse:
It is very perplexing to me that someone can come on this forum and expect all of the experienced coaches and parents who have seen the ups and downs of having their sons progress to and through college baseball to side against a coach who just wants to set a standard of expectations for his team. It is his team, isn't it?

I am with you, if it were mine, I'd tell him get a haircut and play or that's it, choice is yours and it's done, who needs to ask opinions.

FWIW, IMO, Lincecum's hair is disgusting.

RR23Jr enjoyed his short hair so much after he made varsity last year he kept it since.

I know what kids have to do to be a part of a program. There is a tremendous amount of sacrifice , dedication , hard work , etc. At the college level even more. When I hear someone say that they are not willing to do something in order to play that tells me they dont want it bad enough to do it. Thats ok. Its not for everyone. That does not make you a bad person. It simply means you are not willing to do what it takes to be a part of something. When I hear that someone is simply not willing to get a hair cut in order to be a part of something that tells me all I need to know.

St Baldricks is coming up on where people shave their heads and collect donations for shaving their heads with the funds going to pediatric cancer. Maybe he should get involved.It is good to get out of thinking just about ourselves, and seeing real problems around us that we can help. A future doc should embrace this idea!

http://www.stbaldricks.org/



Personally, if I heard he didnt want to play because of a haircut, i would think,,, he didnt want to play!

Already In 3 AP classes will finish school early.
Yes I do realize this is a die-hard baseball site.
I just wanted to try to get something more to work with. But it seems that nonconformity of looks brings out the bad side in some people.

FWIW, IMO, Lincecum's hair is disgusting.

I'm sure that if Tim were any of your sons you would be as proud as you could be of "THE FREAK"
Well it's late and this old guy is going to bed thanks for your opinions and good night.

Another satisfied customer.

Coach to player: "Please wear your pants at knee height. That is how this team does it"

Player: "No - I dont want to"

Coach: "You missed the bunt signal. Run 10 poles".

Player: "No - I dont want to".

Coach: "Do not wear your baseball cap sidewise. Our team wears their caps straight"

Player: "No - I dont want to wear it straight"

LOL

Bye bye player.

Your dislike for nonconformity worries me gamer! lol

LOL

Coach M - I would never even get to the 2nd question - no less the third.

Be part of the team - or get the hell out.

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Originally posted by 00'sDAD:
Already In 3 AP classes will finish school early.
Yes I do realize this is a die-hard baseball site.
I just wanted to try to get something more to work with. But it seems that nonconformity of looks brings out the bad side in some people.

FWIW, IMO, Lincecum's hair is disgusting.

I'm sure that if Tim were any of your sons you would be as proud as you could be of "THE FREAK"
Well it's late and this old guy is going to bed thanks for your opinions and good night.

I am just giving my opinion on what I think his hair looks like, has nothing to do with his talent.

Sorry to all of you "enlightened parents" or others that read the **** from Dr Spock!

The moment we started giving them too many choices was the moment we lost control of an entire generation.

Just look around! Our country is freely giving away freedoms and dollars to people who have never earned the right to either!
(Yes, I am a Republican!)

Here's what happened at my house several years ago.

My oldest boy was thinking of getting an earring.
I said, "Great! I'll even pay for it!"

After a look of surprise on his face, I told him,

"The earring is a heck of a lot cheaper than room and board, spending money and college"

Point made! Point taken!

If the kid doesn't want to play baseball, then that's one thing. But he is a representative and member of your family. Do Mom and Dad have rules for appearance? We do in our house! I guarantee that our rules will meet any Coach's standards.

I look around and I see kids that have caused problems for their parents. Usually, it was the parents that caused the problems for their kids!

Coach I dont want to get a hair cut.
No problem turn your stuff in.

Coach my son doesnt feel like its fair.
No problem have a nice spring.

Coach as a school board member you need to reinstate the player.
No problem I resign.

Your son DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY.
If he did HE WOULD GET A HAIR CUT.

What else?

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Originally posted by 00'sDAD:
Already In 3 AP classes will finish school early.
Yes I do realize this is a die-hard baseball site.
I just wanted to try to get something more to work with. But it seems that nonconformity of looks brings out the bad side in some people.

FWIW, IMO, Lincecum's hair is disgusting.

I'm sure that if Tim were any of your sons you would be as proud as you could be of "THE FREAK"
Well it's late and this old guy is going to bed thanks for your opinions and good night.

I'm sure his parents are proud of his pot conviction last year too. He looks like a hobo. I'd pick a better example.

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Originally posted by Coach_May:

No problem I resign.

You'd walk out on your players?

Everyone is different.

Here is how it went in my house when I was growing up.

Dad: "Son - please dont raise your voice at your mother"

Me: "No Dad - I feel like yelling at her".

Dad: "Which hospital would you like to go to after I knock you out?"

LOL

They would cease to be my players once I was no longer in charge of running the program and the school board member was.

I am going to do it the right way or I am not going to do it at all. When the parents start running the program through personal contacts such as school board members then they can coach the team.

Has not happened yet. But if it ever does I will let you know.

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Originally posted by 00'sDAD:

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Originally posted by Coach Waltrip:

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Originally posted by Vicarious Dad:

What if the coach says he wants all players to have mohicans, or their hair dyed black? Would everyone (parents) go along with that, too?

V-dad,

Yes, then I would get a mohawk...

One who walks in another's tracks leaves no footprints. ~Proverb

OODaddyO,

Man, that hurts...

I prefer more sophisticated quotes from baseball people like...

'I wish I had an answer to that because I'm tired of answering that question.' Yogi Berra

I changed my mind...advise your son to tell the coach to stick it...

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Originally posted by Vicarious Dad:

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Originally posted by Coach_May:

No problem I resign.

You'd walk out on your players?

If a school board supports some "Non-conformist" that believes he does not have to follow the rules of the team - then you dont have a team to walk out on to begin with.

In a situation like that - its best to just shut down the whole program - and let everybody be "free". So sixties - its boring.

LOL

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Originally posted by CPLZ:

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Originally posted by Coach Waltrip:
I am 53 and graduated from HS in 1975.

You're freakin' old as dirt, dude.

Old? Just because I graduated HS when Jesus was a corporal...brother...