Niles North 4
Evanston 2
Complete game win for Brian Mortell (who?)
Next, and probalbly last, Loyola with Havey McElveen et al. But, that's why you play the games.
quote:Originally posted by Ratboy:
Should they just pick the top 32 teams in an area and put them in a "champions" bracket and leave the undesirables to play in a "consolation" bracket?
*** IMO, no. Any changes made would need to be fair, and ALL the schools must be treated with respect and regard. ***
It would be interesting if they cast a wider net and assigned 128 teams to a bracket and made the city teams travel to the suburbs and vice versa ...
*** IMO getting the city teams more in to the suburban areas is a better idea for many reason than just running a tournament. They sent Minooka down to Normal. Why not push more of the schools along the I-80 corridor down, i.e Southwest Suburban and Southwest Prairie for instance. Then you can move more of the city schools in to the suburban Regionals and Sectionals. ***
If you recall, even some of the HS coaches are disappointed in the manner in which the IHSA breaks everything up by area. See thread below:
Seeding Thread
I have to believe alternative plans have been considered. However the reality is that it probably won't change due to financial, as well as final exam considerations. If this wasn't the case, why wouldn't the process be changed?
If you keep beating the teams you're assigned to play, do seedings matter?
All the IHSA is really interested in is "running a tournament". They couldn't care less who wins. It's the Illinois High School Association not the Illinois High School Athletic Association. They also run contests for drama, speech, chess etc. I'd like to see the top 64 teams in each class play a format like the NCAA does double elimation in reagionals and best 2 of 3 for sectional and super sectional. We don't take all teams for football so why does baseball have to allow all teams in the tournament.
It could be worse. In Indiana they put you in geographic sections (same as our regionals) and then have a blind draw for pairings. It possible that the 2 best teams in the rankings could play the very first game.
It could be worse. In Indiana they put you in geographic sections (same as our regionals) and then have a blind draw for pairings. It possible that the 2 best teams in the rankings could play the very first game.
quote:Originally posted by il2008:
We don't take all teams for football so why does baseball have to allow all teams in the tournament.
Because a baseball team can play 3 games in 1 week, why exclude member schools unless you need to do it?
Dolphin Mom might be the only one with the answer to this question but ... Did they switch locations for Whitney Young and St. Rita after they released the initial bracket?
Why is it a bad idea to include all?
The tournament could be run a bit more fairly, and probably a little better all the way around.
Yes some regions are more heavily filled with strong teams, but they are REGIONals and there is nothing wrong with teams representing an area.
No doubt some of those regionals are far tougher than others, but then so are some conferences.
BTW, don't make fun of The IHSA doing all those other activities! My son never made it downstate for baseball, but he did for Editorial Cartooning!
The tournament could be run a bit more fairly, and probably a little better all the way around.
Yes some regions are more heavily filled with strong teams, but they are REGIONals and there is nothing wrong with teams representing an area.
No doubt some of those regionals are far tougher than others, but then so are some conferences.
BTW, don't make fun of The IHSA doing all those other activities! My son never made it downstate for baseball, but he did for Editorial Cartooning!
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There is no better prime ground for editorial cartooning than the fertile and corrupt State of Illinois!
There is no better prime ground for editorial cartooning than the fertile and corrupt State of Illinois!
Not making fun of the other activities just making a point that the IHSA simply wants to run a tournament as simply as they see fit, they have a lot other sports/activities to promote. They never have and never will do a truely seeded tourney top to bottom, but we can dream.
As long as others had ideas about how to do the baseball tourney I just wanted to put my 2 cents in. Other states have baseball playoffs that you have to qualify for, Texas comes to mind. On the reverse side Indiana allows all football teams into the playoffs.
Now, back to the scores.
As long as others had ideas about how to do the baseball tourney I just wanted to put my 2 cents in. Other states have baseball playoffs that you have to qualify for, Texas comes to mind. On the reverse side Indiana allows all football teams into the playoffs.
Now, back to the scores.
Regionals, game 2. Warren 11, Carmel 1. Sean Kennedy WP, also 3-4, 2 HR, 2B, 4 RBI. Ryan Economos 2-4, 2B, HR 4 RBI.
Tomorrow 11 a.m. against Libertyville.
Tomorrow 11 a.m. against Libertyville.
High school tournament is like any other IMHO--sometimes you get stuck playing tougher teams--there is no fair way to run it so everyone is happy. You just have to play your best and see what happens--sometimes the ball doesn't bounce your way. 
Congradulations to Bret Maus' complete game and Andrew HS with their victory over Brother Rice today.
Congradulations to BR on a very good year, and to the players and families which we know.
A special congradulations to Kevin Kozial as the IL Gatorade HS Player of the Year. I've watched him play since he was 9, and there was no doubt that he is a special player.
Thats baseball.
Good luck to everyone.
Congradulations to BR on a very good year, and to the players and families which we know.
A special congradulations to Kevin Kozial as the IL Gatorade HS Player of the Year. I've watched him play since he was 9, and there was no doubt that he is a special player.
Thats baseball.
Good luck to everyone.
Anyone hear a score from Saturday's Lockport-Waubonsie Valley game? Thanks!
Did anyone see a JCA score from today? IHSA.org had it 1-0 Richards F/10 at 9:30 am, can't imagine they had played 10 innings by 9:30am..., now there is no score posted.
Carmel Regional final
Libertyville-6
Warren-5
WP- Brooks McDowell
LP- Jeff Johnson
Only three hits allowed by Libertyville. They just keep giving Warren gifts. Big home run by Libertyvilles 9 hitter on a 0-2 count to put them up.
Libertyville-6
Warren-5
WP- Brooks McDowell
LP- Jeff Johnson
Only three hits allowed by Libertyville. They just keep giving Warren gifts. Big home run by Libertyvilles 9 hitter on a 0-2 count to put them up.
Regional Championship
Streator 0
Bloomington High 14
Streator 0
Bloomington High 14
Taft wins the Maine South regional .
My old coach Rich Pildes strikes again. He belongs in the Coaches hall of fame one day .
Will New Trier be his next victim ?
My old coach Rich Pildes strikes again. He belongs in the Coaches hall of fame one day .
Will New Trier be his next victim ?
Libertyville takes regional 6-5. Wasn't at this one, but undertand that at least three of Warren's runs were sac flies, and Warren's pitcher was left in at least one batter too long. Congrats to the Wildcats and good luck against Lake Zurich. Best of luck to everyone left standing and to everybody leaving in the fall.
Batavia takes Willowbrook Regional - beating Willowbrook 11-6.
Krolikowski goes teh distance on the mound.
Drish, Scofield and Krolikowski all go deep.
Coffey and Lindquist both with two hits.
Bulldogs go to 28-6
Krolikowski goes teh distance on the mound.
Drish, Scofield and Krolikowski all go deep.
Coffey and Lindquist both with two hits.
Bulldogs go to 28-6
Anyone have a recap of that Brother Rice game? 12-0? What's up with that?
Congratulations to Coach Pildes and the Eagles.
We can wait for Norwood to start practice. Keep winning Coach.
We can wait for Norwood to start practice. Keep winning Coach.
quote:Originally posted by BCRockets:
Did anyone see a JCA score from today? IHSA.org had it 1-0 Richards F/10 at 9:30 am, can't imagine they had played 10 innings by 9:30am..., now there is no score posted.
JCA 9
Richards 0
Bballdad54
On the one hand i have to give kudos to Pildes for what his team has accomplished so far . On the other i have to take our ND coaches to task for looking past Taft and taking them lightly by starting our # 4 pitcher against them for no apparent reason . Make no mistake about it ...they looked past them . It really put our team at a disadvantage . There is no reason our team should ever lose to a taft . Our players did not lose this game ....ND coaching staff lost it for them and they know it . No sour grapes ..just the reality of the situation .
On the one hand i have to give kudos to Pildes for what his team has accomplished so far . On the other i have to take our ND coaches to task for looking past Taft and taking them lightly by starting our # 4 pitcher against them for no apparent reason . Make no mistake about it ...they looked past them . It really put our team at a disadvantage . There is no reason our team should ever lose to a taft . Our players did not lose this game ....ND coaching staff lost it for them and they know it . No sour grapes ..just the reality of the situation .
Great job on the part of the Eagles! Rich Pildes deserves alot of credit. This is a guy that knows baseball and knows how to win! He puts his players in situations that allows good things to happen. New Trier should be taking them very seriously. This far into the playoffs the teams deserve to be there! Your win on Sat. was convincing!
Great job Rich! Slay the next opponent.
Great job Rich! Slay the next opponent.
Mr. Nobody...
Perhaps your idea of who #4 pitcher is and who # 2 or #3 pitcher is may be different than what the coaches thought.
Seems to me they have done pretty well over there at ND (State Champs) and just because they lost doesn't mean it was the coach's fault. How many runs did ND score?
JMHO
Perhaps your idea of who #4 pitcher is and who # 2 or #3 pitcher is may be different than what the coaches thought.
Seems to me they have done pretty well over there at ND (State Champs) and just because they lost doesn't mean it was the coach's fault. How many runs did ND score?
JMHO
Fastball
You really think you might know more than myself ? ...someone who has been around this team for the last 3 years ? I know very well who our best pitchers are ..and neither of them started this game . It was an unneccessary risk ..we would have had plenty of pitching to go up against leyden yesterday .
2004 was 2004 ...we havent made it out of the regionals the last 3 years . This latest loss was the worst of the bunch . Do you think i would state that our coaches were looking past Taft if i didnt know that to be the case ? I dont talk about things i know nothing about . They needed to treat it like a tough conference game and start one of our other guys on the mound ...like they would have done ..but they did not do that . Most of our other parents are livid at the way our coaches approached this game .
You really think you might know more than myself ? ...someone who has been around this team for the last 3 years ? I know very well who our best pitchers are ..and neither of them started this game . It was an unneccessary risk ..we would have had plenty of pitching to go up against leyden yesterday .
2004 was 2004 ...we havent made it out of the regionals the last 3 years . This latest loss was the worst of the bunch . Do you think i would state that our coaches were looking past Taft if i didnt know that to be the case ? I dont talk about things i know nothing about . They needed to treat it like a tough conference game and start one of our other guys on the mound ...like they would have done ..but they did not do that . Most of our other parents are livid at the way our coaches approached this game .
Mr. Nobody is right. Even though I did not see the game, you never want to lose with your best pitchers sitting on the sidelines. Taft has a quality pitcher going for them and needed to be opposed by someone who could match him pitch for pitch. It sounds like ND failed to do so. I can understand why the parents are upset.
Congrats to Rich Pildes and Taft for winning the Maine South regional. Having met him earlier this season and spending the better part of a game conversing with him I can say he is a class act and a very knowledgable baseball guy. Unfortuneatley in my opinion Taft does not stand a chance against New Trier. That statement is made having seen both the New Trier and Taft games yesterday. Too huge of a disparity in talent level. Whale of a difference. Coach Napolean actually left the Taft/Leyden game after the fourth inning and he had a pretty confident look on his face. Regardless, I have to believe he does not let his team take anyone too lightly. Best of luck to Coach Pildes and Taft.God knows I would love for them to beat the Trevians after seeing my boys suffer through some debilitating losses over at the last couple of seasons at their hands, but it is just not in the cards. Would make for a great story though.
Norfrank,
Who says you have to start your # 1 in the first game? If you want to make a run in the state playoffs why not look forward a little and try and set up the match ups that you feel give your team the best chance to stick aroud. Most teams that I have seen have a 1 and 1A with not much seperating the two.
Who says you have to start your # 1 in the first game? If you want to make a run in the state playoffs why not look forward a little and try and set up the match ups that you feel give your team the best chance to stick aroud. Most teams that I have seen have a 1 and 1A with not much seperating the two.
Let me clarify something here . We had 3 pitchers who i would classify as being in our top tier of pitchers . Any one of these 3 would usually pitch in our tougher conference games. We then had another 2 or 3 guys who were in the next level . Our coach tabbed one of the guys in the lower level to pitch against taft . This pitcher never started against any of our tougher opponents. Even if we had burned up 2 of our top guys against taft , we still would have been in excellent shape and had plenty of quality pitching for the leyden game . This is why it was an unnecessary risk that ended up costing us our season . This was not a situation where we were saving a # 1 stud for the next game . ND coaches put our guys in a bad situation ...not a position to be successful against an inferior opponent . Im sure if you asked Pildes he himself would say that Taft has no business beating ND , considering the disparity in overall talent .
Norfrank is correct in his assessment of the situation .
Norfrank is correct in his assessment of the situation .
Johnsburg over top seed marion Central 5-0 for the regional title. Grundy complete game 1 hitter. I assume they didn't throw their number 1 in game 1.
St. Charles East Regional (SC North Sectional)
Wheaton North 6
Bartlett 5
8 innings
Trailing 5-0, North scores 3-2-1 in 6-7-8. O-U-C-H.
Seeds 1,3,5 and 7 left in the Sectional. The coaches didn't do too bad on the seedings.
I hear you, Mr. Nobody. Can't play tomorrow, if you don't win today. And with a week between starts, 1 and 1A should be the choices. Anything else would seem irresponsible. Sorry to hear that is what happened to our Dons. Used to Hit .300 is NDHS Class of '80. (And we were never to close to being as good as the recent teams seem to be.)
Wheaton North 6
Bartlett 5
8 innings
Trailing 5-0, North scores 3-2-1 in 6-7-8. O-U-C-H.
Seeds 1,3,5 and 7 left in the Sectional. The coaches didn't do too bad on the seedings.
I hear you, Mr. Nobody. Can't play tomorrow, if you don't win today. And with a week between starts, 1 and 1A should be the choices. Anything else would seem irresponsible. Sorry to hear that is what happened to our Dons. Used to Hit .300 is NDHS Class of '80. (And we were never to close to being as good as the recent teams seem to be.)
quote:Originally posted by FastballDad:
Mr. Nobody...
Perhaps your idea of who #4 pitcher is and who # 2 or #3 pitcher is may be different than what the coaches thought.
Seems to me they have done pretty well over there at ND (State Champs) and just because they lost doesn't mean it was the coach's fault. How many runs did ND score?
JMHO
Regionals are mid-week and Saturday. Followed by sectionals which are midweek and Saturday; followed by the Super Sectional on Monday. If the kids are healthy and eligible, there is absolutely no excuse for not pitching your 1 or 1A in regional, none! Also, if I took my Grandma to two of my sons games in which our 1 and 4 were pitching, Grandma would know the difference.
Can you put up a picture of Grandma for me Gotwood.
Thanks.
The way the playoffs are set up you really only need two starting pitchers until you get to the last week of the season. Even then, you could probably get away with two. My thought is that unless you are entirely sure you can beat your first round team, assuming you did not have to play a quarterfinal game, you go with your best. In the case of ND and Taft, Pildes was going to throw his best, Rivera. ND should not have pitched their #4 against Taft, especially knowing that Rivera had the ability to shut them down. Thoughout the season ND had problems hitting and it looks like it was no different against Taft.
There is no way that ND should have been caught offguard with the talent Taft had. They played in the semi-finals of the Chicago Public League playoffs for pete's sake.
My feeling is throw number one unless you know the game might be a laugher (facing a team that has won less than 40% of their games and doesn't have a top tier pitcher) for a team that is in the top 4 seedings. If that is the case throw your 1A. But never throw the number 4 against a team that has lost only 5 or 6 games, as was the case with Taft.
Congratulations to Taft for beating the Leyden Eagles too. It'll be tough against New Trier; but, they can be beat.
There is no way that ND should have been caught offguard with the talent Taft had. They played in the semi-finals of the Chicago Public League playoffs for pete's sake.
My feeling is throw number one unless you know the game might be a laugher (facing a team that has won less than 40% of their games and doesn't have a top tier pitcher) for a team that is in the top 4 seedings. If that is the case throw your 1A. But never throw the number 4 against a team that has lost only 5 or 6 games, as was the case with Taft.
Congratulations to Taft for beating the Leyden Eagles too. It'll be tough against New Trier; but, they can be beat.
We played 3 regional games, and never started a pitcher lower than number 2 (2-1-2).
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Hope she's related to you Tuzi!
Hope she's related to you Tuzi!
Granny....
The skipper would never be able to fool you that our #4 was the #1, not Granny.
Thanks Gotwood.
The skipper would never be able to fool you that our #4 was the #1, not Granny.
Thanks Gotwood.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Nobody:
Fastball
You really think you might know more than myself ? ..
I never said that I know anyhting about the staff. My remarks were more along the Coach's thinking. He must have thought it gave the teamit's best chance to win. I also never said he was right. Perhaps there was more than meets the eye.
There is no reason to go beyond your best two pitchers the way the playoffs are set up.
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You're welcome Tuzi. Remember to get her back here to the home early...it usually takes us awhile to get her wound down.
You're welcome Tuzi. Remember to get her back here to the home early...it usually takes us awhile to get her wound down.
does anyone know why the Planfield North-Neuqua Valley Regional title game is being played tomorrow? I'm pretty sure that it wasn't rain.