Questions About "Hands" Cues In Hitting Instruction and General Discussion of Hitting

the links are bad??

I don't know why those didn't work, they were really good ones too. How about these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVZNFaFOQU4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...SmM4&feature=related

Now in these I can see what I think people are calling "tip' just a bit. But he's not pulling backwards on the bat with his top or any other hand. And the "tip" has nothing to do with intentionally getting the bat head to move toward the pitcher.

Perhaps I completely misunderstand "tip" and "top hand torque".

Top Hand Torque doesn't exist.

Top hand SWIVEL does exist. He's turning the barrel rearward with a unit move that includes the lateral tilt of his shoulders.

What does that have to do with swiveling his top hand, which I don't see either? And I might be wrong, but I could have sworn you told somebody on here to pull on the bat with their top hand, was that somebody else and not you?

Can you explain this "unit move" please?

And address the "tip"? I get the rip part.

Nope, it was in the "Swing Analysis" thread.

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Originally posted by Low Finish:
...and then pull the handle rearward with his top hand. It is an upper body move, and this "rearward pull" should FEEL like it's starting just before the hips fire, but it happens in sequential order.

If you have any questions, please PM me. Despite some of my (admittedly) caustic posts, I do enjoy helping people improve.

I cut it a bit for brevity sake, but it's intact from the start point.

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Originally posted by NDD:
What does that have to do with swiveling his top hand, which I don't see either? And I might be wrong, but I could have sworn you told somebody on here to pull on the bat with their top hand, was that somebody else and not you?

Can you explain this "unit move" please?

And address the "tip"? I get the rip part.

The "Pull" rearward is just a feel statement. Top hand torque (IMO) implies that the hands are working separately and at separate times. They aren't.

"Handle Torque" doesn't exist. As for the "top hand swivel" watch Barry Bonds do it. The handle is "pulled" to make the barrel go rearward INTO the top hand swivel.

I'll PM you the RIGHT way to demonstrate it and the WRONG way to demonstrate it.

It reads pretty specific to me. It also sounds like you are telling them to work the hands independently and at separate times.

If it is a feel thing, how can I watch Bonds do it? There's no way Pujols is pulling anything with his top hand, I know that waiter's tray set up very well. it is not conducive to pulling. Nor is he moving the barrel with his hands. The barrel goes where it goes through a combination of what he does with his front and rear arms and the rest of his body.

Why are you PMing me? Why can't everybody see?

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Originally posted by NDD:
It reads pretty specific to me. It also sounds like you are telling them to work the hands independently and at separate times.

If it is a feel thing, how can I watch Bonds do it? There's no way Pujols is pulling anything with his top hand, I know that waiter's tray set up very well. it is not conducive to pulling. Nor is he moving the barrel with his hands. The barrel goes where it goes through a combination of what he does with his front and rear arms and the rest of his body.

Why are you PMing me? Why can't everybody see?

sounds like you are ready to start a ****ing contest..But hey i was born yesterday..what don't you get? A 12 year old can grab the concept yet you cant? do you have a different agenda here?

here it is..either you can do it or you can work on your s****r game..the tip loads the hands and keeps them back while the front coils forward..


Here is a quote from Dmac that might (I doubt) clear things up;

"You fellows have kind of lost me. For me, the bat quickness helped by the hands (arms) comes from the running start. The running start comes from tipping the bat and then letting it rip with the hands without stopping to set the bat.........just going from the time the bat reaches it's farthest point in the tip. Here are some clips starting with Ruth and working the way up to the guys of today like Bonds, Guerrero, Soriano and the young teenager Robert Stock.

"When they tip it forward, they go from there.....they don't start, and then set their hands and then have to start again. Much like the running start I have yapped about with maddux for years

"What he is doing is getting more batspeed with less effort.......a running start. It does not need to be explained to a kid at all......just tell him to get his hands away from the body a little, point the bat at the sky, tip it towards the pitcher and then let it rip. If he asks why, you respond by telling him he will hit the ball a lot farther. When he does, there won't be any need to talk about pronation or whatever. If he can't do it, then there won't be any need to talk about pronation or whatever, because it won't matter.

"About 99% of all guys in the big leaguers were not taught the swing. They just found it along the way through emulation, feel or just blind luck. The clip of Williams is great, because he was 48 years old when it was shot and he is ripping the ball and laughing. He is also tipping the bat and then letting it rip. He is also the best hitter who ever walked and had dozens of instructors telling people that he was just a freak and that you should not copy him. They say the same thing about Bonds today, and the only guy who was smart enough to copy him was Robert Stocks dad, and it is paying off. He copies Bond's running start and the kid can hit balls a long way. Everyone else does not copy it because they think it is too hard to do. Mr Oh hit 868 dingers,was 5' 10, weighed 165 and nobody paid attention to his swing in the USA either.

"Last year in September, I saw the Mariners play a 6 game home series and every day I was there early to watch BP. Outside of Richie Sexon who is 6'9", Ichiro hits the ball farther than anyone on that club. He bangs ball after ball off the restaurant in right field which is about 410 ft away. In BP he tips the bat and lets it rip. He is 5'9" and about 160 lbs. In games he does not do it, because with his 3.6 speed, he was taught at a young age to take advantage of it.

"If your kids can run like Ichiro, then they can be dead hands slap hitters, but if they can't, then they better hit like Molitor, Olerud or Brett or better yet, learn to tip it and rip it and they may hit enough home runs and doubles to make their High School coach really like them.

"If you are built like Frank Thomas, you don't need to tip it either. Ted Williams once said that if he could work with Thomas that Frank would hit 80 home runs every year. It never happened.

"Timing it for a good athlete is not hard, what has happened is that nobody has taught it to anybody. What is really hard is setting your bat behind your shoulder, go from a dead start and then expect rotation to bring the bat around and magically hit the ball. That has been taught to many kids.......good luck"



read the last few sentences VERY CAREFULLY..

If you don't like the thread, don't post in it. I asked for a clarification, an explanation of a mantra I see repeated on here on a regular basis. After reading instructions to "then pull the handle rearward with the top hand".

Then I got a gif of dumping the barrel and told that is how NOT to do it.

Now if a guy comes on here and asks for help with his 8 year old and he tells the kid "pull on the handle with your top hand" - what is going to happen?

And why is it any time assertions are challenged, the first thing that happens is the asterisks start flying? Because it's wrong and the asterisks slingers know it's wrong.

A 12 year old can grasp the concept of what? Pulling on the handle with the top hand? Probably. Is that the concept?

Yeah, I have an agenda - to learn as much as I possibly can about the right way to swing a baseball bat, after I do that to help those that look for it, and to understand when somebody is blowing smoke so I don't waste my time in the cage trying to work through some mindless cue yet again.

Perhaps discussions would be better based on human anatomy and physiology, kinetics and other science rather than some cue based on magic feel.

The bat head movement I see in Pujols in loading is a result, not an objective. And it's a result of putting his body in the best position to unload, primarily the bigger muscle groups such as the shoulder complex.

I often find it amusing and more than a bit sad when people look at a hitter doing a drill or another, don't get it, don't get the purpose, and make value judgments based on ignorance. It happens quite often in a long backwards chaining learning environment and may be in part due to today's "just add water" mentality.

I thank you for the quote. It helps, although a link to be able to understand context would have helped more. I'm sure I can find it on my own though.

BTW, if it is as easy as that, why hasn't anybody ever hit 80? If Bonds is the model, why didn't he ever hit 80? Why didn't Williams? Does Ichiro still have 3.6 speed? Is he waiting until he can't run anymore to start hitting 80 while his team struggles to score a run? I'm sure the Mariner's pitching staff would settle for 40 from him.

quote:

Originally posted by NDD:
If you don't like the thread, don't post in it. I asked for a clarification, an explanation of a mantra I see repeated on here on a regular basis. After reading instructions to "then pull the handle rearward with the top hand".

Then I got a gif of dumping the barrel and told that is how NOT to do it.

Now if a guy comes on here and asks for help with his 8 year old and he tells the kid "pull on the handle with your top hand" - what is going to happen?

And why is it any time assertions are challenged, the first thing that happens is the asterisks start flying? Because it's wrong and the asterisks slingers know it's wrong.

A 12 year old can grasp the concept of what? Pulling on the handle with the top hand? Probably. Is that the concept?

Yeah, I have an agenda - to learn as much as I possibly can about the right way to swing a baseball bat, after I do that to help those that look for it, and to understand when somebody is blowing smoke so I don't waste my time in the cage trying to work through some mindless cue yet again.

Perhaps discussions would be better based on human anatomy and physiology, kinetics and other science rather than some cue based on magic feel.

The bat head movement I see in Pujols in loading is a result, not an objective. And it's a result of putting his body in the best position to unload, primarily the bigger muscle groups such as the shoulder complex.

I often find it amusing and more than a bit sad when people look at a hitter doing a drill or another, don't get it, don't get the purpose, and make value judgments based on ignorance. It happens quite often in a long backwards chaining learning environment and may be in part due to today's "just add water" mentality.

I thank you for the quote. It helps, although a link to be able to understand context would have helped more. I'm sure I can find it on my own though.

BTW, if it is as easy as that, why hasn't anybody ever hit 80? If Bonds is the model, why didn't he ever hit 80? Why didn't Williams? Does Ichiro still have 3.6 speed? Is he waiting until he can't run anymore to start hitting 80 while his team struggles to score a run? I'm sure the Mariner's pitching staff would settle for 40 from him.

lets face it ndd i wasnt born yesterday,,its obvious what path you want to take here..you want to talk physics and all that crud that means zero..stay with the dead hand spinner from texas,,thats where this is going..you know it and i know it,,again it isnt rocket science..either your kid can do it or he is NOT athletic enough to time it and get it done.

without a CUE how do you explain things to kids? what do you think a cue is..? A direction..without a cue what do you do..just stand there? please just pooh pooh one of the most simple thorough quotes from the best baseball guy that visited these board..you should stay with steve,,set yourself and spin like crazy,,and then add the whip before you fall of the merry go round..maybe your kids needs some SIMPLE instruction..instead of trying to dispute everything see if your kid can handle the tip and rip.get back to us

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Originally posted by wogdoggy:

quote:

Originally posted by NDD:
If you don't like the thread, don't post in it. I asked for a clarification, an explanation of a mantra I see repeated on here on a regular basis. After reading instructions to "then pull the handle rearward with the top hand".

Then I got a gif of dumping the barrel and told that is how NOT to do it.

Now if a guy comes on here and asks for help with his 8 year old and he tells the kid "pull on the handle with your top hand" - what is going to happen?

And why is it any time assertions are challenged, the first thing that happens is the asterisks start flying? Because it's wrong and the asterisks slingers know it's wrong.

A 12 year old can grasp the concept of what? Pulling on the handle with the top hand? Probably. Is that the concept?

Yeah, I have an agenda - to learn as much as I possibly can about the right way to swing a baseball bat, after I do that to help those that look for it, and to understand when somebody is blowing smoke so I don't waste my time in the cage trying to work through some mindless cue yet again.

Perhaps discussions would be better based on human anatomy and physiology, kinetics and other science rather than some cue based on magic feel.

The bat head movement I see in Pujols in loading is a result, not an objective. And it's a result of putting his body in the best position to unload, primarily the bigger muscle groups such as the shoulder complex.

I often find it amusing and more than a bit sad when people look at a hitter doing a drill or another, don't get it, don't get the purpose, and make value judgments based on ignorance. It happens quite often in a long backwards chaining learning environment and may be in part due to today's "just add water" mentality.

I thank you for the quote. It helps, although a link to be able to understand context would have helped more. I'm sure I can find it on my own though.

BTW, if it is as easy as that, why hasn't anybody ever hit 80? If Bonds is the model, why didn't he ever hit 80? Why didn't Williams? Does Ichiro still have 3.6 speed? Is he waiting until he can't run anymore to start hitting 80 while his team struggles to score a run? I'm sure the Mariner's pitching staff would settle for 40 from him.

lets face it ndd i wasnt born yesterday,,its obvious what path you want to take here..you want to talk physics and all that crud that means zero..stay with the dead hand spinner from texas,,thats where this is going..you know it and i know it,,again it isnt rocket science..either your kid can do it or he is NOT athletic enough to time it and get it done.

without a CUE how do you explain things to kids? what do you think a cue is..? A direction..without a cue what do you do..just stand there? please just pooh pooh one of the most simple thorough quotes from the best baseball guy that visited these board..you should stay with steve,,set yourself and spin like crazy,,and then add the whip before you fall of the merry go round..maybe your kids needs some SIMPLE instruction..instead of trying to dispute everything see if your kid can handle the tip and rip.get back to us

primarily the bigger muscle groups such as the shoulder complex.


heres a tip think hips and hands ...shoulders? good luck with "quick" shoulders.

As you have made this personal, are bad mouthing my son, have deflected the thread into your hatred for an instructor and are unable to stay on topic, please do not post in it any more.

I thanked you for the quote. I didn't not "pooh" anything. Ted Williams was given to exaggeration, as is very plain to see. There is no need to state or even imply that I was in any way denigrating anybody on this board. To disagree does not require a blood feud anywhere except apparently Illinois.

You don't like an instructor. We get it. Nobody says you have to. Nowhere have I mentioned anything about any specific instructor, a style, a concept or any buzzwords except those given as recent advice on this board.

I asked for a clarification. Not your personal vendetta against an individual.

And I am still waiting for it in the two clips I posted above of whom is widely considered one of the greatest right-handed hitters of all time. A man whose swing I personally admire as a model swing.

Not for you to criticize a young player you have never even seen much less met as "not athletic enough". What you have done here is show your true nature. Unfortunately it is not worthy of the Game nor of the good people on this board.

Again, please show a modicum of self-control and do not post in this thread any more.

Have a nice day.

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

quote:

Originally posted by NDD:
What does that have to do with swiveling his top hand, which I don't see either? And I might be wrong, but I could have sworn you told somebody on here to pull on the bat with their top hand, was that somebody else and not you?

Can you explain this "unit move" please?

And address the "tip"? I get the rip part.

The "Pull" rearward is just a feel statement. Top hand torque (IMO) implies that the hands are working separately and at separate times. They aren't.

"Handle Torque" doesn't exist. As for the "top hand swivel" watch Barry Bonds do it. The handle is "pulled" to make the barrel go rearward INTO the top hand swivel.

I'll PM you the RIGHT way to demonstrate it and the WRONG way to demonstrate it.

Can you identify the "hand swivel" in the clips of Pujols above please?

I saw your PM on the wrong way, please include the right way. It would be nice if you would post them for others to see, as I am sure there will be others come along later that could benefit. It's up to you, I won't do it as you sent them in a PM and I respect the privacy.

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Originally posted by NDD:
As you have made this personal, are bad mouthing my son, have deflected the thread into your hatred for an instructor and are unable to stay on topic, please do not post in it any more.

I thanked you for the quote. I didn't not "pooh" anything. Ted Williams was given to exaggeration, as is very plain to see. There is no need to state or even imply that I was in any way denigrating anybody on this board. To disagree does not require a blood feud anywhere except apparently Illinois.

You don't like an instructor. We get it. Nobody says you have to. Nowhere have I mentioned anything about any specific instructor, a style, a concept or any buzzwords except those given as recent advice on this board.

I asked for a clarification. Not your personal vendetta against an individual.

And I am still waiting for it in the two clips I posted above of whom is widely considered one of the greatest right-handed hitters of all time. A man whose swing I personally admire as a model swing.

Not for you to criticize a young player you have never even seen much less met as "not athletic enough". What you have done here is show your true nature. Unfortunately it is not worthy of the Game nor of the good people on this board.

Again, please show a modicum of self-control and do not post in this thread any more.

Have a nice day.

too funny,,now i'm bad mouthing your son? You dont have to actually mention instructors..I know your game pal..just keep telling your boy the hands just hold onto the bat and keep telling him about those shoulders and large muscle groups....If i want to post in this thread i will,,u dont like it dont read it..hows that for a cue you can understand.

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Originally posted by Low Finish:
Top Hand Torque doesn't exist.

Top hand SWIVEL does exist. He's turning the barrel rearward with a unit move that includes the lateral tilt of his shoulders.

Can you expound on the "lateral tilt" please? To which side (as lateral means "side") a simple reference such as "towards the catcher" (example) would suffice for me.

Thank you.

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Originally posted by NDD:
It reads pretty specific to me. It also sounds like you are telling them to work the hands independently and at separate times.

If it is a feel thing, how can I watch Bonds do it? There's no way Pujols is pulling anything with his top hand, I know that waiter's tray set up very well. it is not conducive to pulling. Nor is he moving the barrel with his hands. The barrel goes where it goes through a combination of what he does with his front and rear arms and the rest of his body.

Why are you PMing me? Why can't everybody see?

The sites at which the clips are shown are (I believe) banned sites at this one. Since I don't want to get banned, I follow the rules.

He IS moving the barrel with his hands, forearms, and wrists. The "hands" cannot move themselves. We feel it in the hands, so we talk about the hands.

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Originally posted by NDD:
What does that have to do with swiveling his top hand, which I don't see either? And I might be wrong, but I could have sworn you told somebody on here to pull on the bat with their top hand, was that somebody else and not you?

Can you explain this "unit move" please?

And address the "tip"? I get the rip part.

To tip: Hold the hands even with your back breast. Push the handle until the head moves out of the plane. Hands must stay in the same place. Tips are performed with the forearms, but it must be felt in the hands.

Then, RIP it!

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Originally posted by NDD:

quote:

Originally posted by Low Finish:
Top Hand Torque doesn't exist.

Top hand SWIVEL does exist. He's turning the barrel rearward with a unit move that includes the lateral tilt of his shoulders.

Can you expound on the "lateral tilt" please? To which side (as lateral means "side") a simple reference such as "towards the catcher" (example) would suffice for me.

Thank you.

Towards the catcher first. Then, as the shoulders are forced around (they stop resisting rotation), they laterally tilt to help you get on plane.

Ok, I'm with you now. Can you tell me where in those videos of Pujols he tilts towards the catcher at any time?

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Originally posted by Low Finish:


The sites at which the clips are shown are (I believe) banned sites at this one. Since I don't want to get banned, I follow the rules.

He IS moving the barrel with his hands, forearms, and wrists. The "hands" cannot move themselves. We feel it in the hands, so we talk about the hands.

I understand.

Sorry, we'll have to disagree. He is not moving the barrel with his hands or anything else below the shoulders - primarily. There is of course no such thing as zero in something that smooth.

I also understand what you are trying to say about feeling it, but if you tell a dad to tell his 8yo to pull on the bat handle with his top hand, guess what he's going to do?

quote:

Originally posted by Low Finish:

To tip: Hold the hands even with your back breast. Push the handle until the head moves out of the plane. Hands must stay in the same place. Tips are performed with the forearms, but it must be felt in the hands.

Then, RIP it!

By "push the handle" you mean toward the catcher right, so the bat head inclines toward the pitcher?

I have no problem with the "running start" - like it, makes perfect sense. It's also not the only way to swing the bat as evidenced by several MLB players. No, they don't put the ball in McCovey's Cove, but they do tend do very well for average, numbers of hits, etc.

Don't have a problem with "tipping" the bat head toward the pitcher as part of it - as a result, not an objective. Why the distinction? Because I am a coach and I need to know why something is happening. If you want to be believable, you have to be a believer. A hitter may or may not care why. Some like to just be told what to do. Others are more thinkers and want to take the watch apart. A coach has to be able to take the watch apart regardless.

I think part of this is "What I think I see happening" as opposed to "This is why this happens and this is the intent."

I thank you for taking the time, hope you will answer my further questions, and appreciate you being civil.

Perhaps some others will give their thoughts.

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Originally posted by NDD:
I don't know why those didn't work, they were really good ones too. How about these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVZNFaFOQU4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...SmM4&feature=related

Now in these I can see what I think people are calling "tip' just a bit. But he's not pulling backwards on the bat with his top or any other hand. And the "tip" has nothing to do with intentionally getting the bat head to move toward the pitcher.

Perhaps I completely misunderstand "tip" and "top hand torque".

Tip starts around 45 sec mark.

If the top hand is getting flat, which direction of force is it applying?

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Originally posted by NDD:
Ok, I'm with you now. Can you tell me where in those videos of Pujols he tilts towards the catcher at any time?

About 49 sec mark.

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Originally posted by NDD:

quote:

Originally posted by Low Finish:


The sites at which the clips are shown are (I believe) banned sites at this one. Since I don't want to get banned, I follow the rules.

He IS moving the barrel with his hands, forearms, and wrists. The "hands" cannot move themselves. We feel it in the hands, so we talk about the hands.

I understand.

Sorry, we'll have to disagree. He is not moving the barrel with his hands or anything else below the shoulders - primarily. There is of course no such thing as zero in something that smooth.

I also understand what you are trying to say about feeling it, but if you tell a dad to tell his 8yo to pull on the bat handle with his top hand, guess what he's going to do?

It depends on the direction you tell him to pull. Tell him to pull back as if he is elbowing someone behind him and the results may be good.

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Originally posted by NDD:

quote:

Originally posted by Low Finish:

To tip: Hold the hands even with your back breast. Push the handle until the head moves out of the plane. Hands must stay in the same place. Tips are performed with the forearms, but it must be felt in the hands.

Then, RIP it!

By "push the handle" you mean toward the catcher right, so the bat head inclines toward the pitcher?

IMO, the tip is not created by pushing the handle back. Rather it is created by way of the top hand.

Top hand elbow nudges behind and raises which tips the barrel. This helps with a loading around.

The push back with the bottom hand causes the lead shoulder to load. Which ultimately causes it to unload.

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Originally posted by HYP:

quote:

Originally posted by NDD:

quote:

Originally posted by Low Finish:

To tip: Hold the hands even with your back breast. Push the handle until the head moves out of the plane. Hands must stay in the same place. Tips are performed with the forearms, but it must be felt in the hands.

Then, RIP it!

By "push the handle" you mean toward the catcher right, so the bat head inclines toward the pitcher?

IMO, the tip is not created by pushing the handle back. Rather it is created by way of the top hand.

Top hand elbow nudges behind and raises which tips the barrel. This helps with a loading around.

The push back with the bottom hand causes the lead shoulder to load. Which ultimately causes it to unload.

I can buy this... We agree that the feeling is in the hands though?

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Originally posted by NDD:

quote:

Originally posted by Low Finish:

To tip: Hold the hands even with your back breast. Push the handle until the head moves out of the plane. Hands must stay in the same place. Tips are performed with the forearms, but it must be felt in the hands.

Then, RIP it!

By "push the handle" you mean toward the catcher right, so the bat head inclines toward the pitcher?

No.

I mean hold the bat vertically then move the elbow towards the opposite field by pulling in the bottom hand. "push the handle" is more of a top hand thing.

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Originally posted by HYP:


Tip starts around 45 sec mark.

If the top hand is getting flat, which direction of force is it applying?

Thank you. In which video?

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Originally posted by HYP:

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Originally posted by NDD:
Ok, I'm with you now. Can you tell me where in those videos of Pujols he tilts towards the catcher at any time?

About 49 sec mark.

Which video?

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Originally posted by HYP:

Tip starts around 45 sec mark.

If the top hand is getting flat, which direction of force is it applying?

I don't think the hand is applying any force. I think the getting flat is a result of what he does with the rest of his body. Are you seeing him change the hinge angle in his wrists at that point as well?

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Originally posted by HYP:
IMO, the tip is not created by pushing the handle back. Rather it is created by way of the top hand.

Top hand elbow nudges behind and raises which tips the barrel. This helps with a loading around.

The push back with the bottom hand causes the lead shoulder to load. Which ultimately causes it to unload.

Ok. So it is the elbow? Or the shoulder?

So you are saying the bottom pushes the bat handle back toward the back shoulder (catcher)?

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

No.

I mean hold the bat vertically then move the elbow towards the opposite field by pulling in the bottom hand. "push the handle" is more of a top hand thing.

Ok you lost me. Opposite field? You want a RH hitter to move an elbow towards RF? Which elbow? And he does this by pulling the bottom hand which way?

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Originally posted by NDD:

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

No.

I mean hold the bat vertically then move the elbow towards the opposite field by pulling in the bottom hand. "push the handle" is more of a top hand thing.

Ok you lost me. Opposite field? You want a RH hitter to move an elbow towards RF? Which elbow? And he does this by pulling the bottom hand which way?

Pull the bottom hand IN towards the body. The bat head will fall out over the plate. Then, RIP the ball.

You need to be going forward while doing this or you'll strike out a ton.

What about the elbow to RF?

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Originally posted by NDD:
What about the elbow to RF?

The elbow (I believe supinates) towards right field.

Don't worry about the elbow. Do what Pujols does where he raises the bat out of plane and then goes from the vertical barrel.

Tip n' Rip only means that the bat never stops moving once it starts moving. It doesn't need to be a big action (ala Williams and Bonds), it can be like Pujols or Ortiz (quiet).

So it can be from any position as long as I don't stop? No need to tip the barrel to the pitcher? No need to do anything with the hands on the handle?

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Originally posted by NDD:

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Originally posted by HYP:


Tip starts around 45 sec mark.

If the top hand is getting flat, which direction of force is it applying?

Thank you. In which video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVZNFaFOQU4

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Originally posted by NDD:

quote:

Originally posted by HYP:

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Originally posted by NDD:
Ok, I'm with you now. Can you tell me where in those videos of Pujols he tilts towards the catcher at any time?

About 49 sec mark.

Which video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVZNFaFOQU4