Where's the beef???..I mean, the box......... 
Richard,
Glad you are back here posting. I’ve always kind of liked you, even back when you were so insistent and passionate and believed things differently than you now have discovered.
You deserve a lot of credit for your studies and willingness to keep searching, but there’s one thing I don’t quite understand… Why is it necessary to jump on the other guys? Why not simply go your way and leave the rest alone. I think some of your stuff is somewhat revolutionary. At least, your descriptions are.
Is all the stuff about what others teach or believe business related somehow? Just curious! I think you have great teaching ability, why waste so much time telling everyone what you think the other guy is doing wrong?
BTW, has anyone changed their mind yet, regarding hand strength?
Glad you are back here posting. I’ve always kind of liked you, even back when you were so insistent and passionate and believed things differently than you now have discovered.
You deserve a lot of credit for your studies and willingness to keep searching, but there’s one thing I don’t quite understand… Why is it necessary to jump on the other guys? Why not simply go your way and leave the rest alone. I think some of your stuff is somewhat revolutionary. At least, your descriptions are.
Is all the stuff about what others teach or believe business related somehow? Just curious! I think you have great teaching ability, why waste so much time telling everyone what you think the other guy is doing wrong?
BTW, has anyone changed their mind yet, regarding hand strength?
Passion.
Right and Wrong.
There is only one high level pattern. Regardless of what the lemmings say.
Can't stand to see someone sent down the wrong path. Their window is too short.
I had the drive....and the defensive skill....and wanted.....needed.....help with hitting.
It was no where to be found in the 70's.
I will find one like me.....and he will make it.
Before I'm done....the swing will be defined.....illustrated....explained......better than golf.
Currently.....baseball is lightyears behind golf.
Right and Wrong.
There is only one high level pattern. Regardless of what the lemmings say.
Can't stand to see someone sent down the wrong path. Their window is too short.
I had the drive....and the defensive skill....and wanted.....needed.....help with hitting.
It was no where to be found in the 70's.
I will find one like me.....and he will make it.
Before I'm done....the swing will be defined.....illustrated....explained......better than golf.
Currently.....baseball is lightyears behind golf.
Those who don't move on, forget to live their lives.
Those who can't do, teach.
quote:I had the drive....and the defensive skill....and wanted.....needed.....help with hitting.
It was no where to be found in the 70's.
I will find one like me.....and he will make it.
I could show you lots of those types.
Hope you are completely successful in your search. Still don't understand, why spend time debating the other stuff? IMO Not everyone follows one certain set of beliefs. Or has providing hitting beliefs become big business?
Unless you consider less than 30 people who have bought web space at $25/year a business....there is none.
But there are many ripping people off.
But there are many ripping people off.
quote:Originally posted by Glove Man:
Those who don't move on, forget to live their lives.
Those who never get in the arena.....win or lose.....and criticize those who do......never feel the thrill of victory nor the agony of defeat.
You have to hold a mirror under their nose to know they're alive.
They checked in.........70 years later they checked out. No sign of them in between.
There is no greater call than to give all you got. Regardless.
Glove Man won't jump in the swimming pool without first dipping his toe.....let alone enter the arena of ideas.
Why.....what would people say if he stumbled?
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
IMO Not everyone follows one certain set of beliefs.
There is one high level pattern.
Cannon, your course is true........I know you will stay the course....That's why I ride with you..........
quote:Still don't understand, why spend time debating the other stuff?
PG, you might not ever understand it........But, it will always be.....There are reasons, I assure you......Dang good ones!!
quote:Unless you consider less than 30 people who have bought web space at $25/year a business....there is none.
But there are many ripping people off.
Are they ripping people off intentionally? Or do they really believe in something?
Richard, I forgot what your site was, please give the link... If that is permitted. If not could you PM it?
I take your last sentence to mean you're not in this for money, but maybe we can help a little bit. I don't always like your approach, but am starting to think you're deadly serious about what you're doing and hope to accomplish.
quote:Those who never get in the arena.....win or lose.....and criticize those who do......never feel the thrill of victory nor the agony of defeat.
You have to hold a mirror under their nose to know they're alive.
They checked in.........70 years later they checked out. No sign of them in between.
There is no greater call than to give all you got. Regardless.
Glove Man won't jump in the swimming pool without first dipping his toe.....let alone enter the arena of ideas.
Why.....what would people say if he stumbled?
Thanks for the words of wisdom Rich... they will serve me well in the next, oh say... 36 years or so.
My GREATER call(s) are in their beds sleeping right now, after a long day playing with their Christmas gifts. They are MY sign of the "in between" time.
Have a great New Year! Remember offer cabs for your patrons who may overdo it a little. It'll bring'em back.
btw, I can't wait to try some of those Extreme Wings! Will they be ready by Feb? New menu looks good, finally got those chicken tenders I see.
Has anyone here had one of Richard's pizzas? Any good?
Richard I see you are from Greensboro. Is that Greensboro NC?
I heard they had some great pizza, and, I LOVE a good pizza!
G'boro's a mask...like Batman's.
Seriously though, Rich, I hope you do find the one. We look forward to hearing and seeing a lot about him in the future.
G'boro's a mask...like Batman's.
Seriously though, Rich, I hope you do find the one. We look forward to hearing and seeing a lot about him in the future.
quote:Originally posted by bsaeball21:
Loose,
I see what you mean about the upper and lower body. I am still trying to see what you mean about barrel rotation with the forearms. If you are a righty do you rotate your forearms back to catcher at go. so your knuckels would go towards catcher at start. I am trying to understand this, I just thought some of the barrel blur was caused by the way people move the bat into a hinged and unhinged postion so the hands would be at top and bottom at contact. Kinda like a golfer when he sits up to a ball. the way they waggle the club then at start of swing they move the club in proper postion so the hands can hinge and un-hinge.
I respect all the time you have put in on this topic, I am just trying to learn as much as I can. Thanks
Alfonso Soriano and David Wright are two hitters I notice that have a very pronounced/exaggerated foream rotation and wrist pronation/supination.
The front angle of the two swings may give rise to misunderstanding that the key to the swing is the launch.
When the launch is executed properly, the rest of the body will perform, if allowed.
Once the bathead is set in motion to the target, allow the flight of the bathead to the target without adjustment.
When the launch is executed properly, the rest of the body will perform, if allowed.
Once the bathead is set in motion to the target, allow the flight of the bathead to the target without adjustment.
quote:Originally posted by Loose Cannon:
As I stated earlier.....the more fundamental issue can be framed as "what is the "go" move.
They believe it is a "firing" of the hips.....(By the way....notice he hasn't found a quote from me to support his argument that I promote a hip firing, a shoulder hold, then a shoulder/hand go.)
Video clearly shows the bat is launced by the hands.....after the hips have cleared, separated and created the stretch.
First of all Richard, you know that the reason for having a young kid keep his front side closed is to force him/her to learn to use the muscles in the pelvic region to open the hips vs using the feet/legs to open the hips.It is a way to force a kid to learn how to use his hips correctly. You know this but I doubt you will admit it.
Second, if the bat is launched by the hands, why do you need the separation created by the stretch?
Can you not move the hands without a stretch?
Why do you need separation between the hips and the shoulders if the shoulders have no function in the swing? They are bypassed right?
As far as the "go" move you had better be committed to go on every pitch. IOW it is a yes,yes,yes no thought vs a no,no,no yes thought and if you are connected it is quite easy to check the swing if you decide not to "go".
And finally, do you still believe that the launch position and the lag position are the same thing?
It's obvious you have never swung a bat and felt what Richard is saying......
quote:Why do you need separation between the hips and the shoulders if the shoulders have no function in the swing?
The simple answer is, you don't......Who said you did?
The separation is between the upper and lower power sources.....
The power sources load against each other....Has nothing to do with the shoulders.....
quote:Can you not move the hands without a stretch?
Sure you can.....But, why would you?
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:Why do you need separation between the hips and the shoulders if the shoulders have no function in the swing?
The simple answer is, you don't......Who said you did?
The separation is between the upper and lower power sources.....
The power sources load against each other....Has nothing to do with the shoulders.....
That was my point with the Serape Effect. Again, perhaps we're arguing semantics here. I don't like the phrase "seperation" because they can't seperate. There are too many muscle groups that, as you say, "load against each other." In my old anatomy books they are also dependent upon each other. I've never argued that the hips don't fire before the shoulders. I've argued that the amount of time isn't very long. Again, and as I pointed out, I don't know anyone that argues that you could draw a perfect line between the back shoulder and hip and expect to maintain that line throughout the swing.
quote:I've never argued that the hips don't fire before the shoulders.
I don't believe the shoulders fire, at all.....I believe the shoulders are a linkage, not a power source.....They turn some because they have to, but, their resistance to turning as they are being by-passed makes a big contribution to the swing, IMO.......
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
It's obvious you have never swung a bat and felt what Richard is saying......
I would say it is obvious to me that if you believe, like Richard that the "go' decision is made around the lag position, that you have never swung a bat against even decent pitching much less hi level pitching.
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:Why do you need separation between the hips and the shoulders if the shoulders have no function in the swing?
The simple answer is, you don't......Who said you did?
The separation is between the upper and lower power sources.....
The power sources load against each other....Has nothing to do with the shoulders.....
And in your world, what are the upper and lower power sources?
quote:And in your world, what are the upper and lower power sources?
Not the same as yours..........
quote:......it is a yes,yes,yes no thought vs a no,no,no yes thought
It's neither.......
Your swing is slow and has no allowance for late adjustability......These two things are what keeps players from playing at the next level.......
quote:Originally posted by Incog Nito:
First of all Richard, you know that the reason for having a young kid keep his front side closed is to force him/her to learn to use the muscles in the pelvic region to open the hips vs using the feet/legs to open the hips.It is a way to force a kid to learn how to use his hips correctly. You know this but I doubt you will admit it.
Yes I am sure Richard deep down inside believes we should be properly using the muscles of the pelvic region.
So let me ask after years and years of doing drills to learn this "efficient" movement, at what point do you say "OK kid you can open the front leg now".
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:......it is a yes,yes,yes no thought vs a no,no,no yes thought
It's neither.......
Your swing is slow and has no allowance for late adjustability......These two things are what keeps players from playing at the next level.......
Meaningless words....verbiage.
As previously asked of you, but not answered, what is your lower and upper power source since you brought it up? If you don't know and you are just repeating what you've heard others say, that's fine, just say so.
quote:Originally posted by Pronk:quote:Originally posted by Incog Nito:
First of all Richard, you know that the reason for having a young kid keep his front side closed is to force him/her to learn to use the muscles in the pelvic region to open the hips vs using the feet/legs to open the hips.It is a way to force a kid to learn how to use his hips correctly. You know this but I doubt you will admit it.
Yes I am sure Richard deep down inside believes we should be properly using the muscles of the pelvic region.
So let me ask after years and years of doing drills to learn this "efficient" movement, at what point do you say "OK kid you can open the front leg now".
You've learned his posting style well. You've just erected a strawman.
IMO, no one should ever be saying to the kids that it's ok to open the lead leg now. But, beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. Second, the lead leg doesn't "open" on it's own, as in it opens, and then the rear leg turns. If you watch both knees, what you will see is that they are "chasing" each other...."turning" together. It's the butt that's doing this heavy lifting in large part, IMO.
As a training process for kids that don't know how to unload the hips well, you can work on that aspect by doing certain drills, much in the same way you can practice arm action in throwing. You wouldn’t go into a game as a pitcher and pitch just using arm action.
It’s really no different with hitting. In a game situation, I would hardly be worried if a kid were doing what Rowand was doing, i.e., front foot/leg winds up pointing at the second base area. IOW, go ahead and isolate and train those areas of the swing that need training with the idea of getting your player in the pattern, e.g. Rowand. It might be that the player doesn’t know how to turn, or that player doesn’t know how to load or the player gets the hands/arm/bat trapped. So work on those things.
quote:If you don't know and you are just repeating what you've heard others say, that's fine, just say so.
You shouldn't, but if you do, it's O.K.......
They chase each other and turn together......
Get your player in the pattern.......
Meaningless words....verbiage.
LOL
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:If you don't know and you are just repeating what you've heard others say, that's fine, just say so.
You shouldn't, but if you do, it's O.K.......
They chase each other and turn together......
Get your player in the pattern.......
Meaningless words....verbiage.
LOL
Let me know when Richard is finished telling you what to write and I'll proceed.
quote:Let me know when Richard is finished telling you what to write and I'll proceed.
As soon as you let me know when Steve is finished telling you what to write......
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:Let me know when Richard is finished telling you what to write and I'll proceed.
As soon as you let me know when Steve is finished telling you what to write......
I appreciate your acknowledgment that Richard is pulling your strings. Something that I've never done for anyone. Now, see if you can answer the question, something else you've never been capable of doing:
As previously asked of you, but not answered, what is your lower and upper power source since you brought it up? If you don't know and you are just repeating what you've heard others say, that's fine, just say so.
quote:Something that I've never done for anyone.
Wrong, you're doing it, now........
The discussion on differences of opinion have been health and allows all of us to listen to opinions. Please, lets keep it at sharing opinions on hitting.
Whether it is Richard's opinions and those shared by who also agrees with that philosophy or others including Steve's, they will stand on merit. When it comes to personalities we sometimes lose sight of the discussion and exchange of ideas.
Whether it is Richard's opinions and those shared by who also agrees with that philosophy or others including Steve's, they will stand on merit. When it comes to personalities we sometimes lose sight of the discussion and exchange of ideas.
quote:As previously asked of you, but not answered, what is your lower and upper power source since you brought it up?
Let's see fofo.........You've been arguing with Tom and Swingbuilder for years over what you know that we recognize as the power sources in the MLB swing.........
Now, for everyone else, it's not the pelvic thigh muscles and the shoulders..........Which is what fofo will lead you to believe....Unless, that has been revised, also.........
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:Something that I've never done for anyone.
Wrong, you're doing it, now........
Nah.
Still incapable of answering the question. Perhaps it just slipped your mind. Here it is again:
As previously asked of you, but not answered, what is your lower and upper power source since you brought it up? If you don't know and you are just repeating what you've heard others say, that's fine, just say so.
Is it really the case that you are just incapable of answering the question? IOW, you just throw out words that you have no understanding of?
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:As previously asked of you, but not answered, what is your lower and upper power source since you brought it up?
Let's see fofo.........You've been arguing with Tom and Swingbuilder for years over what you know that we recognize as the power sources in the MLB swing.........
Now, for everyone else, it's not the pelvic thigh muscles and the shoulders..........Which is what fofo will lead you to believe....Unless, that has been revised, also.........
I asked a specific question regarding what you think you know and you've yet to answer it. Again, are you capable of answering the question. If so, answer it, it not, just say you are not capable and we'll move on.
