Separation Separated The High Level Swing From The Imposters

quote:

Originally posted by Loose Cannon:

Courtesy of Pronk....if I'm not mistaken. This clip remains one of the all time great educational clips.

I can't claim that one, but it's certainly one my favorite's so I have reposted it several times.. Here I thought it was a clip you found.

I definitely see the flaws in Kouzmanoff's swing. Besides the upper body action, I see that he does not lead with the hips to create separation, instead just stepping forward and turning. That last clip it seems he has all his weight on the back foot still.

I've always notice the stepping into the bucket of Bonds. Chipper and Garret Anderson are two others I see step into the bucket all the time.

Looks like Kouz is completely fooled on all those pitches,can you find a clip where he isn't fooled and gets ahold of one for comparison?

quote:

Originally posted by Loose Cannon:
I have no idea.

Jake's bias is very strong. But, you have to follow his actions not his word.

I suppose woggy hasn't made a post that has been censored yet.

in spite of jake being a pcr guy and B 25 being one as well i must say they BOTH do a great job monitoring these forums..richard you probably said the wrong thing and jake had to kick you off...just a guess..lol

quote:

Originally posted by Loose Cannon:

quote:

Originally posted by CoachB25:
Some posts in this thread have been removed due to a copyright violation.

Now that is funny.

huh a copyright violation? thats a first

quote:

Originally posted by tfox:
Looks like Kouz is completely fooled on all those pitches,can you find a clip where he isn't fooled and gets ahold of one for comparison?

Disagree.

His swing has little to no adjustability.

Therefore he appears to be fooled often.

He's a PCR tee swinger.

quote:

Originally posted by wogdoggy:

quote:

Originally posted by Loose Cannon:

quote:

Originally posted by CoachB25:
Some posts in this thread have been removed due to a copyright violation.

Now that is funny.

huh a copyright violation? thats a first

Keep following this type of activity and you'll understand.

quote:

richard you probably said the wrong thing and jake had to kick you off...just a guess..lol

Probably said the right thing and Jake couldn't handle it....

The truth is not always popular.....That's why all politicians are such snakes and lowlifes......They say things that will help them to prosper, not what is true.......Sad, but the way it is..........

Cannon, will they ever learn?????

I deserve much of what I've gotten.

But....many posts have been censored based on content...not attitude.

And, until that has happened to you a few times, you think the sky is blue and the grass is green.

quote:

But....many posts have been censored based on content...not attitude.

Many people struggle with the truth........It's life.....And, it's wrong!!

Peoples 'Truths' are their subjective interpretations of their senses until they are otherwise enlightened.

Merry Christmas

The sun shines longer representing the rebirth of our gods.

quote:

Originally posted by Loose Cannon:

quote:

Originally posted by tfox:
Looks like Kouz is completely fooled on all those pitches,can you find a clip where he isn't fooled and gets ahold of one for comparison?

Disagree.

His swing has little to no adjustability.

Therefore he appears to be fooled often.

He's a PCR tee swinger.

Richard, I disagree with this. I believe the spinning action is a result of him being late for the pitch. If he would have moved out earlier and allowed the momentum to transfer up the chain (vs around) would have created correct muscle separation and read time.

Oh paaalease.

Get a real hitting education.

Two of those clips are breaking balls. And you say he's late?

He's not late.....HIS BARREL IS DRAGGING.

In fact, he's early....because he has to start early because he has NO adjustability within the swing and because PCR inherently drags the bat.

So...he's early and can't deal with any location "not on the tee". YOU try to make an ajustment from the "tee location" in less than .2 seconds without using the hands and only using more or less posture tilt. Your barrel will drag.

It is make believe stuff. It can't happen.

That IS the PCR story. Over and over and over and over....no matter how many times you or they deny it.

Only when he learns to make his barrel do this...



...will he learn the benefits of early batspeed and HOW it creates high adjustability within the swing.

quote:

Originally posted by Loose Cannon:
Oh paaalease.

Get a real hitting education.

Two of those clips are breaking balls. And you say he's late?

He's not late.....HIS BARREL IS DRAGGING.

In fact, he's early....because he has to start early because he has NO adjustability within the swing and because PCR inherently drags the bat.

So...he's early and can't deal with any location "not on the tee". You try to make an ajustment from the "tee location" in less than .2 seconds without using the hands and only using more or less posture tilt.

It is make believe stuff. It can't happen.

That IS the PCR story. Over and over and over and over....no matter how many times you or they deny it.

I disagree. I believe its all in correct momentum transfer from moving out to the ground and up the chain. Are You saying momentum transfer doesn't happen this way ?

Could You explain your definition of momentum transfer ?

quote:

Originally posted by TDS:
I believe the spinning action...

This is REALLY a telling quote.

No where in this thread have I seen the words "spinning action"....

Yet, TDS is SO aware of it.

Hmmmmmm

The ongoing problem with PCR is hitting home.

Now, if they will just learn the fix is found in the proper hand usage.

quote:

Originally posted by TDS:

I disagree. I believe its all in correct momentum transfer from moving out to the ground and up the chain. Are You saying momentum transfer doesn't happen this way ?

Could You explain your definition of momentum transfer ?

I KNOW what you believe. Trust me. I KNOW it better than any other PCR student ever has. I was told by it's inventor that I knew his stuff better than anyone else.

Lets "tackle" the momentum transfer snipe.

My first question is......Why do you think they talk about momentum transfer so much?

Have you ever heard ANYONE, other than the PCR junkies, talk about momentum transfer so much?

Why?

Please answer honestly.

quote:

Originally posted by Loose Cannon:

quote:

Originally posted by TDS:

I disagree. I believe its all in correct momentum transfer from moving out to the ground and up the chain. Are You saying momentum transfer doesn't happen this way ?

Could You explain your definition of momentum transfer ?

I KNOW what you believe. Trust me. I KNOW it
better than any other PCR student ever has. I was told by it's inventor that I knew his stuff better than anyone else.

Lets "tackle" the momentum transfer snipe.

My first question is......Why do you think they talk about momentum transfer so much?

Have you ever heard ANYONE, other than the PCR junkies, talk about momentum transfer so much?

Why?

Please answer honestly.

Richard I had success with this long before PCR. I have said many of times PCR helped connect the dots. I know first hand if momentum is not transferred correctly one will lunge and spin.

Ok....YOU and PCR talk about it.

So...you won't offer an answer to my question?

Or

Is your answer "so you won't lunge and spin"?

quote:

Originally posted by Loose Cannon:
Ok....YOU and PCR talk about it.

So...you won't offer an answer to my question?

I beleive this is the key to all great hitters. Most kids don't know how to transfer momentum correctly.

So it must be so you won't lunge and spin.

Well, define spin for me.

Because Kouz spins.....so does every PCR hitter ever shown.

In fact, PCR believes there is no separation in the swing. Duh. Therefore they spin.

And spinning is slow. So...to speed up things they come up with the "momentum transfer" snipe. Or.....learning to spin faster by shifting weight to create momentum..........and the bat still drags.

This kid...



...has been put up as the poster boy for PCR.

He spins. He's been taught to remain closed until launch.

Is that what Ortiz does?

Ortiz is opening his hips LONG before launch. He is separating. And....his hand usage allows him to do that.

It also creates early batspeed and high adjustability because he DOESN'T wait for "go" to turn the hips.

He controls the launch with his......HANDS.

As long as PCR eliminates the hands they will spin. They will have to commit early...because for the closed hips to create energy at "go" AND get it to the barrel on time...they HAVE to start early. That's exactly what Kous is doing. And because of that he can't get to hanging breaking balls that the good hitter hit out of the park.

The "high level pattern" is the lower body running start....doing much of the work during the "wait" time....so that separation is achieved...so the stretch exits....so they launch can be instantaneous. It is WAY quicker than waiting until "go" for the closed hips to begin their work.

Time does not allow that. MLB hitters have learned that. It's in all of their swings. And PCR continues to deny it.

quote:

Originally posted by Loose Cannon:
So it must be so you won't lunge and spin.

Well, define spin for me.

Because Kouz spins.....so does every PCR hitter ever shown.

In fact, PCR believes there is no separation in the swing. Duh. Therefore they spin.

And spinning is slow. So...to speed up things they come up with the "momentum transfer" snipe. Or.....learning to spin faster by shifting weight to create momentum..........and the bat still drags.

This kid...



...has been put up as the poster boy for PCR.

He spins. He's been taught to remain closed until launch.

Is that what Ortiz does?

Ortiz is opening his hips LONG before launch. He is separating. And....his hand usage allows him to do that.

It also creates early batspeed and high adjustability because he DOESN'T wait for "go" to turn the hips.

He controls the launch with his......HANDS.

As long as PCR eliminates the hands they will spin. They will have to commit early...because for the closed hips to create energy at "go" AND get it to the barrel on time...they HAVE to start early.

This is not what I learned from PCR.

REVISION IS HERE.

It's about time.

Tell us what you've learned from PCR.

Are you saying they don't teach land closed with a closed front foot any longer?

BTW...to stay on the momentum transfer topic....big leaque hitters develop momentum with the running start which is NOT linear. It is the hips opening early. That is the momentum in their swings. Then, at "go", after the hips have already opened, they shift their weight.

PCR teaches is bass ackwards.

quote:

Originally posted by TDS:

quote:

Originally posted by Loose Cannon:
So it must be so you won't lunge and spin.

Well, define spin for me.

Because Kouz spins.....so does every PCR hitter ever shown.

In fact, PCR believes there is no separation in the swing. Duh. Therefore they spin.

And spinning is slow. So...to speed up things they come up with the "momentum transfer" snipe. Or.....learning to spin faster by shifting weight to create momentum..........and the bat still drags.

This kid...



...has been put up as the poster boy for PCR.

He spins. He's been taught to remain closed until launch.

Is that what Ortiz does?

Ortiz is opening his hips LONG before launch. He is separating. And....his hand usage allows him to do that.

It also creates early batspeed and high adjustability because he DOESN'T wait for "go" to turn the hips.

He controls the launch with his......HANDS.

As long as PCR eliminates the hands they will spin. They will have to commit early...because for the closed hips to create energy at "go" AND get it to the barrel on time...they HAVE to start early.

This is not what I learned from PCR.

I see Ortiz sitting or posturing for an inside pitch. Do You have front view side by side clips of Ortiz hitting count vs 2 strike approach ?

I'm not going to let the discussion go south with this diversion attempt. The "high level pattern" has nothing to do with pitch location.

This is the all-time best instructional clip.

It speaks the truth.



Why does Bond's step in the bucket, which he does consistently, and open the hips long before "go" and still drive this OUTSIDE pitch out of the ball park.

PCR, can not do anything with this pitch. Their bat will not get up to speed in time with the mechanics they teach.

BTW.....would you make a video of yourself "sitting" within the PCR swing....in other words....sitting while staying closed.

Good luck covering the zone.

This term "sit" is HIGHLY misused. That is not a sit. That is the result of the hips creating momentum, while opening, while the hitter rides the back leg. He maintains a load in the back hip so that he can shift weight at "Go".....with a push from the rear foot and shoulder lateral tilt, not rotation, and forearm rotation........not before.

Which BTW, disproves rotation around the front hip joint and the swinging gate nonsense.

It is very clear in the clip of Bonds.

Richard once again This is not the same PCR I learned. Bonds is able to drive the outside pitch because he crowds the plate.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Over and over and over.

All to protect a hitting theory that has been sold....and bought.

How many are you going to ruin before you realize you're wrong?

How many mlb clips need to be posted before you realize PCR does not explain the mlb swing?

How many times will you recite the dogma, and ignore the video?

How many times will you use the pitch location excuse?



Weight maintained over the rear leg...hips get the running start...open early....stretch created....at "go" the lateral tilt and push off the rear foot to shift the weight and the forearm rotation. Drives the outside pitch oppo.

Again and again and again.

I'm off to the inlaws....no computer there.

So far you've said Kouz didn't transfer momentum therefore he was late.

I've shown you how he, in fact, was early but that his bat is dragging because he doesn't use his hands properly.

Then you ventured into momentum transfer as the technique for eliminating spin....yet the PCR poster boy spins.

Then you ventured into pitch location as the excuse for what was being shown. So I showed you Bonds.

Then you say well Bonds stands on top of the plate....so I show you Ortiz....

And now.....it's not the PCR you learned. The ole "misrepresentation" excuse.

It doesn't fly. Remember....I know it better than anyone....according to the inventor.

It has been and will be ongoing....all to protect your investment into a flawed system.

From both sides....

....Chipper does the exact same "high level pattern"....which is not called PCR.



Open the hips early, create momentum by so doing, ride the back leg....weight shifts at go along with shoulder lateral tilt and forearm rotation.

None of these guys land closed after shifting weight to the front side and then close the gate with rotation.

There simply is no time for that. That is VERY amateur.

In the time restraints the mlb players have....the lower body running start and/or the barrel running start is mandatory.

In other words......connection happens when the two running starts meet......at "go".

PCR is a theory which starts with a nice sounding premise.....the hips are the engine. Then, as they try to develop a hitter, they keep adding things to counter the bat drag and vituall zero ability to adjust to pitches.

You end up with a hitting theory put together by a committee. Band aid this. Band aid that. Tension here. Tension there.

When in fact......the underlying pattern is wrong.

quote:

Originally posted by Loose Cannon:
Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Over and over and over.

All to protect a hitting theory that has been sold....and bought.

How many are you going to ruin before you realize you're wrong?

How many mlb clips need to be posted before you realize PCR does not explain the mlb swing?

How many times will you recite the dogma, and ignore the video?

How many times will you use the pitch location excuse?



Weight maintained over the rear leg...hips get the running start...open early....stretch created....at "go" the lateral tilt and push off the rear foot to shift the weight and the forearm rotation. Drives the outside pitch oppo.

Again and again and again.

Thanks for the Ortiz example. He sets his posture for middle in and disconnects nicely to make adjustments

quote:

Originally posted by TDS:
Richard once again This is not the same PCR I learned. Bonds is able to drive the outside pitch because he crowds the plate.

Chipper crowds the plate as well.

quote:

Originally posted by TDS:


Thanks for the Ortiz example. He sets his posture for middle in and disconnects nicely to make adjustments

I think Loose Cannon would say what you describe as disconnection is simply what happens after "go", releasing of the hands. Since connection happens at "go".

And now I can add.....you don't know the difference between disconnection and what the proper use of the hands allows.....to the above list.

The hands "going to the ball" is NOT disconnection IF the forearms are turning the barrel. Disconnection means....."disconnected from the power supply". Hands that "go to the ball" while the forearms turn the barrel have not disconnected.

Of course....PCR only has one power supply....the hips....which transfer the energy by the turn of the shoulders....so, in a PCR swing, the hands "going to the ball", by definition, HAS to be disconnection.

But, of course, the mlb high level swing is NOT the PCR swing. The mlb swing has a second power supply...evidenced by the barrel's direction at "go". ONLY the hands can do that.

Did this guy hit the ball well enough for you.



There is NO disconnection in this swing.

But there is large separation....a large lower body running start....a very early opening of the hips that creates the separation etc...etc...etc.

Nice try.

Next excuse.

quote:

Originally posted by Loose Cannon:
And now I can add.....you don't know the difference between disconnection and what the proper use of the hands allows.....to the above list.

The hands "going to the ball" is NOT disconnection IF the forearms are turning the barrel. Disconnection means....."disconnected from the power supply". Hands that "go to the ball" while the forearms turn the barrel have not disconnected.

Of course....PCR only has one power supply....the hips....which transfer the energy by the turn of the shoulders....so, in a PCR swing, the hands "going to the ball", by definition, HAS to be disconnection.

But, of course, the mlb high level swing is NOT the PCR swing. The mlb swing has a second power supply...evidenced by the barrel's direction at "go". ONLY the hands can do that.

Did this guy hit the ball well enough for you.



There is NO disconnection in this swing.

But there is large separation....a large lower body running start....a very early opening of the hips that creates the separation etc...etc...etc.

Nice try.

Next excuse.

Another good job of momentum transfer, not rocket science.

You are right....it ain't rocket science.

And, it ain't PCR either.

Hips open early....what does PCR say about that?

Separation created....what does PCR say about that?

Weight shift occurs after the hips open....what does PCR say about that?

Handle is torqued by rotating forearms....what does PCR say about that?

Hmmmmmm...yep...momentum is transfered...and it's not rocket science...yet PCR can't figure it out...they have no clue how it's done...or how to teach it.



P.S. Do you think they wish they wouldn't have put their name all over that clip? Leave it to the posse to lead the implosion.

quote:

Originally posted by Loose Cannon:
You are right....it ain't rocket science.

And, it ain't PCR either.

Hips open early....what does PCR say about that?

Separation created....what does PCR say about that?

Weight shift occurs after the hips open....what does PCR say about that?

Handle is torqued by rotating forearms....what does PCR say about that?

Hmmmmmm...yep...momentum is transfered...and it's not rocket science...yet PCR can't figure it out...they have no clue how it's done...or how to teach it.



P.S. Do you think they wish they wouldn't have put their name all over that clip? Leave it to the posse to lead the implosion.

Richard, You need to format your PCR partition it is definetly corrupted.

quote:

Originally posted by TDS:

quote:

Originally posted by Loose Cannon:
Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Over and over and over.

All to protect a hitting theory that has been sold....and bought.

How many are you going to ruin before you realize you're wrong?

How many mlb clips need to be posted before you realize PCR does not explain the mlb swing?

How many times will you recite the dogma, and ignore the video?

How many times will you use the pitch location excuse?



Weight maintained over the rear leg...hips get the running start...open early....stretch created....at "go" the lateral tilt and push off the rear foot to shift the weight and the forearm rotation. Drives the outside pitch oppo.

Again and again and again.

Thanks for the Ortiz example. He sets his posture for middle in and disconnects nicely to make adjustments

he set his posture for middle? are you kidding me?

so he sometimes sets his posture for an outside pitch when he thinks hes getting one?

quote:

Originally posted by wogdoggy:

quote:

Originally posted by TDS:

quote:

Originally posted by Loose Cannon:
Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Over and over and over.

All to protect a hitting theory that has been sold....and bought.

How many are you going to ruin before you realize you're wrong?

How many mlb clips need to be posted before you realize PCR does not explain the mlb swing?

How many times will you recite the dogma, and ignore the video?

How many times will you use the pitch location excuse?



Weight maintained over the rear leg...hips get the running start...open early....stretch created....at "go" the lateral tilt and push off the rear foot to shift the weight and the forearm rotation. Drives the outside pitch oppo.

Again and again and again.

Thanks for the Ortiz example. He sets his posture for middle in and disconnects nicely to make adjustments

he set his posture for middle? are you kidding me?

so he sometimes sets his posture for an outside pitch when he thinks hes getting one?

Yea that Ortiz ball was crushed.

You know what I find ironic about these new posters, is that Richard and Blue Dog have been roasted through the years being accused of giving short answers or sarcastic answers.

Richard puts his evidence on the board with explanations. These new guys respond with yup, nope answers...and get away with it. I've yet to see those characters hold the the guys to the same standard.

And, all the copying of the posts..makes for tedious reading and what a waste of bandwidth.

Guys, if you're going to dispute Richard's beliefs, how about using some actual dialogue. Maybe a video with some dialogue?

cheese,

They don't say anything because their stuff doesn't stand up to the video test.

They are doing research for their revision.

Notice the "talking point" answer of late.....momentum transfer.

How much safer can you be than when you say "he transfered momentum".

That's generic enough don't you think? It says nothing and may make others think they are on to something.

Of course....the details are never given. Intellectural Property excuse is given.

The real reason is they know they are wrong and they are researching for the right words to revise without being accused of revision. It will be a slow process.

Many a pawn will be sent unknowingly to the front line to do the dirty work....TDS is the most recent. Fofofo had his lunch handed to him last week. MarkH and Fungo never show their face any more. They all left with their tail between their legs.

Soon the moderator will censor.

Loose,
I see what you mean about the upper and lower body. I am still trying to see what you mean about barrel rotation with the forearms. If you are a righty do you rotate your forearms back to catcher at go. so your knuckels would go towards catcher at start. I am trying to understand this, I just thought some of the barrel blur was caused by the way people move the bat into a hinged and unhinged postion so the hands would be at top and bottom at contact. Kinda like a golfer when he sits up to a ball. the way they waggle the club then at start of swing they move the club in proper postion so the hands can hinge and un-hinge.

I respect all the time you have put in on this topic, I am just trying to learn as much as I can. Thanks

Neither of these two hitters are maintaining a box. They are turning a triangle with forearm rotation.

Supination of the top hand and pronation of the bottom hand...which sends the barrel into an arc rearward...and then joined with shoulder lateral tilt at "go".