quote:I'd encourage everyone to take SAT and/or ACT prep courses during their junior year.
You are right here . The SAT are based on grade 11 of JR studies.
You are right here . The SAT are based on grade 11 of JR studies.
You are right here . The SAT are based on grade 11 of JR studies.
The better your GPA/SAT combination, the more doors are open. It is really that simple.
My son's objective in the recruiting process was to find the a school with the best combination of high end academics and competitive baseball for which he was qualified.
The lower the GPA/SAT combo, the fewer opportunities there would be for him. He knew that all along, and thankfully, although never a great "student" in high school, was at least able to keep his GPA high enough to keep the doors open.
As for Bobble's question about GPA: nobody ever had his transcript, but he was routinely asked to self report his GPA for showcase and summer baseball type activities.
My son's objective in the recruiting process was to find the a school with the best combination of high end academics and competitive baseball for which he was qualified.
The lower the GPA/SAT combo, the fewer opportunities there would be for him. He knew that all along, and thankfully, although never a great "student" in high school, was at least able to keep his GPA high enough to keep the doors open.
As for Bobble's question about GPA: nobody ever had his transcript, but he was routinely asked to self report his GPA for showcase and summer baseball type activities.
Yes we personally gave out that info. They always asked for official transcripts to be sent by school on official school letter head.
The coaches wanted to know a ball park GPA and if he had NCAA approval.
My son's goal were different than most. He could have got into any Ivy . He wanted to enjoy his experience while playing D1 and getting a great education. He enjoyed every minute of his 4 years.
Now he is enjoying the rest of his life.
The coaches wanted to know a ball park GPA and if he had NCAA approval.
My son's goal were different than most. He could have got into any Ivy . He wanted to enjoy his experience while playing D1 and getting a great education. He enjoyed every minute of his 4 years.
Now he is enjoying the rest of his life.
Bobble, the more I read your comments, the harder it becomes to take you seriously anymore. You seem to take greater pleasure in arguing with many of us other old timers than in contributing anything of substance these days. I don't remember you being that way years ago, but you sure seem that way recently.
You have no idea about the interaction or relationships I have with my players or their families, so your comment about 'getting an attorney' proves to me that you're clueless in this regard. I respectfully suggest that you contribute positively, or simply don't post if all you want to do is argue with those of us who are trying to contribute.
Merry Christmas!
You have no idea about the interaction or relationships I have with my players or their families, so your comment about 'getting an attorney' proves to me that you're clueless in this regard. I respectfully suggest that you contribute positively, or simply don't post if all you want to do is argue with those of us who are trying to contribute.
Merry Christmas!
The movie "Grumpy Old Men" comes to mind 06...LOL
Well if you look at my old posts you will see my views are consistent.
I would never leave my son's fate regarding College in anyones hands coach or otherwise . I personally would be very unset if my son's coach said anything negative about him like you.
In the new world it is not unrealistic that parents might sue if they knew you were releasing transcripts and saying their son wouldn't get in to a certain college. Leave that up to the college.
You might have missed the thread on Spacial "College Athletic Admits "
I deal with the privacy act in my work and you should get a release to give out that info.
I would never leave my son's fate regarding College in anyones hands coach or otherwise . I personally would be very unset if my son's coach said anything negative about him like you.
In the new world it is not unrealistic that parents might sue if they knew you were releasing transcripts and saying their son wouldn't get in to a certain college. Leave that up to the college.
You might have missed the thread on Spacial "College Athletic Admits "
I deal with the privacy act in my work and you should get a release to give out that info.
quote:I respectfully suggest that you contribute positively, or simply don't post if all you want to do is argue with those of us who are trying to contribute.
I sugest you take your own advice.
My son's coach doesn't have access to transcripts. But he does ask for semester and cummulative gpa whenever grades come out so he can promote his players to coaches.quote:No coach my son played for had access to my son's transcripts.
A couple of points here. First, as a high school coach, I could not get access to my player's transcripts. When I help my parent's meeting, I informed the parents of this and gave them an indication of what I would be asked by colleges. GPA and Class Rank are among those items. Parents then had to make a decision. I honestly can't name one parent who denied my access. Our guidance department created a form that parents had to sign. Also, important to this discussion is that core classes have to be monitored. In other words, some parents don't understand that some classes don't meet the core requirement and so, when their child applies to x university, they are denied. What a shame. I was able to help guidance help my players if you catch my drift.
Yes, Bobblehead, I always worried about that potential lawsuit. Every coach does. Lets tell it like it is, if a coach is asked in general about your child's grades, honesty is the best policy. For some a coach saying, I'll leave that up to you to discuss with the parents" CAN give a real bad impression. Then again, our country is all about lawsuits. The age of entitlement again and again. Makes me want to puke!
I don't know how much different softball is than baseball in the recruiting guidelines. However, ACT, Class Rank, GPA, are all stuff we (daughter and I) have been asked from every university interested in her. In fact, one school wanted to know why she hasn't already taken the September ACT. Heck that would have been early in her junior year.
Yes, Bobblehead, I always worried about that potential lawsuit. Every coach does. Lets tell it like it is, if a coach is asked in general about your child's grades, honesty is the best policy. For some a coach saying, I'll leave that up to you to discuss with the parents" CAN give a real bad impression. Then again, our country is all about lawsuits. The age of entitlement again and again. Makes me want to puke!
I don't know how much different softball is than baseball in the recruiting guidelines. However, ACT, Class Rank, GPA, are all stuff we (daughter and I) have been asked from every university interested in her. In fact, one school wanted to know why she hasn't already taken the September ACT. Heck that would have been early in her junior year.
RJM non of our coaches had any info. The HS coach was not employed by they HS and all he cared about was that you were eligible. The elite coaches cared about BB and I saw some really big issues with players and coaches. Many became D1 pitchers and JC players Our coaches were telling college coaches and others that my son had signed. He had an offer but wasn't going to sign. I eventually corrected him after here him say it. He was ticked because they had taken kudos for placing him. In fact we did all our own promotion. I didn't totally trust them because I had seen problems with other players.
If I paid to have my son play for a team and the coach said what 06 said I would be very ticked at him. If he is going to blind side them at least let them know and stop taking their money.
If I paid to have my son play for a team and the coach said what 06 said I would be very ticked at him. If he is going to blind side them at least let them know and stop taking their money.
Coach I agree with every thing you said.Be up front and protect yourself and the school. It is a different world.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
Coach I agree with every thing you said.Be up front and protect yourself and the school. It is a different world.
I'm glad you took that the way I intended it. After I logged off, I realized that it could be taken differently.
I don't know maybe we do things different in the states. We relied heavily on son's coaches to help in the process.
When my son signed up for his summer travel team, he listed his GPA, which was published in a media guide to give to coaches, and we had no problem with him discussing son's academics.
My son's coaches had relationships with the school he signed with and many others, why would we not want them to answer questions and be honest? There imput was most important.
As far as the HS coach, he gets a report every semester, why not if asked, whycan't he share this info? It doesn't matter anyway, transcripts tell the whole story.
I see nothing wrong with what either TR or 06 said, I am sure they both have realtionships with many coaches, 06 was only telling the coaches those particualr players they did not have the GPA for entry to USCD.
When my son signed up for his summer travel team, he listed his GPA, which was published in a media guide to give to coaches, and we had no problem with him discussing son's academics.
My son's coaches had relationships with the school he signed with and many others, why would we not want them to answer questions and be honest? There imput was most important.
As far as the HS coach, he gets a report every semester, why not if asked, whycan't he share this info? It doesn't matter anyway, transcripts tell the whole story.
I see nothing wrong with what either TR or 06 said, I am sure they both have realtionships with many coaches, 06 was only telling the coaches those particualr players they did not have the GPA for entry to USCD.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
My son's goal were different than most. He could have got into any Ivy . He wanted to enjoy his experience while playing D1 and getting a great education. He enjoyed every minute of his 4 years.
Now he is enjoying the rest of his life.
BHD,
Your son's goals were not any different than mine or anyone else's here, all of our players want to enjoy their college experience while playing at any program and get a great education.
And guess what, mine is enjoying his life as well, as I am sure most of our players are.
We ask every player what their GPA and class rank is. We ask for permission to give this information to the college coaches. We prepare a scout book for our team to pass out to college coaches and to give out at every tournement we play in. If a parent will not agree to give us this information we will not allow the player to play.
This is done for obvious reasons. In HS we can check on every players gpa , grades whenever we want. We actually have a form that every player fills out and gives to each one of their teachers. A progress report if you will. There are serious consequences for misbehavior and poor peformance in the classroom even if they are grade elgible. We have these forms filled out about every 2 weeks. Some teachers are very helpful and are glad we do it. Others seem to get a little peeved at the extra work. But when pressed they send them in.
This is done for obvious reasons. In HS we can check on every players gpa , grades whenever we want. We actually have a form that every player fills out and gives to each one of their teachers. A progress report if you will. There are serious consequences for misbehavior and poor peformance in the classroom even if they are grade elgible. We have these forms filled out about every 2 weeks. Some teachers are very helpful and are glad we do it. Others seem to get a little peeved at the extra work. But when pressed they send them in.
So you think there is nothing wrong with a coach making a judgment call on a player who may quality for an athletic admit with a 3.1 GPA ?
Coach May there is nothing wrong with your requirements to play. My problem is with not letting the college decide and a coach making the call against the player.
BHD I just give them the information and then its up to them to do the further investigation to see if the kid can get in school , etc.
As you know college coaches do not have the time to spend on players or do not want to spend the time on players no matter how talented that they can not get in school. And in some cases even if they might be capable of getting the kid in school they are turned away from a borderline talent with borderline grades.
I feel that its our job to have the information available for the coaches. Its up to them to figure out what to do with it. But all it sounds like 06 is doing is giving them the information as well. If they want to check further they will.
As you know college coaches do not have the time to spend on players or do not want to spend the time on players no matter how talented that they can not get in school. And in some cases even if they might be capable of getting the kid in school they are turned away from a borderline talent with borderline grades.
I feel that its our job to have the information available for the coaches. Its up to them to figure out what to do with it. But all it sounds like 06 is doing is giving them the information as well. If they want to check further they will.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
So you think there is nothing wrong with a coach making a judgment call on a player who may quality for an athletic admit with a 3.1 GPA ?
If 06 or any other experienced coach who helps players knows the requirements, I see no problem.
BTW, IF they could have gotten in on those grades, why aren't they there?
I remember son's coach took in a player that had very poor grades, which he usually doesn't do, but there was a situation where the boys felt that he needed some good guidance and instruction. He got no interest, the mother was fuming, after she was told he most likely would not get an offer, sometimes you just can't make anyone happy. I know why coaches will not take all players, even if they are very talented, who needs that aggravation?
BHD,
Sorry that you were unable to trust any coach, I guess that is why you had to do so much work in finding your son a place to play.
quote:One of the worst days I ever had in summer ball was responding to Matt Hobbs, then the recruiting coordinator for UC San Diego (one of the top academic universities in the country). Coach Hobss pointed out 3 of our players and told me he was interested in all three potentially becoming Tritons, and asked me what I could tell him about the three boys. My reply was to the point, I said "I can tell you everything you need to know about all three of them. None are academically eligible to get into your university. One has a 3.1 and the other two are 2.9-3.0 guys."
This what I have a problem with. In my opinion you are doing it the right way and go above and beyond as usual.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
So you think there is nothing wrong with a coach making a judgment call on a player who may quality for an athletic admit with a 3.1 GPA ?
This is why coaching can be so brutal, in my opinion.
We have someone raising a ruckus on this site by alleging dad06 is violating players privacy and damaging their future by concluding catcherdad06 "made a judgment call on a player who may qualify for an athletic admit with a 3.1 GPA."
Where has it been established UCSD has "athletic admits?"
Where has it been established that even if they did, it would drop down to 3.1 GPA?
Since that recruiting coordinator is considered one of the very best, are we to think he would not step up and tell dad06 he can get any of those players considered for UCSD, if the discussion was wrongly focused?
In effect, BHD is accusing dad06 of providing false information to and about his players, when he does not know what is true or false about UCSD admissions.
Based on nothing, here we have dad06, a knowledgeable and valued poster on this site and a very successful coach, being labeled with this:
"If he is going to blind side them at least let them know and stop taking their money."
This is why coaches stop coaching. They should not have to defend themselves against the figment of fertile, ill-informed imaginations.
I believe catcherdad06 is owed an apology and BHD's very serious allegations about him and his blindsiding players be removed from this thread.
quote:Sorry that you were unable to trust any coach, I guess that is why you had to do so much work in finding your son a place to play.
All the interest from them was from Northern schools and a few in Georgia and NC.
BHD,
No need to PM to say this:
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No need to PM to say this:
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Invited: infielddad"
Well you post shows that you can't comprehend what I said. No where did I say that 06 was lying. As I also said it is another personal attack and tried to spare the posters our personal issues. Or should I say your personal issues.
quote:Originally posted by infielddad:
I believe catcherdad06 is owed an apology and BHD's very serious allegations about him and his blindsiding players be removed from this thread.
I agree, but will leave that call up to the owner of this site.
The pm also was unnecessary.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
Well you post shows that you can't comprehend what I said. No where did I say that 06 was lying. As I also said it is another personal attack and tried to spare the posters our personal issues. Or should I say your personal issues.
I didn't say you lied, anywhere in my post.
I did say you didn't know what you are talking about with UCSD admissions and owed dad06 an apology.
The issues here have to do with the serious assertions you are making about a coach and what he is doing with his players, including "blind siding" them. dad06 does not deserve to have his integrity impugned on this board.
You can call me a MORON. Don't really care.
It is wrong, in my opinion, for you to use this site to improperly impugn this coach for how he is running his team and what he is doing for his players, when you don't have facts or valid information.
As I said, I think you owe dad06 an apology.
quote:I didn't say you lied, anywhere in my post.
Comprehension : You accused me of saying 06 was lying.
UCSD is one of the toughest schools to get into academically here in California.Heck all the UC schools are.But UCSD is a D2 program, they give NO athletic money.If you do not have the grades, you are not getting into the program. PERIOD.
I know Catcherdad06.I know his program.He has a very good relationship with many coaches in California.
BBHD I dont know when your son went to college, But the landscape has changed considerably.
Most of the travel teams in Ca. have you turn in a GPA grade report.Heck Girls softball will have it all in a binder for coaches to go through.And it is the first thing they ask for.
We all know of the Stud baseball players that get in with lower GPA, it does happen, But he better be a Stud, and that team wont have ten of him, if it is a strong academic school.
I think you (WE) as a whole need to be careful when were talking on here.Information is good, a good argument is good, but insulting and attacking ones character is not good.
Also by the way, from what I have heard catchersdad06 makes no personal gain from his teams.he does it to help the boys.
The players that play for the team that catchersdad06 has, are good students, good boys, and parents who care about education, not just baseball.
I know Catcherdad06.I know his program.He has a very good relationship with many coaches in California.
BBHD I dont know when your son went to college, But the landscape has changed considerably.
Most of the travel teams in Ca. have you turn in a GPA grade report.Heck Girls softball will have it all in a binder for coaches to go through.And it is the first thing they ask for.
We all know of the Stud baseball players that get in with lower GPA, it does happen, But he better be a Stud, and that team wont have ten of him, if it is a strong academic school.
I think you (WE) as a whole need to be careful when were talking on here.Information is good, a good argument is good, but insulting and attacking ones character is not good.
Also by the way, from what I have heard catchersdad06 makes no personal gain from his teams.he does it to help the boys.
The players that play for the team that catchersdad06 has, are good students, good boys, and parents who care about education, not just baseball.
Fan I was attacked by 06 for suggesting he should have a signed waiver before giving out info.
In my opinion he should allow the college to make their determination. Supply them with the info and let them make the decision. I was shocked at his attack after my suggesting this.
Infielddad has blown this out of proportion but he and TPM have a penchant for this. I tried to take it private as I am sure most would like us to do.
My son graduated last
In my opinion he should allow the college to make their determination. Supply them with the info and let them make the decision. I was shocked at his attack after my suggesting this.
Infielddad has blown this out of proportion but he and TPM have a penchant for this. I tried to take it private as I am sure most would like us to do.
My son graduated last
I hope to he** if I ever send a pm ( PRIVATE MESSAGE ) to someone that they do not make it public without my consent. In my opinion, that should be against board rules and should be removed as well!
But to the original topic. I think we all know that grades are extremely important whether it has anything to do with baseball or not.
But to the original topic. I think we all know that grades are extremely important whether it has anything to do with baseball or not.
UCSD is one of the toughest academic schools in the nation. To my knowledge, there are no athletic admits, and knowing kids that attend it is grueling academically. Each athlete gets $500/yr. We were told that to be in D2 there had to be some athletic money. The student body voted to raise their fees a few years ago to fund the athletics.
You are a student first there and it certainly doesn't have a party reputation even though it's by the beach.
It seems like many of BH's posts need to come with a warning that they may contain inaccurate info. In other words, take it with a grain of salt.
You are a student first there and it certainly doesn't have a party reputation even though it's by the beach.
It seems like many of BH's posts need to come with a warning that they may contain inaccurate info. In other words, take it with a grain of salt.
BBHD,
I dont know about your relationship with the other posters, and PMs etc.I am just saying that here in Ca. we do give our travel coaches the boys grades. Coaches here, ask for them, and we as parents know that.
It seemed you were questioning that, and saying that coaches were invading privacy, and blindsiding parents.Thats what got people heated up.I am not trying to attack you personally.
I agree with you that coaches do take athletes with lower GPAs, but as said they dont take many.Not at the good academic schools, not anymore.
The main focus of this thread is GRADES do matter.For most of our boys who are good players, they need good grades.
I dont know about your relationship with the other posters, and PMs etc.I am just saying that here in Ca. we do give our travel coaches the boys grades. Coaches here, ask for them, and we as parents know that.
It seemed you were questioning that, and saying that coaches were invading privacy, and blindsiding parents.Thats what got people heated up.I am not trying to attack you personally.
I agree with you that coaches do take athletes with lower GPAs, but as said they dont take many.Not at the good academic schools, not anymore.
The main focus of this thread is GRADES do matter.For most of our boys who are good players, they need good grades.
Come on kids, lets remember "tis the season"
Do you all remember the last HSBBW "group hug"?
Let's see if stay away from that this time
Do you all remember the last HSBBW "group hug"?
Let's see if stay away from that this time
rz1,
Do you have a signed waiver to post those boys (men) on this site.and group hug, all men??HMMMM
I dont know if my husband would want me in that group hug. Merry Christmas
Do you have a signed waiver to post those boys (men) on this site.and group hug, all men??HMMMM
I dont know if my husband would want me in that group hug. Merry Christmas
quote:It seems like many of BH's posts need to come with a warning that they may contain inaccurate info. In other words, take it with a grain of salt
Could you point out what I said that was inaccurate. I said absolutely zip about that college. If Harvard and the Ivies give Athletic Admits then it is a possibility that college does as well.
quote:Originally posted by fanofgame:
rz1,
Do you have a signed waiver to post those boys (men) on this site.and group hug, all men??HMMMM
I dont know if my husband would want me in that group hug. Merry Christmas
This is funny.
quote:Originally posted by fanofgame:
rz1,
Do you have a signed waiver to post those boys (men) on this site.and group hug, all men??HMMMM
I dont know if my husband would want me in that group hug. Merry Christmas
FOG,
Didn't you volunteer to be in the middle?
Being a High school web site and all, I can not answer that question as it may incriminate me.But if you all insist then ???? 
....and BHD is at the bottom!
quote:Originally posted by rz1:
FOG,
Didn't you volunteer to be in the middle?, I think tpm stepped up last time, taking one for the team, to be the nucleus.
I did?