CPLZ,
How funny.
Not sure about where this topic is headed, but I hope that regardless of whatever has been posted by everyone, that each player continues to pursue the schools and baseball programs that are good fits for them, not based upon opinions of any poster in general.
That would also include what coaches may have to say about players when asked, good recruiters interested in players do their homework, because they need to field the best players for their program, regardless of academics and talent. One thing I noticed, many coaches recruit based on balance. You will find the player with a 4.0 and a player with a 2.8 coming into a program. Why, talent and academics have to balance each other for the coach to maintain his required GPA, plus his production on the field. Can't imagine how hard that job must be. That's why so many scratch their heads when they hear about who signed where, like he's not a good student but very good player, or he is an excellent student but doesn't have the talent I would expect for that program. The ultimate decision lies within the recruiting coach, he will do his homework if he is truely interested, regardless of what anyone else says, if he doesn't do this, he's not doing his job. And yes he can very well pull strings to get a player into a program that may not be otherwise eligible, but as a parent, that is not what I would be looking for, with the assumption that my student MAY do better in college. I know my son, good at time management, good student, good player, but we also knew (and he) that he was going to college for the total experience, we felt that the smaller classes and degrees offered were more suited for him, he didn't want to spend all of his time either on the field or in the classroom and that is why he was discouraged from pursuing engineering.
Did it matter where he went to school for his education, absolutely, just as much as it mattered where he went to play baseball.
The recruiting experience is unique for each and every player, and new rules change many things that were standard practice years ago, it is very hard to relate my son's recruiting experience to what is going on now, baseball money is hard to come by, it was pretty free flowing back then when the coach didn't have to give a minimum.
Unless you are a stud player that will make a significant impact, one MUST put in as much effort on their performance in the classroom as well as the field to remain competitive.
TPM,
I agree with everything you've said especially what I've quoted below. A lot people come to this site to learn about college and pro recruiting...myself included. I have learned so much but you captured it all.
"The recruiting experience is unique for each and every player, and new rules change many things that were standard practice years ago, it is very hard to relate my son's recruiting experience to what is going on now, baseball money is hard to come by, it was pretty free flowing back then when the coach didn't have to give a minimum."
Also, you made a comment about coaches and their recruiting "balance". Balance is everything. Let's face it, they have a really, really tough job. They look at many thousands of kids to fill a few/couple spots for their school or organization based on so many criteria. I know a lot of them love what they do, and many are really good at it. A man has to know his limitions, and I know I couldn't do it. I've tried to put myself in their shoes, and I've come to respect them a lot more.
I agree with everything you've said especially what I've quoted below. A lot people come to this site to learn about college and pro recruiting...myself included. I have learned so much but you captured it all.
"The recruiting experience is unique for each and every player, and new rules change many things that were standard practice years ago, it is very hard to relate my son's recruiting experience to what is going on now, baseball money is hard to come by, it was pretty free flowing back then when the coach didn't have to give a minimum."
Also, you made a comment about coaches and their recruiting "balance". Balance is everything. Let's face it, they have a really, really tough job. They look at many thousands of kids to fill a few/couple spots for their school or organization based on so many criteria. I know a lot of them love what they do, and many are really good at it. A man has to know his limitions, and I know I couldn't do it. I've tried to put myself in their shoes, and I've come to respect them a lot more.
Thanks Fenwaysouth, my son's scholarship consisted of all baseball money, if he were to be recruited today, I doubt pretty much that would be the case, so as well as he did do in school, he might just have to do better for today's recruiting.
I thought things were competitive back then, boy have things changed.
That's why good grades are so imnportant.
I thought things were competitive back then, boy have things changed.
That's why good grades are so imnportant.
6 or 7 yrs ago i would have said, who cares about grades? hearing all the story's about athletes going here and there on full rides. why worry? if it looks to good to be true, it probably is.
being an acedemic under achiever myself i didn't know any better. not only didn't the apple's fall far from the tree...we didn't get much of a roll either. while they are both going to be fine in life, we'd approach things different today.
regardless of what you want to do in life, good grades aren't just important they should be a must.from the voice of experience.
being an acedemic under achiever myself i didn't know any better. not only didn't the apple's fall far from the tree...we didn't get much of a roll either. while they are both going to be fine in life, we'd approach things different today.
regardless of what you want to do in life, good grades aren't just important they should be a must.from the voice of experience.
I'll throw this in to the discussion. I went to college in the mid 70s. I went on an academic scholarship. I played baseball. Take that for what it is worth but my college coach often remarked that I was "for free." Of course I was terrible as well and so, I can't account for how good "for free" was. 
quote:BHD, you should also realize that college coaches do care about what kind of parents a player has, even though college coaches usually won't have much if any interaction with mom and dad beyond exchanging pleasantries. I was once trying to convince a college coach about what a great fit I thought one particular player would be for his program, and the response I got was "I know the kid would make us better, but his dad is a big *ssh*le and I won't have his kid on my team because I don't want to hear from his dad all the time."
I must admit, I find this a little surprising. I would think a college coach would have enough control and/or experience over at the collegiate level that the parent issue would be sooo select/high school and not an issue anymore. I guess not.
You would be surprised how many parents call the coach or AD on a regular basis , some even on a weekly basis
Coaches do not need the grief and aggravation and it certainly does not help the player---in fact it can hurt him
Coaches do not need the grief and aggravation and it certainly does not help the player---in fact it can hurt him
quote:Originally posted by workinghard:quote:BHD, you should also realize that college coaches do care about what kind of parents a player has, even though college coaches usually won't have much if any interaction with mom and dad beyond exchanging pleasantries. I was once trying to convince a college coach about what a great fit I thought one particular player would be for his program, and the response I got was "I know the kid would make us better, but his dad is a big *ssh*le and I won't have his kid on my team because I don't want to hear from his dad all the time."
I must admit, I find this a little surprising. I would think a college coach would have enough control and/or experience over at the collegiate level that the parent issue would be sooo select/high school and not an issue anymore. I guess not.
Don't let this statement shock you. That is why it is so important, IMO, for the parent to stay out of the recruiting process until they have to ( counter offers, questions before or after the offer), let the recruit develop his relationship with the coaches.
Funny thing a recruiting coach told us once, he really doesn't like dads calling and asking tons questions, but moms can call whenever they want and ask whatever they want.
I won't mention him by name, but we have discussed this coach here a few times and it wasn't my son's coach. Great sense of humor.
TPM
what are your thoughts on parents calling the coach after the boy is a rostered player? I am talking either Mom or Dad
what are your thoughts on parents calling the coach after the boy is a rostered player? I am talking either Mom or Dad
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
TPM
what are your thoughts on parents calling the coach after the boy is a rostered player? I am talking either Mom or Dad
TR depends on what for. If you are talking about calling to ask why son isn't playing, no, never.
Major injury to discuss options with coach, no problem.
Concern over grades should be directed to the athletic or academic advisor.
AD, NEVER.
It's tough question for me, as you know that I spoke to Sully on occasion and so did husband, but mostly due to the friendship, which is still to this day. But Sully was like that, he kept his line of communication open with all the pitchers parents, one mom was so distraught over her son going so far away he spoke to her everyday for a week to make her feel better. Clemson was an unusual situation, some parents of players from far away actually moved in their son's last season, it was not discouraged by the coaching staff, but I am not sure I agree with doing that.
I actually saw (and heard) a parent pull KO over to the side and went off because his son had lost his start, now that's not his business to tell coach how to run his team, for any level. It was embarrassing, some of us heard, in that case, call him up if you plan on making a scene.
Talked to HC twice over the phone during recruiting, that was it.
When you live so far away, have opportunities to send your son much closer to home, it's very tough, for us it was hard, but we knew and understood that, and trusted the coaches would take care of him, which they did, that doesn't happen often, so I should never say never call.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
You would be surprised how many parents call the coach or AD on a regular basis , some even on a weekly basis
Coaches do not need the grief and aggravation and it certainly does not help the player---in fact it can hurt him
Then I'm a coach's dream, I never talk to the HC. Should I put this on the questionnaire?
55mom
I only advise the parents of my players what to do or not do
Sorry
I only advise the parents of my players what to do or not do
Sorry
I think she was kidding.
But I do strongly agree with TR's advice.
But I do strongly agree with TR's advice.
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Here ya' go 20dad...Merry Christmas to you and your family!
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- "...we didn't get much of a roll either."
Here ya' go 20dad...Merry Christmas to you and your family!
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TPM,
Again great advice coming from someone who has been there done that. I won't be in those shoes until next year. I'm not the type of parent to call a coach regardless, but it is good to see there is protocol to follow, and it makes sense. Let the coaches "coach", and parents "parent".
Again great advice coming from someone who has been there done that. I won't be in those shoes until next year. I'm not the type of parent to call a coach regardless, but it is good to see there is protocol to follow, and it makes sense. Let the coaches "coach", and parents "parent".
quote:TR depends on what for. If you are talking about calling to ask why son isn't playing, no, never.
Major injury to discuss options with coach, no problem.
Concern over grades should be directed to the athletic or academic advisor.
AD, NEVER.
Talked to HC twice over the phone during recruiting, that was it.
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
I think she was kidding.
But I do strongly agree with TR's advice.
oh I am kidding!
In an attempt to steer things back on track,I'll contribute what I tell my players and parents about the role of academics in the pursuit of an opporunity to play collegiate baseball.
Your academics are very important, every bit as much as your baseball playing ability. If you aspire to play in college at a 4-year university then you'll have to be as succesful as possible in the classroom. Just being a 'NCAA Qualifier' isn't good enough these days, as Academic Progress Ratings (APR) are as much a concern with college coaches as whether you can pitch or hit a fastball. If a prospective college coach has doubts about your academic abilities for his institution, he'll be as shy as if he thinks you aren't the player for his program. If you expect to receive money beyond any potential athletic aid, then you'd better strive to keep your cumulative core GPA above 3.5, with SAT math and verbal scores of at least 1200. Below those levels you won't seen any academic aid (and many schools require even higher grades/scores for academic aid).
I'll finish by telling a story about a conversation I had earlier this year that provided excellent information for anyone who aspires to go to a top level academic univesity. As background, in 2006 two of the young men who played for us, Lars Anderson and Tim Wheeler, were offered athletic scholarships to play for Stanford. Now, Lars and Tim were outstanding students at demanding high schools, both with 4.0 or higher core GPA's and high SAT & ACT scores. Both are also top baseball players (Lars is now a top prospect for the Red Sox and Tim was a 1st round draft pick of the Rockies last June.) Both were denied admission into Stanford, so clearly both they and the baseball coaches were stunned. Stanford had a new Dean of Admissions at that time who apparently had issues with athletes (which has since been resolved!) and these outstanding student athletes were both denied admission. Anyway, with that in mind, while we've had players go on to play for nearly every other northern California university that plays D1 baseball, we've never had a player get into Stanford. This past July at the Area Code tryouts, I was standing next to Coach Nakama of Stanford and we struck up a conversation about what it takes these days for a good player to get into Stanford. Coach Nakama said (this is excellent advice every student who aspires to get into a top university should keep in mind): "A student must have all A's and B's, with more A's than B's. He cannot have a C in any class at all. If he achieves that with high test scores, he's someone who'll be academically eligible for consideration." No matter which top university a student athlete aspires to attend, I think that's very good advice!
I also wonder what Stanford might have done the last 3 years if Lars and Timmy had been Cardinals?
Your academics are very important, every bit as much as your baseball playing ability. If you aspire to play in college at a 4-year university then you'll have to be as succesful as possible in the classroom. Just being a 'NCAA Qualifier' isn't good enough these days, as Academic Progress Ratings (APR) are as much a concern with college coaches as whether you can pitch or hit a fastball. If a prospective college coach has doubts about your academic abilities for his institution, he'll be as shy as if he thinks you aren't the player for his program. If you expect to receive money beyond any potential athletic aid, then you'd better strive to keep your cumulative core GPA above 3.5, with SAT math and verbal scores of at least 1200. Below those levels you won't seen any academic aid (and many schools require even higher grades/scores for academic aid).
I'll finish by telling a story about a conversation I had earlier this year that provided excellent information for anyone who aspires to go to a top level academic univesity. As background, in 2006 two of the young men who played for us, Lars Anderson and Tim Wheeler, were offered athletic scholarships to play for Stanford. Now, Lars and Tim were outstanding students at demanding high schools, both with 4.0 or higher core GPA's and high SAT & ACT scores. Both are also top baseball players (Lars is now a top prospect for the Red Sox and Tim was a 1st round draft pick of the Rockies last June.) Both were denied admission into Stanford, so clearly both they and the baseball coaches were stunned. Stanford had a new Dean of Admissions at that time who apparently had issues with athletes (which has since been resolved!) and these outstanding student athletes were both denied admission. Anyway, with that in mind, while we've had players go on to play for nearly every other northern California university that plays D1 baseball, we've never had a player get into Stanford. This past July at the Area Code tryouts, I was standing next to Coach Nakama of Stanford and we struck up a conversation about what it takes these days for a good player to get into Stanford. Coach Nakama said (this is excellent advice every student who aspires to get into a top university should keep in mind): "A student must have all A's and B's, with more A's than B's. He cannot have a C in any class at all. If he achieves that with high test scores, he's someone who'll be academically eligible for consideration." No matter which top university a student athlete aspires to attend, I think that's very good advice!
I also wonder what Stanford might have done the last 3 years if Lars and Timmy had been Cardinals?
Confused - they were offered an athletic scholarship and denied admission? A college can give out a scholarship before a student is accepted to the school? I guess I never knew that.
I meant the travel coach didn't have the info. Any coach in our district can look up their player's grades online any time they want. They get a weekly report on any player either academically ineligible or in the (determined by the district) danger zone. The ineligibility line at our high school is above the state requirement. If a player has an F for a week he/she's ineligible until the situation is remedied. It may not be fair at times to the athlete. But the high school has a 97% on to college rate.quote:RJM non of our coaches had any info.
I'm not sure the guys in the picture would be interested in having a women in their group hug. Not that there's anything wrong with that!quote:I dont know if my husband would want me in that group hug.
I know you already know the answer to this. But for any inexperienced parent that doesn't ...quote:Then I'm a coach's dream, I never talk to the HC. Should I put this on the questionnaire?
You establish your reputation with your son's current coaches every week. When a college recruiter asks the coach about the player's parents he'll be reading the coach's body language in addition to what he says and how he says it. Your son's coach doesn't want to hurt his chances. But he's not going to lie. The recruiting coach will be looking at the body language of what he's not saying or the level of enthusiam of what he says about the parents. So for any parent who isn't doing the right thing, start behaving.
Last summer my son took five 3-2 called thirds over two weeks. Even though four were very questionable calls, I snapped at him, "Swing the GD bat. You're not going to walk your way to college ball." It took his coach a few weeks to get over I yelled at him from the stands. The coach and I had a couple of talks even though I had never said anything previous to that moment. And I don't hang around practices.
While baseball (and talent development) is important, it falls in to second place behind grades/academics - and even more so in our current economy. There are many reasons why - beyond just getting a player in to a school of his choice (who wants him for baseball). Consider the level of academics he will be thrown into once he arrives at college. It will be tough enough to keep his head above water if he is not at the required academic level for the college/university, let alone stay afloat after you throw in all of the time they spend in fall ball, etc. And the competition can get even tougher within his major field of study. And then there is always the issue of what happens when baseball ends? How will his academics help him get a job? and so on.....
When in doubt, please re-read the post by 06catcherdad as it is right on.
When in doubt, please re-read the post by 06catcherdad as it is right on.
quote:Originally posted by baseball_fever:
Confused - they were offered an athletic scholarship and denied admission? A college can give out a scholarship before a student is accepted to the school? I guess I never knew that.
Yes, early signing is in the fall of senior year and admission usually isn't awarded until the spring.
However, most coaches usually ask advice of admissions before they award the NLI, there have been cases where players aren't accepted but that's usually because they are ineligible.
Can't beleive those two players were not accepted with those grades.
55mom,
The kidding part was you asking if you could put that on a questionaire.
TPM, nobody could believe they weren't accepted, including the Cardinal coaches. Both students verballed and were stunned when they found out that they were denied. Also, it was tough because other schools had moved on in many cases. Tim ended up displaying his true character, as he decided to be the guy who would stay home and play for Sacramento State, even though there were still a lot of high profile schools that would have loved to have him. He felt that at some point, the better local players needed to be willing to stay home instead of going off to bigger opportunities, and that he should lead by example. That's the kind of person he is, humble, focused, an acheiver and fine all around young man. Lars ended up with a deal to attend and play for Cal, but the Red Sox drafted him and after a very solid summer they signed him and he hasn't looked back. The problem at Stanford has been dealt with and they can now get guys in that they couldn't consider 3-4 years ago. I think you're seeing some of those results on their football team these last two seasons, and baseball should be very good, just like they usually are.
06CD - This is the part of the college baseball recruiting process that really s*cks......when you hear about stories like this. I totally understand these were standout students, standout athletes, and standout young men. Somehow the smart people at Stanford lost their minds temporarily. The cream will always rise to the top. I'm really looking forward to seeing Lars Anderson in a MLB Red Sox uniform soon. I will be rooting for him even more now that I know the path he had to take. Hopefully, Stanford has somethig in place to prevent this from happening. Something like "likely letters" in the Ivys or top LACs. This protects both sides a little better, or possibly Stanford has a process where admissions does a pre-screen and allows the athletic scholarships to go forward. I really feel for what happened to these young men, and I hope it was just a speed bump in their academic/athletic lives.
Fenwaysouth, I wouldn't worry about Lars, he's doing great! In the end, it worked out for the best, as if he'd ended up at Stanford, he wouldn't have gone in the draft at all. As it turned out, he's very happy that he chose the path he did...and he LOVES the Red Sox organization. It has worked out very well for him, and he recently told one of our younger players that if he knew then what he knows now, it would have been an even easier decision to turn pro. Sometimes, things just work out the way they were meant to be, even though it might not seem that way at the time.
Don't know if he's going to start the season in Portland or Pawtucket, but either way he'll be just fine. I'm hoping to fly out to see him play this summer, and hopefully it'll be at Fenway, but only time will tell.
Don't know if he's going to start the season in Portland or Pawtucket, but either way he'll be just fine. I'm hoping to fly out to see him play this summer, and hopefully it'll be at Fenway, but only time will tell.
quote:Lars Anderson
Not sure why topic has turned to Anderson (or maybe I simply missed it).
Anderson has been on Red Sox Front Office fast track since assigned in 2007. (And got a lot of bucks for signing in 2006.)
Anderson, and with a pro body, put up great numbers in 2007 & 2008. In 2010 I hear he has received an invite to report to ST early in 2010.
Yet his numbers in 2009 at AA are not impressive and the grapevine say he has revealed a need to improve not striking out vs AA off-speed pitches.
A student/athlete signed an NLI (Division I school), applied for early admissions and was informed that an early admissions decision cannot be made and that he will need to submit his 1st and 2nd qtr grades. Consequently, no final decision on acceptance until March 31 at the earliest. Assuming his grades meet NCAA eligibility but admissions does not accept the application what can be done now to contact other schools, whether it be Division I or Division II?
quote:Originally posted by Northeast BBALL:
A student/athlete signed an NLI (Division I school), applied for early admissions and was informed that an early admissions decision cannot be made and that he will need to submit his 1st and 2nd qtr grades. Consequently, no final decision on acceptance until March 31 at the earliest. Assuming his grades meet NCAA eligibility but admissions does not accept the application what can be done now to contact other schools, whether it be Division I or Division II?
When colleges offer NLI they would have done a pre approval process to ensure that the player will be approved to get admitted.
Some high academic schools will use the offer of admission (to some who normally would not get in) as an incentive to sign with the school.
If you have concerns that he will not be admitted, you should contact the coach to get assurances. Now if the player does not keep up his side of the bargain of keeping up his grades, the school may withdraw the NLI.
By signing the NLI, your player is committed to that DI school in terms of baseball. DII also use the same NLI. You have options which were outlined in the NLI, but they would include having to sit out a year if you plan to go to a DI or II.
Good Luck and enjoy the ride.
The question by Northeast BBALL is a cross post.
As was noted in the other thread, if a player isn't admitted to a college, the NLI he signed with that school is null, and he may sign a NLI and/or attend elsewhere without penalty.
As an aside, it is my opinion that posting the same question in multiple forums is counter productive. Not to mention confusing to me.
As was noted in the other thread, if a player isn't admitted to a college, the NLI he signed with that school is null, and he may sign a NLI and/or attend elsewhere without penalty.
As an aside, it is my opinion that posting the same question in multiple forums is counter productive. Not to mention confusing to me.
3FG
I agree---I read it once and responded but then found it in a few other forums---had me wondering if I really did respond
I agree---I read it once and responded but then found it in a few other forums---had me wondering if I really did respond
Hi guys,
Just want to get your opinions regarding taking Honors Classes vs AP classes during your Junior and Senior year. RR23JR is currently a sophomore and basically registered for all possible Honors classes for next year. How important is it to take AP classes in getting to college or getting to as well as playing BB in college?
RR23
Just want to get your opinions regarding taking Honors Classes vs AP classes during your Junior and Senior year. RR23JR is currently a sophomore and basically registered for all possible Honors classes for next year. How important is it to take AP classes in getting to college or getting to as well as playing BB in college?
RR23
Ryanrod I used to teach AP US History and in my opinion if your son can handle the academic load of an AP class he is MUUUUUUCH better off taking the AP classes.
Several benefits
1. AP classes weigh more - A in regular class is 4.0, A in honors is 4.5 and A in AP is 5.0
2. AP can give you actual college credit - some colleges offer what's called a dual credit. If you take the high school AP class and pass it with like a B or an A then the college associated with the high school now gives the student actual college credit.
Or if there isn't a dual credit there is an AP exam at the end of the class. It's scored on a 1 - 5 scale. 5 is extremely well qualified, 4 is well qualified, 3 is qualified, 2 is possibly qualified and 1 is you wasted your money taking the test. If you get a 5 virtually every college in the country will accept the test result and give you college credit for two classes (well in US History - part 1 and part 2). A 4 most colleges will accept the score and give you credit. A 3 and you are probably not going to get the credit from any college with the exception of some JUCOs or low level 4 year schools. I've never heard of a 2 getting any credit.
3. AP provides a more real life college look at depth of content than an Honors class. While a lot of this depends on the teacher you can't teach an AP class without going into great detail in whatever it is.
College will look favorably at honors classes but AP classes will get you actual college credit if you pass the test of have dual credit.
In all honesty Ryanrod your son will be much better off going the AP route if he is able to handle the load. It will be much tougher on him during baseball season and he will need to able to pace / organize himself.
Several benefits
1. AP classes weigh more - A in regular class is 4.0, A in honors is 4.5 and A in AP is 5.0
2. AP can give you actual college credit - some colleges offer what's called a dual credit. If you take the high school AP class and pass it with like a B or an A then the college associated with the high school now gives the student actual college credit.
Or if there isn't a dual credit there is an AP exam at the end of the class. It's scored on a 1 - 5 scale. 5 is extremely well qualified, 4 is well qualified, 3 is qualified, 2 is possibly qualified and 1 is you wasted your money taking the test. If you get a 5 virtually every college in the country will accept the test result and give you college credit for two classes (well in US History - part 1 and part 2). A 4 most colleges will accept the score and give you credit. A 3 and you are probably not going to get the credit from any college with the exception of some JUCOs or low level 4 year schools. I've never heard of a 2 getting any credit.
3. AP provides a more real life college look at depth of content than an Honors class. While a lot of this depends on the teacher you can't teach an AP class without going into great detail in whatever it is.
College will look favorably at honors classes but AP classes will get you actual college credit if you pass the test of have dual credit.
In all honesty Ryanrod your son will be much better off going the AP route if he is able to handle the load. It will be much tougher on him during baseball season and he will need to able to pace / organize himself.
There isn't a standard from state to state or even district to district within a state on weighted gpas. Our high school doesn't weight grades externally. They do it internally. The student never sees it. It raises the student's class rank. It's why coaches ask for unweighted gpa. Then they might ask about the courses.quote:1. AP classes weigh more - A in regular class is 4.0, A in honors is 4.5 and A in AP is 5.0
A friend's son is playing baseball at a very prestigious academic university in a major D1 conference. He was a Baseball America Top 150. He didn't even take honors courses in high school. No problem. The baseball program also gets JuCo transfers accepted.
If a kid wants to play at Hopkins, Emory, Trinity (CT), etc, course load will matter. They're not recruiting the top baseball talent in the country to stay competitive in a major D1 conference.
Thank you very much Coach 2709.
We are contemplating on changing Humanities H to AP either American Literature or US History. I appreciate your input.
Which is easier to get a 5.0?
Appreciate your input too RJM.
We are contemplating on changing Humanities H to AP either American Literature or US History. I appreciate your input.
Which is easier to get a 5.0?
Appreciate your input too RJM.
I've said this before and hope I don't sound like a broken record but...AP classes can help immensely in college. If your college accepts the AP credits (usually must have a 4 or 5 on AP exams), then the student gets credit for those classes in college. Between the AP classes and college classes my son took in hs he was given 17 credits upon entering college.
For an athlete especially this is a nice cushion during the season(to have extra units). This was the only area I ever slightly pushed my son in. Little nudges now and then helped to make his college life much easier. Take AP classes that you love and you won't notice the extra work!
But, it does depend on the college and the student's major. Engineering usually won't let the student skip too many college introductory classes in math. This info is available on the college website as to which AP credits they accept. The really high level colleges may not accept many AP credits. All colleges weight the high school transcript with their own formula, so the GPA may vary from college to college.
It helps to know what kind of colleges your student is aiming for. You can google the common data set for each college to find out the average GPA and SAT results for the previous year. This can help your son set obtainable goals academically.
For an athlete especially this is a nice cushion during the season(to have extra units). This was the only area I ever slightly pushed my son in. Little nudges now and then helped to make his college life much easier. Take AP classes that you love and you won't notice the extra work!
But, it does depend on the college and the student's major. Engineering usually won't let the student skip too many college introductory classes in math. This info is available on the college website as to which AP credits they accept. The really high level colleges may not accept many AP credits. All colleges weight the high school transcript with their own formula, so the GPA may vary from college to college.
It helps to know what kind of colleges your student is aiming for. You can google the common data set for each college to find out the average GPA and SAT results for the previous year. This can help your son set obtainable goals academically.
Not sure I agree with asking which is easier to get a 5.0 in----says something about the thinking-
Thanks CaBB..
@ TRHIT.. It was meant as a joke.. I know you cannot get a 5 without working hard for it. Just clarifying. Have a great day!
@ TRHIT.. It was meant as a joke.. I know you cannot get a 5 without working hard for it. Just clarifying. Have a great day!
The only thing I would add is as posted above make sure he can handle the course load. A c or b- in AP does not help with college admissions, it will work against him but if he can do well go for it.My son`s school is an IB school and he may be able to skip a year in college if he scores well enough on his IB exams.
The following article has a great discussion about grades, courses and test scores related to college admissions. It came to me from a member of a local school board.
http://www.centerforpubliceduc...CB39EE372F4*¬oc=1
http://www.centerforpubliceduc...CB39EE372F4*¬oc=1