The Bears always go into that prevent defense and it is brutal to watch. As far as Barber hereally didn't turn his brain off as I just think he forgot to turn it on since the kansas city game when he lined up wrong and cost the bears 6 points and a good shot at another win.
No question the Bears had the game won. They gave it away, but still someone had to take it and win the game. Fewest mistakes, wins a lot!
That prevent defense almost gave up a long TD pass had the receiver caught the ball. On that one they got beat deep.
That prevent defense almost gave up a long TD pass had the receiver caught the ball. On that one they got beat deep.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
Why would anyone be a Tebow hater?
I have the same question. This thread is considerably longer than the one bashing the criminals who play basketball for Xavier and Cincinnati.
Even if you're not religious, how is it not possible to enjoy watching Tebow more than the Ohio Felons?
All you had to do to see it again was tune into the last five minutes of the Cowboys-Giants game. The Cowboys gave up fourteen points in four minutes. Then the Giants went prevent and allowed the Cowboys to get into field goal position. The prevent defense fails to work in games every week.quote:Originally posted by Sandman:
He piled up all his passing stats once the Bears went into prevent defense to protect a lead that they should've been able to win with. And had Barber not gone out of bounds, they would have.
This isn't the first time a defense has gone into super-prevent and given up a ton of late-game yards, thinking the game was already won - and it WAS... if Barber hadn't turned off his brain.
Coaches use the prevent defense due to it's universal acceptance. A coach isn't going to get fired for losing using the prevent. He'll get fired playing the opponent straight up and getting beat over the top.
It reminds me of when I worked for IBM before desktops and the proliferation of servers and networks. If we weren't winning the deal we were trained to go for FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt). "Sir, have you ever heard of a Data Processing Director (the title in those days) being fired for making a 'Big' Blue recommendation to the CFO and President?" It worked often. IBM was good at marketing and support. People care more about retaining their jobs than the end result.
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All very good points RJM.
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All very good points RJM.
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I bet the people at FRS, the energy drink that locked up a deal with Tebow, are dancing in the streets as his Q rating is climbing thru the sky
Originally posted by RJM:
"The prevent defense fails to work in games every week."
It's used mostly to burn time off the clock. Small gains, keep them in-bounds, cross your fingers and hope for a turnover (or a missed FG
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"The prevent defense fails to work in games every week."
It's used mostly to burn time off the clock. Small gains, keep them in-bounds, cross your fingers and hope for a turnover (or a missed FG
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Please explain all of that to the Lovester...Coach Smith. And have a word with My Favorite Martzian too.
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Please explain all of that to the Lovester...Coach Smith. And have a word with My Favorite Martzian too.
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This cut and paste from an article today sums up what I've been saying all along. It's about the Broncos versus the Patriots.
"While the Patriots are adored by their fans, to many nationwide they are regarded as the Sons of Darkness, with their perfectly coiffed Hollywood quarterback and their brilliant – one might say diabolical – hoodie-clad coach. And, oh yes, the most identifiably Jewish owner in sports."
A Jewish owner is a son of darkness.
"While the Patriots are adored by their fans, to many nationwide they are regarded as the Sons of Darkness, with their perfectly coiffed Hollywood quarterback and their brilliant – one might say diabolical – hoodie-clad coach. And, oh yes, the most identifiably Jewish owner in sports."
A Jewish owner is a son of darkness.
The prevent is designed to give up a bunch of 5-8 yard passes to kill the clock. Throw in one incomplete pass and it takes three plays to make a first down with the clock running on two of them.quote:Originally posted by AntzDad:
Originally posted by RJM:
"The prevent defense fails to work in games every week."
It's used mostly to burn time off the clock. Small gains, keep them in-bounds, cross your fingers and hope for a turnover (or a missed FG
The Bears were dropping eight so deep receivers were open 10-15 yards downfield. They were only rushing three. After chasing and trapping Tebow for fifty-five minutes they let him stand in the pocket all day while leaving receivers open down the field. Then the Bears didn't cover the receiver who scored the touchdown.
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I posted it once and I'll post it again...
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I posted it once and I'll post it again...
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I don't know anyone who regards them as the son's of darkness. I had no idea they had a Jewish owner. Who are they referring to in this article? Who are these people who refer to the Patriots as the Son's of Darkness? Who cares if the owner is Jewish? Apparently not too many people he seems to have done quite well for himself over the years.
Son's of darkness? I have never heard that before either. Must be a left wing thing against a team called the Patriots... That is the only explanation I can offer.
Where we live, smack dab in the middle of the country, There are many more Patriot fans than Bronco fans. More Tom Brady fans than most any QB. I think Belichek is among the most respected coaches ever.
It's only recently that people started to jump on the Bronco/Tebow bandwagon.
Not sure what ownership or someone being Jewish has to do with any of this. Don't understand the "son of darknness" thing at all. Patriots against the Broncos, it's a football game.
I do know that most wars throughout history were based on Religion. Is that writer trying to make this more than just a football game?
It's only recently that people started to jump on the Bronco/Tebow bandwagon.
Not sure what ownership or someone being Jewish has to do with any of this. Don't understand the "son of darknness" thing at all. Patriots against the Broncos, it's a football game.
I do know that most wars throughout history were based on Religion. Is that writer trying to make this more than just a football game?
quote:Originally posted by Coach_May:
"I don't know anyone who regards them as the son's of darkness. I had no idea they had a Jewish owner. Who are they referring to in this article? Who are these people who refer to the Patriots as the Son's of Darkness? Who cares if the owner is Jewish? Apparently not too many people he seems to have done quite well for himself over the years."
That was my reaction as well. The only person in the Patriots employ that I might consider a "Son of Darkness" is Belichick, but only because he is so sullen, brooding and secretive most of the time in public. But that wouldn't be the first semi-apt description of him I would think of.
I literally had no idea Robert Kraft (that's the owner's name, right?) was Jewish, nor would I care one way or the other. The only thing I think whenever I see him is, "He sure likes those blue shirts with white collars. Don't see those around much anymore."
quote:Originally posted by floridafan:
Son's of darkness? I have never heard that before either.
Neither have I. Roger Goodell just calls them The Cheaters.
Late to the party. As a Christian, I will add ony:
Matthew 6:5-6: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men....when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...."
Matthew 6:5-6: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men....when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...."
quote:Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Late to the party. As a Christian, I will add ony:
Matthew 6:5-6: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men....when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...."
Jimmy, I was raised on this verse. I'm not saying that Tebow and others who chose to preach/pray on street corners aren't sincere, so please don't anyone say otherwise. However, I sincerely believe God is a baseball fan,
I just don't think he gives a patootie when a ball goes over the centerfield fence, or (of even less importance) if a QB makes a winning TD. imo, I don't feel He works that way (I could be wrong, I haven't met Him yet)I don't particularly care for the over hyped, and I felt that Tebow was the only kid on his college team. (casual observer here) Now that he is a pro, he seems to come alive at the very end, and is able to exploit weaknesses that open up in the opponent. No other QB at the moment seems to be able to do that. The Broncos are winning right now, and it is exciting to see.
Great verse, but poor application Jimmy. Say what you will about Tebow but hypocrite he is not. He's clear about what he believes in and stands behind it. As for if God cares about homeruns and touchdowns, I tend to think not but the bible does say He cares about things we care about...so who knows. But one thing is clear, He works through all situations...not just when his believers win.
Matthew 6:5-6: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men....when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...."
Someone want to run by me exactly what this means?
Someone want to run by me exactly what this means?
Your walk should follow your talk.
Wow, this thread has taken on a life of its own. I am glad Jimmy brought up M6:5-6. While I would never speak for Tim Tebow or blindly support and/or deny his sincereity because he prays in public, I do not see a hypocrite. What I do see is this.
I see a young man of faith who has never, n e v e r waivered from his public Christian faith, during both good and bad times. I see a young man of faith, thanking GOD for giving him the ability to praise and honor HIM by his actions, whatever/whenever the HOLY Spirit may move him. I do not believe he does this only in public view, in uniform, I do not believe he's praying for TDs or Bronco wins. What you see, is what you get 24/7/365, the real deal.
Lastly, I see the sincerity of faith in his gestures, his voice, and his demeanor. And, all of this occurs despite the negativity of some media-phobs and detractors.
I will choose to listen and believe the voice of truth.
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I see a young man of faith who has never, n e v e r waivered from his public Christian faith, during both good and bad times. I see a young man of faith, thanking GOD for giving him the ability to praise and honor HIM by his actions, whatever/whenever the HOLY Spirit may move him. I do not believe he does this only in public view, in uniform, I do not believe he's praying for TDs or Bronco wins. What you see, is what you get 24/7/365, the real deal.
Lastly, I see the sincerity of faith in his gestures, his voice, and his demeanor. And, all of this occurs despite the negativity of some media-phobs and detractors.
I will choose to listen and believe the voice of truth.
GED10DaD
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
Matthew 6:5-6: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men....when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...."
Someone want to run by me exactly what this means?
Roughly, Jesus was referring to those who pray publicly, wanting to be seen praying ...to brag about their piety and impress others. He is suggesting that sincere prayer is best done privately, between one and the Father.
quote:Roughly, Jesus was referring to those who pray publicly, wanting to be seen praying ...to brag about their piety and impress others. He is suggesting that sincere prayer is best done privately, between one and the Father.
Jesus prayed publically. So you think he was a hypocrite? Think you got it mixed up.
Tebow exhibits and professes his faith not in glory of himself, but in glory of his chosen savior.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:quote:Roughly, Jesus was referring to those who pray publicly, wanting to be seen praying ...to brag about their piety and impress others. He is suggesting that sincere prayer is best done privately, between one and the Father.
Jesus prayed publically. So you think he was a hypocrite? Think you got it mixed up.
No, I don't. I understand the difference between the public prayer of Jesus and the demonstrations before a television audience during an entertainment event which calls attention to oneself more than it does to the Father.
The proof is in this thread and everywhere else you look. What is everyone talking about...the Father or Tim's demonstrations?
Jesus's admonishment was not to be like the hypocrites. I am not saying Tebow is a hypocrite, just suggesting there may be more appropriate ways and times to thank God for his blessings.
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The only public prayer that I recall being attributed to Jesus was ,
"Father, why have you forsaken me ?"
Preachings or teachings are not usually considered prayer.
If Jesus was/is indeed God, who would he be praying to ?
What Tebow does is profess his faith in a power greater than Humanity.
It seems that individuals want to stymy freedom of speech and expression.
Only Tebow knows what is in his heart
"Father, why have you forsaken me ?"
Preachings or teachings are not usually considered prayer.
If Jesus was/is indeed God, who would he be praying to ?
What Tebow does is profess his faith in a power greater than Humanity.
It seems that individuals want to stymy freedom of speech and expression.
Only Tebow knows what is in his heart
Guess there's no way of knowing for sure, but I bet Tebow prays in private quite often. Personally I'm more interested in his other attributes and what is happening on the football field.
His show of faith kind of bothered me when he was in college because I mistakenly thought it was mostly for show. But he has been too consistant, never wavering a bit. I don't think there is anything at all fake about Tim Tebow.
I expect the Broncos to get beat tomorrow. It will give the naysayers some ammunition, but Tebow will not change a bit. If he never wins another game, football fans will always remember this year.
I hope thousands of young kids want to be just like him rather than Big Ben, Plaxico, Michael Vick, or Sam Hurd.
And what if the Broncos win tomorrow?
His show of faith kind of bothered me when he was in college because I mistakenly thought it was mostly for show. But he has been too consistant, never wavering a bit. I don't think there is anything at all fake about Tim Tebow.
I expect the Broncos to get beat tomorrow. It will give the naysayers some ammunition, but Tebow will not change a bit. If he never wins another game, football fans will always remember this year.
I hope thousands of young kids want to be just like him rather than Big Ben, Plaxico, Michael Vick, or Sam Hurd.
And what if the Broncos win tomorrow?
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That's easy...Denver will be two miles high!
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- "And what if the Broncos win tomorrow?"
That's easy...Denver will be two miles high!
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quote:I hope thousands of young kids want to be just like him rather than Big Ben, Plaxico, Michael Vick, or Sam Hurd.
+1 to that...and it doesn't matter if the Broncos win or lose.
I just hope that my God - your God - and everyone else's God is watching over the NY Giants today.
quote:I just hope that my God - your God - and everyone else's God is watching over the NY Giants today.
-1....Go Cowboys
Only God knows our heart. Only God truly knows Tim's heart. I will leave it at that. I do believe this. I would much rather have my kid look up to someone like him than many of these other guys on TV.
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
Great verse, but poor application Jimmy. Say what you will about Tebow but hypocrite he is not. He's clear about what he believes in and stands behind it. As for if God cares about homeruns and touchdowns, I tend to think not but the bible does say He cares about things we care about...so who knows. But one thing is clear, He works through all situations...not just when his believers win.
We are all God's children, and certainly He does care about our activities. He's got to be like a parent with one child on one team and one on the other. When that happens to a parent, they want both to do well. That's what I'm saying.
My reference to street preaching.... well that have have been too local a reference - ya gots to see it to believe it... all they talk about is heck fire and darnation.... spittle flying and Bible just a shaking.... I'll take TT over that any day!
That's it, no more faith or religion talk from me!
as Tiny Tim would say, "God bless us everyone!"
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I believe today's Patriots-Broncos game is the national doubleheader today. If you haven't had a chance to see the Broncos play this is a good description of what I thought I was seeing against the Bears last week.
Inside The Matchup: Patriots at Broncos
A more casual analysis
Anybody want to play some football on the beach as a warmup to this afternoon while the tide is out? It's a balmy 22 with a wind chill of 10.
Inside The Matchup: Patriots at Broncos
A more casual analysis
Anybody want to play some football on the beach as a warmup to this afternoon while the tide is out? It's a balmy 22 with a wind chill of 10.
is today theday the bubble bursts?
It would seem logical but here's something to think about. Brady is 1-5 at Denver over his career.quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
is today theday the bubble bursts?
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
is today theday the bubble bursts?
In addition I don't think losing one game will have much impact on what folks think about Tebow especially us Broncos fans.
Remember we started 1-4 with Orton and haven't been to the playoffs in six years. Just a blip even if they get beat even smoked.
Two winnable games makes them 10-6 into the playoffs when they started so poorly. "Tebowmania" will continue regardless.
For those of you watching SportsCenter right now we have found the flaw:
THE MAN CANNOT SING!!!!
THE MAN CANNOT SING!!!!