Tiny Tim in Trouble

Didn't Williams walk away from football a few years ago because he wanted to have the freedom to smoke the stuff? I think he was a self-described 'pothead'...

Every state has different laws regarding possession and amounts. Don't you think Lincecum will face some consequences?

CW -
Yes, he did walk away to smoke weed. Then, once he stopped, he realized "hey I like money more than weed".

Coach,
I was just wondering what people thought of this, I reserve no judgement anymore against what any athlete does with his mind and body. That's his business, only that he does bring embarrasment to his employer and family.
My opinion is and always has been, do what you want to do in the privacy of your own home to avoid getting attention.... and caught.
Yes I think Williams walked away from the game for awhile after being caught, until he realized he owed the Dolphins lots of money.

He played in the Canadian football league. He was a disaster. Turned out to be a big flop. Fans were furious he was allowed to play after the NFL banned him for a year.
You can't compare Tim with Ricky.

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Small posession, Small issue on the west coast, not a habitual user, not in season...this whole thing will likley disappear quickly in the mist of the Northwest. Pleads gulity, pays his fine, aplogizes. does some wonderful community work (?)...comes out smelling like a...weed...er, ah, Rose.

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Observer....I agree small issue...however was he not using while he was driving? That is a bigger issue.

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That's it exactly dad43! There was no mention in the article if the state trooper tried to determine if Lincecum's driving ability was impaired. That seems strange to me. Does being under the influence of marijuana impair your ability to drive safely? If yes, then why wasn't Lincecum tested on the spot?

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Originally posted by dad43:
Observer....I agree small issue...however was he not using while he was driving? That is a bigger issue.

Dad,

Some might say he was using because the 'smelled marijuana' as he approached Tim-Tim's car. There are a couple of issues here...

Unfortunately, the courts have found it very difficult to make a driving under the influence connection between smoking pot and driving. It sounds stupid I know, but it is what it is...

The second issue is that the potency of marijuana is so great now that the scent of the stuff can be smelled from some ways off...particularly when enclosed in a vehicle for a time and the windows are then rolled down...

A good cop will always keep his smeller on to pick up on this stuff...tickets are boring...it's the interesting things the traffic stop has led too that some cops are interested in discovering...

GotWood

74 in a 60 sounds like he was somewhat impaired.

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"..it's the interesting things the traffic stop has led too that some cops are interested in discovering..."

Like maybe an autograph?



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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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Like maybe an autograph?



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You know woody, ya gotta point...however, I gotta ask if the amount of marijuana was not such a big deal then why would this cop bring all this negative publicity on himself?

'Just doing my job sir...'

No different than getting caught drinking underage on a college campus. Except for the fact that he's a public figure.

He got caught. He'll pay the price and move on. Hopefully he'll get it out of his system and not turn into a Ricky Williams.

Coach

I did not know that it was difficult to make a connection with pot and driving under the influence...

Not speaking from persoanl experience ( of course) but I think that being under the influence of pot is just as bad as being drunk when trying to operate a vehicle.

I am sure that I ahve heard of other people being arrsted for driving while impaired.

Just glad he did harm anyone else...I wonder did they just wrtie the ticket and then let him drive on?

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Just glad he did harm anyone else...I wonder did they just wrtie the ticket and then let him drive on?

Sorry meant to say did not harm anyone...fingers are a little slow this morning....I was out with Lincecum last night

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"74 in a 60..."

Convienently under that "15 or more over the limit" that gets you a much heavier fine and more trouble in most jurisdictions.

I've managed to be there a few times and the only thing I was being impaired by was Dwight Yoakam playing on the radio.




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Dad,

I don't know what Washington state does, but in CA it's a ticket and you are free to leave...but, a wise cop would try to discover if he was smoking it and then convince him through the powers of persuasion not to drive...

Disappointed.

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"I was out with Lincecum last night."

You experienced a contact high through second-hand smoke.

If those fingers don't behave or function well in the next half day or so I'd get them checked out.

And until you settle down...STAY AWAY FROM THESE!






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Originally posted by dad43:
Observer....I agree small issue...however was he not using while he was driving? That is a bigger issue.

Not in any way advocating a free pass, and I am incensed that people can drive high and not face any penalty...but From the SF Chronicle today...

"He was placed under arrest. It was determined that he was not impared, he was cited and released at the scene"

Also...

"The amount measured was 3.3 grams. Schatzel said police consider that a small amount for personal use, well below the maximum of 40 grams before possession is classified differently and carries a more severe penalty."

Officer said ""It's not really out of the ordinary. It happens every day,"

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Thanks for the clarification and added information 44.




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As a former police officer for 20 years you can be arrested for DWI for any number of reasons. The law is not DWI by alcohol. Its driving DWI period. If can be pain killers , alcohol , illegal drugs ,etc. If an officer smells alcohol on your breath then he can perform a field sobriety test , look at your driving before you were stopped , beer cans in the car , etc etc and make an arrest based on the totality of the circumstances.

The same process is used with Schedule 6 "Marijuana" as it is used with alcohol. If you are stopped and the officer smells marijuana , he can peform a field sobriety test , look at your driving before the stop , search your car for substances , and arrest you for DWI. In this case it would be for marijuana. You would not be taken downtown for a breathalizer you would be taken to the local hospital for a blood test. You would be arrested and charged based on the totality of the circumstances for DWI marijuana instead of DWI alcohol. A court date is set after the blood test is scheduled to come back. If you are found to have a certain level of THC in your blood at the time the test was taken that would equate to the same thing as having a certain amount of alcohol in your system when you took the breahilizer test.

The typical charge in a case like this if the totality of the circumstances led the officer to find probable cause would be , DWI , misd possession of marijuana , misd poss of drug paraphernalia "rolling papers etc" and speeding.

So yes he could have been charged for DWI and the other charges as well. If the officer smelled it then he could have took it to this level. If he did then maybe Tim passed the field sobriety tests , no oder of it on his breath , walked the line fine etc. We dont know if the officer did or not. But many people are charged for DWI under the influence of illegal drugs , prescribed drugs , etc.

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Thank you for that voice of experience insight Coach.



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Folks --read the press release that TPM linked to---he was not cited for DWI/DUI---as the Stte Patrol Officer stated it is a normal accurrence in that area---nothing out of the ordinary--his fine will be for possession as well as speeding

As for the heavy scent coming from the car perhaps he had a buddy in the car who was smoking before Tim dropped him off

I have to admire those of you who have never "used weed", who know so much much about it and its effects-- I for one , who has a slight case of glaucoma, am waiting for it to be approved for medicinal use in my state

I will bring up the role model issue. Regardless of the legal circumstances, I would not want to have my son think that you can smoke pot and still make it to the majors and even win a Cy Young. Regardless of what anyone wants to think, kids look up to these guys. I can hear it now. "Look at Lincecum, he gets high and is still a beast. What's the big deal if I do it."

I am very disappointed to hear this news.

And yes, I have used it a long time ago. It was not good for me and I really don't want my son using it.

bballman

First of all if you use athletes as models I do not agree with you on that premise

Secondly it was determined that he, Lincecum, was not "high" according to all reports I have seen to date

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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
the only thing I was being impaired by was Dwight Yoakum playing on the radio.

A long time ago, when I was a much younger man, one of my friends broke out some Dwight Yoakum, but I just said no.

I'm with 'justbaseball' and 'bballman'. Disappointed. Disappointed Linc is involved/associated with illegal drugs.

WAG!

Coach,

I appreciate your experience on the subject...as you know the laws are different in different parts of the country. I am also a former San Jose PD officer in California and it is not always as clear cut when it comes to straight marijuana as the sole source of influence on the west coast.

Somehow, there have been cases here where the defense has shown that it is scientifically impossible to determine where marijuana has proved to affect a particular individual to an exact level of impairment. This was primarily because the level of basebline THC in a person's bloodstream has not been proven to the western courts anyway, in any scientific way to equate to measured degree of impairment as it has with alcohol.

I have gotten in a tad bit of trouble with this point when I was a young officer and learned the hard way that if the person I have detained is solely under the influence of pot while driving I cannot arrest them for such...again, I didn't make the rules on this point...I just had to follow the departmental policies and of course, the law.

This was a completely different matter when it came to other drugs including meth or prescription drugs. With meth, I can make an arrest based solely upon my experience and training and have many times.

Given that this is the high school baseball web, and we know that young high school players do read this site...I think its important to not be too casual or dismissive of the seriousness of the possesion charge...whether it happens every day or not.

I personally know at least two very promising young baseball players who were expelled from high school for possesion of the amount similar to Mr. Tim. The punishment was swift and irrevocable and damaged their baseball careers fairly seriously.

Tim is a great pitcher. He screwed up, just as we all do. But possesion of drugs is a serious crime with serious consequences and a difficult-to-remove scarlet letter, most especially for high school kids aspiring to play baseball at higher levels.

Don't do it.

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I'm with 'justbaseball' and 'bballman'. Disappointed. Disappointed Linc is involved/associated with illegal drugs.

Maybe he has cataracts.

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Originally posted by justbaseball:
Given that this is the high school baseball web, and we know that young high school players do read this site...I think its important to not be too casual or dismissive of the seriousness of the possesion charge...whether it happens ever day or not.

I personally know at least two very promising young baseball players who were expelled from high school for possesion of the amount similar to Mr. Tim. The punishment was swift and irrevocable and damaged their baseball careers fairly seriously.

Tim is a great pitcher. He screwed up, just as we all do. But possesion of drugs is a serious crime with serious consequences and a difficult-to-remove scarlet letter, most especially for high school kids aspiring to play baseball at higher levels.

Don't do it.

Amen and great post.

Whether they want to be... Whether or not they should be... These guys are in fact role models to some kids.

I would not be surprised if Tim walks away from this without a fine.
He could have a Prescription, And not want anybody to know about it??
In which case He would be Legal to have it in his possesion.
And that includes California, Oregon, Washington St.

And we may never Know the outcome, Being that it's his Private business.

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Originally posted by justbaseball:
Given that this is the high school baseball web, and we know that young high school players do read this site...I think its important to not be too casual or dismissive of the seriousness of the possesion charge...whether it happens ever day or not.

I personally know at least two very promising young baseball players who were expelled from high school for possesion of the amount similar to Mr. Tim. The punishment was swift and irrevocable and damaged their baseball careers fairly seriously.

Tim is a great pitcher. He screwed up, just as we all do. But possesion of drugs is a serious crime with serious consequences and a difficult-to-remove scarlet letter, most especially for high school kids aspiring to play baseball at higher levels.

Don't do it.

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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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I've managed to be there a few times and the only thing I was being impaired by was Dwight Yoakum playing on the radio.


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Maybe you had a bad choice of song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvMURyWDQn0

I continue to be amazed by our legal system. From the ESPN article:


"Lincecum immediately complied with a request to hand over the drug and a marijuana pipe from the car's center console."

Followed by:

"The 25-year-old All-Star starter entered a plea of not guilty through his attorney...."

Thanks for clearing that up for me Coach. I guess the marijuana around here is assumed to be more potent than the pot on the west coast? lol

First of all we all have to agree that just because you play MLB does not mean you are perfect. The same issues that non baseball players have MLB players have. So this should not surprise anyone and it should not shock anyone.

Where the problem is there are younger kids out there that look up to these players. This sends the wrong message to these younger kids. So its important imo for parents to be the role models in their childrens lives. Its important to teach your children that people make mistakes. And its important to teach them that anyone can make any decision they want to make but they are not free to choose the consequences of those choices.

I always felt it was important for my wife and I to be the role models in our childrens lives. My kids are way too important to me to leave that up to someone else. Even if they can throw lights out.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
bballman

First of all if you use athletes as models I do not agree with you on that premise

Secondly it was determined that he, Lincecum, was not "high" according to all reports I have seen to date

I didn't say I use athletes as role models. I believe that young athletes naturally look up to the guys who have made it to the highest level. Especially if that's where they want to wind up. They look at their swings and try to emulate them. They look at their pitching motions and try to emulate. They play ball thinking "Ok, I am Tim Lincecum pitching the first game of the World Series." That is what they want to be.

I think we all did it as kids. I have seen my son in the cages imitating Gary Sheffield, Craig Counsel, Julio Franco, etc. He doesn't use their stances in games, but knows them and plays around from time to time. It just happens. If we try to say these guys are not naturally role models and the young athletes don't look up to them and aspire to be where they are, we are kidding ourselves.

Once again, I think is a bad thing that kids can look at Mr. Tim and say if he can make it to that level and get high, why can't I - it's no big deal.

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Originally posted by PGStaff:
Whether they want to be... Whether or not they should be... These guys are in fact role models to some kids.

Obviously, I agree with you PG.

I feel the same way about this as I did the Michael Phelps incident. I think they are more similar than Ricky Williams.

Ricky wanted to be Bob Marley.