Tiny Tim in Trouble

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Let's look at this way then...

Decisions have consequences. Sometimes poor decisions have poor consequences.

Sharing examples of poor decisions leading to poor consequences is not an obligation, but is rather a gift really.

Nancy Reagan, from some corners, was ridiculed mightily for espousing the "Just Say No." anti-drug campaign. The truth is that each person is responsible for each of their decisions...and must live with the consequences of those decisions.

Reminders from adults, some of them speaking from direct experience, regarding consequences is a good thing, yet not an obligation.



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I am pretty sure I understand what justbb was saying and I agree with him 100%.
Lincecum might walk away and appear to have escaped any serious consequences.
That is because a legal prosecution is less than precise and of much less importance in the overall societal/criminal issues prosecuted.
Will the Giants and MLB take a strong stand? Of course not, they want him pitching. They want the money.
For those in high school and college, life is different.
Here is a portion of an article from a local high school:
"In response to numerous requests for comment, R D, director of schools, issued a statement on Friday about an incident involving "marijuana-related activity."

"We conducted our own internal investigation and have asked these individuals to leave our school; they are no longer students at XYZ school," Mr. ***xx said."

While there might be a "tolerance in the legal system and MLB/MILB, there isn't in the school system. Aren't those the kids we are talking about and trying to influence and help and guide toward positive outcomes.
If not, why do we have this board?

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I agree with the "Don't do it" part, but in a small way, I disagree with the "only message we want to send" part. Not trying to be a rebel, but also don't want to be told what message to send.

PG - I think that is unfairly taking what I said out of context I thought it was clear the "context" was about the use of marijuana alone by "youngsters." It seemed clear to me the message was directed to youngsters btw and not to "adults" who ought to know what is best for their own particular circumstances.

Free speech is an entirely different matter. Speech is regulated on these boards and it is not because people are taking themselves too seriously imho. I have shut down many threads that have taken cheap-shots at your organization for example. Other threads like political or religious topics are generally regulated here. When it comes to open debates about what might or might not be appropriate behavior for youngsters, I think we do have a "collective" obligation to send the right messages - that is my opinon however and not an edict.

Some adults feel it is ok to party with their kids for example. McKenzie Phillips is a famous example who did drugs with her father. There might be people who feel that way who also post on these boards. It's a free country but I don't think we ought to entertain that type of laisse-faire attitude about drugs or alcohol

Finally, my post in the end was my opinion and it was generated to support justbb's opinion. I have not told anyone in this thread what they need to think or say. For the record, my OPINION is "Don't do it" To be CLEAR, that message is intended for youngsters.

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Originally posted by infielddad:
I am pretty sure I understand what justbb was saying and I agree with him 100%.
Lincecum might walk away and appear to have escaped any serious consequences.
That is because a legal prosecution is less than precise and of much less importance in the overall societal/criminal issues prosecuted.
Will the Giants and MLB take a strong stand? Of course not, they want him pitching. They want the money.
For those in high school and college, life is different.
Here is a portion of an article from a local high school:
"In response to numerous requests for comment, R D, director of schools, issued a statement on Friday about an incident involving "marijuana-related activity."

"We conducted our own internal investigation and have asked these individuals to leave our school; they are no longer students at XYZ school," Mr. ***xx said."

While there might be a "tolerance in the legal system and MLB/MILB, there isn't in the school system. Aren't those the kids we are talking about and trying to influence and help and guide toward positive outcomes.
If not, why do we have this board?

I figure you always tell your kids...you're not like the others...not like the pros...you will get caught...you will pay a huge price...no one has ever made it easy for you...no one else has ever taken care of your mistakes...and I promise you they won't suddenly start now....don't even risk it...

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PG,
That's ok to disagree, it may be that I feel that way, you don't have to if you choose that. As stated what I said is not an edict, that's just how I feel, regardless of my personal opinion regarding drug or alcohol use. I am an adult, my life more than hlaf over, for some, life is just beginning.

I have to go along with what was said by JBB and others, I feel that a large purpose of this board is to guide others to help make good decisions, about a lot of stuff, not just about drugs or alcohol. The reader can take what they want from my opinions, yours, or anyone else that posts.

We, as parents did a lot of things to help our kids get to where they are, I think the emphasis on, "don't do it", was ,ost likely the most important and helped them to think twice about consequences that could follow them for the rest of their lives.

IMO, kids are kids, they are not adults, so the rules are different. I have seen too many really well intentioned kids get in trouble, and their hopes and dreams come to an end, this may not be true for the ones that are truely talented, who might be able to get away with stuff, though Matt Bush comes to mind, he kind of dug himself a large hole for himself don't you think?

Tim made a mistake, he will be forgiven and move on because of who he is and what he does, that rule doesn't always apply to everyone, especially young adults who haven't arrived.

I have 4 children. None of them are perfect, they all have made and continue to make mistakes. In fact, I make mistakes too. More routinely than I would like.

I think this kid made a mistake, a public one. And, he will pay for it.

Until I'm perfect, I wont ask Tim to be either.

On a lighter note, didnt anyone ever tell Tim never to break two laws at the same time? Smoking pot and speeding.... for a self described detail freak, that was a big slip.

If getting caught speeding brought more consequences (other than getting yourself killed or seriously hurt), mine wouldn't have made it to college.

Getting too many tickets and possibly losing your license and going to traffic school is less of a consequence than losing your life. Same with drinking and driving, it wasn't about getting a DUI, but losing your life. That is what is important, not that you might not get to pro ball. While some of us may say, don't do it, I think it's undertood that more can happen to one than losing his college scholarship. So for that I feel obligated that young adults should fully understand the consequences of their actions.

JMO, but driving while under the influence of anything (even using cell phones) causes impairment.

We are not talking about marijuana use by youngsters. Tim Lincecum is an adult and it is most likely all adults that have posted on this subject so far.

Do you really believe some good kid is going to come on here, read something laissez faire that we wrote, and instantly go out and score some pot? Ridiculous.. it is insulting to their intelligence. They also are bright enough to know hypocracy when they see it. I think we have all raised our children to think critically and make sound decisions for themselves. I know mine have.

Tim Lincecum smoked some pot and drove too fast. Yes, really a dumb choice but there are far more serious sins in the world and far worse mistakes made by our athletes.

Like drinking while driving. As opposed to marijuana, alcohol impairs motor control which is why you hear about alchohol-related crashes but rarely marijuana-related crashes.

I'm with PG. We have NO obligation to "group-thinking". In fact, "group-thinking" has made the laws which we now apply to condemn these athletes. It is 100% OK to ask "why"?

TPM and playfair-

What mistake did Tim make.
Was it the speeding?
Was it having pot in the car?
Was it getting caught?

They all are against the law (whether he's charged or not) and if it was a one time incident maybe a mistake. But I would be willing to bet that he has smoked pot in his car more than once and if that's the case, it's not a mistake.

No one knows for sure but Tim, so.....just an opinion.

playfair,
You are right, he knew exactly what he was doing and I am sure it wasn't the first time, first time getting caught though. Regardless, I agree, he broke the law.

Bum,
I think perhaps you should go back to read JBB's second post.

Don't assume every young player here was raised the way you have raised your children. How do you know whose reading and who isn't?

You have no obligation to any type of group thinking here.

TPM, I didn't raise my kids perfectly.. nor did I raise them to be perfect. Both are impossible. I raised them to make sound decisions for themselves.

That was not my point. My point was we're talking about an adult, Tim Lincecum.

As for any youth out there thinking about trying marijuana, I will give you some solid advise: Trust me, you want to be better than your parents.

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Originally posted by bballman:
I will bring up the role model issue. Regardless of the legal circumstances, I would not want to have my son think that you can smoke pot and still make it to the majors and even win a Cy Young. Regardless of what anyone wants to think, kids look up to these guys. I can hear it now. "Look at Lincecum, he gets high and is still a beast. What's the big deal if I do it."

I am very disappointed to hear this news.

And yes, I have used it a long time ago. It was not good for me and I really don't want my son using it.

Bum,
I think this is what caused more discussion about our youth reading.
Whether we like it or not, he is a model for many kids nowadays (didn't use the word "role"), just recently I read a post somewhere the player was comparing his mechanics to Lincecum. If athletes are not considered models, why do companies use them to endorse their products?

As far as impairment, everyone is different, I can have one glass of wine and be impaired the next person can drink a whole bottle and not be. Who are we to determine if he was or wasn't imparied. I think with he was, perhaps the reason he was pulled over for speeding?

Don't take this personally, although there are many here who state they don't expect their son's to be perfect, there's a whole bunch of bandwidth here from folks asking how their kids can be. Perhaps the perfection we expect them to have in the game, imposes pressures when they don't perform, which causes them to take risks they know they shouldn't.
I can tell you a very sad story I saw happen this year. Just an observation.

in my opinion these types of discusions need to happen more often. they can help more than you realize.......but thats just my opinion.

i would doubt very much that tim was smoking dope, if he was doing 20 mph on the pike.......then maybe.

For the record. I HATE MARIJUANA.

Kids read this:

Marijuana is a gateway drug. Using marijuana will unfortunately, most of the time, lead to use of other drugs. That has been proven. I could not be more against the recreational use of marijuana. It is addictive and just as hard to kick as cigarettes and 2x as bad for you as there is no filter in the smoking process. Pesticides are uncontrolled in the growing of it. People are murdered in the selling of it. Users mouthes age to prematurely because of it, their teeth permanently yellow, their fingers stain, they stink. It is a long ugly horrible habit and there is nothing fun or funny about it. Get busted after using it and you will need to write it down on every job application. (Good luck getting that job!)

With that said....
Athletes are not role models... Pieces of athletes are role models.

The media needs to stop citing the whole athlete as a role model and start getting behind the fact that what they do is the role model. A specific thing... Not all encompasing.

For now Tim Lincecum is a pitching role model. That is it.

If he keeps up the pot habit we will watch his life swirl the drain faster than a ball leaves a park.

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Originally posted by playfair:
For the record. I HATE MARIJUANA.

Kids read this:

Marijuana is a gateway drug.

You are very correct PF. During my years as a police officer I never, ever, not even once ever saw someone start off using drugs without smoking pot first...I'm sure it has happened somewhere, but I personally ever saw it. Because I was curious and would often speak to kids about drugs, I would ask every meth, herion and cocaine user what was the first drug they used and on every single occasion that I can remember it was marijuana...

It is most certainly a GATEWAY DRUG among drug addicts. I am not saying this to attempt to scare anyone, but stating the truth as I witnessed it firsthand...take it for what it's worth...

Smoking pot is not worth a lifetime of regret and sorrow over what could have been...

So when will the same attitude towards alcohol start to come about? Is there another drug in the history of the world that has caused more pain , death , heart break , the list is too long to even try.

But what do we see almost every commercial break of a sporting event on TV? What is sold at every pro sporting event? Why is drinking beer treated like a national past time for sports watchers?

There is no bigger gateway drug than alcohol. Can we even begin to talk about the issues people have gotten themselves into because of drinking alcohol? Or the people that have been killed by people drinking and driving?

Just throwing these thoughts out there for discussion if anyone is interested. By the way I am against the use of all illegal drugs. And the abuse of those that are legal.

I did the same thing coach. And I never talked to anyone that had ever used drugs that said they had never used alcohol. In many cases they were drinking and someone offered and they accepted. People do crazy things and try crazy things when they have had a few drinks dont they?

I am not saying everyone who drinks turns into a pot user. Just like everyone who uses does not turn into a meth or coke user. And there are many people who can drink without becoming an alcoholic. But I think its very hard to say dont when you do. And when their is such a gray area between the two in our society try telling a kid dont do pot while your holding your drug of choice in your hand or its in your frig.

In my dads day the drug of choice was shine. Several folks had their own stil. I can have my Jim Beam , You can have your shine , but you better stay off that weed boy! Many will say "But Pot is illegal. And then many will say "Whats the difference in Pot and getting hammered and acting like a da m fool?"

I agree Coach, but the difference is, at least on the surface, is that alcohol is legal for those over the age of 21 to consume.

But, I will agree and it is rather obvious, alcohol is the most widely abused intoxicant in the world. So, just because something is legal does not mean it is without consequences for misuse...just as it is with tobacco products and anything else under the sun that can be used to harm oneself and others...

My point was with the marijuana as a gateway drug is that every drug addict I had come into contact with and I would ask, said they started abusing marijuana first...though it may have been preceded with sneaking dad's Jack Daniels whiskey out of the house, marijuana was the first illegal drug of choice...

Before I get jumped I am just throwing out these thoughts for discussion. I have already stated I am against the use of any illegal drug. And I am against the abuse of those that are legal.

Yes Coach the first illegal drug of choice is almost always pot. But the first abuse of a legal drug is almost always alcohol. But in the case of a person not of age to use it alcohol would be considered an illegal drug. And I can not imagine a kid smoking weed who has not first tried alcohol before legal age. But I am sure there are exceptions.

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Originally posted by playfair:
For the record. I HATE MARIJUANA.

Kids read this:

Marijuana is a gateway drug. Using marijuana will unfortunately, most of the time, lead to use of other drugs. That has been proven. I could not be more against the recreational use of marijuana. It is addictive and just as hard to kick as cigarettes and 2x as bad for you as there is no filter in the smoking process. Pesticides are uncontrolled in the growing of it. People are murdered in the selling of it. Users mouthes age to prematurely because of it, their teeth permanently yellow, their fingers stain, they stink. It is a long ugly horrible habit and there is nothing fun or funny about it. Get busted after using it and you will need to write it down on every job application. (Good luck getting that job!)

With that said....
Athletes are not role models... Pieces of athletes are role models.

The media needs to stop citing the whole athlete as a role model and start getting behind the fact that what they do is the role model. A specific thing... Not all encompasing.

For now Tim Lincecum is a pitching role model. That is it.

If he keeps up the pot habit we will watch his life swirl the drain faster than a ball leaves a park.

I have to disagree that marijuana is a gateway drug. I understand everyone's point that marijuana can lead to other drugs. However, I believe that the person is more responsible for taking other drugs besides marijuana. I believe a person who does marijuana is more inclined to try other things because of his openness to try drugs. I do not think that doing marijuana will cause people to try and "move up" to something more harsh.

Also, marijuana is no where close to being as addictive as cigarettes. Although it has been shown that marijuana can be addictive, there is absolutely no evidence to show that marijuana is more addicting than cigarettes.

If Tim Lincecum keeps smoking pot his life will not be destroyed. Bill Walton smoked pot in college to calm his nerves and nothing bad ever happened to him. I think it is a mistake to believe that people's lives will be ruined because you do not agree with their choices. I understand it is illegal but if you have been paying attention the legalization of marijuana has been gaining ground, and now in many states marijuana possession has become similar to a traffic ticket.

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Originally posted by TPM:

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Originally posted by njbb:
I just heard that MLB players are not tested for pot

That most likely could be very true. However, I know some milb guys who thought they didn't test minor leaguers for pot, and got 50 game suspension upon returning to camp in spring.

The MiLB guys are tested for pot ..and every thing else

That's the truth Coach...my daddy was the biggest boozer around and would tell me the same thing about pot...even as a kid I would ask him what the difference was cause he seemed to have pretty much screwed his life up with alcohol...

It's a quandary Coach that is not easy to reconcile with our youth...but, I think we need to share with them that alcohol can screw your life up as bad as drugs and your life is more valuable than that stuff...the sorrow and pain of letting their life be consumed by the bottle or the weed will destroy them.

Trying to convey this point on youth is often difficult because of their lack of perspective...a perspective learned by living life and seeing others destroyed by reckless behavior. Unfortunately, they or someone they know will surely be caught up in this reckless behavior and sometimes...it can end badly...we have read about several of those examples from the posters on this topic...and I'm sure we can all point to examples in our personal lives...

Your point is well taken CM, and the mixed signals in society about drugs and alcohol go on and on...we must somehow convey to our kids so that they understand their life is much more valuable than drugs or alcohol and they too can be consumed if they tangle with the beast...no scare tactics needed...the truth will suffice

JP,

I don't believe anyone is suggesting marijuana causes a person to move up the illegal drug ladder...but, what it most certainly is, is a drug that precedes stronger drug usage...

So, let me get this straight...since Bill Walton smoked pot to calm his nerves are you saying that kids should do the same?...just asking, cause that's what it's sounding like to me...

Nice post coach.

In many cases what it does is put you in the circles that will open you up to be confronted with those that do other drugs. Where are you going to get it? Who do you have to get to know in order to get it? Who do they know? Who do they associate with? Its not very long before you are associating with a wide variety of individuals that engage in a wide variety of activities. You enter the drug scene and it opens up a brand new world to you with a whole new cast of characters.

The drug itself might not cause you to move up the ladder. The folks that you will now be associating with will in many cases broaden your horizons so to speak. So yes in many cases it starts out with a little pot and moves on to trying something else. And sometimes trying something else may not only be related to illegal drugs. Breaking in cars to get money for weed. Breaking into coin operated machines. Sneaking a few bucks out of moms purse. Selling some for some.

Its just not a good situation to say the least. Stay away from drugs. They will ruin your life. They will cause those that love you so much pain.

This is a great discussion.

When we are talking about addicts and how they got their start, I am willing to go out on a limb here and say that in many cases they were probably going to become addicts no matter what they started with. I believe that becoming an addict to any number of things is in your genetic makeup some way.
I do think that some rely on drugs to self medicate because of pain in their lives, emotional or physical and at some point the user will seek out stronger drugs to supress their pain.

That being said, I think what the youth today should be considering whether or not they have that genetic makeup that will lead them down the road to possible addiciton..."Am I the one?" You never know until it is too late. I had this discussion with my boys when they were starting high school (could have come a lot earlier I guess). One of their great uncles had died of heart failure AT A BAR.
He was an alcoholic and a heavy smoker. Had been an athlete in his younger years. He had two other brothers neither of whom became alcohol "addicts", they were raised the same in a loving two parent household, had success in their athletic endevours, raised families. Why did one of the three brothers end up having alcohol take hold of him like that, and not the others? So, I talked about this to my boys and let them know that there had been some history of this in the family, and they should be on notice that it could happen to them.

I never noticed the advertising of alcohol so much...then I had a child and my child was very interested in sports.
We began watching baseball, football, basketball, and I saw the ads much differently when I had a two year old on my lap.
The pairing of sports and alcohol was suddenly so obvious to me...if you are going to watch sports, play sports, or talk about sports, according to the advetisers, you will have a drink, or you just won't be having fun. The message is sent very early - even a 2 year old can figure it out. Just putting it out there for thought.

As for Tim, I agree, he is an athletic model, not a role model.

Drug usage and addiction are two wholly different issues (although alcohol is just a liquid drug and is truly the same).

Most drug usage, by numbers of people doing it, is not done by addicts, by a vast margin. Most addicts are functional, and because of this are not usually the ones involved in "stupid" events, with the exception of the very advanced addict.

The casual user (drug or alcohol) is the one at greatest risk. He is not practiced at functioning while under the influence, and because of this lacks reasonable judgment. This is the person that doesn't know how to cover his tracks, and does something stupid and either causes harm or gets himself caught.

I've always told my kids, that looking back, I can't think of one thing that ever occurred with a positive outcome because of alcohol. I can however, trace a great many number of things that went poorly, where alcohol was an influence.

An addict is going to become an addict, you can't get in front of that train and expect abstinence to be a cure. Addicts don't use because they love the drug, they use because the drug takes away the way their personal demons make them feel about themselves. That's why it's an escalating disease, an addict always needs more to mask the internal pain that constantly resurfaces.

My view is that is is very sad when I see a millionaire athlete needing drugs to feel good.
Most adolescent kids get involved with weed to fit in with their peers. When the weed doesn't provide the effect they need they can go on to other stuff like crack.
My kids were not allowed to attend parties until senior year in HS. By then they were dead against drugs and alcohol. My wife and I used to go to bars etc and really enjoyed dancing and drinking. When we decided to have a family we stopped drinking totally. Neither of of smoke either. Having been around alcoholics and drug addicts I have seen what it can do. We took every opportunity to point out guys who we knew that had sunken to great lows.
I also had Friends who had their lives destroyed by drinking and driving or doing stupid mistakes while drunk. 2 of my friends are quads due to mistakes. One I had said hello to in a parking lot as he headed to a party. 3 hours latter he was a quad fighting for his life.
Our kids got the message. My oldest daughter just split with her husband who is an alcoholic and refused to get help. He was caught drinking while caring for their 2 toddlers. He also fell down their stairs and broke their son's leg.
I also have a brother who's son is 35. The nicest kid you would ever meet. He became a drunk years ago and graduated to the hard drugs including heroine. He steals from his parents to feed his habit and his mother used to give him money when he pleaded with her. He has been beat up a few times to where he almost died. He has been in and out of prison for years.My brother adopted his little girl to get her away from her drug addict parents. There have been times when drug dealers have come to his house looking for his son and I have feared for his life several times.
My kids hear all the sordid details.

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Originally posted by CPLZ:

Most drug usage, by numbers of people doing it, is not done by addicts, by a vast margin. Most addicts are functional, and because of this are not usually the ones involved in "stupid" events, with the exception of the very advanced addict.

The casual user (drug or alcohol) is the one at greatest risk. He is not practiced at functioning while under the influence, and because of this lacks reasonable judgment. This is the person that doesn't know how to cover his tracks, and does something stupid and either causes harm or gets himself caught.

I agree with the above. I do beleive my cousin is a pretty bad alcoholic, lawyer too, you wouldn't know, he functions pretty well when under the influence.
I also agree with CM, we all know the story of Josh Hamilton, perfect example, perhaps once a casual user, he got caught up with the wrong people.
A few weeks ago I went to a tailgate, I truely couldn't beleive how drunk most of the kids were, it was pretty disgusting. The police were there checking ID's so most were of legal age. Out of control. I am still wondering if they all got home ok.
In the past several years I have met many people my age suffering from liver cancer, they all admit the abused alcohol for years. Mu husband and I have lost some peole we went to HS and college with due to drug overdose.

But just because Lincecum is a pothead doesn't mean he will graduate to the harder stuff. Most likely he feels a lot of pressure in his life due to expectations, so I am not surprised.

As good as he is, I will from this week forward look at him in a different way wondering if it is Tim pitching straight or Tim pitching after using pot. Most people won't care, but it does make you wonder. Besides being small and getting the job done, he will now have something else to live through. I guess about the same way some look at AROD, does he do what he does clean or is he on steroids. I guess this is the problem when you get caught, the perception changes, even if you never do it again.

TPM, fair enough.. but do you look at the players with a wad of chewing tobacco -- a known stimulant -- dripping from their mouths? Or who had a few beers the night before (God forbid the day of the game)? Or who pounded down a few Red Bulls?

Unlike Red Bull or tobacco, marijuana is not a performance-enhancer.

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Originally posted by Bum:
TPM, fair enough.. but do you look at the players with a wad of chewing tobacco -- a known stimulant -- dripping from their mouths? Or who had a few beers the night before (God forbid the day of the game)? Or who pounded down a few Red Bulls?

Unlike Red Bull or tobacco, marijuana is not a performance-enhancer.

I hate that wad in their mouth. I know in sons organization for milb players, you cannot have chew or dip in your mouth during a game. No red bulls either. And most players visit the bars after the game not before. BTW, this is a serious issue that many teams face, too much drinking after the games.

The above ares legal substance so I don't see why in the discussion. I was just pointing out the stigma that goes when you get caught doing something you shouldn't, whether you ever do it again or not.

Bum - I don't think this thread is really about Tim Lincecum.

For Tim, I doubt he will be fined more than $100.00 for the transgression. The harm to him is getting his name in the paper. That will do irreperable harm. Most importantly, his reputation has been harmed. There will be endorsements that will no longer come his way. He'll likely also be suspended under the MLB drug policy. I'll rely on 3FG to set me straight on that one however.

I've made more mistakes than I can count. That does not disqualify me from letting our younger members know that in my humble "opinion," that there is simply too much to lose.

With any vice, who knows what will send you over the deep end, either physically or physologically, that's whats so scary about it. You read about the 100 year old who's smoked and chewed all his life and is still going and for every one of those guys you have a 25 year old getting his jaw cut out from a habit he may have started in HS. The kid with ADD can live on amphetamines and thrive while your average kid may experiment once and may become so hooked he's sells everything, including his soul to keep the ride going.

Booze, drugs, maybe it *** or gambling.... Pick your poision who knows what will comsume you.

TPM

where does it say Linsecum is a "pothead"????

was not charged with using

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Booze, drugs, maybe it *** or gambling.... Pick your poision who knows what will comsume you.

I'm addicted to the HSBBW,
I'm Doomed??

What if Tim does have a Prescription for let's say an Anxiety disorder.
Who are we to judge.
And it would be none of are business if he did.

It would be Legal for him period.

EH

You are right TRhit- In the politically correct world we now live in, which by the way causes us many problems, it is not right to call Tim a "pothead", but having said that, it would be a little naive to think this is the first time that he has ever smoked the stuff, and in some folks eyes, if he has done it more than once or twice, he is considered a "pothead".

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Originally posted by theEH:

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Booze, drugs, maybe it *** or gambling.... Pick your poision who knows what will comsume you.

I'm addicted to the HSBBW,
I'm Doomed??

What if Tim does have a Prescription for let's say an Anxiety disorder.
Who are we to judge.
And it would be none of are business if he did.

It would be Legal for him period.

EH

Now there's a sretch.

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I am against the use of any illegal drug. And I am against the abuse of those that are legal.

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Good point there. I am curious though that as parents how many of us dont think that underage drinking is less of a law breaker than smoking weed? Just curious because we have had that discussion on here plenty and most people figured their kids would try alcohol at college before they turned 21.
There have been several threads about undergae drinking on here, so I am just curious to what you all think.

Not really a stretch in California.
They prescribe it here for a hang nail, only kidding?
but it is prescribed for many reason's.
There are many open dispensarys if you have a prescription.

Would you want anybody to know what you are taking for your health??
Or is it your own business?

EH