Great post Justbaseballl...as always.
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Great post Justbaseballl...as always.
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Great post Justbaseballl...as always.
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Where did it say he was HIGH !!!!!
quote:Originally posted by justbaseball:
Given that this is the high school baseball web, and we know that young high school players do read this site...I think its important to not be too casual or dismissive of the seriousness of the possesion charge...whether it happens every day or not.
I personally know at least two very promising young baseball players who were expelled from high school for possesion of the amount similar to Mr. Tim. The punishment was swift and irrevocable and damaged their baseball careers fairly seriously.
Tim is a great pitcher. He screwed up, just as we all do. But possesion of drugs is a serious crime with serious consequences and a difficult-to-remove scarlet letter, most especially for high school kids aspiring to play baseball at higher levels.
Don't do it.
Great post.
quote:Originally posted by biggerpapi:
I continue to be amazed by our legal system. From the ESPN article:
"Lincecum immediately complied with a request to hand over the drug and a marijuana pipe from the car's center console."
Followed by:
"The 25-year-old All-Star starter entered a plea of not guilty through his attorney...."
Just a thought... maybe he isn't. I happen to know a lovely young girl who was stopped at the Canadian border years ago with her friends and the officers found "contraband " in the vehicle, turns out it was one of the girl's parents... my wife and her friends still get a laugh(now). Not saying this is the case but do any of the "HSBBW jury" really know?
I think there is some real issues with the whole Marijuana laws right now.1. As Thrit said he is waiting for medical weed to be implemented in his state, it already is here in Ca.You would be amazed at how many people can smoke it legally.I have several health issues and could easily get it for medical purposes.
So I think the lines are becoming blurred,yes it is against the law : unless you have a health issue.Doctors are writing presritions for anyone who claims to have chroninc headaches to whatever ailments they prescribe it for.In Ca. it really is a joke.
But as TPM said, dont be driving with it, under the influence when driving.Even if you have a medical clearance to smoke it, doesnt give you rights to drive under the influence.
So I think the lines are becoming blurred,yes it is against the law : unless you have a health issue.Doctors are writing presritions for anyone who claims to have chroninc headaches to whatever ailments they prescribe it for.In Ca. it really is a joke.
But as TPM said, dont be driving with it, under the influence when driving.Even if you have a medical clearance to smoke it, doesnt give you rights to drive under the influence.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
Where did it say he was HIGH !!!!!
Didn't say anywhere he was high. There is however an implicit assumption that if he got caught with pot in his possession, that if he was not high at the time, he does get high at some point.
I know innocent until proven guilty - but the implication is there.
Regardless of peoples feelings about smoking pot and how legal it is or isn't, I don't want my kid doing it. I don't believe it is a good thing to do and the example Lincecum set forth is not a good one in my mind.
Hate to bring such a cliched topic up but as long as he wasn't under the influence while driving (and it seems that he wasn't) I don't see anything wrong with the guy smoking a little in the off-season, besides breaking a law that remains questionable.
Athletes should be allowed to live a little...I disagree with them being used as role models at all anyways, besides strictly for their athletic dedication and ability.
Athletes should be allowed to live a little...I disagree with them being used as role models at all anyways, besides strictly for their athletic dedication and ability.
What are the medical reasons for legally smoking marijuana. Is it possible that a very successful Major League Pitcher would have any of those conditions?
I don't care if they legalize marijuana or not. Maybe they should! But so far they haven't!
We need to understand that Steroids and HGH are also prescribed for certain conditions. Illegal otherwise!
PED's - Could marijuana somehow be considered a performance enhancer? Being relaxed when others are stressed out kind of thing! Getting more sleep than the competition!
I don't care if they legalize marijuana or not. Maybe they should! But so far they haven't!
We need to understand that Steroids and HGH are also prescribed for certain conditions. Illegal otherwise!
PED's - Could marijuana somehow be considered a performance enhancer? Being relaxed when others are stressed out kind of thing! Getting more sleep than the competition!
An officer approached Lincecum's 2006 Mercedes and smelled marijuana as the pitcher rolled down his window. Schatzel said Lincecum immediately complied with a request to hand over the drug and a marijuana pipe from the car's center console.
This shows that Lincicum had been smoking in the car...and unless he wasn't inhaling, he was high.
Even in a court, the burden is, beyond a reasonable doubt, not absolute proof. Most would agree, this meets that burden.
This shows that Lincicum had been smoking in the car...and unless he wasn't inhaling, he was high.
Even in a court, the burden is, beyond a reasonable doubt, not absolute proof. Most would agree, this meets that burden.
Good point PG. I would say some of those on here minimizing this incident are the same ones blasting players for the steriod issue - including those players who used them prior to them being a banned substance by MLB. If Tim tested positive for marijuana by the league rather than being arrested or ticketed for it by the police, he would be suspended by MLB. Would you all be saying that it was OK then? MLB should give him a break because marijuana is almost legal?
He was in possession of an illegal substance - period. He should accept the consequences. I do not want my son to follow his example in this regard or be able to use the excuse that "If it's OK for Lincecum to do it, it's OK for me." Do you want your sons to be smoking or in possession of pot? Do you want your sons to have to put an explanation on their college application about their arrest for possession of an illegal substance? Do you want to have to explain to a college recruiter that smoking or possessing pot is really not that bad, so please overlook this indiscretion? I don't.
He was in possession of an illegal substance - period. He should accept the consequences. I do not want my son to follow his example in this regard or be able to use the excuse that "If it's OK for Lincecum to do it, it's OK for me." Do you want your sons to be smoking or in possession of pot? Do you want your sons to have to put an explanation on their college application about their arrest for possession of an illegal substance? Do you want to have to explain to a college recruiter that smoking or possessing pot is really not that bad, so please overlook this indiscretion? I don't.
PG they have legalized weed here for extreme pain situations. Licensed growers can sell to approved patients legally. Apparently there are diseases and things like cancer that weed is the most effective pain reliever.
I am sure Tim would not qualfy.
I am sure Tim would not qualfy.
Maybe he has Glaucoma!
I know a young adult person here in California that has approval for medical use of marijuana in order to treat an underweight condition.
I also know one who is healty as a horse, but has wangled approval anyway.
I also know one who is healty as a horse, but has wangled approval anyway.
Tuesday MLB was in my home having son pee in a cup..... How about Tim ? no surprise test by MLB???
quote:Originally posted by njbb:
Tuesday MLB was in my home having son pee in a cup..... How about Tim ? no surprise test by MLB???
I would suspect they may be giving Timmy a little visit as well...there's probably something about 'reasonable suspicion' about drug use in the player's contract...don't know....just a guess...
If there is going to be punishment, then it should fit the crime imho. If he does test positive, he should not be given a 50 game suspension like Manny Ramirez received. That is just my gut-feel opinion.
Didn't Manny take drugs for female problems 
vs possible eye trouble?
quote:Originally posted by CPLZ:
An officer approached Lincecum's 2006 Mercedes and smelled marijuana as the pitcher rolled down his window. Schatzel said Lincecum immediately complied with a request to hand over the drug and a marijuana pipe from the car's center console.
This shows that Lincicum had been smoking in the car...and unless he wasn't inhaling, he was high.
Actually, it doesn't necessarily show that. As a teacher, I have come across lockers that reek of pot purely from the pot. Even small amounts of some the strong stuff kids have access to today can fill a classroom with stink.
Before we tar and feather the man, let's let the legal system and MLB security do their thing.
As far as Ricky Williams, I believe he had a number of offenses before the hammer came down.
quote:Originally posted by justbaseball:
Don't do it.
Definately, absolutely and positively not worth it guys...these things can ruin your opportunities as JPBB laid out with two examples. You have to show restraint and walk away if you are in a situation where others have pot...it's your future and not anyone else's.
Life is full of second chances, but colleges and MLB show little tolerance for up and coming baseball kids who are doppers...it'll be no-way and no-how...on to the next clean and sober kid...
It's your future...think about it...
quote:Good point PG. I would say some of those on here minimizing this incident are the same ones blasting players for the steriod issue
Nobody is minimizing it.But trying to make the point that it is prescribed alot now by doctors.And PG , for many reasons.Just about anyone could come up with a reason to get it in California.
And really, I dont put weed in the same category as shooting steroids into your butt.
Maybe this guy can help him out!
(This story reminds me of another young athlete we were discussing a few months ago...Phelps)
(This story reminds me of another young athlete we were discussing a few months ago...Phelps)
Tip toe through the tulips,
Tip toe through the tulips with me.
Tip toe through the tulips with me.
quote:Originally posted by justbaseball:
But possesion of drugs is a serious crime
Possession of marijuana in small amounts in most counties of Western Washington is not a serious crime. It is a misdemeanor ticket just like having an open can of beer but not being drunk.
I just don't equate this "crime" with anything even close to PED's and hard drugs. Lincey puffed the magic dragon.. as have a lot of fine people.
NJBB- COOL! I think that this is something we can all agree on- would love someday for my son to pee in a cup for MLB. 
Not saying it is right, some past Presidents had the control of not inhaling!
quote:Possession of marijuana in small amounts in most counties of Western Washington is not a serious crime.
For a high school player aspiring to play baseball beyond HS...in the eyes of a college coach...a serious crime.
quote:Lincey puffed the magic dragon...
I know a fine young man using just this phrase, "puff the magic dragon," to describe its use. And he has already done plenty of damage to his chances to play beyond HS.
Don't to it!
To send any other message to young readers of this website?...wreckless.
quote:Originally posted by CaBB:
NJBB- COOL! I think that this is something we can all agree on- would love someday for my son to pee in a cup for MLB.
FYI this is not cool...in the off season. Milb players have to be subject to year round testing, MLB players do not. When you leave after season you MUST tell the organization where you will be living and if you do leave that area, you must call in to tell them you will be going out of town and where and where you will be living, even for vacation. If they show up and you are not there (have left town without reporting), it could be considered a negative test. These are the rules explained to you and you better not misunderstand them or the implications of missing can work against you. This goes to show how the MLB union protects their players but not those that will fill their shoes someday.
As far as using the comparison of Ricky, I don't get it, the man suspended for a YEAR for a recreational drug, yet dog killers and those DUI killing someone get back in the game quicker.
This is what disappoints me.
Last year we blasted Michael Phelps for poor judgement, he got caught on camara, next thing you know they were thinking of prosecuting him. Sponsors thinking of dropping him. What you do on your own time is your business, but I stand by my statement, high profile athletes, stay home, keep your doors locked and let loose if you want to, why subject yourself to the consequences.
My understanding is the organization will most likely offer counseling (or demand it) or a 12 step program. Regardless of whether it was just a misd or not, marijuana is a banned substance according to MLB.
I wouldn't be too shocked by this, he is most likely not the first or last professional athlete to let loose in their off season.
He just got caught, which makes him look stupid if anything.
A phenom and a Cy Young Award winner, I am sure there are many young players who looked up to him, so IMO, he's not a good role model.
Yep, not so cool under those circumstances.
That's a good comparison with Michael Phelps. I'm sure there will be fall out for Lincecum.
That's a good comparison with Michael Phelps. I'm sure there will be fall out for Lincecum.
Possession charges already dropped for the first time offender, will pay speeding fine.
Hey Just, no one is advocating smoking marijuana. Certainly not me. But neither would I condemn anyone who chooses to do so. It is just not that important, in my book.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
What are the medical reasons for legally smoking marijuana. Is it possible that a very successful Major League Pitcher would have any of those conditions?
I don't care if they legalize marijuana or not. Maybe they should! But so far they haven't!
We need to understand that Steroids and HGH are also prescribed for certain conditions. Illegal otherwise!
PED's - Could marijuana somehow be considered a performance enhancer? Being relaxed when others are stressed out kind of thing! Getting more sleep than the competition!
A good workout will have you sleeping like a baby. Getting high and partying with the ladies will have you winding up with babies. I think it is a stupid choice, a waste of time and such, but on the level of PED's or a competitive advantage? No, don't think so.
Bum,
Just a weak attempt at humor. I doubt if being stoned would actually enhance athletic performance. However, we could get a different opinion if we were talking about musicians.
I do remember years ago that marijuana was considered a very serious drug. It's odd how things change over time.
If I read it correctly, I find it strange that being stoned is not a driving violation in some states. Seems that someone spacing out or falling asleep on the highway is extremely dangerous.
I think JB has it right. Using any kind of drug will be frowned upon by Professional or College decision makers.
Just a weak attempt at humor. I doubt if being stoned would actually enhance athletic performance. However, we could get a different opinion if we were talking about musicians.
I do remember years ago that marijuana was considered a very serious drug. It's odd how things change over time.
If I read it correctly, I find it strange that being stoned is not a driving violation in some states. Seems that someone spacing out or falling asleep on the highway is extremely dangerous.
I think JB has it right. Using any kind of drug will be frowned upon by Professional or College decision makers.
I just heard that MLB players are not tested for pot
I agree with justbb's opinion on this subject.
This is a serious matter for young players where serious consequences are involved. My son had a college teammate several years back who failed a drug test for marijuana. It effectively ended his college career. The only message we want to send here on these forums is "Don't do it"
This is a serious matter for young players where serious consequences are involved. My son had a college teammate several years back who failed a drug test for marijuana. It effectively ended his college career. The only message we want to send here on these forums is "Don't do it"
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Made sense then...
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Made sense then...
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quote:Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
I agree with justbb's opinion on this subject.
This is a serious matter for young players where serious consequences are involved. My son had a college teammate several years back who failed a drug test for marijuana. It effectively ended his college career. The only message we want to send here on these forums is "Don't do it"
I agree as well. My son's BF in HS, returning after summer to Duke tested postitive for pot and though not released his college career was essentially over, as the coach never gave him opportunities to redeem himself on the field. Not only that, though picked up by another team, as soon as they found out he sat, the new HC knew the situation and released him when he came. Word travels.
We have an obligation here to help guide young players to make good decisions, Tim didn't make one, no matter what our opinions are of using it, regardless of where he fits into MLB, what he did was not cool.
JMO.
quote:Originally posted by njbb:
I just heard that MLB players are not tested for pot
That most likely could be very true. However, I know some milb guys who thought they didn't test minor leaguers for pot, and got 50 game suspension upon returning to camp in spring.
I apologize, but sometimes I think we make ourselves out to be too important. This is a great messageboard, but it is a messageboard where people share their opinions, experiences and stories.
I know it wasn't meant that way but when I read things like...
I agree with the "Don't do it" part, but in a small way, I disagree with the "only message we want to send" part. Not trying to be a rebel, but also don't want to be told what message to send.
Also, I have to disagree with TPM about this...
I know what was meant, but does anyone who posts here have any such obligation? And does the "we" part mean we are all obligated?
I understand that this is nitpicking words, but words do send a message.
I know it wasn't meant that way but when I read things like...
quote:The only message we want to send here on these forums is "Don't do it"
I agree with the "Don't do it" part, but in a small way, I disagree with the "only message we want to send" part. Not trying to be a rebel, but also don't want to be told what message to send.
Also, I have to disagree with TPM about this...
quote:We have an obligation here to help guide young players to make good decisions
I know what was meant, but does anyone who posts here have any such obligation? And does the "we" part mean we are all obligated?
I understand that this is nitpicking words, but words do send a message.