TPM

infielddad

Remember that beauty is in the eye of the beholder as is the knowledge/advice or supposed knowledge/advice that is offered on many sites--

I will consider your personal slurs on the basis of where they come from

As for TPM who is she to state that I have no right to post as I do--I still say baseball is not the most difficult job. Does she s think she is some sort of Reigning GOD on this site--people should only know

tpm

i too enjoy the ups and downs of milb.i like following the sons of websters. parents see more than players at times.

as far as tr goes, it reminds me of an old tagline.

"nothing is sometimes a nice thing to do,alway's a good thing to say"

TPM, you're going to let someone run you off your post????

Please reconsider and ignore those that bother you.

Believe it or not, I have learned from both of you.

Sometimes my posts are viewed as negative or in some cases lighthearted but I truly believe too many people take baseball too seriously (pre-college ball). Sometimes I like to lighten up a subject, life is too short folks.

Thank you.

PUHD,
There probably are places where TR has good info to offer.
However, his personalizing, badgering and insults to TPM isn't one of them. It isn't needed and it flies in the face of the anti-flaming rules on the board.
It is intriguing that TR is such a proponent of free speech except for folks like TPM and then he shouts them down, belittles them and attempts to make himself big by using, regularly, the following: "Does she s think she is some sort of Reigning GOD on this site--people should only know"
Only TR knows why he follows TPM posting around this site, attempts to belittle both her posts and belittle her personally, and then follow it with indignation and insults to others and TPM, as he does here.
Too bad.
On balance, my view is this site does not need TRhit, he needs this site.

The free speach pleas don't reconcile with the blatant flame posts. He is on my ignore list, which has one member.

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Originally posted by Dad04:
The free speach pleas don't reconcile with the blatant flame posts. He is on my ignore list, which has one member.

Count me in as poster #2 having one member on that list.

In no way defending either one, but on the flip side TPM took shots in that thread as well and then locked it right after. That isn't right either..

TPM, reopen your post so others can learn from your and DK's experience.

Everyone is well aware that TR has nothing better to do than badger you on here, and it speaks volumes of his character. I am most certain that those in charge are very aware of his antics on here. This constant badgering and belittling of his needs to be stopped immediately.

Infieldad, very astute statement. He needs this site, it doesnt need him. Without this site he would wither away into oblivian.

Bulldog, one can only take pot shots for so long until provoked to come out swinging. I can't blame her for doing so.

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Originally posted by Bulldog 19:
In no way defending either one, but on the flip side TPM took shots in that thread as well and then locked it right after. That isn't right either..

Most can tell the difference between opinionated and jerky posting.

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Originally posted by YoungGunDad:
TPM, reopen your post so others can learn from your and DK's experience.

Everyone is well aware that TR has nothing better to do than badger you on here, and it speaks volumes of his character. I am most certain that those in charge are very aware of his antics on here. This constant badgering and belittling of his needs to be stopped immediately.

Infieldad, very astute statement. He needs this site, it doesnt need him. Without this site he would wither away into oblivian.

Bulldog, one can only take pot shots for so long until provoked to come out swinging. I can't blame her for doing so.

Let's just call a spade a spade. He flat makes a living off this site, probably the only one I know of, and wanders around peeing in everbody's Cheerios. I don't understand why he's still here, frankly.

TPM and Infielddad do a pretty good job of stocking themselves.

Frankly I am insulted I am not on their ignore lists.

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
TPM and Infielddad do a pretty good job of stocking themselves.

Frankly I am insulted I am not on their ignore lists.

"Stalking" themselves?

I recognize TRhit on this web site. When able, I check many of his blogs. His experiences with over 1000 amateur HS players after he retired from a career in hard hat construction, illustrates his no-nonsense, tell it like it is, blue collar reality approach.

I ignore TPM posts and have for some time.
They offer very little to me. IMHO she
wears rose colored classes. Her experiences with amateur HS players and minor leaguers is very limited and may only include her talented son, (who signed for over $3/4 M in 2007).
That does not make a difference to me, yet she is unable to understand nor have experience MiLB's who signed for a cupcake, and are struggling financially
while getting after their dreams.

Keep posting TR, I'll enjoy reading them.
Yet as we both get older, greyer, and fatter,
I am also enjoying more and more, my grandchildren.

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Originally posted by Bear:
I recognize TRhit on this web site. When able, I check many of his blogs. His experiences with over 1000 amateur HS players after he retired from a career in hard hat construction, illustrates his no-nonsense, tell it like it is, blue collar reality approach.

I ignore TPM posts and have for some time.
They offer very little to me. IMHO she
wears rose colored classes. Her experiences with amateur HS players and minor leaguers is very limited and may only include her talented son, (who signed for over $3/4 M in 2007).
That does not make a difference to me, yet she is unable to understand nor have experience MiLB's who signed for a cupcake, and are struggling financially
while getting after their dreams.

Keep posting TR, I'll enjoy reading them.
Yet as we both get older, greyer, and fatter,
I am also enjoying more and more, my grandchildren.

Bear,
Now that is hysterical.
$3-4 M in 2007?
Amazing, just amazing.
I do think you and TR should keep on enjoying each other and finding great joy in constantly criticizing a Mother who posts here.
At least provide comments with reasonably accurate information please. Just "reasonably accurate" would be a nice start.

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Originally posted by Bear:

I recognize TRhit on this web site. When able, I check many of his blogs. His experiences with over 1000 amateur HS players after he retired from a career in hard hat construction, illustrates his no-nonsense, tell it like it is, blue collar reality approach.

No more experience than most of the Posters on here...ho hum. Just because he retired from a construction job doesn't give him any creedance.

I ignore TPM posts and have for some time.
They offer very little to me. IMHO she
wears rose colored classes.

I can't speak for her but if I were a betting man, I'd bet she is probably very happy that you DO ignore her posts.

Her experiences with amateur HS players and minor leaguers is very limited and may only include her talented son, (who signed for over $3/4 M in 2007).

IMO, her experiences with her son most likely surpasses 90% of the rest of us on here. Most of us only have a son playing college, HS, or LL ball. Her input about MiLB on here has been invaluable to the rest of us.

That does not make a difference to me, yet she is unable to understand nor have experience MiLB's who signed for a cupcake, and are struggling financially
while getting after their dreams.

Good Lord. What has this got to do with the price of eggs in china? Playing MiLB ball is playing MiLB ball! Every young man has his own experience and struggle. They all have 1 goal - the Show! What a ridiculous remark.

This site should not be about a popularity contest as you guys are making it out to be. Each poster on here has his or her own experiences and opinions, and are free to share them without having to wonder how it will be accepted. Quit looking down your long noses and choose to be a positive influence on here.

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Originally posted by Bear:
I recognize TRhit on this web site. When able, I check many of his blogs. His experiences with over 1000 amateur HS players after he retired from a career in hard hat construction, illustrates his no-nonsense, tell it like it is, blue collar reality approach.

I ignore TPM posts and have for some time.
They offer very little to me. IMHO she
wears rose colored classes. Her experiences with amateur HS players and minor leaguers is very limited and may only include her talented son, (who signed for over $3/4 M in 2007).
That does not make a difference to me, yet she is unable to understand nor have experience MiLB's who signed for a cupcake, and are struggling financially
while getting after their dreams.

Keep posting TR, I'll enjoy reading them.
Yet as we both get older, greyer, and fatter,
I am also enjoying more and more, my grandchildren.

Get a room.

Just my 2 cents. I do not post much and stumbled upon this site 2 years ago. My son who is a senior will be pitching at texas state in the fall. When he was being recruited villanova was interested in him. I posted on "ask about colleges" wanting some info on coach Godri and the villanova program. The following morning I received a pm from TRhit and his phone number. I called him and we spoke and shared baseball stories for over 1 hour. This is a man whom I never knew. He was engaging and passionate about the game. he gave me the positives and negatives about villanova. We have spoken since regarding my other son. He is a guy who cares about the kids and will do anything possible to help them. He offered one of our high school kids a spot on his roster so he could get exposure at jupiter. TRhit cares about the boys and to me nothing else matters..

make it a threesome.

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Originally posted by lowfog:
Just my 2 cents. I do not post much and stumbled upon this site 2 years ago. My son who is a senior will be pitching at texas state in the fall. When he was being recruited villanova was interested in him. I posted on "ask about colleges" wanting some info on coach Godri and the villanova program. The following morning I received a pm from TRhit and his phone number. I called him and we spoke and shared baseball stories for over 1 hour. This is a man whom I never knew. He was engaging and passionate about the game. he gave me the positives and negatives about villanova. We have spoken since regarding my other son. He is a guy who cares about the kids and will do anything possible to help them. He offered one of our high school kids a spot on his roster so he could get exposure at jupiter. TRhit cares about the boys and to me nothing else matters..

Lowfog, no one is taking away how much TR has helped people on here. He along with many others who are in the baseball "business" willingly do it. Unfortuntely you haven't been around long enough to watch him in rare form when he disagrees or wants to lob an attack on a poster. I'm glad that he helped you out. THAT is what this site should be about each and every day. Not launching attacks on Posters for entertainment.

YGD

lowfog,
Thanks very much for your input.
Your views and experiences are what make this site so rewarding.
All I would suggest is that just about every poster on this site loves baseball.
The only thing they love more than the game is the love of the kids who play the game.
Whether TR is more passionate about the game and the kids who play the game has nothing to do with this thread. Whether he is more passionate isn't what this thread is about.
What I have tried to support is a thread that is about decency and respect for those who post on this site. This thread is about showing decency and respect of the type shown in your post and in the pm and call TR made to you.
If I had to guess, I would guess there are many, many PM's that occur on this site where people are helped in choices of college and other decisions.
I surely know many have helped me and hopefully I have helped a few along the way.
This thread isn't about the decency TR showed to you in the call and PM.
This thread is about whether posts and content like those posted by TR and, I just discovered have been deleted, are acceptable.

I, for one, was enjoying reading the thread started by TPM. Found the insights she shared to be fascinating and shared them with son who also enjoyed. I understand the thoughts expressed are her perspective and others might view the same situations differently.

People's views and opinions are, to me, what this site is all about. Readers are welcome to take what they think may be helpful and pass on the rest. Much, if not most, of what I have read over the years (can't believe it's been years) from TPM has been more than worthwhile.

Not sure what all the problem is. If someone disagrees or thinks that any post is not correct, they can offer alternative views or choose to simply ignore.

It's ok also to be contrarian when you feel its necessary, but after a while...it gets old. (Was arguing about how tough a job as an milb player is really helpful?) Unfortunately, I tend to ignore posts from posters who are continually negative. So, I probably miss the opportunity to learn from those posts and the experience of these posters.

I'll say it again....I was enjoying the thread on life in milb spring traing that TPM started and thought it was a great addition to the site.

I was also enjoying the thread opened by TPM. As our family knows several players now going through spring training - it's interesting to learn more about it.

Keep posting parents - we want to hear! We can take or leave differing opinions - just tell us more about your minor leaguers experiences!!

Only today did I find this discussion.

To me, TPM is a passionate baseball parent...and a passionate mom. I love reading her posts...she puts it all out there for us to read. Rare...even here. And if you're barking up the wrong tree, she'll tell you. Personally, I like that.

For whatever reason...and I've seen this in the workplace too...some men have a hard time with a woman who speaks her mind, who knows more about a "man-topic" than they're comfortable with...and their only defense is to demean. They will deny it to themselves...and probably to all of us too. But it is what it is.

Maybe its kind of in our "man-genes"...because I know when my wife is right about something (and trust me, she's almost always right! )...especially about a "man-topic" like baseball...it bugs me at first glance. Its probably a good thing we don't have a message board to discuss the things she's right about...or I'd look like a fool too!

The thread TPM started was a good one. I have a minor leaguer...scratching his way through Spring Training and hopefully another season...its tough. WAY tougher than my job. Especially when you consider that for most of the players it is something they love doing more than anything else...and have been doing since they can remember (5-years old)...and any day it could be taken away forever. Thats a lot to swallow...especially for a young adult. And lastly, I think a lot of HS parents could have benefited from reading accounts by some of us.

But I won't post any either. Not worth getting bashed by the same few people over and over again. Just not worth it.

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Originally posted by justbaseball:
But I won't post any either. Not worth getting bashed by the same few people over and over again. Just not worth it.

Now that is a shame. I would ask you and TPM to reconsider and ignore the naysayers.

I don't post things as much because I am afraid of the jinx factor. Baseball is a game that can confound the most talented and sometimes there is no rhyme or reason for it.

Is this brain surgery or rocket science we are talking about? Are there more important things in life? Of course there is. If we use that standard however then no form of entertainment or anything other than eating and drinking and having a place to sleep is worth the effort we put into it.

Here is the tough thing. If you want to play at the highest level, you are competing against 7,000 other guys who have been pre-screened to compete for 750 jobs. If you analyzed those numbers logically, it would be easy to give up. It is more than a dream to go up against that. It takes hard work and the willingness to keep going when failure occurs. Failure finds every player in pro baseball and I don't care what anyone says, it is tough to fail and continue going with a smile on your face the next day, but that is what it takes.

Anybody can play basaeball when things go their way. It takes something special to overcome the disappointments however and thus I knew exactly what TPM was talking about.

infield dad


Ask TPM about the the PM she sent a few years back disparaging me --it was sent to many others but a copy showed up in my in box apparently by mistake---since that event I have not respect for her and her total lack of credibility--At least when I have something to say about someone I say it in public for all to hear and am not a PM Maven like she is--ask her--I have never, nor will I ever send her a PM --I tell her what I think of her here in her own domain, perhaps her own dream world


YGD
Another interesting post from you--amazing how you and others disparage me as you do, no problem here as I have big shoulders and those that know me seem to have no problem--- but anyone else who says things you do not like you can they are the "bad guys"


DAD04


You know nothing about what you spew---make a living here--are you kidding me !!!!!

Just so you are all aware BEAR and I have had many disgreements over the years, he can attest to that, but that is life--he is opinionated as I am--life goes on ---we still debate theories on baseball


CD


Naysayers !!!-- I ask you again, a man of the bar, what happened to good old fashioned debate--

That was a great thread before TPM closed it. I do tend to take info and advice from those that are either there or went through it, that takes TR out of that discussion right from the get-go.

All I needed to hear (or see) was: "Baseball in no way is the toughest job they will ever have-- not by a long shot--- TPM you should know that the "real world" is much tougher."
LOL, if that isnt the dumbest thing I've seen on here in a long time.

TR, I personally live in the "real world." I am an independant sales rep for an energy conservation company and I install ceramic tile on the side. You could teach a monkey to do the things that I do for a living. It can be demanding at times, but definitely not tougher than playing MiLB........ by a long shot. Let me show and prove it to you.

I get to come home to my own house and bed every night after work. MiLB players get to go back to their hotel room at the end of the day, whether it be on the road or for home games. I drive at the most an hour to a tile job or to make a cold call/sales call. Bus trips to road games could last almost a full day. For the most part the people I deal with on a daily basis speak english. I the minors I bet you are lucky if half of your teammates speak a lick of english.
Will I ever be rich? Probably not, but we do ok and are not hurting while getting our "prodigy" through his third year of college.
But here is where I envy my son. He has a chance to do what such a small part of the population has a chance to do, play baseball professionally. Shoot, anyone can do what I do. Not many can say they had or have a chance to play baseball professionally. And you are competing against the best in the world. You gonna sit there and tell me this wont be the toughest job he might ever have? PLEASE! You know how I know it will be the toughest job he will ever have? The pay at the MLB level, if it wasn't tough I guarantee you every flunky in the world would be lined up to go to this job. But that is why MLB players get what they get, because it is a tough job and not everyone can do it. Kinda surprised that had to be explained to you. But not really surprised becuase if TPM said the sky was blue you would come on here and belittle her and say that it is purple just to start an argument, because you have to debate EVERYTHING. It has gotten old, please do a better job of getting over yourself.

D1

Glad to hear that you think you "know" how smart or dumb I am

TPM is/was a teacher---to me that is a tougher job than being a baseball player

A salesman has a tougher job than baseball because to put food on the table for his family means he has earn his commissions--for salesman there is very little assured in terms of earnings

I worked in the contstruction field and any time I went on a job site I stood the chance of being hurt or killed in an accident--it is simple the nature of the beast--in the office I handled multi million dollar bids and projects--make one mistake with your estimate and calculations and you can put your company out of business--

Asll of the three noted jobs have extreme pressure involved---as Joe Theisman once said--"How bad is it to get paid for playing a game!"

I am no hero but I think I know what tough jobs are and as tough as baseball is, no disrespect to the players and coaches, it sure, in my mind is not the toughest.

I don't think that "Professional Baseball Player" will be featured on NBC's "America's Dirtiest Jobs" either, lol!

I have come to the conclusion that I may live in a different "world" than some of you---that is fine--we have all all experienced different things, some more than others and some many times more because of age and situation---we all have to be somewhere--the difference is I am able to understand where you come from and accept your views even if I debate you continually--I don't call you an idiot--I don't call you dumb--and perhaps, just perhaps, I have more experience in this baseball thing than you that I can draw from--doesn't make me an expert, never claimed to be, but it sure gives me more of an overview.

I enjoy good debates--when my Dad and I worked together--we used to price projects separatesly and them meet for breakfast the day of the bid and debate what we did with our pricing and thinking---sometimes he won--other times I won--many times we compromised--but we always respected each others views--

My coaches and I debate continually on what we want to do---it is what makes it work--some of you have a problem in that you don't want to respect others views and opinions--not just mine but many others who post on here--it is a sign of the times because everyone wants to be PC and not cross any lines--and trust me I am not offended--sometimes I sit back and silently laugh at the remarks and barbs and slurs that come my way as does my wife--trust me nobody likes everybody that that is good because otherwise we would all be the same and it would be a very boring life and one thing is certain I am who I am whether you like me or not--there are too many false people out there today especially in the Youth Baseball Business as you people term it, much less the world--I don't term it that--to me it is not a business, it is a love--it is a way to keep busy and occupied now that I am retired--it is a way to help players as best I can from my experiences--it is way to stay young because the players will do that to you-- it is a way to enjoy life and I truly believe that when you believe in what you are doing you will always have naysayers and detractors--

One other thing for you guys with the slingshots--manup and have an adult profile--don't hide in the virtual world

TR,

First off I didn't call you dumb, just the comment. Of course we all have different views, none of us will be able to walk each others shoes because each situation is different.

Believe it or not I respect you because of your work with kids in the game of baseball. That right there isnt an easy job and I know, becuase I have lived that one myself. "You can't please all of the people all of the time."

But on the other hand that is where the respect stops. There is no need on God's green earth why you have to act the way you do on this board. It is totally uncalled for and unproductive. But make your own bed, you are the one that has to deal with the fallout.

Just wondering when all the moderators are going to get tired of dealing with all the drama you bring to the board when you are around?

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Just wondering when all the moderators are going to get tired of dealing with all the drama you bring to the board when you are around?

Well see one does. Problem is she brings plenty of it on and when it starts flying about her, she ends it. You can look at the last thread to see that-- she took a few shots and then locked it. Uncalled for.



As for baseball being "the hardest job they'll ever have" my question is where can I sign up? I spent a summer in professional baseball except I wasn't paid for the work I put in. I worked daily with the players who were making a relatively small amount of money, but they were PLAYING A GAME! I realize it's stressful coming to the park each day and traveling, etc but there are MILLIONS who would take that opportunity. It's hard, but not the hardest by far...

They are not playing... they are working and its not a game once you start getting paid.
Its not really a "normal job" its more like being in the circus

Well, let's start with Joe Theisman. I don't believe he was talking about playing in Milb and being paid $1,150 per month.
I am always fascinated by these discussions and comparisons/analogies.
Taking teachers or construction, those employees are almost always protected by unions, very strong unions. Not the case in Milb players. Complain about a safety issue as a Milb player...goodbye. Complain about working conditions, goodbye.
Accrue sick leave, what's that? Accrue vacation? What's that?
Get hurt on the job? Oh boy, don't do that! Want to see a difference in treatment from every work place and work injured employee in America? How much time to you have?
Think these guys don't have families. Head to ST and watch the wives with the babies running around during games, and packing up, with tears flowing, the next when Dad learns he has been released.
Would millions trade places? For sure. However, they didn't spend all those hours on the field, in the cages, on the 12 hour bus rides and the like to even have a chance. Its nice to say they would trade places. It is different to say they would put in the time, make the sacrifices and have the heart, talent and commitment to even get a chance to play in Milb Those in Milb are the rare ones with talent and passion and who made the sacrifices almost every day for many, many years to get there.
How is Milb different.
Well, you show up in February/March and compete for a job without any pay. If you get one, you relocate, find housing, find transportation and be ready to play in 2-3 days.
When you start playing, every play/AB/pitch is graded, everyday. Not many jobs where that is true.
The major difference in the way work is done is Milb players need to be better at what they do every single day. If they don't, they go home.
How many of us can say that each and every day someone is grading our performance, grading it against every other player and deciding who plays and who leaves. How many of us would admit we go to work every day and know we need to be better than yesterday. Heck, most of us go to work and feel if we did as well today as we did yesterday, we are secure. That gets you your release in Milb.
To suggest Milb is a normal job and gets compared to a normal job is, to me, just plain wrong.
This site is filled with posts about the dream.
Well, these are the players living the dream, except most eventually get called into an office and told the dream is over, even when they did nothing wrong, did the job well, played through injury, and sacrificed and never complained.
It is over in the blink of the eye of a player development director who determined that player is expendable. Severance..none. Accrued vacation...none. Hurt on the job...oh boy, are you in for some pain, and not from the injury.
There is no business like Milb in this country, because it is a business, run by very tough business folks who employ bright eyed young men who just want to play a game

Amen infielddad! I understand how folks on the board might feel the way they do, but until you watch your son go through the minor league system you really can't understand. And the fact that there are many on the outside not in the know who continue to say "I'll play for free" gives the teams all the power they need to keep the status quo. Would my son want to be anywhere else? H_ll no! Is it time to change the pay & working conditions in MiLB? I think so. But the players have no power to make those changes.

infielddad - what a great post!

Lets be honest here, milb is a caste system. Maybe a better way of saying it is that it is a two-tiered system. There are the prospects and everyone else. The prospects are basically the ones who got all the money when they signed. For them, many of them instant millionaires or several hundred thousand-aires, I would guess their view of things is different as they have at least a modicum of financial stability in their lives. bbscout used to kid but I believe he was only half-kidding when he said the only reason the minor leagues exist is so the prospects have someone to play against.

I am not naive and know the deck is stacked against my son as a later round pick. There is something in him that has caused him and his family to believe there is a remote chance or possibility. It ain't much but it is the best we got.

Really great post infielddad! And excellent points made.

Not sure if anyone knows the story of PJ Walters and his baby that was born way too early just a few days before camp began, gravely ill, he finally made it to camp, only to return after getting a call that baby Anabelle most likely was not going to make it. She died about 10 days ago.
PJ had an opportunity this year to battle for the 5th starting position (pitcher) for the ML team and had to be sent back to the AAA roster. He is just returning to begin to make up for the time he has missed preparing for the season which is about 3 months. Can you imagine having to bury your first born then leave your grieving wife and family behind to return to your job within a few weeks.
When my father died, I was given bereavement time off and paid, when I returned the exact same job was waiting for me, I didn't have to go to battle with anyone to get it back.
When I got hurt on the job in a very serious fall, I was given paid time off and had a right to collect worker's comp from my employer while under a doctor's care. Even when I returned and found it difficult at times to do what I had to do, I wasn't released because I couldn't.

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Can you imagine having to bury your first born then leave your grieving wife and family behind to return to your job within a few weeks.

TPM,
No, I cannot imagine, cannot fathom being faced with that situation and having to confront those choices, or each day when you "come home from work," it is to an empty apartment or motel room, and not with your wife with whom you are sharing such a tragic loss.
Cannot imagine, no.

Me neither. Cannot imagine it.

I am so sorry for that young man's family and for him. I truly hope he is able to get the support he needs.

A few years ago a local HS coach...seemingly a wonderful man...son had played at Fullerton and in the Rays system...the coach/dad suddenly died from a stroke in the middle of the season. Son returned home for a short while...then back to work. His career, which looked bright earlier, didn't last much longer.

Nope, very hard to imagine.