Hips??????

bluedog

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Do notice, he said the belly button and not the hips....

Do you have experience turning one without the other?

Thanks PG. Your post was very clear and well thought out, a departure from some others.

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Originally posted by Bluedog:

Wording is important in talking about this....

Would you care to go into a little more detail so we can understand what you're seeing? I'm running out of questions.

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Would you care to go into a little more detail so we can understand what you're seeing?

Maybe you can explain your details so we can see what you are saying......

That would be a lot better......

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bluedog
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Do notice, he said the belly button and not the hips....

Deemax
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Do you have experience turning one without the other?

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Well, I saw this belly dancer once........She could do it......

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I'm running out of questions.

You can always use this one again...

"Bluedog

Going back to the McGuire/Vladi clips.....they each show a different way of "using" the hips in their swing."

It made no sense the first time, perhaps it will get better with age.....

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Opening the hips too early or too slowly destroys all of that.

PGStaff, how do you explain the fact that some MLB hitters open their hips earlier than others??

And, rotating into footplant must really drive you crazy???

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Originally posted by BlueDog:

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bluedog
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Do notice, he said the belly button and not the hips....

Deemax
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Do you have experience turning one without the other?

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Well, I saw this belly dancer once........She could do it......

Why don't you answer the man's question?

You didn't like my answer?????......

BD,

Sorry, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Could we see some examples?

There can be many reasons why one hitter would open his hips earlier than another. Or even why the same hitter would open his hips earlier on one pitch than another.

Some of those reasons would include...

Being fooled by the pitch
The location of the pitch
Having slower hips
The type of hitter each is
The type of stride

Rotating into footplant doesn't really drive me crazy. I just prefer not rotating into footplant. What do the no stride guys do?

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Originally posted by BlueDog:

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I'm running out of questions.

You can always use this one again...

"Bluedog
going back to the McGuire/Vladi clips.....they each show a different way of "using" the hips in their swing."

It made no sense the first time, perhaps it will get better with age.....

Not quite sure why I deserved that. Just trying to understand what it is you're seeing.

Also, I didn't say I was out of questions, I said I almost was. I'll try another one.

Would you be referring to the "stretch/unstretch" of the muscles in the middle/center?

By the way, if any of us ever guess it right, will you tell us?

zzzzzzzzzzzz.... BullDog really fancies himself the teacher around here and thinks he does us all a great service by forcing us to try to answer his questions (as if only HIS questions are the "right" ones to be considering?).

I have an idea... why doesn't BullDog post a clip and explain what he sees in it, how he thinks it happens, and most importantly, how he thinks we should teach hitters to do it? And post some clips of HIS hitters having success doing his way?

Naah... much easier and safer to sit back and take jabs at everyone else.

Sandy, when I don't post for awhile, the hitting threads cease........

Maybe you can keep 'em going?????

BlueDog,

I have noticed that! The same thing held true for Richard... is Richard "chameleon"? I really got to liking Richard. Especially after he put that videa clip of himself up.

While I and others might not agree with everything you say... I do appreciate the way you guys get things going. Your passion for this subject is very impressive. I try to read everything you post. It leads to some good discussion and some good laughs at times.

Too bad, Richard kept getting kicked off the site. He was very smart, very irritating and a riot!

Do you think no one would read what you SAID if you stopped asking QUESTIONS? Maybe people DO enjoy your CONTENT, and might still be interested, even if you shed your tone? Hmmm...

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Originally posted by PGStaff:
... Rotating into footplant doesn't really drive me crazy. I just prefer not rotating into footplant. What do the no stride guys do?

As far as no-striders, I like David Wright's swing. (I consider him a no-strider.) Take a look at how he drops the front heel with rotation. This is just a sample of one. I would need to review my clips to see if any other no-striders are doing it.

PGStaff and Sandy, how 'bout you two starting some threads and keeping a discussion going??

I'll stay out of em.....All I do is make people think, anyway.....I don't even know what I believe....

Heck, a thread just for people who are tired of me would be a start.....Have at it!!

I'm more of a reader.

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Originally posted by PGStaff:
BlueDog,

I have noticed that! The same thing held true for Richard... is Richard "chameleon"? I really got to liking Richard. Especially after he put that videa clip of himself up.

While I and others might not agree with everything you say... I do appreciate the way you guys get things going. Your passion for this subject is very impressive. I try to read everything you post. It leads to some good discussion and some good laughs at times.

Too bad, Richard kept getting kicked off the site. He was very smart, very irritating and a riot!

PG,

Agree with you on the RShard thing. I didnt get along with him at all the first year or so. In fact - I got along with him terribly LOL.

But when he posted that video clip of himself up there - I changed my opinion alot. Took alot of guts to show that middle aged pitching form. LOL

Looked pretty good for an old man too.

He was a spunky cat IMO.

Try putting the bat behind your back.
Hook your elbow's over the knob and barrel.
Make sure the bat barrel sticks out as far as possible.
Now try to hit the ball off a High TEE or Soft Toss.
When you make solid contact, I mean putting a Drive on the Ball.
Then your Belly Button, Hips, Core, Legs, Shoulder's and everyother part of your body is Turning with Power to the Ball??
EH

its,

Actually the one I was referring to... He was showing how to catch and throw. Did he also do one where he was pitching?

Anyway, your right, that took some balls to post that clip. And your right he looked fairly athletic for an over weight, middle aged, pool player!

I think he might still be lurking around! I sure got some good laughs when you and him or other people and him would go after each other. That was some great entertainment, right here on the HSBBWeb.

Then seeing him get booted and reappear the next day as someone new... That was great!

Didn't anyone else get a kick out of that stuff?

PG - LOL - I have alot of energy - but he finally wore me out.

And yes - you are right - he was demonstrating the throw to second as a catcher. My bad.

I did my best to make up with him - but he still cyber spanked me every chance he got. LOL

He was a spunky funky cat IMO - and I thought he did a pretty darn good job of explaining a good swing too.

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and I thought he did a pretty darn good job of explaining a good swing too.

It seems you haven't kept up, lately.......He has totally changed his thinking on the swing.....Even has a website discussing his "new" theory....Not at all what he explained to you and others on here....

The swing theory you got from him was PCR.....He has since renounced PCR and, now, believes PCR is too slow in getting the bat around to the ball.....His "new" theory has to do with a "second engine" which includes the arms and hands.....

For a fee, he will allow you to join his website.....

Bluedog,

What he is teaching now has nothing to do with the fact that I enjoyed his posts in the past.

Nothing at all.

And I didnt get anything from him.

I just enjoyed many of his posts.

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and I thought he did a pretty darn good job of explaining a good swing too.

Well, if someone calls this "didn't get anything"...........

Yeah - whatever.

Bluedog, are your right in your assertion that his is now a pay site? I didn't know that. Of course, I can't get on there anyway so it doesn't matter. Something in his title or front page or url or... doesn't allow me access due to our security provider. See you learn something new everyday. (Most importantly I learned today that tomorrow it's going to be 50+ degrees and so, we're going out and really playing some ball.)

Coach, Teacherman advertises his site as a pay site.....Yet, he, also says on his website that his information is free to parents.....He even advertises sending out a newsletter by e-mail....

So, it seems rather confusing......Looks like Shep is a member.....Maybe he can tell us what is going on over there....

Bluedog, very interesting. I seem to recall somewhere on the web a post that contained a link and somehow I could view it on his site. However, I couldn't do anything else and so... That is why I wondered about the pay. One day maybe you and I'll go into business and create our own pay for view site. I can see it now BluedogandButler Hitting.com SOUNDS LIKE A WINNER!!!

Take care!

Try this, Coach.....

http://www.hittingillustrated.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=8

Wow, I guess that is a whole new site. It came up. Thanks! Now about the title for our site, BluedogandButler or ButlerandBluedog? Guess we'll have to work on that.

Concerning the hips and perhaps your point with this thread. We've been doing a lot of work with activating the core (load) on pitcher movement. A type of "tilt and re-tilt" it really seems to help on that inside fastball. I think we can/do find all kinds of "evidence" in video from MLB players. Still, we need to accept all of that as only a piece of a bigger puzzle. You have to make all of the pieces fit in sequence in order to have an efficient swing.

Take care!

ACoachandaDogHitting.com......

Try this page, Coach...

http://www.hittingillustrated.com/whyUs.html

Coach, my whole point is to understand what SHOULD make the hips open.....You understand this, others don't...

If a hitter merely turns the hips, and he certainly can do so, he is not activating the muscles in the center.....

The hips must open because the muscles in the center are activating....The muscles in the center must do the work....

The twist is in the center and is activated in the center....

The hips and the shoulders cannot get this done effectively, IMO....

Now, when I showed video clips of the center muscles activating and getting it done in two MLB hitters, well, you know the rest......

I intentionally left out the legs and would have left out the shouders if I could have.....

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
Coach, my whole point is to understand what SHOULD make the hips open.....You understand this, others don't...

If a hitter merely turns the hips, and he certainly can do so, he is not activating the muscles in the center.....

The hips must open because the muscles in the center are activating....The muscles in the center must do the work....

We are in complete agreement! When a player gets this right, they will notice it immediately.

Keep searching.

Grandpa said,"the more things change, the more they stay the same".

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Originally posted by Chameleon:
Keep searching.

LOL

Is this a treasure hunt - or a Baseball hitting forum?

Knucklehead. LOL