There were so many parents like this poster when I was playing. They were too hung up on the coach. The parents attitude towards the coach became a distraction for the kid and affected his attitude and his advancement.
BBDAD98 posted:....The HS coach does not want them to ever swing a wood bat at his practices and that goes for tee work on up. I agree about a wood bat not being used during HS games.
So, use it in outside practice/instruction
My sons throwing motion lol! No I did not thank the coach for that info. I knew that my son threw a little weird and we had tried to address it before. My son was getting the job done, on a line and on target the way he had been coached. I see no benefit in throwing a rainbow over the cut off guys and 3rd base, sorry I don't.
Why do I find it hard to believe that the coach was teaching specifically to throw a rainbow over the cut?
... The HS coach spent all last season with him and did not mention it until the end of the year meeting as a reason he was not going to play at the next level. The coach was of little to no help.
Why do I find it even more difficult to believe that the coach brought it up end of year but never mentioned it once during the whole season?
Joking but not really I looked up the coaches senior PG measurable stats and I have to say they are not great numbers so maybe they really don't matter to him, but for a different reason.
So, you trolled your son's HS coach' playing day stats to use against him in public forum... nice. New level.
It has become glaringly evident that your son has made some nice improvements since last year but you are very much the same person, despite dozens of knowledgeable, experienced folks here trying to help steer you to a better path for your son's sake. (For those wondering why I am taking a particularly harsh tone, please read this poster's MANY previous posts in this thread.)
I do honestly hope your son is able to overcome what I suspect are his biggest two hurdles.
I think you are blowing up what the coach said. Players were talking about what they could throw and one is bragging that player X could throw 88 and the others were questioning it. The player check out his PG stats and the coach said PG stats don't really matter which they don't. How fast can you throw and well can you help the team. I also do not think a coach's playing ability affects his ability to coach. I know some great coaches who never played the game but have learned how to coach it well.
I also understand a coach not wanting wood. Swing it during the off season but swing the bbcor during practice and games. Don't agree with it but understand if it is his philosophy then go with it. My son was the only player allowed to swing wood bat during bp at his high school. when the coach was asked, he said when you start hitting .500 and double digit HR's then you can swing wood also.
I have told my son that I do not agree with some peoples baseball ideas. I have not told my son that the coach is dumb. He can come to his own conclusions. My son is not dumb and he reads people very well. I told my son to bring his wood bat home from school. I went out and got my son a used BP bat and put new grip on it for HS since he can't use his wooden one and I didn't want him to wear out or break his composite bat in this cold weather. My son never mentioned his playing time or any HS stuff to his Travel coach. During the season the travel coached asked my son about HS and the Travel coach mention that the HS coach was dumb and wanted to wring his next. My sons travel coach was an ex minor league player for many years and now current Juco college head coach. If it even matters.
BBDAD-
I'm going to assume your son is easily good enough to be playing varsity.
Therefore, I think the reason your son hasn't made varsity is that the coach has either heard from others or seen for himself that you are a potentially disruptive baseball dad.
It's unfortunate when sons have to pay for the sins of their fathers, but sometimes it's reality.
Prime evidence that you aren't thinking straight is the fact that you have posted so many identifiable details about your son's situation. which means it's plausible that the HSV coach has been reading this thread.
Coach: "Sorry Jimmy, I know you killed it in tryouts and look to be a promising player, but Johnny hit .374 in his Perfect Game tournaments this summer so I have to do what is right"
CoachB25 posted:I too find it odd that PG Stats came up in a conversation. Did you, as a dad, go up to make sure that this ignorant coach knew how good your son was? Did your son go up and say to the coach that he had a great summer and the number prove that he is better than the rest of the guys? Personally, I love for my hitters to hit with wood as much as they can but in a game, no way. There are advantages to the wood in that, imo, they can make the swing mechanics better. There are advantages to these other bats and those advantages outweigh the wood bat in HS games. This is an interesting thread!
Finally, any negative conversations with you son about how you dislike this coach will not help your son. In fact, they just might be a reason why he isn't getting that shot at V that you want.
I want to make one more point. Not only would I not care about some summer stats, I don't care about the stats for the year before for my varsity players. That was last year. This year, they need to prove to me again that they deserve to be on that field. That letter they earned was for last year as well.
BBDAD98 posted:I have told my son that I do not agree with some peoples baseball ideas. I have not told my son that the coach is dumb. He can come to his own conclusions. My son is not dumb and he reads people very well. ...
"I have not told my son that the coach is dumb."
You have over 25 posts in this thread (primarily bashing this coach), most are very lengthy, going into great detail of extensive conversations you have had with your son (almost always sympathizing and rationalizing his interactions with the coach), conversations among teammates you have overheard, conversations with other coaches and instructors who supposedly have negative things to say about this coach and VERY extensive tracking of your son's stats at every turn in effort to prove this coach wrong and incompetent. It would be absolutely impossible for you to not have conveyed your feelings about this coach in some manner to your son. Who are we kidding?
If you honestly believe your son is not fully aware and picking up on your vibe and is not influenced by it, you are seriously mistaken.
You guys are all correct, there is no way possible the coach is bad or done these things and I am not being honest. I will say this before I go. My son has had good coaches, bad coaches, hard coaches and easy coaches. But there were two potential times he tried out for a team, and these were suppose to be good teams with good players that we knew and my son grew up with them in travel ball. These two teams had all paid coaches. This was two separate years at 14U and 15U. My son told me both times he didn't care if they offered him a spot or not he was not playing for those coaches and yes they offered him a spot. I didn't understand why at first and tried to get him to reconsider because both teams would play PG and should compete. I let my son decide from then on out 100% which team to play for. Both of those teams had bad coaches, players leaving and not returning to the teams after the season, big time fall outs. Parents would tell us boy you guys dodged a bullet. So I know my son can read people very well. I on the other hand give them the benefit of the doubt and make mental notes about whats going on. Thanks for listening
game7 posted:BBDAD-
I'm going to assume your son is easily good enough to be playing varsity.
Therefore, I think the reason your son hasn't made varsity is that the coach has either heard from others or seen for himself that you are a potentially disruptive baseball dad.
It's unfortunate when sons have to pay for the sins of their fathers, but sometimes it's reality.
Prime evidence that you aren't thinking straight is the fact that you have posted so many identifiable details about your son's situation. which means it's plausible that the HSV coach has been reading this thread.
First I can't believe this thread is alive again... second I don't really remember much about it and not sure I want to read back so my reply is strictly for onthis statement and has nothing to do with the larger issue.
Ok, when did coaches grow so soft? When are we going to wake up and take the testosterone crisis seriously and realize all this is part of the pussification of America. Never ever ever in my coaching career did me or ANYONE I coached with bring up a kids dad when discussing who should play and where they should play. Are you kidding me???! You put the best 9 on the field. If the coach is so soft he has to 'get even' with the dad by sabotaging a teenager... not much of a man. So if there is really a coach out there who has ever actually done this I would love to hear them admit it and defend it. We may discover this to be mostly myth.
BBDAD98 posted:You guys are all correct, there is no way possible the coach is bad ...
Not one person here said that. You are missing the point yet again.
Wouldn't his teammates want him on the varsity if he could help them?
2020dad posted:game7 posted:BBDAD-
I'm going to assume your son is easily good enough to be playing varsity.
Therefore, I think the reason your son hasn't made varsity is that the coach has either heard from others or seen for himself that you are a potentially disruptive baseball dad.
It's unfortunate when sons have to pay for the sins of their fathers, but sometimes it's reality.
Prime evidence that you aren't thinking straight is the fact that you have posted so many identifiable details about your son's situation. which means it's plausible that the HSV coach has been reading this thread.
First I can't believe this thread is alive again... second I don't really remember much about it and not sure I want to read back so my reply is strictly for onthis statement and has nothing to do with the larger issue.
Ok, when did coaches grow so soft? When are we going to wake up and take the testosterone crisis seriously and realize all this is part of the pussification of America. Never ever ever in my coaching career did me or ANYONE I coached with bring up a kids dad when discussing who should play and where they should play. Are you kidding me???! You put the best 9 on the field. If the coach is so soft he has to 'get even' with the dad by sabotaging a teenager... not much of a man. So if there is really a coach out there who has ever actually done this I would love to hear them admit it and defend it. We may discover this to be mostly myth.
I think human nature in general when evaluating talent has two mindsets which many times is subconscious.
One is looking for reasons to play a kid.
and
Two is looking for reasons not to play a kid.
For obvious reasons you want your kid to land in bucket one.
cabbagedad posted:BBDAD98 posted:You guys are all correct, there is no way possible the coach is bad ...
Not one person here said that. You are missing the point yet again.
He doesn't want to see the point, he's looking for validation in his opinion that the coach is bad and his son should be playing varsity. He attended tryouts and it sounds like he is attending practices as he claims he overheard a player bragging about PG stats. That right there is enough to discredit any objectivity he might have. He is so caught up in his son playing and others not agreeing with him that he doesn't care to listen. When parents like this come up to you in person you have to just nod your head until they leave.
BBDAD98 posted:You guys are all correct, there is no way possible the coach is bad or done these things and I am not being honest. I will say this before I go. My son has had good coaches, bad coaches, hard coaches and easy coaches. But there were two potential times he tried out for a team, and these were suppose to be good teams with good players that we knew and my son grew up with them in travel ball. These two teams had all paid coaches. This was two separate years at 14U and 15U. My son told me both times he didn't care if they offered him a spot or not he was not playing for those coaches and yes they offered him a spot. I didn't understand why at first and tried to get him to reconsider because both teams would play PG and should compete. I let my son decide from then on out 100% which team to play for. Both of those teams had bad coaches, players leaving and not returning to the teams after the season, big time fall outs. Parents would tell us boy you guys dodged a bullet. So I know my son can read people very well. I on the other hand give them the benefit of the doubt and make mental notes about whats going on. Thanks for listening
Per bold above, this is making my point. You just might be hurting your son in ways that you don't realize. However, and make no mistake, coaches notice subtle things about loyalty and players either buying into their system or not. After school today, we had a parent (dad) who wanted to stop by for a "brief meeting." It caught me off guard since I don't do these "brief meetings." We had open gym and I was not there since I had a family obligation I had to take care of. This dad "would appreciate it" if during open gyms, his child not be forced to do the things the other players are doing since he doesn't agree with the drill work. As with most programs, the seniors set up various drills from a list of drills posted during the high school system. We have a place by our cages with drills and explanations of drills posted that is up all year around for those who sneak up there to use the cage. Further, this dad wanted me to know that he realizes that we have good intent but ... Some of you might recall that something similar happened last year but that dad actually asked for a formal meeting. My solution both last year and this is the same. Basically, I appreciate the heads up and they should seriously think about investing in training while the others are playing high school ball. Perhaps the OP needs to think about this. As many of you might recall, I posed the question last year asking why someone would allow their child to play for someone that they think doesn't know the game and one of which improperly coach their child. It is that simple. Opt out.
Buckeye 2015 posted:A couple things? 1) How did the coach know to say "PG summer stats don't matter"? Please don't tell me that your son told him. 2) You're not seriously advocating that your son would use wood in a HS season over BBCOR? My son hit very, very good with wood....probably as good as he did with metal as far as average and power over 3 seasons of top level summer ball....but he would NEVER have considered using it in a game situation. Sure, balls that are hit well are pretty close to equal, but balls that are mishit with BBCOR can still in some cases end up getting thru....balls that are mishit with wood are ground outs. I guess I can understand your frustration with the HS coach, but your arguments so far (PG stats, etc, etc) aren't proving why he is wrong...just proving that you are way too into stats. If your son is looking to play in college....I would start now....and wipe every stat you know about him out of your head. College coach's don't care....AT ALL. You could hit .750 in HS....but if you hit nothing but hard ground balls that get thru the hole between 1st and 2nd you're not getting a sniff from a college coach. Again, your HS coach may be wrong....but trying to use meaningless stats to prove your point is only digging a deeper hole for your son to dig out of if he wants to play varsity
Absolutely, hit with wood in bp and in wood bat tournaments but not in HS games. You are hurting your team when you don't use the highest performance allowed bat even if you do well with wood.
BBDAD:
A few years ago at the Hall of Fame Baseball field in Cooperstown. Our Goodwill Series American Team is playing the National Team from Japan. On our American team 6 players later played in the ML. One of the parents was behind the home plate screen "yelling" instructions to his son. During the 35 years of the Area Code games and Goodwill Series I have encountered the "over involved" parents. I quietly said to the father "do you want your son "killed"? The Japanese coaches will switch the pitch within seconds and if you son is looking for a slider, it was be a "fastball up and in"!!!
Bob
PS: why not enter your son at the JC where your Summer Coach is the Head Coach?
Things I learned from this thread.
BBDAD98 is one of "those" parents.
Stats don't matter. Even though they are recorded and kept for every level of baseball from T-ball to the MLB.
Wood bats will amplify the flaws in your swing thus over time make you a better hitter, increasing your chances at playing at the next level, but should never be used in game play for the good of the team.
CoachB25 posted:BBDAD98 posted:You guys are all correct, there is no way possible the coach is bad or done these things and I am not being honest. I will say this before I go. My son has had good coaches, bad coaches, hard coaches and easy coaches. But there were two potential times he tried out for a team, and these were suppose to be good teams with good players that we knew and my son grew up with them in travel ball. These two teams had all paid coaches. This was two separate years at 14U and 15U. My son told me both times he didn't care if they offered him a spot or not he was not playing for those coaches and yes they offered him a spot. I didn't understand why at first and tried to get him to reconsider because both teams would play PG and should compete. I let my son decide from then on out 100% which team to play for. Both of those teams had bad coaches, players leaving and not returning to the teams after the season, big time fall outs. Parents would tell us boy you guys dodged a bullet. So I know my son can read people very well. I on the other hand give them the benefit of the doubt and make mental notes about whats going on. Thanks for listening
Per bold above, this is making my point. You just might be hurting your son in ways that you don't realize. However, and make no mistake, coaches notice subtle things about loyalty and players either buying into their system or not. After school today, we had a parent (dad) who wanted to stop by for a "brief meeting." It caught me off guard since I don't do these "brief meetings." We had open gym and I was not there since I had a family obligation I had to take care of. This dad "would appreciate it" if during open gyms, his child not be forced to do the things the other players are doing since he doesn't agree with the drill work. As with most programs, the seniors set up various drills from a list of drills posted during the high school system. We have a place by our cages with drills and explanations of drills posted that is up all year around for those who sneak up there to use the cage. Further, this dad wanted me to know that he realizes that we have good intent but ... Some of you might recall that something similar happened last year but that dad actually asked for a formal meeting. My solution both last year and this is the same. Basically, I appreciate the heads up and they should seriously think about investing in training while the others are playing high school ball. Perhaps the OP needs to think about this. As many of you might recall, I posed the question last year asking why someone would allow their child to play for someone that they think doesn't know the game and one of which improperly coach their child. It is that simple. Opt out.
Come on coach you know it's not that simple. A kid can want very badly to play with his high school buddies and represent his school without feeling the coaching instructions are in his best interest. I always talked to my pitchers. Ultimately I let them choose their own path. It's their career or lack thereof not mine. We would look at video. I would say what I saw. Listen to them about what they saw. Show grips but not demand that's what they use. It's just plain stupid for instance for anpitchimg coach to make every pitcher in the program throw a circle change. Maybe a kid has a different grip that works great with his hands and arm slot and delivery in general. Again I am not going back and reading all this stuff so I don't know what the OP's rep gripe is. But I think you would really agree that my way or the highway also isn't the way to go.
2020dad posted:Again I am not going back and reading all this stuff so I don't know what the OP's rep gripe is.
That might have been a good idea before posting.
2020dad posted:CoachB25 posted:BBDAD98 posted:You guys are all correct, there is no way possible the coach is bad or done these things and I am not being honest. I will say this before I go. My son has had good coaches, bad coaches, hard coaches and easy coaches. But there were two potential times he tried out for a team, and these were suppose to be good teams with good players that we knew and my son grew up with them in travel ball. These two teams had all paid coaches. This was two separate years at 14U and 15U. My son told me both times he didn't care if they offered him a spot or not he was not playing for those coaches and yes they offered him a spot. I didn't understand why at first and tried to get him to reconsider because both teams would play PG and should compete. I let my son decide from then on out 100% which team to play for. Both of those teams had bad coaches, players leaving and not returning to the teams after the season, big time fall outs. Parents would tell us boy you guys dodged a bullet. So I know my son can read people very well. I on the other hand give them the benefit of the doubt and make mental notes about whats going on. Thanks for listening
Per bold above, this is making my point. You just might be hurting your son in ways that you don't realize. However, and make no mistake, coaches notice subtle things about loyalty and players either buying into their system or not. After school today, we had a parent (dad) who wanted to stop by for a "brief meeting." It caught me off guard since I don't do these "brief meetings." We had open gym and I was not there since I had a family obligation I had to take care of. This dad "would appreciate it" if during open gyms, his child not be forced to do the things the other players are doing since he doesn't agree with the drill work. As with most programs, the seniors set up various drills from a list of drills posted during the high school system. We have a place by our cages with drills and explanations of drills posted that is up all year around for those who sneak up there to use the cage. Further, this dad wanted me to know that he realizes that we have good intent but ... Some of you might recall that something similar happened last year but that dad actually asked for a formal meeting. My solution both last year and this is the same. Basically, I appreciate the heads up and they should seriously think about investing in training while the others are playing high school ball. Perhaps the OP needs to think about this. As many of you might recall, I posed the question last year asking why someone would allow their child to play for someone that they think doesn't know the game and one of which improperly coach their child. It is that simple. Opt out.
Come on coach you know it's not that simple. A kid can want very badly to play with his high school buddies and represent his school without feeling the coaching instructions are in his best interest. I always talked to my pitchers. Ultimately I let them choose their own path. It's their career or lack thereof not mine. We would look at video. I would say what I saw. Listen to them about what they saw. Show grips but not demand that's what they use. It's just plain stupid for instance for anpitchimg coach to make every pitcher in the program throw a circle change. Maybe a kid has a different grip that works great with his hands and arm slot and delivery in general. Again I am not going back and reading all this stuff so I don't know what the OP's rep gripe is. But I think you would really agree that my way or the highway also isn't the way to go.
... and that is what is great about our various coaching styles. You get to run your program as you want and the same with me. Personally, I know how to win. I know what it takes per fundamentals, drill work, ... I am not someone who will let the players dictate to me what they will do in order for me to have the pleasure of having them on the team. I won't allow the parents to tell me what we are going to do as well. I can't imagine a successful system where 18 players with 18 agendas with 36 parents or more tell the coach what to do in practice.
BTW, of course pitchers have different pitches and way to throw. However, I have a system that the pitchers will work within. They won't be telling me that they don't believe in the band work or plyo ball work or ... Each to their own I guess. Again, it is really easy for me to help the OP. Remove your child if you don't like what the coach is doing. As a parent, you'll save your child from the idiot coach and as a coach, I won't be asked to compromise on what I believe to be the best program I can possible run.
Coach B 25—how do you handle kids who have outside instructors whose ideas differ from yours, especially swing mechanics? Ongoing issue between some of our parents and the head coach. Thx.
If you are on a high way and see dozens of wrong way drivers maybe consider that something is wrong
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smokeminside posted:Coach B 25—how do you handle kids who have outside instructors whose ideas differ from yours, especially swing mechanics? Ongoing issue between some of our parents and the head coach. Thx.
I think a good way that even many minor and major league hitting coaches do is leaving the studs alone. Offer them advice but as long as they rake let them do their thing and spend most energy to improve the 6th to 15th best player of the roster.
Those guys have more potential to improve anyway and usually shouldn't push back unless they have super delusional parents.
When it comes to hitting i tend to leave style things that are individual alone but certain things must be there.
I'm confident i can improve most hitters but if someone doesn't want to listen i don't force him but then he better performs.
CoachB25 posted:2020dad posted:CoachB25 posted:BBDAD98 posted:You guys are all correct, there is no way possible the coach is bad or done these things and I am not being honest. I will say this before I go. My son has had good coaches, bad coaches, hard coaches and easy coaches. But there were two potential times he tried out for a team, and these were suppose to be good teams with good players that we knew and my son grew up with them in travel ball. These two teams had all paid coaches. This was two separate years at 14U and 15U. My son told me both times he didn't care if they offered him a spot or not he was not playing for those coaches and yes they offered him a spot. I didn't understand why at first and tried to get him to reconsider because both teams would play PG and should compete. I let my son decide from then on out 100% which team to play for. Both of those teams had bad coaches, players leaving and not returning to the teams after the season, big time fall outs. Parents would tell us boy you guys dodged a bullet. So I know my son can read people very well. I on the other hand give them the benefit of the doubt and make mental notes about whats going on. Thanks for listening
Per bold above, this is making my point. You just might be hurting your son in ways that you don't realize. However, and make no mistake, coaches notice subtle things about loyalty and players either buying into their system or not. After school today, we had a parent (dad) who wanted to stop by for a "brief meeting." It caught me off guard since I don't do these "brief meetings." We had open gym and I was not there since I had a family obligation I had to take care of. This dad "would appreciate it" if during open gyms, his child not be forced to do the things the other players are doing since he doesn't agree with the drill work. As with most programs, the seniors set up various drills from a list of drills posted during the high school system. We have a place by our cages with drills and explanations of drills posted that is up all year around for those who sneak up there to use the cage. Further, this dad wanted me to know that he realizes that we have good intent but ... Some of you might recall that something similar happened last year but that dad actually asked for a formal meeting. My solution both last year and this is the same. Basically, I appreciate the heads up and they should seriously think about investing in training while the others are playing high school ball. Perhaps the OP needs to think about this. As many of you might recall, I posed the question last year asking why someone would allow their child to play for someone that they think doesn't know the game and one of which improperly coach their child. It is that simple. Opt out.
Come on coach you know it's not that simple. A kid can want very badly to play with his high school buddies and represent his school without feeling the coaching instructions are in his best interest. I always talked to my pitchers. Ultimately I let them choose their own path. It's their career or lack thereof not mine. We would look at video. I would say what I saw. Listen to them about what they saw. Show grips but not demand that's what they use. It's just plain stupid for instance for anpitchimg coach to make every pitcher in the program throw a circle change. Maybe a kid has a different grip that works great with his hands and arm slot and delivery in general. Again I am not going back and reading all this stuff so I don't know what the OP's rep gripe is. But I think you would really agree that my way or the highway also isn't the way to go.
... and that is what is great about our various coaching styles. You get to run your program as you want and the same with me. Personally, I know how to win. I know what it takes per fundamentals, drill work, ... I am not someone who will let the players dictate to me what they will do in order for me to have the pleasure of having them on the team. I won't allow the parents to tell me what we are going to do as well. I can't imagine a successful system where 18 players with 18 agendas with 36 parents or more tell the coach what to do in practice.
BTW, of course pitchers have different pitches and way to throw. However, I have a system that the pitchers will work within. They won't be telling me that they don't believe in the band work or plyo ball work or ... Each to their own I guess. Again, it is really easy for me to help the OP. Remove your child if you don't like what the coach is doing. As a parent, you'll save your child from the idiot coach and as a coach, I won't be asked to compromise on what I believe to be the best program I can possible run.
I think that's sad. I am an old guy and understand very well the hard ass attitude of most coaches. And also know how to win. But it's not YOUR program. It's the school's. It's the kids. They were there before you and will be there after you. I sincerely suggest some perspective.
2020dad posted:I am an old guy and understand very well the hard ass attitude of most coaches.
I'm not so sure you do. Coach isn't being a hard-ass; he's being firm.
I think that's sad. I am an old guy and understand very well the hard ass attitude of most coaches. And also know how to win. But it's not YOUR program. It's the school's. It's the kids. They were there before you and will be there after you. I sincerely suggest some perspective.
Amen. Coaches do come and go. So kids should change everything from one year to the next if a new coach is hired? To pretend there aren’t bad coaches is naive. To think some programs aren’t winning in spite of the Coach is naive. Im sure most coaches have good intentions but if it’s not broke, don’t fix it just to have your mark of to show it’s your way or the highway. Example: if a kid is committed to a top 25 program for hitting, you probably don’t need to change his swing... but it happens. And people say if you don’t like it leave? Come on.
At the risk of sending this thread onward for three more pages, on the topic of high school stats, see the bottom of this page from a D1 recruiting coordinator: https://files.armssoftware.com/2030580/9a9d759d0619
My son's HS keeps their stats in the dugout (not a public gamechanger) and hands them out at the baseball banquet at the end of the season. My son definitely had college coaches ask for his stats.
2020dad posted:CoachB25 posted:2020dad posted:CoachB25 posted:BBDAD98 posted:You guys are all correct, there is no way possible the coach is bad or done these things and I am not being honest. I will say this before I go. My son has had good coaches, bad coaches, hard coaches and easy coaches. But there were two potential times he tried out for a team, and these were suppose to be good teams with good players that we knew and my son grew up with them in travel ball. These two teams had all paid coaches. This was two separate years at 14U and 15U. My son told me both times he didn't care if they offered him a spot or not he was not playing for those coaches and yes they offered him a spot. I didn't understand why at first and tried to get him to reconsider because both teams would play PG and should compete. I let my son decide from then on out 100% which team to play for. Both of those teams had bad coaches, players leaving and not returning to the teams after the season, big time fall outs. Parents would tell us boy you guys dodged a bullet. So I know my son can read people very well. I on the other hand give them the benefit of the doubt and make mental notes about whats going on. Thanks for listening
Per bold above, this is making my point. You just might be hurting your son in ways that you don't realize. However, and make no mistake, coaches notice subtle things about loyalty and players either buying into their system or not. After school today, we had a parent (dad) who wanted to stop by for a "brief meeting." It caught me off guard since I don't do these "brief meetings." We had open gym and I was not there since I had a family obligation I had to take care of. This dad "would appreciate it" if during open gyms, his child not be forced to do the things the other players are doing since he doesn't agree with the drill work. As with most programs, the seniors set up various drills from a list of drills posted during the high school system. We have a place by our cages with drills and explanations of drills posted that is up all year around for those who sneak up there to use the cage. Further, this dad wanted me to know that he realizes that we have good intent but ... Some of you might recall that something similar happened last year but that dad actually asked for a formal meeting. My solution both last year and this is the same. Basically, I appreciate the heads up and they should seriously think about investing in training while the others are playing high school ball. Perhaps the OP needs to think about this. As many of you might recall, I posed the question last year asking why someone would allow their child to play for someone that they think doesn't know the game and one of which improperly coach their child. It is that simple. Opt out.
Come on coach you know it's not that simple. A kid can want very badly to play with his high school buddies and represent his school without feeling the coaching instructions are in his best interest. I always talked to my pitchers. Ultimately I let them choose their own path. It's their career or lack thereof not mine. We would look at video. I would say what I saw. Listen to them about what they saw. Show grips but not demand that's what they use. It's just plain stupid for instance for anpitchimg coach to make every pitcher in the program throw a circle change. Maybe a kid has a different grip that works great with his hands and arm slot and delivery in general. Again I am not going back and reading all this stuff so I don't know what the OP's rep gripe is. But I think you would really agree that my way or the highway also isn't the way to go.
... and that is what is great about our various coaching styles. You get to run your program as you want and the same with me. Personally, I know how to win. I know what it takes per fundamentals, drill work, ... I am not someone who will let the players dictate to me what they will do in order for me to have the pleasure of having them on the team. I won't allow the parents to tell me what we are going to do as well. I can't imagine a successful system where 18 players with 18 agendas with 36 parents or more tell the coach what to do in practice.
BTW, of course pitchers have different pitches and way to throw. However, I have a system that the pitchers will work within. They won't be telling me that they don't believe in the band work or plyo ball work or ... Each to their own I guess. Again, it is really easy for me to help the OP. Remove your child if you don't like what the coach is doing. As a parent, you'll save your child from the idiot coach and as a coach, I won't be asked to compromise on what I believe to be the best program I can possible run.
I think that's sad. I am an old guy and understand very well the hard ass attitude of most coaches. And also know how to win. But it's not YOUR program. It's the school's. It's the kids. They were there before you and will be there after you. I sincerely suggest some perspective.
I agree but I can understand a coach saying my way or highway.
A big company CEO doesn't own the company either but he isn't told how to run the company. You let him do it is way and if he doesn't succeed you fire him.
I think a head coach is similar. You don't micro manage every single of his steps but you let him work and judge the overall product. I will allow a lot of individuality but I too absolutely can't Stand being micro managed.
Either you like the overall product of a coach or you fire him.
Still I think modern coaches should listen to arguments and be open to change. But if he isn't it is not the parents job to change him, either you like the overall product or you don't.
Ok, I know I've posted this before....but watch this.....go t 6:30 in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4QSddCTQo4
This guy is from my small hometown. I coached his kid on our local teams in 6th-8th grades. He was a nut....but I'll admit that some of this is staged...he's not that much of a nut BUT....everyone in our town...and every town around us saw this and thought he was EXACTLY that guy. The guy really never gave me much grief...I was good to his kid and I knew a lot more about baseball than he did. His kid was very good as a 12 year old...and played on a really good travel team. 4 years and 4 travel teams later (because of dad of course), he wasn't playing travel anymore. Ended up being a decent HS player and never went further. Nice kid (loved having him on my teams)...and a friend of my son's...but I think he just got tired of dealing with dad. FYI...dad thought our HS coach was awful....but his son didn't show that attitude at all. Did whatever he was asked to do.
Dominic, thanks for your thoughts on that. Pretty much what the coach says.
smokeminside posted:Coach B 25—how do you handle kids who have outside instructors whose ideas differ from yours, especially swing mechanics? Ongoing issue between some of our parents and the head coach. Thx.
I've been on the record for a very long time saying that if it isn't broken, I won't try to fix it. The drills we do should reinforce what I consider to be a high level swing. Therefore, regardless of what some instructor teaches in the swing, the player should benefit from the drills we do in practice. Pitching is the same way. However, when that player experiences failure and refuses to make the changes that I see that they need, I'll play another. One example recently, there was a "stud player" according to the parents who started out 0-28 and was not hip to change. Great. We had another who took over and didn't lose that starting spot. Simply put, the best play and so, whatever you have your child do and listen to, you need to make sure that you are actually getting what you are paying for. I've coached HS for 33 years and been a part of some state championship teams and some nationally ranked teams. I was chosen, back in the day, to introduce baseball into the former Soviet Union. I know what I am doing. I have never hidden my opinion that any parent who doesn't like what the HS coach does, remove your child. That was my opinion my first year and that is my opinion this year. JMHO!
2020dad posted:CoachB25 posted:2020dad posted:CoachB25 posted:BBDAD98 posted:You guys are all correct, there is no way possible the coach is bad or done these things and I am not being honest. I will say this before I go. My son has had good coaches, bad coaches, hard coaches and easy coaches. But there were two potential times he tried out for a team, and these were suppose to be good teams with good players that we knew and my son grew up with them in travel ball. These two teams had all paid coaches. This was two separate years at 14U and 15U. My son told me both times he didn't care if they offered him a spot or not he was not playing for those coaches and yes they offered him a spot. I didn't understand why at first and tried to get him to reconsider because both teams would play PG and should compete. I let my son decide from then on out 100% which team to play for. Both of those teams had bad coaches, players leaving and not returning to the teams after the season, big time fall outs. Parents would tell us boy you guys dodged a bullet. So I know my son can read people very well. I on the other hand give them the benefit of the doubt and make mental notes about whats going on. Thanks for listening
Per bold above, this is making my point. You just might be hurting your son in ways that you don't realize. However, and make no mistake, coaches notice subtle things about loyalty and players either buying into their system or not. After school today, we had a parent (dad) who wanted to stop by for a "brief meeting." It caught me off guard since I don't do these "brief meetings." We had open gym and I was not there since I had a family obligation I had to take care of. This dad "would appreciate it" if during open gyms, his child not be forced to do the things the other players are doing since he doesn't agree with the drill work. As with most programs, the seniors set up various drills from a list of drills posted during the high school system. We have a place by our cages with drills and explanations of drills posted that is up all year around for those who sneak up there to use the cage. Further, this dad wanted me to know that he realizes that we have good intent but ... Some of you might recall that something similar happened last year but that dad actually asked for a formal meeting. My solution both last year and this is the same. Basically, I appreciate the heads up and they should seriously think about investing in training while the others are playing high school ball. Perhaps the OP needs to think about this. As many of you might recall, I posed the question last year asking why someone would allow their child to play for someone that they think doesn't know the game and one of which improperly coach their child. It is that simple. Opt out.
Come on coach you know it's not that simple. A kid can want very badly to play with his high school buddies and represent his school without feeling the coaching instructions are in his best interest. I always talked to my pitchers. Ultimately I let them choose their own path. It's their career or lack thereof not mine. We would look at video. I would say what I saw. Listen to them about what they saw. Show grips but not demand that's what they use. It's just plain stupid for instance for anpitchimg coach to make every pitcher in the program throw a circle change. Maybe a kid has a different grip that works great with his hands and arm slot and delivery in general. Again I am not going back and reading all this stuff so I don't know what the OP's rep gripe is. But I think you would really agree that my way or the highway also isn't the way to go.
... and that is what is great about our various coaching styles. You get to run your program as you want and the same with me. Personally, I know how to win. I know what it takes per fundamentals, drill work, ... I am not someone who will let the players dictate to me what they will do in order for me to have the pleasure of having them on the team. I won't allow the parents to tell me what we are going to do as well. I can't imagine a successful system where 18 players with 18 agendas with 36 parents or more tell the coach what to do in practice.
BTW, of course pitchers have different pitches and way to throw. However, I have a system that the pitchers will work within. They won't be telling me that they don't believe in the band work or plyo ball work or ... Each to their own I guess. Again, it is really easy for me to help the OP. Remove your child if you don't like what the coach is doing. As a parent, you'll save your child from the idiot coach and as a coach, I won't be asked to compromise on what I believe to be the best program I can possible run.
I think that's sad. I am an old guy and understand very well the hard ass attitude of most coaches. And also know how to win. But it's not YOUR program. It's the school's. It's the kids. They were there before you and will be there after you. I sincerely suggest some perspective.
I absolutely disagree. It is my program. I am the one who will be fired if we fail. The school has turned that program over to me to see as I feel fit. I don't go through anyone for what I do in games, how I run practice nor how I spend my money. In the event that I don't produce, I expect to be fired. I don't coach a team. IMO, that is the problem with a lot of schools and HC. They want to coach a team when they should be building a program. Every assistant coach that I have had have been hand chosen. The district saw fit to hire them. That is how you take an also-ran team and turn it into a highly respected area power.
I should end with the above paragraph but I'll add must a little more. Why would you expect me to concede my experience and success and turn my program over to the whims of others? That expert most likely hasn't had half of the experience I have. That expert most likely was in diapers long after I started. From the days of the hitting wars to now, I have been involved in and kept up with all of the changes wrt hitting. I keep up on all of the latest things wrt pitching. I'm not stagnant. Finally, it is my name on that program. I won't concede my responsibilities and turn into a supervisor.
Edited to add:
Regarding the "hard ass" comment, I run a tight ship but am not a "hard ass" per your impressions. In fact, I have won the "post popular teacher" award for so many years in a row that the school no longer gives out the award. I've had dozens of kids go on to play professionally. I've had dozens more go on to great baseball schools. We've won a bunch of games. If it didn't work, maybe I'd take a different stance.
No need to quote previous posts in your reply..the last one took an enormous amount of bandwidth and makes viewing nearly impossible on a phone for others...thank you.
CatcherDadNY posted:No need to quote previous posts in your reply..the last one took an enormous amount of bandwidth and makes viewing nearly impossible on a phone for others...thank you.
In my experience, it is important to keep things in context. Thus the quotes. I don't use a smart phone. I'll do better. Well, not really, I don't post much anymore because I've seem to have become controversial. It works better if I just assist once in a while as a moderator and read. Back in the days when Bob Howdeshell created this site and I joined a couple of years after, there were a lot more coaches like me. LOL
CoachB25 posted:In my experience, it is important to keep things in context. Thus the quotes. I don't use a smart phone. I'll do better. Well, not really, I don't post much anymore because I've seem to have become controversial. It works better if I just assist once in a while as a moderator and read.
Quoting is good, just don't do a super multi quote with 7 posts and quote only the last 1-2.
I wonder how many posters here know who Bob Howdeshell is.
RJM posted:I wonder how many posters here know who Bob Howdeshell is.
Chief cook and bottle washer! LOL
CoachB25, that just put a smile on my face! 😊