My son is a 2020 that is recovering from injury.  Prior to the injury, he had several D1 offers (summer prior to Soph year).  He did not commit due to injury.  He missed his whole Soph year.  He played this spring and is playing this summer but has yet to completely regain his form or velocity.  He is improving each outing but its evident that he would benefit from more time.  He is getting some interest now (from Mid-Majors) but all are waiting for his velocity to climb it seems.  He will likely get about 10-12 more innings of pitching for the rest of the summer travel season (he's a PO on a competitive team).  If his velocity doesn't improve it is very likely he will not have any offers by the end of the summer.   Does the community have any examples of players getting offers after the large fall national tournament?  Offers as late as spring of senior year?   In the case of no attractive offers, my son is considering a Post Graduate year over JUCO, trying to walk on to a school he gets in on his own, or reclassifying.  does anyone have any experience in any of these scenarios? 

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I personaly know players who got D1 offers summer before starting college. 1 son got NAIA and juco  offers after graduation. So it does happen. One question that needs to be answered is how he progresses this year and can he get  back to D1 form. Is he willing to look at other levels and NAIA or only D1? Why post grad over juco? Has he considered looking into a red shirt or part time status thus not impacting eligibilty?  Good luck

There are several kids who played in my son's HS league who got offers in the Spring of senior year, but most of them were the lowest tier of D1s.  There are examples of walk ons being added in the Fall of the first year in college, but those are rare and it is a tough role to come out of.

It does not sound like your son is considering anything below D1, but if he is, there are plenty of positions open at the other levels throughout his senior year.  And there are some later showcases in Fall for him to sign up and show what he has got (Showball, AZ Senior, Headfirst if he is academic) for these schools.

You did not describe what type of arm injury he had.  My son knows one kid who the school stuck with through TJ and he was pitching well by his second year in college.  However, if it is a labrum or shoulder issue, there is usually much less interest in committing players with those.

The key now is for your son to decide what he really envisions his college experience to be, baseball or no baseball.

Thank you for your responses.  He had TJS.  34 innings into recovery.  He would consider D2 or D3 but his initial targets would be higher academic which he may not qualify for.  Also, i think it would be hard mentally to go from P5 offers to D3 prior to recovering fully.  He's looking at PG over JUCO mainly due to improving his athletic and academic profile and maintaining eligibility.  He envisions baseball to be part of his college experience.  

A couple more thoughts based on your follow-up confirming TJS:

Is he working with any particular pitching-focused program like a Driveline or a facility that adopted a similar approach that focuses on getting the most velocity out of improving mechanics and physical training?  If not, look into what options may be in the area and ask any college coaches who they recommend he work with.  And obviously having had TJS, coaches will gain more confidence that he is working on his mechanics to avoid the stress on the elbow that could recur otherwise if he reverts back.

If you have already seen some velocity improvement, it might make sense to do a PG event now, get his velo marked, and then do another in Oct or Nov.  If he gains even 2 MPH that will evidence progress that a coach can rely on to project continued improvement by the time he arrives on campus.  There would be still time in his Senior year to attract interest, particularly for schools that lose some kids to the draft, don't make grades, etc.  Those PG player pages now track velocity improvement and he can send the link to schools he is pursuing.

Also, look into a way to get to the AZ Fall Senior classic.  That is a heavily attended event by coaches from all over the country scouting uncommitted seniors (including some D1s).  Even better if he could qualify for the Academic Showcase--there were literally 100 schools watching tryouts and the game. If your son is up to 85+ by then, there is a strong chance he gets selected to play in the game (my son did based on hitting 86 several times in the tryout and did well to attract a lot of interest). 

Finally, the higher level travel ball team coach should be able to keep his ears open for schools still looking for pitching.  If he has an option to pitch into the Fall time period, even better.  Some schools even have camps in the Fall that would offer another chance to be scene.  My son's appearance at the late Summer camp sealed the deal for him after several prior expressions of interest.  Maybe those schools that liked your son years ago will rekindle their interest.

Good luck.

I think the fall will be his time. Make sure he is on a team for PG tournaments Ft. Meyers and Jupiter (most important) - assuming he will be in the 87+ range and not 83ish. 2019 saw 3 seniors get added to his P5 recruiting class after those two tournaments. And they are from the opposite side of the country without any prior contact to coaches. 

You mention that he is with a competitive program. The coach should be selling that to colleges -Yeah he's just recovering from TJ, I fully expect him to be at this level in a few months. That also could be what is happening and some schools are just waiting until he's back to normal to get serious. 

As far as the PG route goes, your son is also another injury away from the whole thing being a bust. I get it, but you have to think if it's worth the boarding school tuition for the same thing to happen. Don't forget, coaches don't exactly love 20 yr old freshmen. 

Spring pickups at the D1 level are very rare and typically don't include money. The good news is that you know where you expect him to be. I would finish out the summer and use August to hit camps and get back to 100%. For now I would be looking for a team that hits Ft. Meyers and Jupiter. He will get attention there if he's with the right guys. 

 

We had a kid on our hs team who missed his entire junior year due to injury.  He committed during Fall ball of his senior year to a P5 and this last year got several innings as a freshman.  I think his Velo was back up to 87-89 when he committed.  Another kid in our district was out most of his junior year and didn't sign with the original P5 he had committed with.  He signed the spring of his senior year with the same P5 as the kid from our school last year.  It happens,

Backstop22 posted:

A couple more thoughts based on your follow-up confirming TJS:

Is he working with any particular pitching-focused program like a Driveline or a facility that adopted a similar approach that focuses on getting the most velocity out of improving mechanics and physical training?  If not, look into what options may be in the area and ask any college coaches who they recommend he work with.  And obviously having had TJS, coaches will gain more confidence that he is working on his mechanics to avoid the stress on the elbow that could recur otherwise if he reverts back.

If you have already seen some velocity improvement, it might make sense to do a PG event now, get his velo marked, and then do another in Oct or Nov.  If he gains even 2 MPH that will evidence progress that a coach can rely on to project continued improvement by the time he arrives on campus.  There would be still time in his Senior year to attract interest, particularly for schools that lose some kids to the draft, don't make grades, etc.  Those PG player pages now track velocity improvement and he can send the link to schools he is pursuing.

Also, look into a way to get to the AZ Fall Senior classic.  That is a heavily attended event by coaches from all over the country scouting uncommitted seniors (including some D1s).  Even better if he could qualify for the Academic Showcase--there were literally 100 schools watching tryouts and the game. If your son is up to 85+ by then, there is a strong chance he gets selected to play in the game (my son did based on hitting 86 several times in the tryout and did well to attract a lot of interest). 

Finally, the higher level travel ball team coach should be able to keep his ears open for schools still looking for pitching.  If he has an option to pitch into the Fall time period, even better.  Some schools even have camps in the Fall that would offer another chance to be scene.  My son's appearance at the late Summer camp sealed the deal for him after several prior expressions of interest.  Maybe those schools that liked your son years ago will rekindle their interest.

Good luck.

Ditto on the Arizona Senior Fall Classic in October. This is an exceptional tournament for recruitment. Attached is a list of all the schools that were there last year.

If your son can qualify for the Academic Game Try-Outs, here is the info to register (do it early): https://azfallclassic.com/all-academic-game/. If his team is not playing in the tournament, he can attend the Try-Outs as an individual or try to get on a team. The tournament is played in a "showcase" format.

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Thank you for your responses.  He had TJS.  34 innings into recovery.  He would consider D2 or D3 but his initial targets would be higher academic which he may not qualify for.  Also, i think it would be hard mentally to go from P5 offers to D3 prior to recovering fully.  He's looking at PG over JUCO mainly due to improving his athletic and academic profile and maintaining eligibility.  He envisions baseball to be part of his college experience.  

Is the MLB draft a possibility?  I hate to even ask, because it was the furthest thing from our minds at the time of college recruiting.  But taking a PG year could be a disadvantage at draft time.  He will be older.   This is important.

Since it is public knowledge, I am going to give a specific example....David Parkinson. 

I am not sure of the exact reasons, but for his first year he went to a NJCAA college, Florence-Darlington.  He performed well and went to 'Ol Miss the next two years and was drafted as a junior.  He is in rocketing through the ranks and is in AA ball now.  http://www.thebaseballcube.com...rofile.asp?ID=200784

 

MLB draft is not a possibility for him without a PG year.  So in his case, the PG year would be an advantage for the draft, although as you mentioned, not a consideration right now.  and frankly, even with a PG year, it is still a distant possibility.  i am not sure, but does a PG year change his draft eligibility in College?  a year early or is it the standard junior year?  i see the advantages of a juco for those that are considering the draft... but i also know a few examples of players being drafted after their PG year...

GloFisher posted:

i am not sure, but does a PG year change his draft eligibility in College?  a year early or is it the standard junior year?

"College players, from four-year colleges who have either completed their junior or senior years or are at least 21 years old"

I agree that Jupiter is probably his last good opportunity to find a home. That gives him almost 3 more months of recovery time. The odds will drop off after that, but he still has a chance to get offers for another 4-6 months. Scholarship money is definitely limited at that point. Next spring you will have to ask yourself if another year is going to make a significant difference in his velocity.

If he really needs another year, and juco is off the table, then think about a PG year vs a gap year. Is the PG year going to help with college admissions? If not, maybe a gap year with intense training makes more sense. I don't know how much lead time for PG admissions. You really don't have to make a decision about a gap year until May.

I think I would stay the course on the traditional route, with the PG or gap year as Plan B. Don't let up on academics, applying to colleges, or training. Reevaluate after Jupiter and again in March if necessary. Good luck.

GloFisher posted:

MLB draft is not a possibility for him without a PG year.  So in his case, the PG year would be an advantage for the draft, although as you mentioned, not a consideration right now.  and frankly, even with a PG year, it is still a distant possibility.  i am not sure, but does a PG year change his draft eligibility in College?  a year early or is it the standard junior year?  i see the advantages of a juco for those that are considering the draft... but i also know a few examples of players being drafted after their PG year...

I was thinking MLB draft in college, not high school.   But to answer your question, he could get drafted as a sophomore in college if he is 21.   Many times it is late round pick, so those sophomores stick around another year for college ball.  FWIW, I know a player that did a PG year.  Performed very well in his D1 college.  Got drafted after senior year for a dollar amount "equal to a flight ticket home".  After one season, he saw where he stood against all the 21 year olds and younger foreign guys and retired.  

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