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Now to refute the ignorant comments:quote:Originally posted by zombywoof:
Another superstar ran out of Boston.
Red Sox are done now and Yankees will conquer the AL East now that Manny's with Sleepy Joe.
Would've like to see the Yankees get him to fill their LF and big bat need but trading him out of the league to a team who don't appear to be much of a threat to make a world series run is the next best thing.
Dogging it on the field is not entertaining. Manny started dogging it to force a trade. That's his level of maturity and professionalism.quote:Originally posted by LLorton:
Manny doesn't realize it yet but he is a lot better off on the West Coast. Teams that don't appreciate talent with a personality don't understand that keeps the team loose. Clowning around is part of baseball, if you don't believe that watch what happens at almost every ball park in between innings with the mascots, the parodies and whinnie races.
It's all about entertaining the fans, that the new paradigm in baseball is "SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT". The old grumps want the fans to sit on their hands and pretend to be soooo polite. That's garbage. Long ago fans use to really get envolved with their teams and voiced their approval and disapproval vociferously.
Now you go to a ball park and you'd think you are at the cemetery its so quiet. Baseball has changed so much since I played as I kid I don't bother going to the games anymore. Rather watch it on TV in my house where I can scream yell and shout appreciative when I see a good play and derogatorily when it is warranted.
The peeps in L.A. will welcome Manny Ramirez with open arms, and the Dodgers now have a chance to win it all. Why, because Manny now has a reason to kick some a*ss just like Jackie Robinson did.
JMO
quote:Manny doesn't realize it yet but he is a lot better off on the West Coast. Teams that don't appreciate talent with a personality don't understand that keeps the team loose. Clowning around is part of baseball, if you don't believe that watch what happens at almost every ball park in between innings with the mascots, the parodies and whinnie races.
It's all about entertaining the fans, that the new paradigm in baseball is "SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT". The old grumps want the fans to sit on their hands and pretend to be soooo polite. That's garbage.
quote:Long ago fans use to really get envolved with their teams and voiced their approval and disapproval vociferously.
Now you go to a ball park and you'd think you are at the cemetery its so quiet.
quote:You've never neen to, or watched, a game at Fenway, Yankee Stadium, or any other big market East Coast team if you're making that statement.
quote:Originally posted by Coach May:
There comes a time that the baggage a player brings with him out weighs the good he brings on the field. In Manny's case in the batters box. You can bet that the players in that club house had some say in this move including the Manager. They have their two WS rings. The pressure is off. In the long run they will be better off without his distractions imo. I know many will disagree with me on this that is fine. But they are better off with Bay and the loss of the distraction that Manny was.
quote:Originally posted by zombywoof:
Another superstar ran out of Boston.
Red Sox are done now and Yankees will conquer the AL East now that Manny's with Sleepy Joe.
Would've like to see the Yankees get him to fill their LF and big bat need but trading him out of the league to a team who don't appear to be much of a threat to make a world series run is the next best thing.
quote:Originally posted by zombywoof:
Another superstar ran out of Boston.
Red Sox are done now and Yankees will conquer the AL East now that Manny's with Sleepy Joe.
Would've like to see the Yankees get him to fill their LF and big bat need but trading him out of the league to a team who don't appear to be much of a threat to make a world series run is the next best thing.
quote:What's amazing to me is two great players, and it seems to me the sports writers are in cahoots with the MLB is in the process of trying to destroy both of these players career legacy's.
quote:Originally posted by LLorton:
Manny now realizes how Barry Bonds felt... Only true baseball knowledgeable fans understand the value of the 5 tool talent that Bonds and the Ramariz's represent to the a team.
JMO
quote:Originally posted by infielddad:quote:Originally posted by LLorton:
Manny now realizes how Barry Bonds felt... Only true baseball knowledgeable fans understand the value of the 5 tool talent that Bonds and the Ramariz's represent to the a team.
JMO
LL, My impression of the ultimate 5 tool players are Aaron Mays and Clemente. When I hear of 5 tools, I immediately compare to their skills.
I fully agree with you that Bonds was a 5 tool player, both before and after the body reformation. Some are going to say he did not have a plus arm. While that was true, he had such a quick and accurate release and took such good angles to balls, that he more that made up for the strength part. He would have been exposed in right field by his arm but he was not a right fielder and should not be graded on a position he did not play.
Bonds measured on all his tools with Mays/Clemente/Aaron grades well in each tool.
Manny grades well in hitting and hitting for power. But you will never confuse his arm, defense, base running or speed with Aaron, Clemente and Mays. In fact, to suggest he has tools on par with those three when it comes to running/defense/arm is an insult to the tools of Aaron and Clemente and Mays.
With that said, the Red Sox did not get equal value, which is their choice. Their management decisions do not take away from Manny being one of the great hitters of all time. But it also does not make his other 3 tools anything other than average, at best.
Personally, I don't think comparing Manny to Bonds is fair either...to Bonds.
quote:Originally posted by Coachric:
The Yankees will not be dumb enough to give another aging former star too much money...
quote:Originally posted by trojan-skipper:
I gaurantee you Terry Francona just feels like a load of BS got lifted off his back.
quote:You guys don't get it...
quote:If you don't understand that concept go to the 49er dynasties under Di Bartolo where he flew his teams in private first class accomodation lavished them with large bonuses and gave them extra incentives to do well. After 5 Super Bowls I got the point. So did the NFL and they went about instituting the cap and all the other garbage that has made the NFL one level just above college ball...but nothing to get excited about anymore.
quote:Who the he*ll is Schilling
quote:Being fiscally responsible is more about treating your players with respect especially those that have contributed so much to your organization, and resigning them based on the remaining worth and value to their potential contribution.
quote:snake-in-the-grass like Schilling
quote:Just pick up his salary and he's yours.
Yet, not one single team stepped to the plate. That speaks volumes.
According to the Boston papers even Manny's clubhouse friends turned on him and suggested to management he be traded. The rest of the team wanted him gone long ago.quote:Originally posted by Coach May:
There comes a time that the baggage a player brings with him out weighs the good he brings on the field. In Manny's case in the batters box. You can bet that the players in that club house had some say in this move including the Manager. They have their two WS rings. The pressure is off. In the long run they will be better off without his distractions imo. I know many will disagree with me on this that is fine. But they are better off with Bay and the loss of the distraction that Manny was.
Manny couldn't catch a cold. He never could. Accurate throwing arm! Give me a bleep,n break. Why do you think he played left? He was awful in right in Cleveland. Manny could hit and hit for power, period. He's one of the great clutch hitters in baseball.quote:Originally posted by LLorton:
TPM
Out of respect for the coach I deleted the question.
Bonds and Ramariz are 5 tool players. They can hit for power, hit for average, can steal a base, field their position, and have strong accurate throwing arms.
but that's JMO
Manny couldn't catch a cold. His arm is weak. He's scary on the base paths. The man is a hitter. He's one of the best clutch hitters ever. That's all.quote:Originally posted by LLorton:
TPM
Out of respect for the coach I deleted the question.
Bonds and Ramariz are 5 tool players. They can hit for power, hit for average, can steal a base, field their position, and have strong accurate throwing arms.
but that's JMO
Manny was threatening to sit out the remainder of the season. He did it once before. What numbers would he have put up not playing?quote:Originally posted by LLorton:
Both players OBP around .450, Slug% around .600 amd fielding at 98%. That's All-star caliber quality. Hitting over .300 and last time I checked stolen base % is a function of situation and called by the coaches. The NL plays a different game with no DH that impacts Ramirez's numbers.
What's amazing to me is two great players, and it seems to me the sports writers are in cahoots with the MLB is in the process of trying to destroy both of these players career legacy's.
For those of you who think Jason Bay is going to be better for the Sox put this stat in your calculation...As ESPN reports Jason Bay though stats very comparable to Ramirez for 2008 season but not close with runners in scoring position BA .219. Ramirez BA with runners in scoring position .309 I think the Dodgers will gain ground and the Sox won't make the playoffs this season.
Heard comments by Curt Schilling about Ramirez and he went into everything about the man except what's important in baseball...can he play, and is he a winner. Curt Schilling just show'd me something that tell's me why the Sox are not a good organization. Who the he*ll is Schilling to be judging anyone, the big phony!!!
Welcome to the Dodgers, Manny
JMO
Wow! With the five tool argument I thought you were just ignorant about baseball. This comment proves you're stupid. Bay has made the all-star team twice in the last four years. He's averaging .280, 30, 100 over the same time. No, he's not Manny. But in the Sox lineup he could put up some big numbers.quote:Originally posted by LLorton:
No wonder they had to go for a loser like Jason Bay.
quote:Originally posted by trojan-skipper:
I think Sox-Nation is going to love Jason Bay.
The guy has hit in a lineup with no protection. Now he will have JD Drew, Lowell, and or Ortiz to help him and Ellsbury and Coco to set the table... his numbers could very well go up. Manny will not have those studs to help him...
Manny got himself traded but he also cut his prospects for next year way down because a lot of GMs don't want to put up with this baloney. Can you blame them? Also, nobody wants to give that last contract that can be a bust. I think ManRam just jobbed himself out of a lot of dough that would have come his way if he would have played hard this year. ... but that would have been kissing up to the man I guess.
Anyone judging a player's career on two at-bats is a dope. I'm thinking LL is a troll just trying to flame the board.quote:Originally posted by LLorton:
Jason Bay 0 fer 2 with a BB and 2 K's with a RUN Scored, BA .000 inauspicious start to say the least.
Not like Willie McCovey who hit the first pitch he saw as a SF Giant into the right field seats.
Maybe Manny's antics are looking more like how he kept himself loose so he could hit under pressure and not choke like Jason Bay is doing tonight.
JMO
Manny isn't an underdog. He's a Hall of Fame hitter who turned into a dog by letting down his teammates.quote:Originally posted by LLorton:
TPM said: Chill out.
Just having some fun...
Everybody's been beating up on Manny and I have aways stood up for the underdog or the downtrodding. It just part of my nature as a Leo.
JMO
quote:Originally posted by LLorton:
TPM said: Chill out.
Just having some fun...
Everybody's been beating up on Manny and I have aways stood up for the underdog or the downtrodding. It just part of my nature as a Leo.
JMO
quote:Originally posted by wayback:
Jaaaaason Bayyyyy....triple in the bottom of the 12th. And....he scored 2 runs in a 2-1 12 inning win.
Welcome to the big stage (where the fans show up before the game and stay the til the end).
quote:Only took the guy 12 innings to get a hit...
quote:Originally posted by FutureBack.Mom:
Yesterday I heard something funny about the trade, and I thought it was during a mid-game interview between Vin Scully and Fred McCourt but I can't remember for sure ... but whoever was involved, the interviewer asked the guest about Joe Torre's thoughts on the subject of ManRam coming to LA, and the guest said "Torre is hoping the National League initiates the DH ..."