@d-mac posted:Talked to a current player at the JUCO my son will attend and he said only four Sophomore players are moving on as of now. That really surprised me. Is that how it is going to be at most JUCO's?
Can you provide me the name of the school? You can PM it to me.
@cabbagedad posted:I know NAIA is a bit of a different animal but I ran across a Christian NAIA in Oklahoma (decent program) where all nine seniors have elected to return. They rely heavily on JC transfers and players from the Dominican and other Latin American players.
Cabbage, can you PM me the school. I would like to review their history in the system.
Junior college sophomores who are planning to return to their JUCO for a 3rd year since this past season was cut so short need to really be aware of the academic requirements to be eligible when they move on to an NCAA program, especially at the Division I level.
Juco athletes and families considering that option may want to consider contacting us for a consultation to review all of those academic requirements that they will have to satisfy to be eligible upon transfer to the four-year college level.
@Rick at Informed Athlete posted:Junior college sophomores who are planning to return to their JUCO for a 3rd year since this past season was cut so short need to really be aware of the academic requirements to be eligible when they move on to an NCAA program, especially at the Division I level.
Juco athletes and families considering that option may want to consider contacting us for a consultation to review all of those academic requirements that they will have to satisfy to be eligible upon transfer to the four-year college level.
This is very sound advice. If this applies to your situation I would do what Rick is suggesting.
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@d-mac My son, after red shirting his freshman year at CSUN transferred to a JC. He's returning even though academic scheduling will be tight. Very few of the sophomores are returning. Almost all of them are moving on to four year schools.
So, root, jr. will be in his third year of school and hasn't used a year of eligibility yet. Strange times.
Does anyone have an updated Transfer Portal list?
@adbono posted:This is very sound advice. If this applies to your situation I would do what Rick is suggesting.
I second this... the transfer requirement target moves significantly when a third year of JC is chosen and a Juco player really needs to know what's up or he can easily find himself unable to make the immediate jump to a 4-yr program. And, he needs to keep in mind that he has most likely already delayed the process of completing college by one year.
Here is current transfer portal list
Question.... why would a D1 transfer to a D1 ... dont they have to sit out a year ?
@c2019 posted:Question.... why would a D1 transfer to a D1 ... dont they have to sit out a year ?
Yes, most will have to establish the "academic year in residence" (there are a few exceptions) at the new D1. The only alternative is one year of juco. Some guys would prefer to go directly to the new D1, get to know the new staff and teammates, and practice with the team for the off year. Getting the additional COVID year of eligibility might make that choice more palatable, too.
@MidAtlanticDad posted:Yes, most will have to establish the "academic year in residence" (there are a few exceptions) at the new D1. The only alternative is one year of juco. Some guys would prefer to go directly to the new D1, get to know the new staff and teammates, and practice with the team for the off year. Getting the additional COVID year of eligibility might make that choice more palatable, too.
I didn't think about sitting out a year but coupled with Covid year someone can transfer D1 to D1 and also complete graduate school. They would play baseball 4 of 6 years (well 4.2 of 6 years) and exit with a master's. Not a bad plan at all. Of course they need the dough.....
What do you think happens to most of these guys who are on the list when August rolls around and they have no where to go? I cannot imagine the old school taking them back after going in the portal. Are they done? I know many of the graduate guys are just wanting one more chance but what about the younger guys? Any experience? Do they spend the fall looking for somewhere or just enroll in a local school which may be too late by August?
PitchingFan raises some good questions. One point to keep in mind is that making a last-minute decision to enroll somewhere this Fall if it's not where an athlete wants to end up could have consequences on the athlete's future eligibility.
For example, if an athlete (in any sport) leaving a Division I program would choose to enroll at a junior college this Fall to live at home and save money, they would be triggering the "4-2-4" transfer rules which might negatively impact their eligibility at the next college that they attend depending upon various factors.
In a similar manner, there could be negative consequences if an athlete transfers from a D1 program to a D2 program this Fall as an "interim step" and then would move to another D2 program.
In most cases, there's no going back once an athlete enters the Transfer Portal. It all depends upon the coach.
@FriarFred posted:Here is current transfer portal list
Thanks for posting. I wonder if the D3 dropdowns are not listed because there is no NLI? Or because this is from D1 baseball and it's not on their radar? I have direct knowledge about one player who is not listed and have heard about a few others.
@PitchingFan posted:What do you think happens to most of these guys who are on the list when August rolls around and they have no where to go? I cannot imagine the old school taking them back after going in the portal. Are they done? I know many of the graduate guys are just wanting one more chance but what about the younger guys? Any experience? Do they spend the fall looking for somewhere or just enroll in a local school which may be too late by August?
This is an excellent point. The portal has a ton of names in it and only a small % are grad transfers. Undergrads in portal are trying to leave programs with no specific destination in mind. Rosters are full everywhere and in many cases there is no place for these kids to go. My bet is that over half of them won’t be playing anywhere in 2021. I would love to be wrong about that.
...only a small % are grad transfers.
Sorry to quible but it's almost 30%.
@JCG posted:...only a small % are grad transfers.
Sorry to quible but it's almost 30%.
Okay. Fair enough. But supply exceeds demand by a huge margin. That’s the point.
I agree with the rest of your post. The picture is bleak for these kids. Your estimate that 50% of the non-grads won't be playing may be too optimistic. As for the grads, I think most of these are just putting their toes in the water and very few will be playing.
@adbono posted:This is an excellent point. The portal has a ton of names in it and only a small % are grad transfers. Undergrads in portal are trying to leave programs with no specific destination in mind. Rosters are full everywhere and in many cases there is no place for these kids to go. My bet is that over half of them won’t be playing anywhere in 2021. I would love to be wrong about that.
Plus the trickle down affect. How many D2 and D3 rosters will add these D1 guys at the last minute (no roster limits) which means less playing time for the "recruited" kids.
NCAA will allow unlimited roster spots for 2021.
Does going to a D1 and redshirting become more appealing than going JUCO if you are a 2020?
"Unlimited roster spots" is not accurate. Only players who were in their final season of Division I eligibility during 2020 and will be returning to their same Division I team in 2021 will be allowed to count in excess of the standard 35-man roster limit.
d-mac, where is your source for unlimited roster spots in 2021? All that has been said by the NCAA is returning Seniors do not count against the 35 man roster. All coach comments that I have seen is they do not believe that there will be any more allowances on roster size from the NCAA.
@Rick at Informed Athlete posted:"Unlimited roster spots" is not accurate. Only players who were in their final season of Division I eligibility during 2020 and will be returning to their same Division I team in 2021 will be allowed to count in excess of the standard 35-man roster limit.
I do believe he was referencing D2 rosters and D1 transfers moving down to D2.
@TXsportsdad posted:d-mac, where is your source for unlimited roster spots in 2021? All that has been said by the NCAA is returning Seniors do not count against the 35 man roster. All coach comments that I have seen is they do not believe that there will be any more allowances on roster size from the NCAA.
Almost positive he was talking about D1's moving down to D2 and D3 with unlimited rosters at those levels.
Looking at the list and seeing who has landed, you can see that transferring possibilities are a lot more numerous for pitchers, than position players- especially those going grad route.
Sounds good.
roothog, that may be true, but if so why specifically say "for 2021." D2 has never had roster size limitations.
@JCG posted:Thanks for posting. I wonder if the D3 dropdowns are not listed because there is no NLI? Or because this is from D1 baseball and it's not on their radar? I have direct knowledge about one player who is not listed and have heard about a few others.
Even for D1s the portal has somewhat of a "lag" in posts. A Wofford transfer is now shown in the latest file. I read about his transfer on a front page of a local newspaper about a month ago.
@TXsportsdad posted:d-mac, where is your source for unlimited roster spots in 2021? All that has been said by the NCAA is returning Seniors do not count against the 35 man roster. All coach comments that I have seen is they do not believe that there will be any more allowances on roster size from the NCAA.
This was announced today. There is no roster limitation next year, and the annual counter has increased from 27 to 32, also the 25% minimum for scholarship is eliminated for next year.
@roothog66 posted:I do believe he was referencing D2 rosters and D1 transfers moving down to D2.
I was reading a post from Midatlantic dad and mistaking it for the one you're referencing:
"Plus the trickle down affect. How many D2 and D3 rosters will add these D1 guys at the last minute (no roster limits) which means less playing time for the "recruited" kids."
Looks as if this is true:
@Ripken Fan posted:Even for D1s the portal has somewhat of a "lag" in posts. A Wofford transfer is now shown in the latest file. I read about his transfer on a front page of a local newspaper about a month ago.
Some of the ones that are going in the portal now may have made the decision earlier. I know several guys at various schools that are not going back where they were but are waiting to enter the portal. Some are having conversations or discussions or feelers out there to find out where they fall. It is like recruiting all over again. If you couldn't compete like you wanted to in the pond you thought you were in where do you fall. If you were in a P5, do you go another P5, regular D1, mid-major, juco, or drop down. What pond should you be in ? For some, it is a rude awakening and takes a while to figure out.
The other issue for some that are just going into portal is summer ball. Many summer college leagues require you to be on a college roster to play and some require a certain level or a certain college. If you go in the portal, some of the leagues will drop you. So some are waiting to go in the portal until they start summer league or finish summer league.
I stand corrected. Hadn't seen the action taken by the NCAA that was just announced a couple of hours ago. The number of athletes in the transfer portal combined with seniors returning at their same school may have had something to do with that decision.
@PitchingFan posted:Some of the ones that are going in the portal now may have made the decision earlier. I know several guys at various schools that are not going back where they were but are waiting to enter the portal. Some are having conversations or discussions or feelers out there to find out where they fall. It is like recruiting all over again. If you couldn't compete like you wanted to in the pond you thought you were in where do you fall. If you were in a P5, do you go another P5, regular D1, mid-major, juco, or drop down. What pond should you be in ? For some, it is a rude awakening and takes a while to figure out.
The other issue for some that are just going into portal is summer ball. Many summer college leagues require you to be on a college roster to play and some require a certain level or a certain college. If you go in the portal, some of the leagues will drop you. So some are waiting to go in the portal until they start summer league or finish summer league.
Yeah. My son made that mistake last year and got dropped from his Alaska league roster spot.
@Rick at Informed Athlete posted:I stand corrected. Hadn't seen the action taken by the NCAA that was just announced a couple of hours ago. The number of athletes in the transfer portal combined with seniors returning at their same school may have had something to do with that decision.
This is nice for one year, but the big question is what the hell happens in 2022?
Yeah. I reckon they think this will put a bandaid on it. But then what? how many schools can handle more players? You talk about the cost of baseball, this just adds to it. How many players will get to school and find out that their scholarship is going to be lowered to less than 25%?
@roothog66 posted:This is nice for one year, but the big question is what the hell happens in 2022?
I think the draft has a lot to do with it, and this new ruling for a year, would affect the programs that were expecting kids to be drafted and leave the program as well as HS players not coming to campus and probably are now.
It's my opinion that the NCAA never really took the time to think this through.
I've started thinking that the NCAA pulled the trigger on a lot of this before giving it much thought. In retrospect, even though it gives my own kid a year of eligibility back, the less problematic answer might have been to simply let things stand. Some kids would have gotten screwed a little, but the current answer to the problem is likely t screw a lot more for a lot longer.
@roothog66 posted:I've started thinking that the NCAA pulled the trigger on a lot of this before giving it much thought. In retrospect, even though it gives my own kid a year of eligibility back, the less problematic answer might have been to simply let things stand. Some kids would have gotten screwed a little, but the current answer to the problem is likely t screw a lot more for a lot longer.
Unfortunately none of the other spring sports have the problems that baseball have. There aren't any professional implications with track, softball, etc. They chose to do good by the seniors, but it will cause 4 years of mess for baseball, with the 2021 season being an absolute nightmare for most. Rather than screw out one set of kids (college seniors), they will be screwing 9 years worth of kids ranging from college 5th years to high school freshmen.
