Perfect Game left LakePoint?

2019Dad posted:

Going to be interesting.

PBR launched in California about 9 months ago and now they are planning tournaments in California as well:

https://www.prepbaseballreport...lifornia_tournaments

And they just announced a "West Coast Summer Championships" from July 25-28 in Irvine as well. This is directly competitive with the PG World Series in Arizona. Same approach: it will be a 32-team tournament and they are advertising it as a "vetted" tournament -- i.e., they're only going to let in good teams. We'll see.

I didn't realize it, but the baseball complex at the Great Park in Irvine opened in September -- 7 baseball fields -- four full-sized (including a 1,450-seat stadium), and three for youth tournaments (13U and below).

https://www.ocregister.com/201...-irvines-great-park/

And of course they can hold it in July with no rainouts, no weather delays, no 115-degree temperatures, and no travel for the SoCal teams -- which I'll guess will be half or more of the 32 teams -- if they do it right, they'll have two or three CBA teams, two or three GBG teams, SoCal Birds, Playa Vista Orioles, San Diego Show, San Diego Stars, Saddleback Cowboys, SGV Arsenal, Trosky, BPA, etc. 

RoadRunner posted:

Buckeye 2015 posted:

K9 posted:

 

 

Respectfully, it is not the same as PG. 

not today but historically organizations have already jumped the shark quite a bit before people realize it. the landscape could look dramatically different in 3 to 5 years.

Thank goodness that College Coaches don’t use the PBR or PG rankings

Not sure I'm pleased to see PBR make this move...  I understand PBR has essentially been a state-by-state franchise model, but my experience with them in NC has been frustrating.  Son did a workout day with them in summer of his freshman year.  His numbers from that day are on the PBR web site.  No problem, and cost a fraction of what a PG showcase would have cost. 

BUT, Son then pitched in a couple of NC PBR summer tournaments after his sophomore year.  PBR had a radar gun at his games and was writing down notes, but they never posted any data from those events--not on any player, so far as I can tell.  So son's PBR profile still shows 2 year old info, and apparently will continue to do so unless he pays to attend another workout.  I don't get this model.  When you pitch in a PG tournament, new velo data and other stats get added to your profile as verified measurables you can share with college coaches.  Playing in a PBR tournament gets you... what exactly, unless a school you are interested in happens to be there?  The PG model seems a lot better to me, esp for pitchers.  Am I missing something?  

Chico Escuela posted:

Not sure I'm pleased to see PBR make this move...  I understand PBR has essentially been a state-by-state franchise model, but my experience with them in NC has been frustrating.  Son did a workout day with them in summer of his freshman year.  His numbers from that day are on the PBR web site.  No problem, and cost a fraction of what a PG showcase would have cost. 

BUT, Son then pitched in a couple of NC PBR summer tournaments after his sophomore year.  PBR had a radar gun at his games and was writing down notes, but they never posted any data from those events--not on any player, so far as I can tell.  So son's PBR profile still shows 2 year old info, and apparently will continue to do so unless he pays to attend another workout.  I don't get this model.  When you pitch in a PG tournament, new velo data and other stats get added to your profile as verified measurables you can share with college coaches.  Playing in a PBR tournament gets you... what exactly, unless a school you are interested in happens to be there?  The PG model seems a lot better to me, esp for pitchers.  Am I missing something?  

Agree to some extent. My observations with PBR, is that they do sometimes update a kid’s measurables, depending on the kid and if the kid has a relationship with the PBR scout working that particular game.  

I think pBR will have to adopt that part of the pg model to succeed in the GA market.  After all, we still have PG in our market as an option 

And could PBR please tone down the black & red color scheme on their web site a little...?  

I’m not sure how they determine what is updated on profiles. They attended my son’s hs game, wrote about him and updated velo.  He was at the Futures and they wrote about him multiple times and mentioned the new velo but it was never updated.

baseballhs posted:

I’m not sure how they determine what is updated on profiles. They attended my son’s hs game, wrote about him and updated velo.  He was at the Futures and they wrote about him multiple times and mentioned the new velo but it was never updated.

That's a problem isn't it?  And not an issue I've ever heard anyone complain about for PG events.  (Sometimes people complain that PG gets stats wrong, but I have never heard of them just failing to post certain tournaments.)  

Once again, parents are making opinions on what the services should/may do to earn their profit.

As long as you are funding them, they are doing the right job.

Im certain that parents/teams will be participating in both PBR and PG, where available.

CHICO, you just guaranteed that the Red and Black will stay.

You noticed and mentioned it.

PBR, job well done!

Chico Escuela posted:

baseballhs posted:

I’m not sure how they determine what is updated on profiles. They attended my son’s hs game, wrote about him and updated velo.  He was at the Futures and they wrote about him multiple times and mentioned the new velo but it was never updated.

That's a problem isn't it?  And not an issue I've ever heard anyone complain about for PG events.  (Sometimes people complain that PG gets stats wrong, but I have never heard of them just failing to post certain tournaments.)  

I just think they will need to define how they do it. I wasn’t upset...he got tons of exposure (and offers) even though there wasn’t an update and all for $99. 

What does PBR charge for a showcase vs PG? How is PBR going to gain market share? They already figured it out. Get them hooked early for nothing/next to nothing, then keep them coming.

i have never seen PG advertise anything like this, and their showcase fees were absolutely ridiculous. Everyone seems to think PG left Lakepoint, but the partnership between Rimrock and PBR couldn’t have taken shape that fast, it was probably in the works well before the BK filing. My guess is Rimrock sees a hungry company who wants to grow and an bloated 800 lb gorilla who was eating at the LP trough a little too long without paying for the AYCE buffet. You don’t just throw in the towel and abandon you premier facility because they are experiencing a little financial difficulty. My guess is they were shown to the door by Rimrock/LakePoint.

2022OFDad posted:

What does PBR charge for a showcase vs PG? How is PBR going to gain market share? They already figured it out. Get them hooked early for nothing/next to nothing, then keep them coming.

i have never seen PG advertise anything like this, and their showcase fees were absolutely ridiculous. Everyone seems to think PG left Lakepoint, but the partnership between Rimrock and PBR couldn’t have taken shape that fast, it was probably in the works well before the BK filing. My guess is Rimrock sees a hungry company who wants to grow and an bloated 800 lb gorilla who was eating at the LP trough a little too long without paying for the AYCE buffet. You don’t just throw in the towel and abandon you premier facility because they are experiencing a little financial difficulty. My guess is they were shown to the door by Rimrock/LakePoint.

 

The WWBA was around well before LakePoint was even an idea. LP is just 8 fields, it doesn't mean all that much for PG or PBR, both organizations would be fine without it. They're just turf fields with scoreboards, it can be replicated by anybody with some money to build it. 

PABaseball posted:

2022OFDad posted:

What does PBR charge for a showcase vs PG? How is PBR going to gain market share? They already figured it out. Get them hooked early for nothing/next to nothing, then keep them coming.

i have never seen PG advertise anything like this, and their showcase fees were absolutely ridiculous. Everyone seems to think PG left Lakepoint, but the partnership between Rimrock and PBR couldn’t have taken shape that fast, it was probably in the works well before the BK filing. My guess is Rimrock sees a hungry company who wants to grow and an bloated 800 lb gorilla who was eating at the LP trough a little too long without paying for the AYCE buffet. You don’t just throw in the towel and abandon you premier facility because they are experiencing a little financial difficulty. My guess is they were shown to the door by Rimrock/LakePoint.

 

The WWBA was around well before LakePoint was even an idea. LP is just 8 fields, it doesn't mean all that much for PG or PBR, both organizations would be fine without it. They're just turf fields with scoreboards, it can be replicated by anybody with some money to build it. 

Gee, it sure seems to get a lot of play from PG and PBR, but you are probably right, they are just ball fields...

I feel the excitement from all the folks who are PBR people but i think we are all losing sight of the real issues with this new arrangement.... LP parking fees and concession prices, will they increase, decrease or make any changes? #RealTalk 

Shoveit

carry a cooler with juice fruit and sandwiches.

and uber

Im in GA.  I talked with my son last night and casually mentioned that  oh, Triple crown is no more in GA, all that stuff is now PG, oh and PG moved out of lakepoint and back to east cobb, but PBR took over Lakepoint so you may play both PG and PBR tourneys this summer.

It was like witnessing an actual countdown to a brain explosion.  Pretty funny to watch actually.

CaCO3

Thats because you used a lot of words and intelligence and the only word he computed was “PLAY”

Only parents overthink this stuff, because it matters to us and gives us something to talk about in the stands.

The players just want to play. Period.

I heard a 12 yo discussing this stuff with his dad and older brother and it was the most unnatural conversation I heard in a while. He’ll be a MLB Analytic or GM one day

Chico Escuela posted:

Not sure I'm pleased to see PBR make this move...  I understand PBR has essentially been a state-by-state franchise model, but my experience with them in NC has been frustrating.  Son did a workout day with them in summer of his freshman year.  His numbers from that day are on the PBR web site.  No problem, and cost a fraction of what a PG showcase would have cost. 

BUT, Son then pitched in a couple of NC PBR summer tournaments after his sophomore year.  PBR had a radar gun at his games and was writing down notes, but they never posted any data from those events--not on any player, so far as I can tell.  So son's PBR profile still shows 2 year old info, and apparently will continue to do so unless he pays to attend another workout.  I don't get this model.  When you pitch in a PG tournament, new velo data and other stats get added to your profile as verified measurables you can share with college coaches.  Playing in a PBR tournament gets you... what exactly, unless a school you are interested in happens to be there?  The PG model seems a lot better to me, esp for pitchers.  Am I missing something?  

If your son is a pitcher, no coach from any school is going to consider him without seeing him with their own eyes....and their own numbers from their own gun.  If your son has interest in a school, email the RC and let them know.  Let them know where/when they can see your son.  Give them measurables from the PBR guy that saw him...even if it's not on their site.  Coaches know that that kind of info isn't updated all the time.  Unless your son is a sophomore throwing 88-90, coaches aren't going to look at a site, see the velo and say "oh man, I need to go find this kid"....it just doesn't work that way.  If he's a top level kid throwing that hard....they'll find him....whether he's on a site or not.   PBR does a great job of getting coaches to their showcases.  The coaches watch the kids...and take their own measurables.  Heck, my son had a coach tell him that they had him 3 mph over what another coach had him at the same event...coaches trust their eyes and their equipment more than anything else.   I wouldn't worry about numbers from a showcase...if a coach wants to see him, they'll see him. 

With regard to PBR....each state is individually operated...yes, some are better than others.  Don't discount the entire PBR operation due to one incident in your particular state.  They usually get things adjusted and work more smoothly the longer they've been in a state.

2022OFDad posted:

What does PBR charge for a showcase vs PG? How is PBR going to gain market share? They already figured it out. Get them hooked early for nothing/next to nothing, then keep them coming.

i have never seen PG advertise anything like this, and their showcase fees were absolutely ridiculous. Everyone seems to think PG left Lakepoint, but the partnership between Rimrock and PBR couldn’t have taken shape that fast, it was probably in the works well before the BK filing. My guess is Rimrock sees a hungry company who wants to grow and an bloated 800 lb gorilla who was eating at the LP trough a little too long without paying for the AYCE buffet. You don’t just throw in the towel and abandon you premier facility because they are experiencing a little financial difficulty. My guess is they were shown to the door by Rimrock/LakePoint.

 

When my son was 14 we knew he wasn't big enough and didn't have the measurables to get serious college consideration....but he was awfully good for a small 14 year old.....so for $100 the chance to get into a winter showcase at a D1 campus in front of 10-12 coaches was a  no brainer.  He probably went to 6-8 of them.  He got used to how the things worked....and by the last couple he had grown and was getting some college attention.  Heck, one coach commented on how much he had changed in a year in a half....and we had never talked to that coach, but obviously he had noticed.   Heck, for $100 showcase at a D1 you can afford to fly out on a low-price no-frills airline....get a room for the night and fly home for less than what it would cost you to attend a PG showcase....and get in front of coaches from a different part of the country if that's what your son is looking to do. 

2022OFDad posted:

PABaseball posted:

2022OFDad posted:

What does PBR charge for a showcase vs PG? How is PBR going to gain market share? They already figured it out. Get them hooked early for nothing/next to nothing, then keep them coming.

i have never seen PG advertise anything like this, and their showcase fees were absolutely ridiculous. Everyone seems to think PG left Lakepoint, but the partnership between Rimrock and PBR couldn’t have taken shape that fast, it was probably in the works well before the BK filing. My guess is Rimrock sees a hungry company who wants to grow and an bloated 800 lb gorilla who was eating at the LP trough a little too long without paying for the AYCE buffet. You don’t just throw in the towel and abandon you premier facility because they are experiencing a little financial difficulty. My guess is they were shown to the door by Rimrock/LakePoint.

 

The WWBA was around well before LakePoint was even an idea. LP is just 8 fields, it doesn't mean all that much for PG or PBR, both organizations would be fine without it. They're just turf fields with scoreboards, it can be replicated by anybody with some money to build it. 

Gee, it sure seems to get a lot of play from PG and PBR, but you are probably right, they are just ball fields...

I thought Trackman was in Lakepoint?

I was a big Capri Sun fan until i watched that You Tube video. 

Buckeye 2015 posted:

Chico Escuela posted:

Not sure I'm pleased to see PBR make this move...  I understand PBR has essentially been a state-by-state franchise model, but my experience with them in NC has been frustrating.  Son did a workout day with them in summer of his freshman year.  His numbers from that day are on the PBR web site.  No problem, and cost a fraction of what a PG showcase would have cost. 

BUT, Son then pitched in a couple of NC PBR summer tournaments after his sophomore year.  PBR had a radar gun at his games and was writing down notes, but they never posted any data from those events--not on any player, so far as I can tell.  So son's PBR profile still shows 2 year old info, and apparently will continue to do so unless he pays to attend another workout.  I don't get this model.  When you pitch in a PG tournament, new velo data and other stats get added to your profile as verified measurables you can share with college coaches.  Playing in a PBR tournament gets you... what exactly, unless a school you are interested in happens to be there?  The PG model seems a lot better to me, esp for pitchers.  Am I missing something?  

If your son is a pitcher, no coach from any school is going to consider him without seeing him with their own eyes....and their own numbers from their own gun.  If your son has interest in a school, email the RC and let them know.  Let them know where/when they can see your son.  Give them measurables from the PBR guy that saw him...even if it's not on their site.  Coaches know that that kind of info isn't updated all the time.  Unless your son is a sophomore throwing 88-90, coaches aren't going to look at a site, see the velo and say "oh man, I need to go find this kid"....it just doesn't work that way.  If he's a top level kid throwing that hard....they'll find him....whether he's on a site or not.   PBR does a great job of getting coaches to their showcases.  The coaches watch the kids...and take their own measurables.  Heck, my son had a coach tell him that they had him 3 mph over what another coach had him at the same event...coaches trust their eyes and their equipment more than anything else.   I wouldn't worry about numbers from a showcase...if a coach wants to see him, they'll see him. 

With regard to PBR....each state is individually operated...yes, some are better than others.  Don't discount the entire PBR operation due to one incident in your particular state.  They usually get things adjusted and work more smoothly the longer they've been in a state.

1)  Yes, I know coaches want to see players in person.  I live in NC.  My son is looking almost exclusively at HA schools in other parts of the country (his choice).  Those schools do not attend small weekend tournaments or showcases in our region, but some do go to PG events at, e.g., Lake Point and Ft. Myers.  

PBR held a "showcase" at one local college last year that was attended by zero college coaches.  Yes, zero.  PBR is pretty new in NC and it has potential; and ~$200 for the chance to get some independent measurables isn't a terrible deal.  But at a PG tournament my son could get those measurables and maybe be seen by a few coaches as well.  And if he plays a PG event, I know his velo numbers and stats will actually get posted online--PBR seems to be hit or miss (mostly miss).

2)  My son was, in fact, a sophomore (now a Jr) throwing >85 mph.  He's not a P5 prospect, but it absolutely helped when he emailed coaches to be able to direct them to PG's web site for verified gun readings and some stats.  I have no illusions that the PG site alone will persuade a coach, but it certainly has helped get some coaches to watch him when they are at a tournament he's attending.  If he had only been to PBR events, he would have nothing to show for it but some numbers from two years ago

3)  I acknowledged in my first post that PBR is run state-by-state.  And my son has played several of their tournaments.  You shouldn't assume that because you may have good experiences with PBR in your area, that they are good everywhere.  My experience has been that PG runs a much, much tighter ship.  They also charge a LOT more (as I also acknowledged).   

BaseballBUDDY posted:

CaCO3

Thats because you used a lot of words and intelligence and the only word he computed was “PLAY”

Only parents overthink this stuff, because it matters to us and gives us something to talk about in the stands.

The players just want to play. Period.

I heard a 12 yo discussing this stuff with his dad and older brother and it was the most unnatural conversation I heard in a while. He’ll be a MLB Analytic or GM one day

 

I think you ought to take a look at what you wrote above and consider whether it expresses what you meant: 

"That's because you used a lot of words and intelligence and the only word he computed was 'PLAY'"  ???  I trust you didn't intend it, but that's pretty insulting to CaCO's son.  I believe he's a 2020--old enough to be thinking seriously about colleges and how to get recruited at places he wants to play.  I know my son is doing that.    

Maybe someone has already mentioned this.....but does PG game "own" the data that they have on your kid?  The reason I ask is because I am 100% sure that the data for my son on the PBR site came directly from PG.  Son has never attended any PBR events or evals.   Son has committed and signed  and the only place it has been "documented" is on the PG site.....but PBR has the commitment and the school listed.  PBR also has his measurables. 

stayfocused posted:

Maybe someone has already mentioned this.....but does PG game "own" the data that they have on your kid?  The reason I ask is because I am 100% sure that the data for my son on the PBR site came directly from PG.  Son has never attended any PBR events or evals.   Son has committed and signed  and the only place it has been "documented" is on the PG site.....but PBR has the commitment and the school listed.  PBR also has his measurables. 

My son has never attended any PBR events, but PBR has been to some of his games, taken measurables, and posted them on their site (and they have him 2 mph lower than PG, so I know that they didn't just copy PG's numbers). So maybe someone from PBR was at one of his games? Also, commitments on PBR are a little more free-flowing -- anyone can notify them about a commitment about any player, whereas on PG the player (or parent) has to submit it.

Chico Escuela posted:

BaseballBUDDY posted:

CaCO3

Thats because you used a lot of words and intelligence and the only word he computed was “PLAY”

Only parents overthink this stuff, because it matters to us and gives us something to talk about in the stands.

The players just want to play. Period.

I heard a 12 yo discussing this stuff with his dad and older brother and it was the most unnatural conversation I heard in a while. He’ll be a MLB Analytic or GM one day

 

I think you ought to take a look at what you wrote above and consider whether it expresses what you meant: 

"That's because you used a lot of words and intelligence and the only word he computed was 'PLAY'"  ???  I trust you didn't intend it, but that's pretty insulting to CaCO's son.  I believe he's a 2020--old enough to be thinking seriously about colleges and how to get recruited at places he wants to play.  I know my son is doing that.    

For PBR to copy PG data and repackage it on their site for resale would be a copyright violation (and I expect PG would have its lawyers on on them like white on rice if it happened). PG could test pretty easily—just post some dummy data and see if it showed up on PBR. 2019Dad’s explanation above makes sense though. 

I have never even heard of PBR in my state, never heard of a PBR tournaments in my state, etc.... The data on their site is exactly the same as what is on PG site.    The only people who know about sons commitment are PG, his coaches,  and his friends....he has not even done the "signing" pics at his highschool yet.   BTW....I have no problem if they did get their data from PG, the more who know about our sons skill set,  the better in my opinion.  

Nothing has changed. The process is still the same ...

“Dear coach ... Interested in the program. Where can I get in front of you?” Or your travel coach makes the call. 

Wherever he says, you go. If the college coaches start saying PBR you go there. I’m guessing coaches will go where they believe the top talent (top 200) will be. Then the rest follow because the coaches are there. Right now it’s probably still PG. Maybe it will change to PBR. It’s why you keep your eyes and ears open.

Chico Escuela posted:

BaseballBUDDY posted:

CaCO3

Thats because you used a lot of words and intelligence and the only word he computed was “PLAY”

Only parents overthink this stuff, because it matters to us and gives us something to talk about in the stands.

The players just want to play. Period.

I heard a 12 yo discussing this stuff with his dad and older brother and it was the most unnatural conversation I heard in a while. He’ll be a MLB Analytic or GM one day

 

I think you ought to take a look at what you wrote above and consider whether it expresses what you meant: 

"That's because you used a lot of words and intelligence and the only word he computed was 'PLAY'"  ???  I trust you didn't intend it, but that's pretty insulting to CaCO's son.  I believe he's a 2020--old enough to be thinking seriously about colleges and how to get recruited at places he wants to play.  I know my son is doing that.    

Thanks for the defense Chico, but i have to admit, he captured my son perfectly.  he comes off as a stoned surfer.  I have no idea how he ties his shoelaces in the morning half the time.  Probably why he just kicks them off without untying them.  I'd like to say that this was a satirical comment regarding my son...but it's not.  He probably did only hear the word PLAY.

CaCO3Girl posted:

Chico Escuela posted:

BaseballBUDDY posted:

CaCO3

Thats because you used a lot of words and intelligence and the only word he computed was “PLAY”

Only parents overthink this stuff, because it matters to us and gives us something to talk about in the stands.

The players just want to play. Period.

I heard a 12 yo discussing this stuff with his dad and older brother and it was the most unnatural conversation I heard in a while. He’ll be a MLB Analytic or GM one day

 

I think you ought to take a look at what you wrote above and consider whether it expresses what you meant: 

"That's because you used a lot of words and intelligence and the only word he computed was 'PLAY'"  ???  I trust you didn't intend it, but that's pretty insulting to CaCO's son.  I believe he's a 2020--old enough to be thinking seriously about colleges and how to get recruited at places he wants to play.  I know my son is doing that.    

Thanks for the defense Chico, but i have to admit, he captured my son perfectly.  he comes off as a stoned surfer.  I have no idea how he ties his shoelaces in the morning half the time.  Probably why he just kicks them off without untying them.  I'd like to say that this was a satirical comment regarding my son...but it's not.  He probably did only hear the word PLAY.

stayfocused posted:

Maybe someone has already mentioned this.....but does PG game "own" the data that they have on your kid?  The reason I ask is because I am 100% sure that the data for my son on the PBR site came directly from PG.  Son has never attended any PBR events or evals.   Son has committed and signed  and the only place it has been "documented" is on the PG site.....but PBR has the commitment and the school listed.  PBR also has his measurables. 

Once it is in the public domain, it’s free to all. 

RJM posted:

Nothing has changed. The process is still the same ...

“Dear coach ... Interested in the program. Where can I get in front of you?” Or your travel coach makes the call. 

Wherever he says, you go. If the college coaches start saying PBR you go there. I’m guessing coaches will go where they believe the top talent (top 200) will be. Then the rest follow because the coaches are there. Right now it’s probably still PG. Maybe it will change to PBR. It’s why you keep your eyes and ears open.

Yes,  but... My son has gotten initial expressions of (some) interest from maybe 10 or 12 colleges.  All are of the "you're not there yet, but we want to see more" type.  All but one of these schools is outside our region--those coaches don't come to the tournaments my son usually plays.  There is no way to get in front of all those schools, time and budgets being what they are.  But historically (in the southeast, anyhow), most of those schools would be at the major PG tournaments.  If PBR starts peeling off some of those coaches, it gets harder for a player to decide which events to prioritize, harder to be seen by as many schools. 

Not saying it's the end of the world.  Competition ought to mean lower prices and better service.  Once things shake out a bit, this could be great.  But I do wish it hadn't happened just prior to summer of my son's junior year, because the just-released PG calendar looks pretty different than in years past and I expect we'll see some changes from PBR, too.  I'm curious to see what choices his travel coaches make when it's time to pick tournaments, because it's not as clear to me as it used to me which events are going to be most relevant.  (Yes, the boy can and will email college coaches to ask where they will be.  But if his travel team isn't going to those events...  He has made a commitment to the team.  I think they'd understand if he were a guest P at a different event for a particular weekend or two, but it's not like he can just hop between tournaments based on the plans of the college coaches he is talking with).

Chico, if he’s looking at HA schools it’s a good bet most/all would be at a Headfirst camp. And if his team is not going to an event a coach from his target school is attending, find a team to go with. Much easier as a pitcher than you would think.

2022OFDad posted:

stayfocused posted:

Maybe someone has already mentioned this.....but does PG game "own" the data that they have on your kid?  The reason I ask is because I am 100% sure that the data for my son on the PBR site came directly from PG.  Son has never attended any PBR events or evals.   Son has committed and signed  and the only place it has been "documented" is on the PG site.....but PBR has the commitment and the school listed.  PBR also has his measurables. 

Once it is in the public domain, it’s free to all. 

I don't think so. You can't just copy a telephone book (for those old enough to remember those) and sell your own directory.  PG invests time and money to collect and publish player data.  "Fair use" applies, but I don't think you could just scrape PG's data and use them in your own web site.  

(I'm a lawyer, but not one who specializes in copyright or intellectual property.  So if someone wants to correct my analysis, I'm game to learn more.)

Chico and CaCO3

i counsel families (parents not players; as I’m not a baseball “guy”) on what needs to be done on the recruiting, placement, and academic side.

IMO, parents need to get their players to the team/events/tourneys that will best feature the player based on the desired schools. In addition, there should be a similar focus/process on a few schools that meet a few items on your/families check list.

The PG PBR game is only 1/4 of what should be done regarding exposure.

With that said, and after speaking with players and parents separately; The player needs to go into the events with NO Pressure.

They need to have fun and play balls out at every event.

If they are focused on parent level stuff, It ain’t fun no more and that’s why some check out or attempt to over achieve.

Ultimately, the player wants the parent to be happy. So if you bring the scouting program stuff to him/her, they will either focus on it and take away from what they should be focused on, or they’ll check out.

When you can drop Johnny off at the field and come back in the 3rd inning, you’ve graduated to a better level of understanding. My Opinion

Johnny knows you love him and what to provide the best opportunity you can package, but he’s the one on the field and ‘Playing” is where the recruiters will see him best. The assumption is that the Academics/Test are on par with the schools sought.

More than a few recruiters said, “when we are recruiting a player; we are also recruiting the parents, since they’ll be the one in Johnny’s ear after he has a rough time, which is gonna happen.”

Parent interjection is one of the causes for lack of interests in players.

My sons coach (PI) followed me for 3 weeks and could tell me where I ate and what my game routine was.

They know a lot about the player on the field and nothing about his background. You are the background; MAKE A GOOD IMPRESSION; SOMEONE IS ALWAYS WATCHING

This means drop him and go.

1)Stay away from the dugout and back stops. 

2) No comments about “Blue” coaches or other players and parents

NO OFFENSE INTENDED TO ANYONE

2022OFDad posted:

Chico, if he’s looking at HA schools it’s a good bet most/all would be at a Headfirst camp. And if his team is not going to an event a coach from his target school is attending, find a team to go with. Much easier as a pitcher than you would think.

Yep--thanks.  My son did attend HF, which was a great experience (and useful).  That's a bigger group of schools he is interested in than any PG or PBR event.  But some HA schools (even some of the D3s) do attend some of the major PG tournaments.  (Probably some PBR tournaments, too.  I guess he will have to start learning more about that...)

BaseballBUDDY posted:

Chico and CaCO3

i counsel families (parents not players; as I’m not a baseball “guy”) on what needs to be done on the recruiting, placement, and academic side.

IMO, parents need to get their players to the team/events/tourneys that will best feature the player based on the desired schools. In addition, there should be a similar focus/process on a few schools that meet a few items on your/families check list.

The PG PBR game is only 1/4 of what should be done regarding exposure.

With that said, and after speaking with players and parents separately; The player needs to go into the events with NO Pressure.

They need to have fun and play balls out at every event.

If they are focused on parent level stuff, It ain’t fun no more and that’s why some check out or attempt to over achieve.

Ultimately, the player wants the parent to be happy. So if you bring the scouting program stuff to him/her, they will either focus on it and take away from what they should be focused on, or they’ll check out.

When you can drop Johnny off at the field and come back in the 3rd inning, you’ve graduated to a better level of understanding. My Opinion

Johnny knows you love him and what to provide the best opportunity you can package, but he’s the one on the field and ‘Playing” is where the recruiters will see him best. The assumption is that the Academics/Test are on par with the schools sought.

More than a few recruiters said, “when we are recruiting a player; we are also recruiting the parents, since they’ll be the one in Johnny’s ear after he has a rough time, which is gonna happen.”

Parent interjection is one of the causes for lack of interests in players.

My sons coach (PI) followed me for 3 weeks and could tell me where I ate and what my game routine was.

They know a lot about the player on the field and nothing about his background. You are the background; MAKE A GOOD IMPRESSION; SOMEONE IS ALWAYS WATCHING

This means drop him and go.

1)Stay away from the dugout and back stops. 

2) No comments about “Blue” coaches or other players and parents

NO OFFENSE INTENDED TO ANYONE