Someone said it earlier, but worth repeating. This Pac-12 parent couldn't be happier that PBR and PG now making moves out here. We've played summer tourneys in FL and IN and just absolutely cannot stand to go into that humidity. Also have no intention of attending a southern school.
And 8 fields for a national event of this size? Please! Every one of the 15 MLB spring training facilities around Phoenix has that many and more. So if PBR/PG is reading this, more regional events out here please.
After looking at the schedule of events (i'm only looking at 14u) the 2019 prices are much more expensive than the year before. So the tournaments now cost more and are going to be played in worse locations. That a lose/lose IMO.
It’s funny, I personally don’t know anyone who follows with diamondkast.
2022OFDad posted:It’s funny, I personally don’t know anyone who follows with diamondkast.
Weird, I know lots of people that do at Lakepoint and Ft. Myers.
CaCO3Girl posted:2022OFDad posted:It’s funny, I personally don’t know anyone who follows with diamondkast.
Weird, I know lots of people that do at Lakepoint and Ft. Myers.
Must be pitchers parents then, because as a position player’s parent I could care less about the velocity that pitcher is throwing, or the score for that matter. Win or lose, just need a good performance from my players in these events.
Go44dad posted:2019 schedule has a WWBA Elite tournament in Hoover Alabama. 32 teams invite only. WWBA has been “split” to East and West with the west in Arizona.
It may be that PG views USA Baseball as its real tournament competition (and maybe even more so after the recent announcement from MLB/USA Baseball about the three-week event with the top 80 players in the 2020 class). With the WWBA split into an East (Georgia) and West (Arizona) versions, certainly PG will draw more California/Western kids than they did before. Here's the comparison:
15U
17U
I'd guess the Western travel teams will do both? Interesting that PG is holding the 15U and 17U tournaments the same week -- maybe that is more convenient for colleges?
Enjoy Arizona in July folks - granted it isn't humid but 120 is still freakin hot!!
2019Dad posted:Go44dad posted:2019 schedule has a WWBA Elite tournament in Hoover Alabama. 32 teams invite only. WWBA has been “split” to East and West with the west in Arizona.
It may be that PG views USA Baseball as its real tournament competition (and maybe even more so after the recent announcement from MLB/USA Baseball about the three-week event with the top 80 players in the 2020 class). With the WWBA split into an East (Georgia) and West (Arizona) versions, certainly PG will draw more California/Western kids than they did before. Here's the comparison:
15U
- USA Baseball Championships in Arizona, June 22 - 29, cost: $2,500
- 2019 WWBA 15U West National Championship, July 19 - 25, cost: $2,500
17U
- USA Baseball Championships in Arizona, June 14 - 21, cost: $2,500
- 2019 WWBA 17U West National Championship, July 19 - 25, cost: $2,500
I'd guess the Western travel teams will do both? Interesting that PG is holding the 15U and 17U tournaments the same week -- maybe that is more convenient for colleges?
The WWBA National Championship has not split up for summer 2020. It is business as usual and the same dates as usual. Instead PG has ADDED east and west tournaments in addition to the 17U, 16U, and 15U LakePoint tournaments. The LakePoint tournaments will still have the bulk of coaches and scouts. However, some may also attend the east and west events although it would make for a very busy summer for them. The vast majority of teams and scouts will still attend the LakePoint events. Perhaps that number will be reduced if some teams feel as though they can get some exposure at the non-LakePoint events. But I doubt it. Just like the new "Fall National" showcases--they are not the same as the National Showcase and the Junior National Showcase.
2022OFDad posted:CaCO3Girl posted:2022OFDad posted:It’s funny, I personally don’t know anyone who follows with diamondkast.
Weird, I know lots of people that do at Lakepoint and Ft. Myers.
Must be pitchers parents then, because as a position player’s parent I could care less about the velocity that pitcher is throwing, or the score for that matter. Win or lose, just need a good performance from my players in these events.
I'm guessing you have a 2022? I'm also guessing you'll change you tune when you see your kids stats published on his profile after a big tournament. You'll be a bit upset when you see some other kid got credit for your son's game actions because your son's coach didn't notify the PG scorekeeper of a lineup change! (or that sac fly that got scored as a fly-out) A simple e-mail to PG usually takes care of that but you may need the details from DiamondKast first...
ABSORBER posted:2019Dad posted:Go44dad posted:2019 schedule has a WWBA Elite tournament in Hoover Alabama. 32 teams invite only. WWBA has been “split” to East and West with the west in Arizona.
It may be that PG views USA Baseball as its real tournament competition (and maybe even more so after the recent announcement from MLB/USA Baseball about the three-week event with the top 80 players in the 2020 class). With the WWBA split into an East (Georgia) and West (Arizona) versions, certainly PG will draw more California/Western kids than they did before. Here's the comparison:
15U
- USA Baseball Championships in Arizona, June 22 - 29, cost: $2,500
- 2019 WWBA 15U West National Championship, July 19 - 25, cost: $2,500
17U
- USA Baseball Championships in Arizona, June 14 - 21, cost: $2,500
- 2019 WWBA 17U West National Championship, July 19 - 25, cost: $2,500
I'd guess the Western travel teams will do both? Interesting that PG is holding the 15U and 17U tournaments the same week -- maybe that is more convenient for colleges?
The WWBA National Championship has not split up for summer 2020. It is business as usual and the same dates as usual. Instead PG has ADDED east and west tournaments in addition to the 17U, 16U, and 15U LakePoint tournaments. The LakePoint tournaments will still have the bulk of coaches and scouts. However, some may also attend the east and west events although it would make for a very busy summer for them. The vast majority of teams and scouts will still attend the LakePoint events. Perhaps that number will be reduced if some teams feel as though they can get some exposure at the non-LakePoint events. But I doubt it. Just like the new "Fall National" showcases--they are not the same as the National Showcase and the Junior National Showcase.
For teams from the Western third of the U.S., there is no question whether they will *still* attend the WWBA at LakePoint -- they haven't been attending in the past:
2018 WWBA LakePoint 15U
2018 WWBA LakePoint 17U
I guess I don't see how the word "still" applies to whether teams from the West will be at the WWBA at LakePoint in 2019.
I agree that the number of teams at the WWBA at LakePoint will not be reduced much, if at all, because the teams from the East that were going there will likely still go there. By having a Western WWBA, PG has an opportunity to capture business that it wasn't capturing previously. The people running PG are not idiots -- I am certain that they are well aware of the above numbers.
*with a population equal to Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee combined. Those states had 135 teams at the 17U WWBA at LakePoint.
old_school posted:Enjoy Arizona in July folks - granted it isn't humid but 120 is still freakin hot!!
Son said it would be cool to play WWBA in AZ. I told him we would have to find some cleats that don't melt.
Same kid that said it's not that cold in Lubbock in the winter, showed me his phone with the average low of 30 degrees. "Son, let's go through averages again."
ABSORBER posted:2022OFDad posted:CaCO3Girl posted:2022OFDad posted:It’s funny, I personally don’t know anyone who follows with diamondkast.
Weird, I know lots of people that do at Lakepoint and Ft. Myers.
Must be pitchers parents then, because as a position player’s parent I could care less about the velocity that pitcher is throwing, or the score for that matter. Win or lose, just need a good performance from my players in these events.
I'm guessing you have a 2022? I'm also guessing you'll change you tune when you see your kids stats published on his profile after a big tournament. You'll be a bit upset when you see some other kid got credit for your son's game actions because your son's coach didn't notify the PG scorekeeper of a lineup change! (or that sac fly that got scored as a fly-out) A simple e-mail to PG usually takes care of that but you may need the details from DiamondKast first...
Been there, done that. Not my first rodeo and more importantly the recruiting coach there to watch him needs to know his number and when he is playing. They do t recruit off a stats sheet, and I’ve trained my son to just play...stats are not what he needs to be concerned with. Out of your control and frankly of little value. What matters is the eye test.
Go44dad posted:old_school posted:Enjoy Arizona in July folks - granted it isn't humid but 120 is still freakin hot!!
Son said it would be cool to play WWBA in AZ. I told him we would have to find some cleats that don't melt.
Same kid that said it's not that cold in Lubbock in the winter, showed me his phone with the average low of 30 degrees. "Son, let's go through averages again."
Although there are some damn hot days, the same thing applies at the AZ summer events: hydrate, sunscreen, ball out. A good number of games are played early in the morning when it is actually not bad out. I know it sounds crazy, but 90 degrees at 8am with no humidity is actually pretty decent. 2pm games are a little tougher.
2022OFDad posted:Go44dad posted:old_school posted:Enjoy Arizona in July folks - granted it isn't humid but 120 is still freakin hot!!
Son said it would be cool to play WWBA in AZ. I told him we would have to find some cleats that don't melt.
Same kid that said it's not that cold in Lubbock in the winter, showed me his phone with the average low of 30 degrees. "Son, let's go through averages again."
Although there are some damn hot days, the same thing applies at the AZ summer events: hydrate, sunscreen, ball out. A good number of games are played early in the morning when it is actually not bad out. I know it sounds crazy, but 90 degrees at 8am with no humidity is actually pretty decent. 2pm games are a little tougher.
I'd prefer the West over the East, just for something different. Don't get to the desert much. Out of driving range, though.
2022OFDad posted:ABSORBER posted:2022OFDad posted:CaCO3Girl posted:2022OFDad posted:It’s funny, I personally don’t know anyone who follows with diamondkast.
Weird, I know lots of people that do at Lakepoint and Ft. Myers.
Must be pitchers parents then, because as a position player’s parent I could care less about the velocity that pitcher is throwing, or the score for that matter. Win or lose, just need a good performance from my players in these events.
I'm guessing you have a 2022? I'm also guessing you'll change you tune when you see your kids stats published on his profile after a big tournament. You'll be a bit upset when you see some other kid got credit for your son's game actions because your son's coach didn't notify the PG scorekeeper of a lineup change! (or that sac fly that got scored as a fly-out) A simple e-mail to PG usually takes care of that but you may need the details from DiamondKast first...
Been there, done that. Not my first rodeo and more importantly the recruiting coach there to watch him needs to know his number and when he is playing. They do t recruit off a stats sheet, and I’ve trained my son to just play...stats are not what he needs to be concerned with. Out of your control and frankly of little value. What matters is the eye test.
I hear you and tend to agree. However, what if that coach isn't there watching? Everyone likes to "discount" stats and tout "eye test"--that is, until they don't produce stats. Everything in baseball is reduced to stats. Lots of college players out there who passed the eye test are finding new schools and programs because they couldn't pass the "stats test".
2019Dad posted:ABSORBER posted:2019Dad posted:Go44dad posted:2019 schedule has a WWBA Elite tournament in Hoover Alabama. 32 teams invite only. WWBA has been “split” to East and West with the west in Arizona.
It may be that PG views USA Baseball as its real tournament competition (and maybe even more so after the recent announcement from MLB/USA Baseball about the three-week event with the top 80 players in the 2020 class). With the WWBA split into an East (Georgia) and West (Arizona) versions, certainly PG will draw more California/Western kids than they did before. Here's the comparison:
15U
- USA Baseball Championships in Arizona, June 22 - 29, cost: $2,500
- 2019 WWBA 15U West National Championship, July 19 - 25, cost: $2,500
17U
- USA Baseball Championships in Arizona, June 14 - 21, cost: $2,500
- 2019 WWBA 17U West National Championship, July 19 - 25, cost: $2,500
I'd guess the Western travel teams will do both? Interesting that PG is holding the 15U and 17U tournaments the same week -- maybe that is more convenient for colleges?
The WWBA National Championship has not split up for summer 2020. It is business as usual and the same dates as usual. Instead PG has ADDED east and west tournaments in addition to the 17U, 16U, and 15U LakePoint tournaments. The LakePoint tournaments will still have the bulk of coaches and scouts. However, some may also attend the east and west events although it would make for a very busy summer for them. The vast majority of teams and scouts will still attend the LakePoint events. Perhaps that number will be reduced if some teams feel as though they can get some exposure at the non-LakePoint events. But I doubt it. Just like the new "Fall National" showcases--they are not the same as the National Showcase and the Junior National Showcase.
For teams from the Western third of the U.S., there is no question whether they will *still* attend the WWBA at LakePoint -- they haven't been attending in the past:
2018 WWBA LakePoint 15U
- California*: 7 teams
- Washington: 0 teams
- Oregon: 0 teams
- Nevada: 0 teams
- Arizona: 1 team
- Utah: 0 teams
2018 WWBA LakePoint 17U
- California*: 11 teams
- Washington: 0 teams
- Oregon: 0 teams
- Nevada: 1 team
- Arizona: 0 teams
- Utah: 0 teams
I guess I don't see how the word "still" applies to whether teams from the West will be at the WWBA at LakePoint in 2019.
I agree that the number of teams at the WWBA at LakePoint will not be reduced much, if at all, because the teams from the East that were going there will likely still go there. By having a Western WWBA, PG has an opportunity to capture business that it wasn't capturing previously. The people running PG are not idiots -- I am certain that they are well aware of the above numbers.
*with a population equal to Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee combined. Those states had 135 teams at the 17U WWBA at LakePoint.
I believe that "still" does include the same western teams. Yes, the western WWBA will allow western teams to be seen playing one another but that tourney isn't until July. AFTER three solid weeks of the main WWBA in LakePoint. So yes, the schedule for the 17U west may work for coaches looking at players from the west who didn't make it to the LakePoint 17U. Wow, I would hate to be a RC.
So I doubt the western teams that usually attend the WWBA will change their plans. They may, however, add the July tourney. But no way do they miss the WWBA at LakePoint. Just as nobody is going to skip the PG National Showcase in June to attend the "Western National Showcase" (fictional) in July. And if there was no National Showcase? Of course then "East" and "West" National Showcases would be viable. But not until.
Of course we are just talking about summer 2019. Who knows what will happen in the Fall 2019 and Summer 2020?
ABSORBER posted:...I hear you and tend to agree. However, what if that coach isn't there watching? Everyone likes to "discount" stats and tout "eye test"--that is, until they don't produce stats. Everything in baseball is reduced to stats. Lots of college players out there who passed the eye test are finding new schools and programs because they couldn't pass the "stats test".
Certainly, once in college, you better produce. But in the big picture of scouting recruits, what will translate? HS and showcase stats come with a myriad of translation and extrapolation challenges. Some can be sifted through and weighed, others not so much. These days, providing quality "eye test" (video) data remotely is becoming increasingly easy to do.
Then I guess you will probably see the west coast represented at the event more so than mid west and east coast. Look at USA Baseball National team championships over the past years, same thing plays out.
Funny thing is, there are far fewer collegiate baseball opportunities out west (west defined as AZ, CA, CO, HI, ID, MT, NM, NV, OR, UT, WA) than people realize. By my count, I have 44 D1 schools (not counting schools in the process of reclassifying to D1), 37 D2 schools, 18 D3, and 18 NAIA schools in this group of western states. Total of 117 schools. The rest of the US provides 246 D1, 238 D2, 367 D3 and 337 NAIA schools.
For the sake of argument, let’s say each school brings on 10 new players per year. That basically provides opportunities for 1170 players in these western states each year. California alone has more D1 caliber players than that, which is why guys in California who want to play D1 ball need to look outside of this group of states if they want an opportunity. Outside of the west, using the same assumption of 10 players per team, there are opportunities for over 11,000 players.
Smart money heads east.
ABSORBER posted:2022OFDad posted:ABSORBER posted:2022OFDad posted:CaCO3Girl posted:2022OFDad posted:It’s funny, I personally don’t know anyone who follows with diamondkast.
Weird, I know lots of people that do at Lakepoint and Ft. Myers.
Must be pitchers parents then, because as a position player’s parent I could care less about the velocity that pitcher is throwing, or the score for that matter. Win or lose, just need a good performance from my players in these events.
I'm guessing you have a 2022? I'm also guessing you'll change you tune when you see your kids stats published on his profile after a big tournament. You'll be a bit upset when you see some other kid got credit for your son's game actions because your son's coach didn't notify the PG scorekeeper of a lineup change! (or that sac fly that got scored as a fly-out) A simple e-mail to PG usually takes care of that but you may need the details from DiamondKast first...
Been there, done that. Not my first rodeo and more importantly the recruiting coach there to watch him needs to know his number and when he is playing. They do t recruit off a stats sheet, and I’ve trained my son to just play...stats are not what he needs to be concerned with. Out of your control and frankly of little value. What matters is the eye test.
I hear you and tend to agree. However, what if that coach isn't there watching? Everyone likes to "discount" stats and tout "eye test"--that is, until they don't produce stats. Everything in baseball is reduced to stats. Lots of college players out there who passed the eye test are finding new schools and programs because they couldn't pass the "stats test".
You can hit the ball hard every AB, and if a guy happens to be in the right spot, it’s an out, buddy. Decrease the BA. But if you are spanking that baseball, and someone is there to see it, that’s where stats just don’t matter. I know plenty of kids with great stats in HS who really can’t hit the baseball well, getting on with duck snorts and Texas leaguers. Those guys, by their stats, should be going on to play. Eye test says something different t, and they haven’t.
ABSORBER posted:I believe that "still" does include the same western teams. Yes, the western WWBA will allow western teams to be seen playing one another but that tourney isn't until July. AFTER three solid weeks of the main WWBA in LakePoint. So yes, the schedule for the 17U west may work for coaches looking at players from the west who didn't make it to the LakePoint 17U. Wow, I would hate to be a RC.
So I doubt the western teams that usually attend the WWBA will change their plans. They may, however, add the July tourney. But no way do they miss the WWBA at LakePoint. Just as nobody is going to skip the PG National Showcase in June to attend the "Western National Showcase" (fictional) in July. And if there was no National Showcase? Of course then "East" and "West" National Showcases would be viable. But not until.
Of course we are just talking about summer 2019. Who knows what will happen in the Fall 2019 and Summer 2020?
Sure, I guess the smattering of western teams that have attended the WWBA in LakePoint in the past might still attend. But it's a very small number. The 17U tournament had 376 teams. Even if all 12 teams from the six states I listed don't go, it would still be 364. The vast majority of western teams -- including plenty of very strong teams -- miss the WWBA at Lakepoint each and every year. Of course, the vast majority of strong players in the West are looking to play in the PAC12 and I'd guess the Big West (Fullerton, etc.) is the second choice conference for most of them, so it makes sense.
From a business standpoint, it's a smart move by PG.
I didn't mean to hijack this post; it's a PG/LakePoint post which morphed into DiamondKast bashing which resulted in me making a tongue-in-cheek comment regarding stats--as in lots of people say they don't care about stats until their kid's stats are listed incorrectly--which I find humorous. Enough said.
FWIW, the 2019 WWBA tourneys are still listed as being hosted at LakePoint. Our teams have signed up already.
If LP is in Chapter 11, it can treat the PG lease as voidable. But it would only do that if it thought it could negotiate better terms thereafter. It's not like there's someone else it could play off against PG to negotiate. There's actually a risk that if they tore up the current lease, PG would push for a better deal now.
So I doubt they would do it.
ABSORBER posted:I didn't mean to hijack this post; it's a PG/LakePoint post which morphed into DiamondKast bashing which resulted in me making a tongue-in-cheek comment regarding stats--as in lots of people say they don't care about stats until their kid's stats are listed incorrectly--which I find humorous. Enough said.
YUP! That's what happens! Isn't it fun :- )
For those who want to harp so on the non-P5 kids, the tournament in Hoover will hurt them tremendously. The teams that go to Hoover will be filled with P5 and very upper level D1 kids which will hurt the average D1 and lower players. Because like it or not, the scouts show up for the P5 kids and the upper D1 kids. The plus in the past has been that while they are watching those kids they could see another kid have a great game. The roster of the WWBA Championship in Arizona this year for 17U was mostly P5 kids and there were very few scouts there and hardly none from the East. I think them not being at LP will eventually hurt recruiting because coaches will now have to go to outer fields and be very selective on where they see kids. It may help the Western teams but I don't see how because there is already Team USA team tournaments in the east and west which are highly recruited. WWBA going back to just ECB will hurt and the number of teams go down.
Not a dog in the hunt anymore but I think many who have wanted this will not be happy with result. 2022OFDAD, the scoreboards are a big deal to pitchers and hitters. They want to know what the kid is throwing that they are hitting off of to have an idea how good they are. I love DiamondKast when it is right because it provides more information for my son to evaluate himself and help his progress. He always wants to know what did I throw on such and such pitch. And it is there.
In regards to stats, i guess the plan is to play hard, execute and they will come. Don't get bogged down per AB or batter. I do agree to an extent. Once in college, they matter or have the perception/potential to matter and affect your play unless you are one the absolute best at the position. Leeway will be given. Otherwise, playing hard and not producing equals others getting your time or a shot at you time. I know that even outs in baseball are interpretive if the coach wants to send a message...like Loud Outs for a pitcher being a potential warning and for a hitter, propping him up as an out but he squared it up.
My son did his absolute best to consider every pitch a new pitch and the outcome whatever it would be....as long as he executed his pitch, he could do nothing more to effect a better outcome. He learned that from his freshman year and carried through the next two seasons. It ain't easy and theones who can compartmentalize that are most successful.
The Hoover tournament looks like PG is taking another crack at what they were trying to do with the PerfectGame World Series.
Regarding the 17U WWBA at Lakepoint next summer (June 28 - Jul 5), it's going to be missing the top 80 2020s in the country, or the vast majority of them, since MLB announced: "The PDP League will be a three-week, invite-only event held from mid-June through early July at IMG Academy in Bradenton, Fla. "
PitchingFan posted:For those who want to harp so on the non-P5 kids, the tournament in Hoover will hurt them tremendously. The teams that go to Hoover will be filled with P5 and very upper level D1 kids which will hurt the average D1 and lower players. Because like it or not, the scouts show up for the P5 kids and the upper D1 kids. The plus in the past has been that while they are watching those kids they could see another kid have a great game. The roster of the WWBA Championship in Arizona this year for 17U was mostly P5 kids and there were very few scouts there and hardly none from the East. I think them not being at LP will eventually hurt recruiting because coaches will now have to go to outer fields and be very selective on where they see kids. It may help the Western teams but I don't see how because there is already Team USA team tournaments in the east and west which are highly recruited. WWBA going back to just ECB will hurt and the number of teams go down.
Not a dog in the hunt anymore but I think many who have wanted this will not be happy with result. 2022OFDAD, the scoreboards are a big deal to pitchers and hitters. They want to know what the kid is throwing that they are hitting off of to have an idea how good they are. I love DiamondKast when it is right because it provides more information for my son to evaluate himself and help his progress. He always wants to know what did I throw on such and such pitch. And it is there.
My sons could care less about the speed of the pitch they just swung at. It’s not important, the result of the swing is. Nobody goes around telling a recruiting coordinator “I hit a 93 MPH FB at an event once”
2022OFDad posted:PitchingFan posted:For those who want to harp so on the non-P5 kids, the tournament in Hoover will hurt them tremendously. The teams that go to Hoover will be filled with P5 and very upper level D1 kids which will hurt the average D1 and lower players. Because like it or not, the scouts show up for the P5 kids and the upper D1 kids. The plus in the past has been that while they are watching those kids they could see another kid have a great game. The roster of the WWBA Championship in Arizona this year for 17U was mostly P5 kids and there were very few scouts there and hardly none from the East. I think them not being at LP will eventually hurt recruiting because coaches will now have to go to outer fields and be very selective on where they see kids. It may help the Western teams but I don't see how because there is already Team USA team tournaments in the east and west which are highly recruited. WWBA going back to just ECB will hurt and the number of teams go down.
Not a dog in the hunt anymore but I think many who have wanted this will not be happy with result. 2022OFDAD, the scoreboards are a big deal to pitchers and hitters. They want to know what the kid is throwing that they are hitting off of to have an idea how good they are. I love DiamondKast when it is right because it provides more information for my son to evaluate himself and help his progress. He always wants to know what did I throw on such and such pitch. And it is there.
My sons could care less about the speed of the pitch they just swung at. It’s not important, the result of the swing is. Nobody goes around telling a recruiting coordinator “I hit a 93 MPH FB at an event once”
But if a scout sees you time up a 95mph fastball, but still pop out.................
Eye test, right?
russinfortworth posted:2022OFDad posted:PitchingFan posted:For those who want to harp so on the non-P5 kids, the tournament in Hoover will hurt them tremendously. The teams that go to Hoover will be filled with P5 and very upper level D1 kids which will hurt the average D1 and lower players. Because like it or not, the scouts show up for the P5 kids and the upper D1 kids. The plus in the past has been that while they are watching those kids they could see another kid have a great game. The roster of the WWBA Championship in Arizona this year for 17U was mostly P5 kids and there were very few scouts there and hardly none from the East. I think them not being at LP will eventually hurt recruiting because coaches will now have to go to outer fields and be very selective on where they see kids. It may help the Western teams but I don't see how because there is already Team USA team tournaments in the east and west which are highly recruited. WWBA going back to just ECB will hurt and the number of teams go down.
Not a dog in the hunt anymore but I think many who have wanted this will not be happy with result. 2022OFDAD, the scoreboards are a big deal to pitchers and hitters. They want to know what the kid is throwing that they are hitting off of to have an idea how good they are. I love DiamondKast when it is right because it provides more information for my son to evaluate himself and help his progress. He always wants to know what did I throw on such and such pitch. And it is there.
My sons could care less about the speed of the pitch they just swung at. It’s not important, the result of the swing is. Nobody goes around telling a recruiting coordinator “I hit a 93 MPH FB at an event once”
But if a scout sees you time up a 95mph fastball, but still pop out.................
Great scouting a pop up story about Jonny Gomes -- "he impressed a scout by hitting a pop-up to the second baseman" -- here:
Your “@stats” comments is incorrect.
Revruiting Coaches MUST our eyes on the player, since hitting stats is more related to the level of pitching.
Dont be fooled folks.
Your 6-7 LHP son may get calls based on stats, the position players ( on average) with phenomenal stats will only get calls after a recruiter sees him play. Period
....your 6’7’ LHP may get calls because he is a 6’7” LHP. Lol!
Definately harder to scout position players than pitchers.
First time poster, lots going on in this thread.
Sorry if someone has already mentioned this, but EC fields are trouble when it rains.
We have enjoyed seeing pitch speeds on DiamondKast at LP. It means something to my 2020 when he makes contact with a 90+ pitch.
Our son is a position player. He made a verbal commit within the last few weeks. The RC did his homework. Came to 3 to 4 games, called travel and HS coaches, talked several times to son on phone, texted son, looked at stats on max preps and PG, watched videos, and had the family to the school, before an offer was made. I would think an offer based on stats alone, if it happens, would be a rare situation. Maybe stats plus the word of a trusted adviser?
We live close to LP and EC, and feel fortunate to have spent many a day at both.
Thanks to this message board and posters for all the guidance over the last few years, especially the last couple of months.
Homefield, welcome to the posting side and congratulations to your son!!
CaCO3Girl posted:If PG is really out of lakepoint, which I still don’t believe, it opens the door for others. PBR just came to GA, they have had some showcases but claiming stake on LP would secure their position. Also Triple Crown is big here...they could take over LP.
It won’t be empty guys, someone will snatch it up.
Sorry if this has already been posted. I have not read to the end. PBR is a Franchise. PBR owners have rights to a State. Some Franchise owners have more than one franchise. So unless the owner of PBR GA, has tons of money I do not see then taking over LP.
BishopLeftiesDad posted:CaCO3Girl posted:If PG is really out of lakepoint, which I still don’t believe, it opens the door for others. PBR just came to GA, they have had some showcases but claiming stake on LP would secure their position. Also Triple Crown is big here...they could take over LP.
It won’t be empty guys, someone will snatch it up.
Sorry if this has already been posted. I have not read to the end. PBR is a Franchise. PBR owners have rights to a State. Some Franchise owners have more than one franchise. So unless the owner of PBR GA, has tons of money I do not see then taking over LP.
... and Triple Crown has made limited inroads on the over 14 arena, at least in most parts of the country and last I followed.
BishopLeftiesDad posted:CaCO3Girl posted:If PG is really out of lakepoint, which I still don’t believe, it opens the door for others. PBR just came to GA, they have had some showcases but claiming stake on LP would secure their position. Also Triple Crown is big here...they could take over LP.
It won’t be empty guys, someone will snatch it up.
Sorry if this has already been posted. I have not read to the end. PBR is a Franchise. PBR owners have rights to a State. Some Franchise owners have more than one franchise. So unless the owner of PBR GA, has tons of money I do not see then taking over LP.
PBR Inc, the organization that holds the franchises would have to do it. I don't even know if they could or would have interest but it wouldn't be a franchisee IMO - It would have to be the corporate entity.
I would assume the PBR Futures games operate on the same level as a national event.
2022OFDad posted:Eye test, right?
I'm guessing the world is different in the NE than it is down south or you just have not been around since I'm assuming your son is 2022. How many tournaments have you attended at LP? The scoreboards are a big deal to scouts because it shows velocity. They want to know what a pitcher is throwing and what a hitter is hitting. Just because you put a 79 MPH fastball to the fence does not matter if you cannot touch a 92 MPH fastball. The results actually do not matter to a real scout it is the technique. They don't care as much about your hitting stats as your swing. The stats don't tell the story unless you see the swing and the MPH of the pitch.
PitchingFan posted:Just because you put a 79 MPH fastball to the fence does not matter if you cannot touch a 92 MPH fastball. The results actually do not matter to a real scout it is the technique. They don't care as much about your hitting stats as your swing. The stats don't tell the story unless you see the swing and the MPH of the pitch.
I know velocity is king, but most kids who throw hard should have a secondary pitch and those two can dominate hitters. Locate the FB and the secondary pitch and its a long day in the batters box.
PitchingFan posted:2022OFDad posted:Eye test, right?
I'm guessing the world is different in the NE than it is down south or you just have not been around since I'm assuming your son is 2022. How many tournaments have you attended at LP? The scoreboards are a big deal to scouts because it shows velocity. They want to know what a pitcher is throwing and what a hitter is hitting. Just because you put a 79 MPH fastball to the fence does not matter if you cannot touch a 92 MPH fastball. The results actually do not matter to a real scout it is the technique. They don't care as much about your hitting stats as your swing. The stats don't tell the story unless you see the swing and the MPH of the pitch.
I never said they cared about stats, actually I said the opposite, hence the comment “eye test?”. And if a scout or college coach wants to clock a kid, they break out their own radar gun. Not sure how many tournaments at LP YOU have attended, but radar guns are everywhere, in the coaches hands.
been around plenty friend. This ain’t my first rodeo.
