https://www.prepbaseballreport...LakePoint-6153789402
Well, now the plot thickens. Was PG forced out of LP? This deal between PBR and Rimrock tells me their pockets just got a lot deeper.
Wow! Thanks for sharing.
Looks like those not familiar with PBR will be shortly. Just saw a Press Release that RimRock Capital made sizable investment in PBR and entered into long term LakePoint lease.
On another note, those that were concerned about the other PBR ( not bull riding though); its ok. Miller and Pabst worked it out and it will still be available.
Couldn’t paste the articles for someone reason but its online
Scooped
Going to be interesting.
PBR launched in California about 9 months ago and now they are planning tournaments in California as well:
I'm guessing that I'm going to have a difficult time convincing my son that a PBR T-Shirt is as cool as PG one though.
russinfortworth posted:I'm guessing that I'm going to have a difficult time convincing my son that a PBR T-Shirt is as cool as PG one though.
Since you are in TX, he should get on board. Toby Bicknell runs TX PBR and he is very connected and does a great job.
How in the world can you not make money in youth sports.... PG was like the Ferrari of youth baseball. It’s like owning a casino, people come in give you their money and leave.
That being said.... Lake Point could become the center of East Coast youth baseball with PBR at the helm, and PG could build in the DFW area and dominate in the West. DFW has it all... local HS fields and WAY easier to get around. We shall see.
PG made plenty...
Hearing that WWBA might be in Dallas this year. Has anyone seen that posted? Did I miss it?
Just tried to look around PBR site because I am just not familiar with them. Can’t see much without a subscription. I understand this completely, but if they are expanding to a new area with little knowlegdge of them, they may want to offer a “free look” period to let people look around thier site. Not a big deal to me, as I think we are pretty much finished with travel ball, but may help others learn about them. We have played travel in GEORGIA for 10 plus years and I have heard of them, but know almost nothing about them
CaCO3Girl posted:If PG is really out of lakepoint, which I still don’t believe, it opens the door for others. PBR just came to GA, they have had some showcases but claiming stake on LP would secure their position. Also Triple Crown is big here...they could take over LP.
It won’t be empty guys, someone will snatch it up.
And yes, PBR snatched it up! Triple crown was actually snatched up by PG in GA, LOL!
BishopLeftiesDad posted:CaCO3Girl posted:If PG is really out of lakepoint, which I still don’t believe, it opens the door for others. PBR just came to GA, they have had some showcases but claiming stake on LP would secure their position. Also Triple Crown is big here...they could take over LP.
It won’t be empty guys, someone will snatch it up.
Sorry if this has already been posted. I have not read to the end. PBR is a Franchise. PBR owners have rights to a State. Some Franchise owners have more than one franchise. So unless the owner of PBR GA, has tons of money I do not see then taking over LP.
Guess they did
Doug's is saved! PBR definitely cooler than PG, Pabst Blue Ribbon that is....not so sure about long term but then again i have no exp with PBR. Glad we're done and hope for Emerson's sake that PBR can pull the type of audiences that PG did as they are expanding all around that area and the near the lake where we just bought a place with a dock and a boat. 
College coaches are well aware of PBR and they pulled tons of them to The Futures Games. They will definitely need some premiere talent tournaments but I think they will be as. big as PG in the not so distant future..
CaCO3Girl posted:BishopLeftiesDad posted:CaCO3Girl posted:If PG is really out of lakepoint, which I still don’t believe, it opens the door for others. PBR just came to GA, they have had some showcases but claiming stake on LP would secure their position. Also Triple Crown is big here...they could take over LP.
It won’t be empty guys, someone will snatch it up.
Sorry if this has already been posted. I have not read to the end. PBR is a Franchise. PBR owners have rights to a State. Some Franchise owners have more than one franchise. So unless the owner of PBR GA, has tons of money I do not see then taking over LP.
Guess they did
Yes they did. This is a change to how PBR has operated in the past.
baseballhs posted:Hearing that WWBA might be in Dallas this year. Has anyone seen that posted? Did I miss it?
There are two WWBA's this year, East and West. One in Atlanta, one in Arizona.
CaCO3Girl posted:BishopLeftiesDad posted:CaCO3Girl posted:If PG is really out of lakepoint, which I still don’t believe, it opens the door for others. PBR just came to GA, they have had some showcases but claiming stake on LP would secure their position. Also Triple Crown is big here...they could take over LP.
It won’t be empty guys, someone will snatch it up.
Sorry if this has already been posted. I have not read to the end. PBR is a Franchise. PBR owners have rights to a State. Some Franchise owners have more than one franchise. So unless the owner of PBR GA, has tons of money I do not see then taking over LP.
Guess they did
I took it that Rimrock is providing the capital and PBR the expertise.
This is a good marriage. The landowners need to dig out of debt and made a smart strategic decision to partner with PBR a growing recruitment service. The winners will be us, more exposure events for players and hopefully the competition for our dollars will make for better pricing (doubtful)
I have quite a bit of experience with PBR, (the baseball people, not Pabst Blue Ribbon), as Ohio was I think their second or third state. I have known the Ohio state director since the start. Good baseball guy and well respected throughout the Midwest and further. I'm wondering how much influence he'll have with what goes on at LakePoint. PBR has been around here for around 10 years. They do a really, really nice job with their events. At this point, they are nowhere near the scale of PG, at least with regard to the size of their events, but as someone mentioned, the Futures Games draws coaches from everywhere....all the big name guys are there and the day after it ends, you see a huge string of commitments to everywhere from your local D3 to SEC schools. It will be interesting to see what they do with a facility the size of LakePoint, but I can assure you, college coaches know what/who PBR is....if they put on a quality event, coaches will be there....you don't have to worry about that.
Local news article today: http://daily-tribune.com/stori...aseball-report,20706
"Rimrock Capital Management has gone public with a "sizable investment" in Illinois-headquartered scouting service Prep Baseball Report"
"he did say the deal is multi-year and that under the arrangement, LakePoint has financially invested in the event organizer — and vice-versa"
I am excited that we now have 2 good options (PG and PBR) in our backyard at ECB and LP! Looks like LP and PBR is here to stay given their integration with each other's business.
At least there is competition for your dollar! This is a good thing for baseball in general, prep baseball in particular. Ding dong, the witch is dead
Buckeye 2015 posted:I have quite a bit of experience with PBR, (the baseball people, not Pabst Blue Ribbon), as Ohio was I think their second or third state. I have known the Ohio state director since the start. Good baseball guy and well respected throughout the Midwest and further. I'm wondering how much influence he'll have with what goes on at LakePoint. PBR has been around here for around 10 years. They do a really, really nice job with their events. At this point, they are nowhere near the scale of PG, at least with regard to the size of their events, but as someone mentioned, the Futures Games draws coaches from everywhere....all the big name guys are there and the day after it ends, you see a huge string of commitments to everywhere from your local D3 to SEC schools. It will be interesting to see what they do with a facility the size of LakePoint, but I can assure you, college coaches know what/who PBR is....if they put on a quality event, coaches will be there....you don't have to worry about that.
Based on the article I just posted, looks like RimRock is setting this up so that LP and PBR are tightly integrated, not a hands-off landlord type arrangement like LP-PG relationship.
All of this Prep stuff assists in the creation of Life-Long Baseball Fans.
Keep drinking the Koolade and our grand kids will be placed on the next level of Prep Baseball.
In the end, MLB is filling seats
Pretty sure people would gamble on prep sports if they could.
Agreed 2022OFDAD
No matter what Prep showcase rises. We will be there with check in hand
If PBR could manage to have even a 150 team tournament at LP within the next 5 years around the same time all these WWBA regional events take place I could see that being a problem for PG. Obviously that is a long shot, but not impossible.
I think what made the WWBA so great was one centralized location (Atlanta area) and everybody was there. Most of the top talent was already located in GA/FL making it easily accessible for the top players. By spreading it out, competitors are able to come in and use the model that had worked for so long. I'm sure PG knows what they're doing, but can be huge for PBR.
wareagle posted:Just tried to look around PBR site because I am just not familiar with them. Can’t see much without a subscription. I understand this completely, but if they are expanding to a new area with little knowlegdge of them, they may want to offer a “free look” period to let people look around thier site. Not a big deal to me, as I think we are pretty much finished with travel ball, but may help others learn about them. We have played travel in GEORGIA for 10 plus years and I have heard of them, but know almost nothing about them
They've just been in California for about 9 months, and I realize this may vary by state, but to my mind, the biggest difference between PBR and others is that (in addition to the showcases and soon tournaments) PBR spends a lot of time going to high school games and tweeting and posting about kids they see (plus recording velocity and posting that too). The PBR guy in SoCal is at high school games it seems like every day in the Spring, and he'll even go out and see winter scrimmages. So last Spring he was at three of my son's starts and posted or tweeted about them. Of course, it's a business and they're in it to make money, but to me the high school coverage gives it a different feel -- it seems like they really care about promoting the game and the kids, even if there is no money directly involved. Maybe it's a calculated part of the strategy, but they've gone from 0 to 60 in California pretty quickly.
2019Dad posted:wareagle posted:Just tried to look around PBR site because I am just not familiar with them. Can’t see much without a subscription. I understand this completely, but if they are expanding to a new area with little knowlegdge of them, they may want to offer a “free look” period to let people look around thier site. Not a big deal to me, as I think we are pretty much finished with travel ball, but may help others learn about them. We have played travel in GEORGIA for 10 plus years and I have heard of them, but know almost nothing about them
They've just been in California for about 9 months, and I realize this may vary by state, but to my mind, the biggest difference between PBR and others is that (in addition to the showcases and soon tournaments) PBR spends a lot of time going to high school games and tweeting and posting about kids they see (plus recording velocity and posting that too). The PBR guy in SoCal is at high school games it seems like every day in the Spring, and he'll even go out and see winter scrimmages. So last Spring he was at three of my son's starts and posted or tweeted about them. Of course, it's a business and they're in it to make money, but to me the high school coverage gives it a different feel -- it seems like they really care about promoting the game and the kids, even if there is no money directly involved. Maybe it's a calculated part of the strategy, but they've gone from 0 to 60 in California pretty quickly.
yes, I've seen them at high schools in GA and they tweet out interesting stats. They just arrived here last year as well.
So will PBR become more national and less "regionalized"?
From what I have seen PBR is built, staffed and run by the local baseball establishment. So that the biases that exist around certain travel teams, schools, coaches, and players are baked into their rankings, for 9th and 10th graders. PG seems to be much more independent and data driven. Over time, the PBR ratings evolve so that they generally are in sync with PG by the time the kids are seniors.
K9 posted:So will PBR become more national and less "regionalized"?
From what I have seen PBR is built, staffed and run by the local baseball establishment. So that the biases that exist around certain travel teams, schools, coaches, and players are baked into their rankings, for 9th and 10th graders. PG seems to be much more independent and data driven. Over time, the PBR ratings evolve so that they generally are in sync with PG by the time the kids are seniors.
LOL...
K9 posted:So will PBR become more national and less "regionalized"?
From what I have seen PBR is built, staffed and run by the local baseball establishment. So that the biases that exist around certain travel teams, schools, coaches, and players are baked into their rankings, for 9th and 10th graders. PG seems to be much more independent and data driven. Over time, the PBR ratings evolve so that they generally are in sync with PG by the time the kids are seniors.
I don't know if it's biased....it's the same as PG....if they've never seen you, they don't know you exist. The difference, at least here in Ohio...at least some of the other PBR states as someone else mentioned is that PBR goes out to HS regular season games and summer tourneys (even those that they don't host) and looks at kids. Sure, you can be seen at a PBR showcase, but they have kids in their rankings that have never been to a PBR event. Of course the PBR rankings match up more with PG by the time kids are juniors and seniors.....there are a lot less kids playing than there are when they are 14 or 15....and the upper level kids have separated from the pack by that point. PBR does has some "national" guys now....and I'm sure they are seeing the same things that PG sees....except that PG sees them at their events and PBR has to either see them somewhere in person or base their rankings on their state guys who have seen/know the kids.
Buckeye 2015 posted:K9 posted:So will PBR become more national and less "regionalized"?
From what I have seen PBR is built, staffed and run by the local baseball establishment. So that the biases that exist around certain travel teams, schools, coaches, and players are baked into their rankings, for 9th and 10th graders. PG seems to be much more independent and data driven. Over time, the PBR ratings evolve so that they generally are in sync with PG by the time the kids are seniors.
I don't know if it's biased....it's the same as PG....if they've never seen you, they don't know you exist. The difference, at least here in Ohio...at least some of the other PBR states as someone else mentioned is that PBR goes out to HS regular season games and summer tourneys (even those that they don't host) and looks at kids. Sure, you can be seen at a PBR showcase, but they have kids in their rankings that have never been to a PBR event. Of course the PBR rankings match up more with PG by the time kids are juniors and seniors.....there are a lot less kids playing than there are when they are 14 or 15....and the upper level kids have separated from the pack by that point. PBR does has some "national" guys now....and I'm sure they are seeing the same things that PG sees....except that PG sees them at their events and PBR has to either see them somewhere in person or base their rankings on their state guys who have seen/know the kids.
Respectfully, it is not the same as PG.
RoadRunner posted:Buckeye 2015 posted:K9 posted:So will PBR become more national and less "regionalized"?
From what I have seen PBR is built, staffed and run by the local baseball establishment. So that the biases that exist around certain travel teams, schools, coaches, and players are baked into their rankings, for 9th and 10th graders. PG seems to be much more independent and data driven. Over time, the PBR ratings evolve so that they generally are in sync with PG by the time the kids are seniors.
I don't know if it's biased....it's the same as PG....if they've never seen you, they don't know you exist. The difference, at least here in Ohio...at least some of the other PBR states as someone else mentioned is that PBR goes out to HS regular season games and summer tourneys (even those that they don't host) and looks at kids. Sure, you can be seen at a PBR showcase, but they have kids in their rankings that have never been to a PBR event. Of course the PBR rankings match up more with PG by the time kids are juniors and seniors.....there are a lot less kids playing than there are when they are 14 or 15....and the upper level kids have separated from the pack by that point. PBR does has some "national" guys now....and I'm sure they are seeing the same things that PG sees....except that PG sees them at their events and PBR has to either see them somewhere in person or base their rankings on their state guys who have seen/know the kids.
Respectfully, it is not the same as PG.
My "same as PG" comment was only directed to the point that in most cases, if PG doesn't see you you're not ranked. My son was ranked well above where he realistically should have been in the PG preseason state rankings heading into his senior year....because he had played in the 17U WWBA that summer. The other guys listed above him had also.....even though there were other kids from the state much more deserving of being ranked that high. PBR had seen more kids that age from our state....and their rankings were much more realistic.
The 2019 rankings by PG and PBR are extremely different, outside of the top 30 or so kids. Don't know who is "right," but they are different -- often by 100 spots or more.
atlnon posted:Local news article today: http://daily-tribune.com/stori...aseball-report,20706
"Rimrock Capital Management has gone public with a "sizable investment" in Illinois-headquartered scouting service Prep Baseball Report"
"he did say the deal is multi-year and that under the arrangement, LakePoint has financially invested in the event organizer — and vice-versa"
I really hope that PBR knows what they're doing by getting involved with a hedge fund. I thought they were doing a nice job growing the company before this deal.
BaseballBUDDY posted:All of this Prep stuff assists in the creation of Life-Long Baseball Fans.
Keep drinking the Koolade and our grand kids will be placed on the next level of Prep Baseball.
In the end, MLB is filling seats
The money in pro sports isn’t selling tickets. Every team isn’t selling tickets like the Red Sox. When I went to games in Baltimore and Philadelphia (Fenway South) I bought the worst seats and chose a premiere seat. In Baltimore it was $10 obstructed view to sit twenty rows behind the dugout.
The money is in tv contracts. Viewership is down. Go to a MLB baseball park. It’s as much about the experience as the game for the average fan. But now pro sports are recognizing viewers aren’t necessarily watching even if the game is on in the room.
Hockey is about to launch ahead of the curve. Every sport will follow. The other major sports have experiemented with this. But it’s not a regular offering.
“What it will not be: sitting on the couch and staring at the television screen on your wall. That concept is as much of a relic as a black-and-white set with rabbit ears.”