Short to zone...Long through zone

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Originally posted by wayback:
Extension is done at the proper time during rotation to untuck the rear arm and allow the top hand to rotate and whip the barrel into and through contact.

I think that extension happens automatically as the result of the powerful swing (and after the point of contact).

IOW, extension is a non-teach.

If you generate enough batspeed, then your arms, hands, and wrists aren't strong enough to generate enough centripetal force to counteract the centrifugal force that is generated by the bat. The arms then get pulled into the Power V.

The back elbow and hands are connected at the point of contact...






...and then get pulled into the Power V...

mmmm, bottom two pics, the "SWING THAT SILENCED HOUSTON!!" lidge is still rubbing his neck after that one exited stage left!!

Lets take that last picture.

• Hands have just come off of the "Merry-Go-Round" and you can see that they have not extended straight, have not rolled over anything...
• Look at that frontside. His toe is still maintaining instead of flying out or getting on the heel (toe up).
• Notice that the body is still maintaining tilt.
• Notice that back toe. No squishing the toe here.
• Hips and shoulders are just about parallel to each other.
• Notice in the crowd that CoachB25 is jumping for joy. Ok so I lied about that one but I wish I was there.

I love those pics. Of course a million others might not see what I see but then again, that's part of the fun of this. JMHO!

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Hands have just come off of the "Merry-Go-Round" and you can see that they have not extended straight, have not rolled over anything

Pujols doesn't form the Power V or roll his wrists until a couple of frames AFTER the point of contact.

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Notice that back toe. No squishing the toe here.

He does FINISH in a position that looks like squishing the bug, but that's well after the Point Of Contact.





I think that people looked at photos like the ones above and (mistakenly) assumed that that that was what good hitters also looked like DURING their swings. Of course, people who do that fail to notice that Pujols' toe is actually OFF THE GROUND at the point of contact.

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Notice in the crowd that CoachB25 is jumping for joy. Ok so I lied about that one but I wish I was there.

I was rolling around on the floor screaming "He did it! He did it! He did it!"

The 'eye' of the hurricane is your hands not your shoulders.

That's why it's a pinwheel.....not a merry go round.

followed by:

http://photos.imageevent.com/siggy/hitting/pro/Rose.gif

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Originally posted by BlueDog:

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It appears that Bluedog has now gone over to the DARK SIDE!!! LOL!

Coach, I've always taught to let the arms and hands find the swing plane.........

The difference between me and the DARK SIDE is that I teach only one engine and it isn't the hands and arms....

Bluedog, you can't fault a guy for making a post every once in a while just for fun can you?

Evening Shep. Where do you get these photos from. Classics!!

Mark

Thanks Shep.

"short to the zone" means having a quick, compact swing to the zone and "long through the zone" means staying in the zone as long as you can with your extention because that's how you will get your power from. If you pull off the ball and don't extend, what happens? You hit weak ground balls but if you extend. BOOM!

Shep, Did you notice that the Babe has the Mitt on his Lefthand.
But the picture is not reversed.
The player in the front has the R on his Jersey the Right Direction.

Look's like a catcher's mask if thay had them back then??

Follow-through is a continuation of your swing,
Meaningless as far as the hit ball is concerned.
But important to proper swing mechanic's??
EH

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But important to proper swing mechanic's??

You can see high, medium and low follow-throughs in MLB swings.......It's how you get to the ball that matters.....Some hitters relax totally at ball contact, some don't.....

While I agree on the finish not being as important, it does some significant information in my opinion. I agree that matching the swing plane will affect whether the finish is high or low and so, it isn't representative of commenting on one fixted type of swing ie. finish high. However, it tells a story of balance, tilt, and efficient rotation. Bluedog and I have disagreed to this in degrees and I do agree with him that the ball has left the bat and so... In video, I can sometimes show a hitter that finish and they can tell me what they percieve that they did wrong in the swing. I believe that it can be effective in helping hitters understand the swing process to a limited but beneficial degree.

SORRY, I WAS INTERRUPTED AND POSTED THIS WITHOUT AN EXAMPLE:

This past week at our hitting camp, a parent was upset over their childs "finish." This young man was coming off of that back foot, and at times placing his foot down on the plate. I asked the parent why was this bad. I received a couple of answers but lack of balance was the main focus. I then asked that same parent was their child balanced during the swing process and how much energy did that parent want stored in that body after uncoil? In this example, this young man was hitting the heck out of the ball and so, what appeared to be a bad finish, I hope was used to explain to a parent the realities of a young man really getting after it hitting.

Watching film of swings in reverse can show as much as watching them normally sometimes. In some ways it shows things you would never notice otherwise.

So, what does someone who believes it matters look for in a follow-through?......A high finish?...Medium?.....Low?........All?.......None?........

It's like holding up on a throw to home by a pitcher.
You could pull something??
As far as finish of the follow thru??
If, That's the word.

IF you hit the Ball, and you follow thru!!
That's when you let go of the bat and Run like a crazed pack of Dog's to first base.

Were you finish would be determind by were the ball was pitched?
EH

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Originally posted by Shepster:

Banks' hands, are not together. Interesting.

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Were you finish would be determind by were the ball was pitched?

Not according to video....

BlueDog

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So, what does someone who believes it matters look for in a follow-through?......A high finish?...Medium?.....Low?........All?.......None?........

Meaning were you finish your follow-thru?

Low outside pitch=Low outside follow-thru

High inside pitch=High inside follow-thru

Do you catch the pattern going on here?

Do they call that making adjustment's to the pitch that's being thrown??
EH

A low pitch will have a higher follow-thru.

A high pitch will have a lower follow-thru.

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A low pitch will have a higher follow-thru.

A high pitch will have a lower follow-thru.

I assume the proper shoulder tilt will affect the follow through. Low pitch--lots of tilt--high follow through.

"Low outside pitch=Low outside follow-thru

High inside pitch=High inside follow-thru

Do you catch the pattern going on here?"


Do you catch a pattern????.....Is that what you see here?....

http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/bonds600.mpeg

http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/nomar3.mpeg

Bluedog, I gotta say..my kids wonder what I'm looking at while in the internet. They wonder why I smile so much.

I tell 'em videos, and keep smiling. Thanks.

By the way, is the answer: the swing never changes.

The body tilts to bring the barrel to the ball. But, the barrel has the same path relative to it's position of the body.

The barrrel enters the hitting zone parallel to the shoulders and exits it parallel to the shoulders. The follow through varies depending on top hand on, top hand off, or style.

You have to love that Bluedog! Although I've never met or spoken to him in person, I consider him a good friend! Merry Christmas old buddy!

Merry Christmas to all indeed.....

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Hey BlueDog and Board
How about this one?

There is no pattern to a follow-through in MLB hitters.......Because the follow-through doesn't matter.....It can be low, medium or high on any given pitch....

I teach, and always have, to find the swing plane with the hands and arms.......I, also teach to power with the middle, which requires using posture to ensure connection....

I believe many get confused with the relationship between connection and extension.....They are closely related, yet many believe they are opposites.....

Where extension becomes "bad" extension is when the arms and hands produce power....

This is "good" extension...

http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/mac01.mpeg

http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/mac03.mpeg

He didn't do it with posture...

http://imageevent.com/siggy/hitting/pro?p=37&n=1&m=12&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=9

Shep, I would advise not to think of swinging a bat as matching swing plane with plane of the pitch.....

If there even is such a thing, the plane of the pitch has nothing to do with swing plane.....

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I teach, and always have, to find the swing plane with the hands and arms

Bluedog, Merry Christmas to you and yours...

Agreed, and in finding the swing plane with hands/arms your posture should adjust accordingly without any conscious action similar to that of the rear elbow.

This kid had a very nice year at the plate and believe this is what they had in mind when they said "short to the ball, long through the ball" These video's would also seem to disprove the hands along for the ride theory.

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EH, Babe was a catcher, a right-handed catcher

The Babe, The best Left handed power hitter of all time?

Left handed winning WS pitcher with 27 scoreless, Hitless inning's??

And now a right handed catcher???

Know wonder he's the greatest ballplayer of all time????

EH

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BlueDog is correct, the arms and hands find the plane through the process of hand-eye coordination.

The absolutes are those that put the batter in position to make that final adjustment to bring the barrel to a ball with movement.

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12)Arms and hands make last nanosecond adjustments to ensure contact with sweetness.

And Pow, Ball is driven to deep right field and gone.
Another great hit.

This is the EH's shortened version.

1.SEE BALL
2.HIT BALL

Merry Christmas Shep, And All the HSBBW.
Must go to work.
Be back in the Morning.
EH

PS. Have a new Blackberry.
Once I figure it out.
Will be in touch 24/7.
LOL