Which is to stabalize the body as the weight is kept back and the upper body rotates.
We'll have to attribute the difference to different styles and agree to disagree..
There is no one style fits all in most things.
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There is no one style fits all in most things.
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Years ago when we had a Minor league team our cable company ran camps for the young guys.
I remember I always had a big stride and the instructor taught hort stride to the toe to stabaliz your swing. 5-6 inches front toe on the ground and heel slightly off the ground. Rotate the hips and upper body and drive through the ball. My son who wasn't a big hitter became the top hitter on his AAA team. Drove a ball clear out of the park at CF. 15 rbis in 3 games. He soon fell back to earth as the old habits crept in. The pro simlified his swing and he made better contact. To me good contact is the most importnt part of hitting. It is also the most impotant part of pitching. the only thing I find with you ideas is that it creates too much body movement and hingers good contact.
Yes we can agree to disagree.
I remember I always had a big stride and the instructor taught hort stride to the toe to stabaliz your swing. 5-6 inches front toe on the ground and heel slightly off the ground. Rotate the hips and upper body and drive through the ball. My son who wasn't a big hitter became the top hitter on his AAA team. Drove a ball clear out of the park at CF. 15 rbis in 3 games. He soon fell back to earth as the old habits crept in. The pro simlified his swing and he made better contact. To me good contact is the most importnt part of hitting. It is also the most impotant part of pitching. the only thing I find with you ideas is that it creates too much body movement and hingers good contact.
Yes we can agree to disagree.
I know exactly what you are saying.
This stride/weight shift couldn't be more than six inches. The speed generated would cause the bat to fly out of the hands or the batter to lose balance.
I would be agreeing right along with you on a stride of even a foot.
Most people move to a lighter bat to get more control, but once they get it, they love it.
As we agree, it is really a matter of what works for the individual.
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This stride/weight shift couldn't be more than six inches. The speed generated would cause the bat to fly out of the hands or the batter to lose balance.
I would be agreeing right along with you on a stride of even a foot.
Most people move to a lighter bat to get more control, but once they get it, they love it.
As we agree, it is really a matter of what works for the individual.
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Perfect contact or good swing ?
See Belliard
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w_id=599234&...l=&type=v_free&_mp=1
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See Belliard
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w_id=599234&...l=&type=v_free&_mp=1
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I can't see the video frame by frame but what I can see is the front leg locked out right before the bat and shoulders come around.
You keep postig clips that proves everyone elses point,you must really be bored.
You keep postig clips that proves everyone elses point,you must really be bored.
How would you teach that swing?
Apparently it is effective
Was that only one hand on the bat?
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Apparently it is effective
Was that only one hand on the bat?
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He was able to stay back on a change up,He locked his front leg and was able to drive the ball out of the park.
This is what almost everyone is telling you why the mechanics used by most are effective.
I would teach it as everyone is telling you to teach a swing and adjust from there,he adjusted.
IMO
This is what almost everyone is telling you why the mechanics used by most are effective.
I would teach it as everyone is telling you to teach a swing and adjust from there,he adjusted.
IMO
Gee, it looks like he lost his balance and grip on the bat.
How did he get enough to hit that out while flailing?
I'd love to see that batting school.
I'm wondering if his eyes were open or shut.
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How did he get enough to hit that out while flailing?
I'd love to see that batting school.
I'm wondering if his eyes were open or shut.
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Front leg drive
quote:Originally posted by Quincy:
Gee, it looks like he lost his balance and grip on the bat.
How did he get enough to hit that out while flailing?
I'd love to see that batting school.
I'm wondering if his eyes were open or shut.
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He threw his hands at an outside pitch and was a little out in front of it. Strength, rotation, and hitting it on the sweet spot, is how he hit it out of the park.
quote:Originally posted by micmeister:
Okay, I misread that part of his quote, but I'm pretty sure I understand what he's saying here. He is saying once the top hand fires, it's job is over. If that were the case, you could let go at that point. That's like saying the pushers in a bobsled race don't have to be fast runners. They can just be strong, make one big push and jump in. That's just craziness IMO. The whole physics arguement is mute also, it doesn't apply here. We aren't on the moon, so gravity, friction, the bat still being held by the bottom hand and oh, the ball striking the bat at 90 plus mph all happen that make the bat slow down. If you don't keep up the momentum through contact, the bat will win.
It seems that some ideas are adjusting.
Good to see
Strength as in maintaining string tension, rotation as in centripital accelleration and hitting the sweet spot as in perfect contact.
Accidental home run
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quote:Originally posted by Quincy:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by micmeister:
It seems that some ideas are adjusting.
Good to see
Strength as in maintaining string tension, rotation as in centripital accelleration and hitting the sweet spot as in perfect contact.
Accidental home run
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I didn't change anything I said. He still had both hands on the bat and was still in good body position
when he made contact. Not just anyone can do something like that. Again, I am teaching High School kids and younger, they don't have that kind of strength. That's not to say they couldn't make contact, but it would more than likely be a blooper over the infield.
The only strength that was exhibited was in his ability to hold on to the bat with one hand through the swing.
That is what we'll refer to as the Bobby Jones lesson.
He lost his balance and his grip on the bat.
Mic,
If you teach your kids the lessons of the Bobby Jones swing mechanics, they can apply them when hitting the stationary ball off the tee. They'll have advanced swing mechanics and an advanced swing.
Just make sure that they are swinging the weight that's right for them.
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That is what we'll refer to as the Bobby Jones lesson.
He lost his balance and his grip on the bat.
Mic,
If you teach your kids the lessons of the Bobby Jones swing mechanics, they can apply them when hitting the stationary ball off the tee. They'll have advanced swing mechanics and an advanced swing.
Just make sure that they are swinging the weight that's right for them.
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QUINCY
I get it now---you coach a golf team
I get it now---you coach a golf team
quote:If you teach your kids the lessons of the Bobby Jones swing mechanics, they can apply them when hitting the stationary ball off the tee. They'll have advanced swing mechanics and an advanced swing.
Just make sure that they are swinging the weight that's right for them.
While I have never been a big fan of the Tee, most coaches swear by it.
Seems you may have grabbed the Preparation H while reaching for the Brylcreem before posting that retort.
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quote:While I have never been a big fan of the Tee, most coaches swear by it.
Yeah, but Bobby Jones used a tee...
quote:Originally posted by deemax:quote:While I have never been a big fan of the Tee, most coaches swear by it.
Yeah, but Bobby Jones used a tee...
The Tee may help for 'swing mechanics' and hand eye coordination, but it can only help so much.
If it is the accepted use that will assist coaches in teaching better 'swing mechanics', I'm all for it.
The more important thing is taking those mechanics to live pitching to develop timing and contact. Tee work alone can lead to bad habits.
The better the swing the better the chance to make good solid contact.
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If it is the accepted use that will assist coaches in teaching better 'swing mechanics', I'm all for it.
The more important thing is taking those mechanics to live pitching to develop timing and contact. Tee work alone can lead to bad habits.
The better the swing the better the chance to make good solid contact.
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MUSCLE MEMORY,that is a phrase you need to learn something about.
Even MLB players still use the tee to keep muscle memory.
That is how you do things without thinking about it,you just react.If you have to think,you are late.
Even MLB players still use the tee to keep muscle memory.
That is how you do things without thinking about it,you just react.If you have to think,you are late.
We called it reflex.
If you practice enough, things just happen as they should through reflex.
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If you practice enough, things just happen as they should through reflex.
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Open a free hitting school and teach your theories there.
Then come back and tell us how it went.
Then come back and tell us how it went.
quote:Originally posted by tfox:
Open a free hitting school and teach your theories there.
Then come back and tell us how it went.
No way, don't encourage him to ruin more kid's swings.
I'll leave you guys to continue to do what you have been doing.
This swing works very well from a perspective of bat speed and power generated.
When success in three out of ten shots in other sports is considered even decent, I'll consider you guys correct.
Those who try it and understand it will appreciate it.
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This swing works very well from a perspective of bat speed and power generated.
When success in three out of ten shots in other sports is considered even decent, I'll consider you guys correct.
Those who try it and understand it will appreciate it.
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Quincy
Who is using "this swing" and where? --what is the success rate?
You fail to mention this or is it just in your garage off a tee?
Who is using "this swing" and where? --what is the success rate?
You fail to mention this or is it just in your garage off a tee?
quote:Originally posted by Z-Dad:quote:Originally posted by tfox:
Open a free hitting school and teach your theories there.
Then come back and tell us how it went.
No way, don't encourage him to ruin more kid's swings.
He wouldn't ruin many,if any.It won't take long for them to see it won't work.
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This is absolutely laughable at this point.
Actually, I think it's sad that you just don't get it.
quote:Originally posted by Quincy:
Actually, I think it's sad that you just don't get it.
You pulling our leg,I get it.
TR,
Your ignorance of the game, the rules and most every thread that you posted on is very well documented.
Everyone else seems to understand that you have no clue except you.
Sad indeed.
I'll go back to ignoring you again as most people do.
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Your ignorance of the game, the rules and most every thread that you posted on is very well documented.
Everyone else seems to understand that you have no clue except you.
Sad indeed.
I'll go back to ignoring you again as most people do.
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Same kid,MAYBE same swing without the 2 frame DELAY.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Ai-x4YcMA
Notice where the bat is in relation to when the front leg touches down and then where it locks out.
Now, same kid getting fooled on pitch and see how he is able stay back and send it to right field.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cerv8l-zytM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Ai-x4YcMA
Notice where the bat is in relation to when the front leg touches down and then where it locks out.
Now, same kid getting fooled on pitch and see how he is able stay back and send it to right field.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cerv8l-zytM
tfox.... I like your posts. Is your boy still hitting it well?
Yes
He is in live pitch now and struck out for the first time last game.First in 5 live pitch games.I hate to say it was a bad called strike but when the coaches are standing behind their pitcher(instructional league) calling strikes that are above the head of the hitter and outside the plate,what are you to say?
I did drop his bat weight to a 19 oz because he has lost a bit of his agressiveness and is sitting on the pitch longer(locating placement),which means he needs a quicker bat.Pretty well rest assured though,if he swings,he makes contact.Lost some power but that is to be expected.He has been hit 3 times and hasn't backed out yet.
He has drawn alot of walks which I like to see him being patient.(if you knew him,you would understand that statement)
He is in live pitch now and struck out for the first time last game.First in 5 live pitch games.I hate to say it was a bad called strike but when the coaches are standing behind their pitcher(instructional league) calling strikes that are above the head of the hitter and outside the plate,what are you to say?
I did drop his bat weight to a 19 oz because he has lost a bit of his agressiveness and is sitting on the pitch longer(locating placement),which means he needs a quicker bat.Pretty well rest assured though,if he swings,he makes contact.Lost some power but that is to be expected.He has been hit 3 times and hasn't backed out yet.
He has drawn alot of walks which I like to see him being patient.(if you knew him,you would understand that statement)
Quincy
It is truly an honor to be degraded by one such as you---you still have not answered my questions and you call me ignorant---absolutely amazing---give us the answers to the questions I asked---or perhaps you cannot answer them
It is truly an honor to be degraded by one such as you---you still have not answered my questions and you call me ignorant---absolutely amazing---give us the answers to the questions I asked---or perhaps you cannot answer them
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quincy:
TR,
Your ignorance of the game, the rules and most every thread that you posted on is very well documented.
Everyone else seems to understand that you have no clue except you.
Sad indeed.
I'll go back to ignoring you again as most people do.
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very sad indeedy,you think at his age somebody would have invited him over for pinnochle..lol..but then again
TR,
Your ignorance of the game, the rules and most every thread that you posted on is very well documented.
Everyone else seems to understand that you have no clue except you.
Sad indeed.
I'll go back to ignoring you again as most people do.
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very sad indeedy,you think at his age somebody would have invited him over for pinnochle..lol..but then again
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
golf balls
baseballs
are they the same? I had Rocky Mountain Oysters once--are they the same ?
I always am bewildered how one can equate hitting a baseball with hitting a golf ball---one is moving and the other is stationary---
-EDITED DUE TO ATTACK-
very similar swings although the golf swing has more rotation and coil because there is no 90 mph ball comming at them...very similar
wog
Hitting a ball on a tee is not the same as hitting a 90plus fastball or slider---you can believe what you want
Do you stride in a golf swing?
Do you stride in a golf swing/
With a golf swing do you have to adjust with the pitch?
You and Quincy have a nice day
Hitting a ball on a tee is not the same as hitting a 90plus fastball or slider---you can believe what you want
Do you stride in a golf swing?
Do you stride in a golf swing/
With a golf swing do you have to adjust with the pitch?
You and Quincy have a nice day
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TRhit:
wog
Hitting a ball on a tee is not the same as hitting a 90plus fastball or slider---you can believe what you want
Do you stride in a golf swing?
Do you stride in a golf swing/
With a golf swing do you have to adjust with the pitch?
exactly its not the same the golf swing has a bigger turn,,but same mechanics... have a nice day yourself...and good luck trying
wog
Hitting a ball on a tee is not the same as hitting a 90plus fastball or slider---you can believe what you want
Do you stride in a golf swing?
Do you stride in a golf swing/
With a golf swing do you have to adjust with the pitch?
exactly its not the same the golf swing has a bigger turn,,but same mechanics... have a nice day yourself...and good luck trying
wogdoggy
What do you shoot on the golf course?
What do you shoot on the golf course?
