Bashing, bashing but no basic questions answered. It definitely says something...........
The proof is in the pudding.......
Tim Robertson
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
wogdoggy
What do you shoot on the golf course?
I shoot in the low 80's any hotter than that and i wont play.
Fall ball should be interesting. More baseball playing kids are out swinging golf clubs in their spare time.
Might make for some interesting games to watch this fall and spring.
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Might make for some interesting games to watch this fall and spring.
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quote:Originally posted by wogdoggy:quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
wogdoggy
What do you shoot on the golf course?
I shoot in the low 80's any hotter than that and i wont play.
quote:Originally posted by Quincy:
Fall ball should be interesting. More baseball playing kids are out swinging golf clubs in their spare time.
Might make for some interesting games to watch this fall and spring.
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Quincy,
Is that so? Does that mean that you have polled the tens of thousands of baseball playing kids and asked if they have been playing more golf?
Or is it just a guess - or a statement to support your theories - with no actual data to support it?
This is the type of misinformation that is hurtful to our young players.
If you play more golf - you will most likely experience some improvement in your golf game. But it wont do a darn thing for your baseball game.
Interesting games this fall? LOL - If you consider a round of golf to be a game. I agree.
It is what I see.
Conversely, you offer no data to disprove what I have said.
Could it be that you are the harbinger of disinformation?
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Conversely, you offer no data to disprove what I have said.
Could it be that you are the harbinger of disinformation?
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Actually - from all of the college and pro players that I have spoken to the last 5 years - still a very small sample size - almost every one of them said they no longer have time for golf.
Interesting - and in direct contrast to what you are saying.
Its like going up to someone in a rainstorm - and they are dripping wet - and you tell them - It is not raining. LOL
Interesting - and in direct contrast to what you are saying.
Its like going up to someone in a rainstorm - and they are dripping wet - and you tell them - It is not raining. LOL
That's pretty funny since I wave to Yankee foursomes every winter.
The A ball kids that are home are even out with the clubs.
One Nats A baller is working on his golf swing to stay on the breaking ball. Says he may get fast tracked next year if he is moved to first base. But that is just speculation until next year.
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The A ball kids that are home are even out with the clubs.
One Nats A baller is working on his golf swing to stay on the breaking ball. Says he may get fast tracked next year if he is moved to first base. But that is just speculation until next year.
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Yeah - thats great. Keep waving. LOL
Nothing like hitting a stationary ball that is 1/8th the size of your club - to help you when you have to hit a baseball coming in at you - and moving - at 94 MPH.
Sounds great!
Nothing like hitting a stationary ball that is 1/8th the size of your club - to help you when you have to hit a baseball coming in at you - and moving - at 94 MPH.
Sounds great!
You know your in trouble when your #3 hitter drives a baseball to the opposite field, And yells ( Darn it I sliced it. )
LOL
EH
LOL
EH
A slicing shot to the opposite field is usually good for a double.
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Who is this Nats A Baller you speak of Quincy?
Wouldn't be right to say since it is speculation.
But there are a few talented players in the organization that are showing great promise.
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But there are a few talented players in the organization that are showing great promise.
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heres one kid who can golf and hit...four foot 11 and 87 lbs..wish i could hit em as straight and consistent as he does.
ENCOURAGE your kid to play all sports,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcfhiZEd52I
ENCOURAGE your kid to play all sports,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcfhiZEd52I
Quincy,
You do know that you've replied to one of them, don't you? A 1B that was at both low and high A this past year with the Nats.
You do know that you've replied to one of them, don't you? A 1B that was at both low and high A this past year with the Nats.
I love golf, and there are some similarities in the golf swing to the baseball swing, but IMO one cannot be taught with the other. For myself, I golf right handed and bat left-handed, so its not an issue. Therefore, I am definitely not the one working on my golf swing to hit the breaking ball 
PG, my cover has been blown! In all honesty though, I was just wondering who the player was, although it makes no difference to me. I was just curious.
PG, my cover has been blown! In all honesty though, I was just wondering who the player was, although it makes no difference to me. I was just curious.
You must be speaking in code.
I didn't answer either way.
Bee, swing mechanics are the same no matter what you are swinging. The key is trusting the tool in the swing and allowing it to do the majority of the work.
I didn't answer either way.
Bee, swing mechanics are the same no matter what you are swinging. The key is trusting the tool in the swing and allowing it to do the majority of the work.
quote:Originally posted by Quincy:
You must be speaking in code.
I didn't answer either way.
Bee, swing mechanics are the same no matter what you are swinging. The key is trusting the tool in the swing and allowing it to do the majority of the work.
Okay! Here is the last thing I'm going to say about golf. What is the difference between Tiger Woods' swing and say....Ernie Els??? Do both work??? Does Tiger let the club do most of the work???
quote:Originally posted by wogdoggy:
heres one kid who can golf and hit...four foot 11 and 87 lbs..wish i could hit em as straight and consistent as he does.
ENCOURAGE your kid to play all sports,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcfhiZEd52I
WD, I love that vid...reminds me of my little boy when he hits a baseball or golfball well.
quote:Originally posted by deemax:quote:Originally posted by wogdoggy:
heres one kid who can golf and hit...four foot 11 and 87 lbs..wish i could hit em as straight and consistent as he does.
ENCOURAGE your kid to play all sports,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcfhiZEd52I
WD, I love that vid...reminds me of my little boy when he hits a baseball or golfball well.
the kid just loves to hit golf balls.to be successful in either sport you must have a smooth tension free swing that uses ALL the muscles ...the swings are very similar
Quincy,
I strongly disagree with your opinion that "swing mechanics are the same no matter what you are swinging." I do agree, like I said before, that the golf swing and the baseball swing have many similarities, but you can't teach one with the other. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't take a kid to the driving range, put a 7-iron in his hand, and tell him that if he hits some golf balls it will help his baseball swing. In the same breath, I wouldn't take a kid to a batting cage, give him a baseball bat, and tell him that if he hits some baseballs, it will help his golf game. IMO, if this were true, Tiger Woods could go play major league baseball and Alex Rodriguez could go play on the PGA Tour. Its just not feasable. There are too many differences in the mechanics of hitting a stationary ball on a tee an inch off the ground with a flat faced club when compared to hitting a round ball with a round bat thrown to you at varying speeds and angles (Please reference "The Science of Hitting" by Ted Williams to get the full extent of this fact). It simply is not the same thing. I do agree that "trusting the tool in the swing" is part of what needs to be done, but that vague generalization does not equate one swing to the other. Go look at tape of A-Rod compared to Tiger, for example. For one, A-Rod almost always releases his top hand after contact. Does Tiger rlease his top hand after hitting a golf ball? or Ernie Els? Or Sergio Garcia? Or any pro golfer ever? That is just one of the many differences in the swing mechanics of golf to baseball.
If you want to refer to the swing mechanics of Bobby Jones, as you did a few days ago ("If you teach your kids the lessons of the Bobby Jones swing mechanics, they can apply them when hitting the stationary ball off the tee. They'll have advanced swing mechanics and an advanced swing.") go ahead, but leave it to the golf course. Teaching a kid who wants to golf the Bobby Jones swing mechanics is outstanding. Teaching a kid who wants to hit a baseball, even if it is on a tee, the Bobby Jones swing mechanics is IMO incorrect. If a kid is hitting a baseball off of a tee, it is roughly two to three feet off of the ground (a lot higher than a golf ball would be). If he was to use the same swing path (part of his MECHANICS) to hit the baseball that he would use to hit a golf ball, he would hit the base of the tee and knock it over. I know you are not a fan of the tee, but you used it as a reference to Bobby Jones, who, as Deemax stated "used a tee," so I feel it only fair to mention it here. If you still feel that the swing mechanics are the same please let us who disagree know.
As for speaking in code, I am a first baseman in the Washington Nationals system. Hope that clears things up for you
I strongly disagree with your opinion that "swing mechanics are the same no matter what you are swinging." I do agree, like I said before, that the golf swing and the baseball swing have many similarities, but you can't teach one with the other. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't take a kid to the driving range, put a 7-iron in his hand, and tell him that if he hits some golf balls it will help his baseball swing. In the same breath, I wouldn't take a kid to a batting cage, give him a baseball bat, and tell him that if he hits some baseballs, it will help his golf game. IMO, if this were true, Tiger Woods could go play major league baseball and Alex Rodriguez could go play on the PGA Tour. Its just not feasable. There are too many differences in the mechanics of hitting a stationary ball on a tee an inch off the ground with a flat faced club when compared to hitting a round ball with a round bat thrown to you at varying speeds and angles (Please reference "The Science of Hitting" by Ted Williams to get the full extent of this fact). It simply is not the same thing. I do agree that "trusting the tool in the swing" is part of what needs to be done, but that vague generalization does not equate one swing to the other. Go look at tape of A-Rod compared to Tiger, for example. For one, A-Rod almost always releases his top hand after contact. Does Tiger rlease his top hand after hitting a golf ball? or Ernie Els? Or Sergio Garcia? Or any pro golfer ever? That is just one of the many differences in the swing mechanics of golf to baseball.
If you want to refer to the swing mechanics of Bobby Jones, as you did a few days ago ("If you teach your kids the lessons of the Bobby Jones swing mechanics, they can apply them when hitting the stationary ball off the tee. They'll have advanced swing mechanics and an advanced swing.") go ahead, but leave it to the golf course. Teaching a kid who wants to golf the Bobby Jones swing mechanics is outstanding. Teaching a kid who wants to hit a baseball, even if it is on a tee, the Bobby Jones swing mechanics is IMO incorrect. If a kid is hitting a baseball off of a tee, it is roughly two to three feet off of the ground (a lot higher than a golf ball would be). If he was to use the same swing path (part of his MECHANICS) to hit the baseball that he would use to hit a golf ball, he would hit the base of the tee and knock it over. I know you are not a fan of the tee, but you used it as a reference to Bobby Jones, who, as Deemax stated "used a tee," so I feel it only fair to mention it here. If you still feel that the swing mechanics are the same please let us who disagree know.
As for speaking in code, I am a first baseman in the Washington Nationals system. Hope that clears things up for you
Well, congratulations on making the minors and good luck in your journey to the MLB.
You seem to agree with the swing mechanics issue, but you get lost in the specifics of each swing. The key to both is string tension and centripetal force.
Any batter who does not use centripetal force as the main source of bat speed will be at best a .250 hitter. I would qualify that the batter who can bunt for singles can raise his average.
I'm sure you would agree that a player who is not excelling at his present level of assignment would have little chance of advancement.
Again, good luck in your journey to the majors. Never forget even when you get there, there is always room to improve your game offensively and defensively.
Always seek to excell. Never settle to be average.
You seem to agree with the swing mechanics issue, but you get lost in the specifics of each swing. The key to both is string tension and centripetal force.
Any batter who does not use centripetal force as the main source of bat speed will be at best a .250 hitter. I would qualify that the batter who can bunt for singles can raise his average.
I'm sure you would agree that a player who is not excelling at his present level of assignment would have little chance of advancement.
Again, good luck in your journey to the majors. Never forget even when you get there, there is always room to improve your game offensively and defensively.
Always seek to excell. Never settle to be average.
I'm skeptical about the actual knowledge of any poster who likes to throw around terms like "centripetal" without knowing how to spell them correctly...
...or that contact should be made at the moment that the foot lands, when no well-hit ball in the history of Baseball has seen this happen.
Watch more video please...
...or that contact should be made at the moment that the foot lands, when no well-hit ball in the history of Baseball has seen this happen.
Watch more video please...
quote:Originally posted by LevelPath19:
I'm skeptical about the actual knowledge of any poster who likes to throw around terms like "centripetal" without knowing how to spell them correctly...
Forget the misspelling, he throws terms out that he has absolutely no clue what they mean. String tension?! ROFL!
BTW we all know the one key difference in golf and baseball swings is the amount of arm extension. In golf they are at full extension at contact whereas in baseball both arms tend to stay flexed at contact, with the back arm near 90 degrees.
quote:Originally posted by LevelPath19:
...when no well-hit ball in the history of Baseball has seen this happen.
Typical hitting instructor. Correct my spelling error and then used fractured grammar.
I'm sure your specialty is 'seeing eye' base hits.
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quote:Originally posted by beemax:
Quincy,
I strongly disagree with your opinion that "swing mechanics are the same no matter what you are swinging." I do agree, like I said before, that the golf swing and the baseball swing have many similarities, but you can't teach one with the other. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't take a kid to the driving range, put a 7-iron in his hand, and tell him that if he hits some golf balls it will help his baseball swing. In the same breath, I wouldn't take a kid to a batting cage, give him a baseball bat, and tell him that if he hits some baseballs, it will help his golf game. IMO, if this were true, Tiger Woods could go play major league baseball and Alex Rodriguez could go play on the PGA Tour. Its just not feasable. There are too many differences in the mechanics of hitting a stationary ball on a tee an inch off the ground with a flat faced club when compared to hitting a round ball with a round bat thrown to you at varying speeds and angles (Please reference "The Science of Hitting" by Ted Williams to get the full extent of this fact). It simply is not the same thing. I do agree that "trusting the tool in the swing" is part of what needs to be done, but that vague generalization does not equate one swing to the other. Go look at tape of A-Rod compared to Tiger, for example. For one, A-Rod almost always releases his top hand after contact. Does Tiger rlease his top hand after hitting a golf ball? or Ernie Els? Or Sergio Garcia? Or any pro golfer ever? That is just one of the many differences in the swing mechanics of golf to baseball.
If you want to refer to the swing mechanics of Bobby Jones, as you did a few days ago ("If you teach your kids the lessons of the Bobby Jones swing mechanics, they can apply them when hitting the stationary ball off the tee. They'll have advanced swing mechanics and an advanced swing.") go ahead, but leave it to the golf course. Teaching a kid who wants to golf the Bobby Jones swing mechanics is outstanding. Teaching a kid who wants to hit a baseball, even if it is on a tee, the Bobby Jones swing mechanics is IMO incorrect. If a kid is hitting a baseball off of a tee, it is roughly two to three feet off of the ground (a lot higher than a golf ball would be). If he was to use the same swing path (part of his MECHANICS) to hit the baseball that he would use to hit a golf ball, he would hit the base of the tee and knock it over. I know you are not a fan of the tee, but you used it as a reference to Bobby Jones, who, as Deemax stated "used a tee," so I feel it only fair to mention it here. If you still feel that the swing mechanics are the same please let us who disagree know.
As for speaking in code, I am a first baseman in the Washington Nationals system. Hope that clears things up for you
and mark maguire hits a great ball,,ask around the club house and see how many of your buds can knock the cover off a golf ball,,bet alot of your team mates play alot of golf in the off season..
Quincy,
Could you please provide video of a hitter making contact at the moment the foot hit the ground? If this is the ideal method, then surely there must be video of the method somewhere on the web.
And please explain why every MLB clip shows the bat staying in launch position until the foot comes down, then moving towards the ball. I feel that you do make some good points on hitting, but you can not be taken seriously if you are going to stand by this claim. It shows an extremely poor understanding of athletic motion.
Could you please provide video of a hitter making contact at the moment the foot hit the ground? If this is the ideal method, then surely there must be video of the method somewhere on the web.
And please explain why every MLB clip shows the bat staying in launch position until the foot comes down, then moving towards the ball. I feel that you do make some good points on hitting, but you can not be taken seriously if you are going to stand by this claim. It shows an extremely poor understanding of athletic motion.
Take a look at Morgan's drive.
The bat comes forward and the front foot is just a toe touch.
Notice the speed of the swing compared to front foot plant.
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w_id=601772&...l=&type=v_free&_mp=1
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The bat comes forward and the front foot is just a toe touch.
Notice the speed of the swing compared to front foot plant.
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w_id=601772&...l=&type=v_free&_mp=1
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Quincy,
You are aware that you can pause these videos? And forget the MLB website, there are plenty of websites where you can download videos and play them frame by frame. If you were able to do this, you would see that the bat makes it's first motion right when the foot plants. The foot plant is the trigger. 6-year-olds tend to move the bat while striding and make contact as the foot's coming down.
http://media.putfile.com/Bondsrotate
Here is evidence of the movement that a MLB hitter makes AFTER foot plant. Even the clip that you posted would have resembled this.
You are aware that you can pause these videos? And forget the MLB website, there are plenty of websites where you can download videos and play them frame by frame. If you were able to do this, you would see that the bat makes it's first motion right when the foot plants. The foot plant is the trigger. 6-year-olds tend to move the bat while striding and make contact as the foot's coming down.
http://media.putfile.com/Bondsrotate
Here is evidence of the movement that a MLB hitter makes AFTER foot plant. Even the clip that you posted would have resembled this.
You miss the point that he never plants the front foot. At contact he is on his toe.
The bat is in motion as the result of his swing instead of catapulting from front foot plant.
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The bat is in motion as the result of his swing instead of catapulting from front foot plant.
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Quincy\
Why is it your point that everyone is always missing ?
You give golf lessons as well?
Why is it your point that everyone is always missing ?
You give golf lessons as well?
Are you talking about the Bonds clip? He never plants his foot? If you are then this is a complete waste of time.
If you are talking about the mlb clip, you are wrong as well. Pause the clip at contact, the heel is down and planted.
If you are talking about the mlb clip, you are wrong as well. Pause the clip at contact, the heel is down and planted.
Though your lack of understanding the most basic concepts of the game is nearing the point of legendary status, I'm sure even you know and understand that there is the stride swing and the no stride swing.
The stride swing is the basic strong front catapult swing.
The no stride can be with front foot plant or with a weight shift swing.
There are different approaches to the no stride. There is always the wider stance with no stride, but the weight shift is different in a few of the swings.
Showing Bonds' swing or Pujols' swing has nothing to do with the swing in the video.
They all generate great bat speed and force when struck well.
There is no one standard swing that will work as well for everyone.
Look at the swing and look at the results of the swing. (a line drive almost out of the stadium)
The heel is down as the result of his stride, but there is no strong front side or front foot plant.
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The stride swing is the basic strong front catapult swing.
The no stride can be with front foot plant or with a weight shift swing.
There are different approaches to the no stride. There is always the wider stance with no stride, but the weight shift is different in a few of the swings.
Showing Bonds' swing or Pujols' swing has nothing to do with the swing in the video.
They all generate great bat speed and force when struck well.
There is no one standard swing that will work as well for everyone.
Look at the swing and look at the results of the swing. (a line drive almost out of the stadium)
The heel is down as the result of his stride, but there is no strong front side or front foot plant.
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Wogdoggy,
I play golf too in the offseason...but what's your point?
I play golf too in the offseason...but what's your point?
quote:Originally posted by beemax:
Wogdoggy,
I play golf too in the offseason...but what's your point?
my point is its the same swing with less rotation..countless books and players often describe the 2 swings as being very similar..
Balance, forearms and wrists, weight shift, relaxed rapid accurate swing on the desired swing plane to contact, follow through
Nah, they aren't the same.
Bee, if you could convert the principles of a good drive with a driver off the tee to your baseball swing, you would probably hit 50 homers a year.
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Nah, they aren't the same.
Bee, if you could convert the principles of a good drive with a driver off the tee to your baseball swing, you would probably hit 50 homers a year.
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Everybody talks about the swing and the core.
Which is great that's where the power come's from.
But lets talk about the arms for a minute.
My feeling is the arms are over looked in the swinging process.
Lead Arm meaning the power produceing arm
Now my feeling is that the lead arm on a outside pitch swing for a right handed batter would be his Left arm?
And on an inside Pitch it would be his Right Arm.
And for a Left Handed Batter.
Outside pitch, the Lead arm would be the Right arm.
And the inside pitch, it would be the Left arm?
Your thoughts.
EH
Which is great that's where the power come's from.
But lets talk about the arms for a minute.
My feeling is the arms are over looked in the swinging process.
Lead Arm meaning the power produceing arm
Now my feeling is that the lead arm on a outside pitch swing for a right handed batter would be his Left arm?
And on an inside Pitch it would be his Right Arm.
And for a Left Handed Batter.
Outside pitch, the Lead arm would be the Right arm.
And the inside pitch, it would be the Left arm?
Your thoughts.
EH
quote:Originally posted by theEH:
Everybody talks about the swing and the core.
Which is great that's where the power come's from.
But lets talk about the arms for a minute.
My feeling is the arms are over looked in the swinging process.
Lead Arm meaning the power produceing arm
Now my feeling is that the lead arm on a outside pitch swing for a right handed batter would be his Left arm?
And on an inside Pitch it would be his Right Arm.
And for a Left Handed Batter.
Outside pitch, the Lead arm would be the Right arm.
And the inside pitch, it would be the Left arm?
Your thoughts.
EH
your power arm is the one closest to the ball,which would be your right arm for righties,,reminds me of a clip of barry talking with jenny finch and the use of his top hand..
now some will say the lead arm or lower arm is your power hand,,,just doesnt feel that way to me.
if the arms and wrists arent important why do these pros all have forarms like popeye?..i think releasing the forearms and wrists give the elite player 50 more feet of distance.
Yes for a right handed on a inside to middle of the plate would be your right arm.
But on an outside pitch your power arm would become in part your Left arm.
Think about it??
I believe it's switches to your left arm the farther you get from the plate.
Maybe not a lot of power.
But more then your Right arm.
EH
But on an outside pitch your power arm would become in part your Left arm.
Think about it??
I believe it's switches to your left arm the farther you get from the plate.
Maybe not a lot of power.
But more then your Right arm.
EH
quote:Originally posted by theEH:
Yes for a right handed on a inside to middle of the plate would be your right arm.
But on an outside pitch your power arm would become in part your Left arm.
Think about it??
I believe it's switches to your left arm the farther you get from the plate.
Maybe not a lot of power.
But more then your Right arm.
EH
Nope! Not in my opinion. The bottom hand is a guide and lever only, the top hand, forearm and wrist, provide the power.
