I have no problem with people like that. If they choose to ignore facts, so be it.
However, Donny is trying to bring issues of honesty and integrity. Those issues do not exist.
I will refer you to Batspeed.com if you're looking for honesty and integrity issues.
Here's what I think about the stride foot.
I think you should learn with it closed and when you hit good forget about it. Let it do what it wants.
I think you should learn with it closed and when you hit good forget about it. Let it do what it wants.
The issue really isn't the foot in the stride......It's the front leg.......If you can use the front leg properly either way, it doesn't matter open or closed.....If you can't, it matters......Some hitters can't use the front leg properly with an open stride foot....And some can.....Whatever it takes to use the front leg properly is the issue.....
Interesting when you see guys like Brett and Williams. I wonder if they ever "adjusted" the position of their front foot if they were trying to hit the other way - or if they both learned over time to compensate for their own styles in another way.
I say this because - in addition to looking for the right pitch to hit the other way - I always tried to keep the lead foot more closed when going opposite field.
I say this because - in addition to looking for the right pitch to hit the other way - I always tried to keep the lead foot more closed when going opposite field.
Blue Dog is absolutely right. I said learn closed then let it do whatever. The point is, as Blue Dog says, you need the leg to do the right thing. IF the front foot is closed the leg is almost forced to do the right thing.
If it is open, while learning, it probably won't.
Once you learn what you want the leg to do, you can do it without worrying about the foot.
If it is open, while learning, it probably won't.
Once you learn what you want the leg to do, you can do it without worrying about the foot.
Anyone want to take a stab at the question of whether Brett and/or Williams adjusted their front foot to hit opposite field - or compensated in some other fashion?
You guys jump around from body part to body part faster than a latte filled surgeon.
You guys jump around from body part to body part faster than a latte filled surgeon.
Ted always said history is made on the inside half (or something thereabouts).
So, I believe he wanted to pull most everything....therefore, the open foot.
So, I believe he wanted to pull most everything....therefore, the open foot.
I know.
It's wanted someone to say something about his idea...so I did.
It's wanted someone to say something about his idea...so I did.
"Ted Williams strides to a more open front foot position than most great hitters. WHY?"
Bbscout, in your attempt to act like you should know more than others because you're a Scout, you cloud issues......You know I'm not impressed by MLB people, so.......
Ted Williams does what he does with his stride foot because he was a great hitter and could do it.....What this means is, he could stride open and still use his front leg properly........Some can and some can't......You make a big deal over this and it isn't such a big deal for MLB hitters.....
Amateur hitters are a different breed.....I explained why in an earlier post, their swing is not the same.....They balance with their feet/legs, they reach out with their hands/arms.....They don't use their middle properly......They don't know how......If they don't stride closed, chances are pretty doggone good they will not use their front leg properly and spin.....
CaochB25 is absolutely right.....Amateur hitters should be taught to stride with a closed front foot....
Bbscout, in your attempt to act like you should know more than others because you're a Scout, you cloud issues......You know I'm not impressed by MLB people, so.......
Ted Williams does what he does with his stride foot because he was a great hitter and could do it.....What this means is, he could stride open and still use his front leg properly........Some can and some can't......You make a big deal over this and it isn't such a big deal for MLB hitters.....
Amateur hitters are a different breed.....I explained why in an earlier post, their swing is not the same.....They balance with their feet/legs, they reach out with their hands/arms.....They don't use their middle properly......They don't know how......If they don't stride closed, chances are pretty doggone good they will not use their front leg properly and spin.....
CaochB25 is absolutely right.....Amateur hitters should be taught to stride with a closed front foot....
Linear,
Actually, I was looking for very specific opinions
that related directly to my question.
Did Williams and Brett adjust foot position in order to be able to hit to the opposite field later in their careers - or did they make other adjustments? That was the question.
Actually, I was looking for very specific opinions
that related directly to my question.
Did Williams and Brett adjust foot position in order to be able to hit to the opposite field later in their careers - or did they make other adjustments? That was the question.
I know how you feel. They are hard to find here.
Especially from you Linear--best tap dancer I have seen since Sammy Davis JR and his family
Teacherman--answer a question for once instead of tryinmg to degrade everyone but your "shill brother" Bluedog --he too never answers a question-- I ask that you try and make me smart and still no answer
also nobody is "absolutely right" about hitting methods and procedures, least of all Bluedog and you
Cmon answer my question--make me smart PLEASE!!!!!
Teacherman--answer a question for once instead of tryinmg to degrade everyone but your "shill brother" Bluedog --he too never answers a question-- I ask that you try and make me smart and still no answer
also nobody is "absolutely right" about hitting methods and procedures, least of all Bluedog and you
Cmon answer my question--make me smart PLEASE!!!!!
quote:Amateur hitters are a different breed.....I explained why in an earlier post, their swing is not the same.....They balance with their feet/legs, they reach out with their hands/arms.....They don't use their middle properly......They don't know how......If they don't stride closed, chances are pretty doggone good they will not use their front leg properly and spin.....
I just got back from the park with my partners little girls. One is 6 the other 10th grade. The 10th grader had no problem with arm and hand action and striding the front open 45 degrees as the hands went bak. She hit balls off the tee head high and through the box about 70 % of the time . This was her first attempt to change her swing. Her Dad was amazed at her power and more importantly the new direction of the power.
The amount the foot is open in relation to the shoulder position at toe touch determines the stored power in the system. As I said before too much can over stretch the system. Hands over the plate and a foot wide open might let you drive the inside pitch over the fence. Piazza lands closed as he hits to RC...did he anticipate an outside pitch ?? I don't know.
Are we teaching a dual sustem?? I thought the label was a "high level swing". Why the shift to nobody can do it so we dumb it down......to something. I would think that rotating into toe touch would be to an open foot. I would think that it was connecting the upper and lower body. Aaron and Williams should be enough to accept the fact that it is pretty useful
OBTH...the six year old was happy just to be there
"The Bible says it this way, “the precious possession of a man is diligence.” This means the ability to slow down all his faculties in order to concentrate on and persevere through details. Picasso said this, the details, is where genious lies. Perhaps one out of twenty men has diligence in his nature, and from my experience, one out of 100 in baseball."
The quote above is taken from a manuscript I really appreciate........The point, IMO, is, don't let anyone cloud the real issues.......Look through smokescreens and see what is really there.......Don't accept the, "this is the way we do it because it's always been done this way mentality"........
MLB hitters swing differently than amateur hitters....That's why they are so much better.......The old, "they see better and have better hand/eye coordination" argument is nonsense......MLB hitters have swings that aren't in sync with how the body/brain wants to get the bat around to the ball.........Somehow, MLB hitters have overcome the odds and taught themselves how to create the chaos and control it with unnatural body movements........
Coaches need to look through smokescreens and do the diligence required to understand how MLB hitters rise to the top.......
The quote above is taken from a manuscript I really appreciate........The point, IMO, is, don't let anyone cloud the real issues.......Look through smokescreens and see what is really there.......Don't accept the, "this is the way we do it because it's always been done this way mentality"........
MLB hitters swing differently than amateur hitters....That's why they are so much better.......The old, "they see better and have better hand/eye coordination" argument is nonsense......MLB hitters have swings that aren't in sync with how the body/brain wants to get the bat around to the ball.........Somehow, MLB hitters have overcome the odds and taught themselves how to create the chaos and control it with unnatural body movements........
Coaches need to look through smokescreens and do the diligence required to understand how MLB hitters rise to the top.......
quote:MLB hitters have swings that aren't in sync with how the body/brain wants to get the bat around to the ball.........Somehow, MLB hitters have overcome the odds and taught themselves how to create the chaos and control it with unnatural body movements........
Say what??
quote:Originally posted by swingbuster:
...The 10th grader had no problem with arm and hand action and striding the front open 45 degrees as the hands went bak.
How do you know? Compared to what? Did she do it both ways? Does she use her front leg properly? Were the best 10 yr olds in the country there for comparison?
quote:The amount the foot is open in relation to the shoulder position at toe touch determines the stored power in the system.
Unadulterated BS
quote:I ask that you try and make me smart......
TRhit, even Picasso couldn't paint on a muddy canvas......
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
...I ask that you try and make me smart...
No one can handle this burden.
N-yman has made some good observations but I am not sure he is heading in the right direction now.
Lately, the quickness deal, the nobody knows how to load and unload, the close the foot off until later, we are teaching amateurs, MLB guys don't have good swings that match the MLB guys of years past ........this is not the science and engineering that he built the house on.
This is all opinion and you can buy that anywhere. It is a big fastpitch clinic working backwards to rewrite the book.
Lately, the quickness deal, the nobody knows how to load and unload, the close the foot off until later, we are teaching amateurs, MLB guys don't have good swings that match the MLB guys of years past ........this is not the science and engineering that he built the house on.
This is all opinion and you can buy that anywhere. It is a big fastpitch clinic working backwards to rewrite the book.
I would love to see you two go one on one.
Bluedog,
Picasso had nothing to do with Brett and Williams ability to hit to the opposite field later in their careers.
Would you please give your opinion on the question I posed to you?
Thanks in advance.
Picasso had nothing to do with Brett and Williams ability to hit to the opposite field later in their careers.
Would you please give your opinion on the question I posed to you?
Thanks in advance.
quote:Are we teaching a dual sustem??
Hitting for Dummies
Learning the High Level Swing
I listened more when the later was being discussed.
Linear writes
"IF the front foot is closed the leg is almost forced to do the right thing.
If it is open, while learning, it probably won't".
How can you make statements like that and then say anything is "unadulterated BS" . Like I said the science is missing and teaching opinion is dominating the "absolutes". It is right because we say it is right. Nothing credible. You need to use IMO before those statements.
"IF the front foot is closed the leg is almost forced to do the right thing.
If it is open, while learning, it probably won't".
How can you make statements like that and then say anything is "unadulterated BS" . Like I said the science is missing and teaching opinion is dominating the "absolutes". It is right because we say it is right. Nothing credible. You need to use IMO before those statements.
Linear
Then you are not as good as you say-- I also think you are brainwashed
I offer you challenges and you retreat
We ask for examples and you cannot give them
You are a mere nothing -- a shill for a website of claymation dolls---DUH--can we get real and go one on one with a student-- two years now he has backed down from a challenge to show what he knows-- no more offers-- I have people who want to teach and instruct and are real--not cyberspace characters
Its
he never answers questions because he cannot--
Then you are not as good as you say-- I also think you are brainwashed
I offer you challenges and you retreat
We ask for examples and you cannot give them
You are a mere nothing -- a shill for a website of claymation dolls---DUH--can we get real and go one on one with a student-- two years now he has backed down from a challenge to show what he knows-- no more offers-- I have people who want to teach and instruct and are real--not cyberspace characters
Its
he never answers questions because he cannot--
quote:Originally posted by swingbuster:
Linear writes
"IF the front foot is closed the leg is almost forced to do the right thing.
If it is open, while learning, it probably won't".
How can you make statements like that and then say anything is "unadulterated BS" .
How can you challenge it with your knowledge base?
Please Donny, tell us the role of the front leg.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
Linear
Then you are not as good as you say-- I also think you are brainwashed
I offer you challenges and you retreat
We ask for examples and you cannot give them
You are a mere nothing -- a shill for a website of claymation dolls---DUH--can we get real and go one on one with a student-- two years now he has backed down from a challenge to show what he knows-- no more offers-- I have people who want to teach and instruct and are real--not cyberspace characters
Its
he never answers questions because he cannot--
I understand you can't read. Just because you can't read and comprehend doesn't mean answers aren't given.
Here's your opportunity It's.
You've been good lately. Put him in his place.
You've been good lately. Put him in his place.
quote:Please Donny, tell us the role of the front leg.
Who wants to take a test up when nobody has ever gotten an answer right because you guys make them up as you go along.
I would answer them all if I knew who was grading it
Linear
It really gets boring with your condescending attitude---
You teach nothing--you regurgitate--does HE know that !!!
Like I said have a happy new year
It really gets boring with your condescending attitude---
You teach nothing--you regurgitate--does HE know that !!!
Like I said have a happy new year
Swingbuster, I consider you a good guy.....Not the first time I've said that...... 
There was a time when me and you agreed on most of hitting philosophy and technique.....I can see we have taken different paths at some point.......I must admit that I have been greatly influenced by two people who I very much respect (we both know who they are)..........Paul and Steve......They have taught me to see the details......I know you are at odds with them and I know why......I'm sorry to see this happen, I really am.....I'm even sorrier to see you lose out by not learning from them......But, again, I know it's a situation which is, I suppose, inevitable that this would happen......Personally, I'm no longer a save the world type of person......To each his own......I won't argue hitting with you on a personal level because I like you and I know you mean well........I just hope you aren't tuning Paul and Steve out because of personal reasons.......
There was a time when me and you agreed on most of hitting philosophy and technique.....I can see we have taken different paths at some point.......I must admit that I have been greatly influenced by two people who I very much respect (we both know who they are)..........Paul and Steve......They have taught me to see the details......I know you are at odds with them and I know why......I'm sorry to see this happen, I really am.....I'm even sorrier to see you lose out by not learning from them......But, again, I know it's a situation which is, I suppose, inevitable that this would happen......Personally, I'm no longer a save the world type of person......To each his own......I won't argue hitting with you on a personal level because I like you and I know you mean well........I just hope you aren't tuning Paul and Steve out because of personal reasons.......
BlueDog
Paul who ? Your Guru/ The Claymation Man?
You and linear need to get your own life-- speak for yourself--do not be a mouthpiece that cannot answer questions from posters who know what they talk about and posters like me who you say know nothing.
Happy New Year
Paul who ? Your Guru/ The Claymation Man?
You and linear need to get your own life-- speak for yourself--do not be a mouthpiece that cannot answer questions from posters who know what they talk about and posters like me who you say know nothing.
Happy New Year
Game, what do you not understand about what I said?..........Any hitter can stride any way they so choose (front foot closed or open) as long as they use their front leg properly, it doesn't matter......Problem is, most amateur hitters don't know how to use their front leg properly, need some help with this, and striding closed helps them to do so......
CoachB25 explained this very eloquently and I agree with him........
Now, Ted Williams could use his front leg properly striding with an open or closed front foot.......Pitch location in, out, or over his head, probably doesn't matter......
CoachB25 explained this very eloquently and I agree with him........
Now, Ted Williams could use his front leg properly striding with an open or closed front foot.......Pitch location in, out, or over his head, probably doesn't matter......
Actually - I was enjoying the discussion about open and closed foot positions.
I would have loved to hear some opinions about Brett/Williams - and what adjustments they made (or didnt make).
It does appear as if now we have strayed far afield. From Picasso - to a validation that Ted Williams was a great hitter - LOL - to well - just about everything in between.
Hopefully - this thread will continue with some good questions - some real answers/opinions/observations - and something of value for players - parents and coaches.
At this point - it has become valueless IMO.
I would have loved to hear some opinions about Brett/Williams - and what adjustments they made (or didnt make).
It does appear as if now we have strayed far afield. From Picasso - to a validation that Ted Williams was a great hitter - LOL - to well - just about everything in between.
Hopefully - this thread will continue with some good questions - some real answers/opinions/observations - and something of value for players - parents and coaches.
At this point - it has become valueless IMO.
BlueDog,
If those guys have something to offer and I am sure they do. Burn it on a CD and sell it and advertise it. Be respondsible for the content and take the good with the bad.
This Horse puckey BS that is third hand ..hand me down ..cryptic, "if you only knew sh** gets old.
State the case , publish the info, and let the world in on an opportunity to reap the rewards and be judged like everybodey else.
Epstein has sold many tapes. People want to hear other points of view Where can I buy one? I can get them made for them in China for fifty cents. Just send me the copy and I will get you 40,000 of them.
This business about.. I know what you don't know and what I know is law and you guys don't get it is crazy and nobody is buying it.
The man that made the first bat speed meter now says batspeed doesn't matter.
If those guys have something to offer and I am sure they do. Burn it on a CD and sell it and advertise it. Be respondsible for the content and take the good with the bad.
This Horse puckey BS that is third hand ..hand me down ..cryptic, "if you only knew sh** gets old.
State the case , publish the info, and let the world in on an opportunity to reap the rewards and be judged like everybodey else.
Epstein has sold many tapes. People want to hear other points of view Where can I buy one? I can get them made for them in China for fifty cents. Just send me the copy and I will get you 40,000 of them.
This business about.. I know what you don't know and what I know is law and you guys don't get it is crazy and nobody is buying it.
The man that made the first bat speed meter now says batspeed doesn't matter.
Thank you Doug.
quote:Originally posted by swingbuster:
...The man that made the first bat speed meter now says batspeed doesn't matter.
You are totally uninformed. If your batspeed.com comments about quickness v speed are your true feeling you couldn't be more wrong.
I can stand in the batters box against 90+ and take a pepper like swing and make solid contact often. I can not make solid contact when trying to generate batspeed. Why?
Reason is my mechanics don't let me be quick enough to catch up. What it takes me to generate batspeed is diametrically opposed to what it takes to get the barrel to the ball.
And this is the story of 99% of all youth hitters. When you figure this out you'll be a good champion for hitting. Until then, you're off track. You need GPS to be found.
Hitting with the front foot closed allows the hip to pop when the hands come through, at the same time transferring weight from the back of the body to the front. It's the cornerstone of generating power against a stiff front leg. What is the debate about? This is a hitting absolute. Your front foot is down at release, so there is no open or closed choice. Brett was ALWAYS closed. Williams pulled everything, so he was hitting the ball out front most of the time, closed to the ball but not home plate. A notable exception was Roberto Clemente, who often had his front foot open but always had his hands back and his hips closed.
Ted Williams stated in his book that he closed his stance at the plate to hit opposite field......He felt this promoted an inside out swing, more like a push.....Jeter does the same thing......
Not to be confused with a closed front foot....
Not to be confused with a closed front foot....
Wow, go away for a while and have practice (basketball) and look what happens. I'm glad to see that most of this isn't getting too personal. I'd like to throw one more iron into the fire. We had so much trouble with poor stides, ie. too long, stepping in the bucket, diving into balls and getting jammed over the many years we did camps that we've gone to "Heal - Toe." One major benefit we discovered almost by accident is that we could keep the toe closed better since we now had the ultimate control over that front foot. Also, this enabled us to have the ability to "let the ball get to us" better since we took out a movement that didn't always produce the effect we sought. I know not many greats in the past did this. BTW, our power numbers really went up doing this although I don't simply attribute them to this. THOUGHTS?
I don't know, but if the greatest hitter that ever lived didn't do it, I have a hard time calling it an absolute.
