No, my ban was not self-imposed.
And it was not the first time.....nor second....maybe third or fourth.
But, whatever he does with my posting privileges has nothing to do with his knowledge, nor my respect for it.
quote:Originally posted by swingbuster:
Linear..tick tick tick
Did he post MLB game swings against Engishbeys 21 drills to teach hitting and say they were doing people harm?
Why?
And why are posting from a site that will not even let you spell his name? wow!
I must be dense. I don't get this entire post. Splain it for me.
quote:nor my respect for it
nor my respect for it
What about for HIM?
2. Don't need splainin..he posted a drill station swing against MLB game swing to slam someone elses work and censored any response
. Drills over emphasis certain things. 1000s of people like it . He had no reason to do what he did. Saving grace...very very few people know who he is ,,,,,,,,,or you or me.
They know Jessica Simpson though!
quote:Originally posted by swingbuster:
Yep and I saw his drills where you rotate with your back foot staying down flat on the ground.
One of his greatest assets is he can teach you what muscles you should be using by eliminating ohters. This drill is one of those. Until you feel it, you may not get it. As long as you continue to use the wrong muscle set you'll continually rotate improperly.
quote:you go back on bended knee?
I'll go back if allowed. My sons said they got in the other day. Now, the server is down. He has little tolerance for people who are both arrogant and ignorant as he says. I often times quality for one or the other. When I combine the two, like you do, he gets rid of me.
quote:"there is no such thing as carry the load "?
I've heard him say carry the momentum. I may have said carry the load which is better said carrying the momentum while loading.
quote:"And that's difficult to do when you have to wait a long second or two for the ball after footplant." 0.2 sec is shorter than 2.0
If that's what it's supposed to be then you need to work on it. However, that is 1/2 the time a hitter has to see the ball, decide whether to swing and execute his swing. That is way longer than a hitter has from footplant.
Most hitters do not understand the load/unload process. The first hitters to understand this will be the first to improve. Your device works directly against proper load/unload.
It concerns ‘bat speed’ vs ‘bat quickness’. I noted while visiting some of the other discussion boards that a good number of coaches believe that a batter my generate great bat speed but be slower getting the bat to the ball than a batter with less bat speed.
I have trouble understanding how two batters can launch the bat from the same position and the batter who generates less bat speed could get the bat to the same contact point quicker than the batter generating greater bat speed. Would someone help enlighten me on this subject?
Note: I define “launch position” as the position of the bat when shoulder rotation (and the swing) is initiated
Jack Mankin
I have trouble understanding how two batters can launch the bat from the same position and the batter who generates less bat speed could get the bat to the same contact point quicker than the batter generating greater bat speed. Would someone help enlighten me on this subject?
Note: I define “launch position” as the position of the bat when shoulder rotation (and the swing) is initiated
Jack Mankin
quote:One of his greatest assets is he can teach you what muscles you should be using by eliminating ohters. This drill is one of those.
Oh...OK keep your back foot down and turn and turn. Now I get it.... It looks a lot like a MLB swing too. Show me the clips!! and splain.
Your device works directly against proper load/unload.
If you keep your lead elbow behind the belly button and keep it there until your stride foot lands you are in position to rotate from a connected position. I have watched the ball flight of 100s of kids after 20 swings improve dramatically.
Simple station for kids. First kid that used the first prototype won HR Derby against 300 plus in Montgomery...fact. Only 12 yo I knew in that city so it could not have been rigged.
quote:Originally posted by swingbuster:
It concerns ‘bat speed’ vs ‘bat quickness’. I noted while visiting some of the other discussion boards that a good number of coaches believe that a batter my generate great bat speed but be slower getting the bat to the ball than a batter with less bat speed.
I have trouble understanding how two batters can launch the bat from the same position and the batter who generates less bat speed could get the bat to the same contact point quicker than the batter generating greater bat speed. Would someone help enlighten me on this subject?
Note: I define “launch position” as the position of the bat when shoulder rotation (and the swing) is initiated
Jack Mankin
What's your point, Mr. Mankin? Are you having a difficult time fitting this fact into your belief system?
quote:
One of his greatest assets is he can teach you what muscles you should be using by eliminating ohters. This drill is one of those.
Oh...OK keep your back foot down and turn and turn. Now I get it.... It looks a lot like a MLB swing too. Show me the clips!! and splain.
Your device works directly against proper load/unload.
If you keep your lead elbow behind the belly button and keep it there until your stride foot lands you are in position to rotate from a connected position. I have watched the ball flight of 100s of kids after 20 swings improve dramatically. Actaully, it is improved on the first swing..it takes 20 to stop hitting with the hands and follow the rotation
Simple station for kids. First kid that used the first prototype won HR Derby against 300 plus in Montgomery...fact. Only 12 yo I knew in that city so it could not have been rigged.
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One of his greatest assets is he can teach you what muscles you should be using by eliminating ohters. This drill is one of those.
Oh...OK keep your back foot down and turn and turn. Now I get it.... It looks a lot like a MLB swing too. Show me the clips!! and splain.
Your device works directly against proper load/unload.
If you keep your lead elbow behind the belly button and keep it there until your stride foot lands you are in position to rotate from a connected position. I have watched the ball flight of 100s of kids after 20 swings improve dramatically. Actaully, it is improved on the first swing..it takes 20 to stop hitting with the hands and follow the rotation
Simple station for kids. First kid that used the first prototype won HR Derby against 300 plus in Montgomery...fact. Only 12 yo I knew in that city so it could not have been rigged.
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quote:Originally posted by swingbuster:quote:One of his greatest assets is he can teach you what muscles you should be using by eliminating ohters. This drill is one of those.
Oh...OK keep your back foot down and turn and turn. Now I get it.... It looks a lot like a MLB swing too. Show me the clips!! and splain.
Your device works directly against proper load/unload.
If you keep your lead elbow behind the belly button and keep it there until your stride foot lands you are in position to rotate from a connected position. I have watched the ball flight of 100s of kids after 20 swings improve dramatically.
Simple station for kids. First kid that used the first prototype won HR Derby against 300 plus in Montgomery...fact. Only 12 yo I knew in that city so it could not have been rigged.
Quite a difference between limiting what your back foot does to learn something else....versus.....teaching an improper load/unload.
One may be incomplete. The other is improper.
By the way, I think it is Jason Bay.....could be wrong, but there is a mlb player whose rear foot barely raises or goes about 1/2 the way of most hitters rear foot.
Finally, the feet are reactive to the hips. Kids can go "onto their toe" and not use their hips properly. Just as they can fan their knee to rotate versus force their knee open by rotating. Controlling one will give you a good indication of the other.
What does the improper load/unload that your device teaches you help with?
What I think is more and more obvious is it's not just the kids that don't understand the load/unload.
quote:What does the improper load/unload that your device teaches you help with?
Few kids get to toe touch with the hands
coc-ked and their shoulder still loaded.
We teaching them to preload their shoulders and stride to balance. The lead elbow behind the belly button( and remaining bent to 90 degrees) is something they can see vs their bat position.
These kids have never gotten to a post stride position maintaining the upper body box with 1. bent elbow, 2.cocked bat, 3.elbow still behind belly button( loaded shoulders or front shoulder in at launch if your prefer). Their prior tenency was to mess the box up with barring, ect as they stride or never assume a reasonably good upper body position.
They learn to keep the box intact and relaxed as they shift. They land more connected and the ball appears and the stride has been taken( toe open to 45 degrees) so there is no stride momentum and they must turn for the hips to move the hands.
NOW...they are turning with the upper body in a better launch position than most have experienced and they do have some X angle at stride landing....another position they haven't felt.
Great thread.
Happy new Year.
As usual, bbscout nails the issue:
BB:"I count the same amount of frames as you do. The rotation is going and the hands are holding back. If the body is working as one, why are the hands holding back for 5 frames of rotation? If they are just along for the ride, why are they not moving? What gets them moving if the center of the body is rotating and they (the hands) are not going anywhere, yet are supposed to be along for the ride?"
it is probably impossible to get complete or near complete agreement on the details of what happens here, but in my opinion, Donny/buster describes it the best with arm action that results in the bottom hand working under/then into the plane.
I do not think this is just a "head start". This is optimizing both coil and connection and quickness, but even so is not just and "add on" as you learn the rest of the swing.
bbscout, you may have to be careful about that one arm tee drill, becvasue it IS possible to hit a long way by using a lot of lead arm extension to get a long swing radius like in golf, but this is nothing like the quicker swing needed for hitting.
teacherman says that n y m a n has disproved "THT" but actually,the reality is just the opposite. His rotational swing models actually demonstrated the most difficult thing to sort out which is that a back arm torquing force is applied during the swing, not just earlier in the pre-swing where it is fairly obvious. I will quote the N y m a n models that show this when i get back to my office computer.
teacherman also says that the arm action is a reaction to the scap and earlier/more proximal motions. This is not so. In the Pujols clip, when the bat uncoks it is via arm action. the back scap needs to stay loaded at this time. back scap action is not making the bat do this.Neither is the torso.
the guerrero clip shows the action nicely on a somewhat up (in and waist high,still maintaining box about til contact for this location) at yuothbaseballcoaching.com
teacherman says that you maintain the box. this is more true for up and in.less true as the location goes out and down.
one slight disagreement I have with donny is that there ARE golfing aides that work on breaking the spinning habit on the lower body - there is a spring loaded bar that fits between the knees that forces you to spread the knees,lead leg leading in the right sequence to support the same sort of hip turn as in the high level hitting swing swing.
more detail to follow.
Happy new Year.
As usual, bbscout nails the issue:
BB:"I count the same amount of frames as you do. The rotation is going and the hands are holding back. If the body is working as one, why are the hands holding back for 5 frames of rotation? If they are just along for the ride, why are they not moving? What gets them moving if the center of the body is rotating and they (the hands) are not going anywhere, yet are supposed to be along for the ride?"
it is probably impossible to get complete or near complete agreement on the details of what happens here, but in my opinion, Donny/buster describes it the best with arm action that results in the bottom hand working under/then into the plane.
I do not think this is just a "head start". This is optimizing both coil and connection and quickness, but even so is not just and "add on" as you learn the rest of the swing.
bbscout, you may have to be careful about that one arm tee drill, becvasue it IS possible to hit a long way by using a lot of lead arm extension to get a long swing radius like in golf, but this is nothing like the quicker swing needed for hitting.
teacherman says that n y m a n has disproved "THT" but actually,the reality is just the opposite. His rotational swing models actually demonstrated the most difficult thing to sort out which is that a back arm torquing force is applied during the swing, not just earlier in the pre-swing where it is fairly obvious. I will quote the N y m a n models that show this when i get back to my office computer.
teacherman also says that the arm action is a reaction to the scap and earlier/more proximal motions. This is not so. In the Pujols clip, when the bat uncoks it is via arm action. the back scap needs to stay loaded at this time. back scap action is not making the bat do this.Neither is the torso.
the guerrero clip shows the action nicely on a somewhat up (in and waist high,still maintaining box about til contact for this location) at yuothbaseballcoaching.com
teacherman says that you maintain the box. this is more true for up and in.less true as the location goes out and down.
one slight disagreement I have with donny is that there ARE golfing aides that work on breaking the spinning habit on the lower body - there is a spring loaded bar that fits between the knees that forces you to spread the knees,lead leg leading in the right sequence to support the same sort of hip turn as in the high level hitting swing swing.
more detail to follow.
quote:Originally posted by tom.guerry:
...teacherman also says that the arm action is a reaction to the scap and earlier/more proximal motions. This is not so. In the Pujols clip, when the bat uncoks it is via arm action. the back scap needs to stay loaded at this time. back scap action is not making the bat do this.Neither is the torso.
For the record, I did not say this. Typical bull **** to cloud the issue.
quote:Originally posted by tom.guerry:
...BB:"I count the same amount of frames as you do. The rotation is going and the hands are holding back. If the body is working as one, why are the hands holding back for 5 frames of rotation? If they are just along for the ride, why are they not moving? What gets them moving if the center of the body is rotating and they (the hands) are not going anywhere, yet are supposed to be along for the ride?"...
Geesh Tom do you have any intellectual integrity?
Why leave out my explanation of the torso and hands as one with minimal separation between the upper and lower halves?
Cause it may affect how you can frame the issue?
I can make my hands move without arm action and not use the lower body.....why can't you?
Because it doesn't fit the theory?
BTW, Tom, we're all still waiting for clips of the players you work with.......
intellectual integrity?
leave out my explanation
frame the issue?
Because it doesn't fit the theory?
still waiting for clips of the players you work with
incomplete movement vs improper movement
shows only the muscles necessary for an action
don't understand load/unload cycle
quickness is slower but gets there faster
leave out my explanation
frame the issue?
Because it doesn't fit the theory?
still waiting for clips of the players you work with
incomplete movement vs improper movement
shows only the muscles necessary for an action
don't understand load/unload cycle
quickness is slower but gets there faster
I just read the stuff at http://www.batspeed.com cause the info is based on scientific research plus it's helped my hitting so far. BTW I nominate this thread to be in the Golden Forums.
quote:BTW, Tom, we're all still waiting for clips of the players you work with.......
Linear,
Where are the clips of the players you work with ?
Scooter
quote:MR3000, If you read too much on this thread, you will just put yourself in a slump. Smile
Good thing it's the offseason. I already made up my mind on how to hit anyway. So far my swing is becoming a lot quicker and smoother. I just read this for entertainment now.
The hands co-ck, that tips the bat forward, that levers the rear elbow so that it can internally rotate, as the lead elbow comes down to the pect muscle.
Now...the bat tip works from splitting the helmet downward behind the helmet to teh 45 degree launch slot we all use exerting a neg force counter to the forward force of the hips rotating into toe touch.
The lead elbow works up into the pitch plane and the rear elbow slots down. This torques the bat in the direction counter to the hip rotation( ( in an arc toward the catcher.
*** the neg force of the movement of the bat barrel behind the batter and inside the target line from the proper bat path gives the hips something to turn against. It primes the torso and gets the hips 4-5 frames in front of the upper body turn.
This hand, arm, elbow action is subtle but serves to increase torque and brings the knob out to the oppo box in the same circular path of the hips. The shoulders must turn to interface with the turning hips vs the knob to the ball straight hand path people teach that never totally links with the hips turn. It also makes it impossible to put the same swing on an outside pitch as an inside pitch.
This movement pattern maxes connection and angular displacement to the bat barrel( whip;pop) through the zone.
So...the hands are the initiator of a sequence that takes the bat barrel BACK. The elbow actions is defined as a reversing of relative positions... at initiation the lead elbow is by the side and the rear elbow is high and that becomes lead elbow up( in the pitch plane) and real elbow down( slots) sends the bat in the correct direction. The hands must be quiet and follow this pattern to set up a rotation connected to the core.
The bottom hand works underneath the top hand as the lead elbow come down to the body in the preswing.
Attempts to take the knob to the ball at initiation of the preswing will kill the swing. In that sense hands can be terrible. True hand action is late in the swing "hooking the hand path out in the reactionary part of the swing. It is hard to coach.
One word PUJOLS ..watch him , print this and see what he does.
The top hand cocking ( partially pronated) palm toward ground at initiation before the rear elbow internally rotates is the last time I mention hands when instructing.
Now...the bat tip works from splitting the helmet downward behind the helmet to teh 45 degree launch slot we all use exerting a neg force counter to the forward force of the hips rotating into toe touch.
The lead elbow works up into the pitch plane and the rear elbow slots down. This torques the bat in the direction counter to the hip rotation( ( in an arc toward the catcher.
*** the neg force of the movement of the bat barrel behind the batter and inside the target line from the proper bat path gives the hips something to turn against. It primes the torso and gets the hips 4-5 frames in front of the upper body turn.
This hand, arm, elbow action is subtle but serves to increase torque and brings the knob out to the oppo box in the same circular path of the hips. The shoulders must turn to interface with the turning hips vs the knob to the ball straight hand path people teach that never totally links with the hips turn. It also makes it impossible to put the same swing on an outside pitch as an inside pitch.
This movement pattern maxes connection and angular displacement to the bat barrel( whip;pop) through the zone.
So...the hands are the initiator of a sequence that takes the bat barrel BACK. The elbow actions is defined as a reversing of relative positions... at initiation the lead elbow is by the side and the rear elbow is high and that becomes lead elbow up( in the pitch plane) and real elbow down( slots) sends the bat in the correct direction. The hands must be quiet and follow this pattern to set up a rotation connected to the core.
The bottom hand works underneath the top hand as the lead elbow come down to the body in the preswing.
Attempts to take the knob to the ball at initiation of the preswing will kill the swing. In that sense hands can be terrible. True hand action is late in the swing "hooking the hand path out in the reactionary part of the swing. It is hard to coach.
One word PUJOLS ..watch him , print this and see what he does.
The top hand cocking ( partially pronated) palm toward ground at initiation before the rear elbow internally rotates is the last time I mention hands when instructing.
Swingbuster, ANOTHER NOMINATION FOR "POST OF THE YEAR!" 
bbscout, that video clip reminds me of what some describe as "the latest rage" in collegiate batting drills. In a cage when you are between classes without a practice partner, many schools are relying more and more on the tee drill where a ball is placed on a tee at one end of a 70 foot cage and another ball is placed on a tee at the other end of the cage. Players stand on a 2/4 (we use a 2x6) and trying to drive the ball the length of the cage to knock that other ball off of the tee. (BTW, to qualify "latest rage" - due to the fact that the last 2-3 college coaches I've heard speak mention/demonstrate this drill as a part of their presentation.)
bbscout, that video clip reminds me of what some describe as "the latest rage" in collegiate batting drills. In a cage when you are between classes without a practice partner, many schools are relying more and more on the tee drill where a ball is placed on a tee at one end of a 70 foot cage and another ball is placed on a tee at the other end of the cage. Players stand on a 2/4 (we use a 2x6) and trying to drive the ball the length of the cage to knock that other ball off of the tee. (BTW, to qualify "latest rage" - due to the fact that the last 2-3 college coaches I've heard speak mention/demonstrate this drill as a part of their presentation.)
bbscout, I understand. The 2x4 and 2/6 are "balance/finish" drills. However, we like them. Yes, we do a lot of tee work. One thing you have to emphasize to high school players is that the tee is VERY VALUABLE. Incoming freshman (especially) think that tee work is for little kids. I just wanted to share that drill and your video gave me an opportunity. If I post very much longer on this topic, posters will know all of the worthless drills we do. LOL!
I have enjoyed reading this thread for a while. Most everyone makes great points, some more eloquently than others. One thing that really keeps entering my mind is the way we analyze the heck out of every movement. Some out there could tell exactly how many times Nomar touches his batting gloves (when he was hitting well, I am surprised some did not try to teach this as well.) I love to analyze video as much as anyone else but I think that we often forget that we can achieve complicated results through simplifying what we teach. While correct mechanics are important, it is how we get kids to use and realize those mechanics that matter. Beautiful cage swings are just that. Keep it simple and try to get the optimal results through small basic changes (IF THEY ARE NEEDED).
Amen hsballcoach. I think swingbuster hit a home run with his description of the mechanics. However it is a complicated approach, maybe one us adults can learn and teach from. I have always taught that the hips rotate with the hands back at the shoulder area. I can see as a teacher what is being done correctly or incorrectly. I can then make those adjustments. The hands are the last part of the trigger for more than one reason. Timing is the biggest. If a hitter is quick and rotates for a fastball and his hands are moving to the ball, and suddenly he realizes it a change!!!. Then what? If his hands are back or delayed for 5 frames or whatever, he stills has a chance to make contact. If hs hands are out front too so, he'll miss or lunge. We must teach in real world situations as thats what our kids face. I still enjoy the technical jargon and the fabulous break down of every part of the mechanics of the swing. What a great site.
Coachric
Coachric
quote:Originally posted by tom.guerry:
teacherman says that n y m a n has disproved "THT" but actually,the reality is just the opposite. His rotational swing models actually demonstrated the most difficult thing to sort out which is that a back arm torquing force is applied during the swing, not just earlier in the pre-swing where it is fairly obvious......
and
teacherman also says that the arm action is a reaction to the scap and earlier/more proximal motions. This is not so. In the Pujols clip, when the bat uncoks it is via arm action. the back scap needs to stay loaded at this time. back scap action is not making the bat do this.Neither is the torso.
Bravo!
IMO - The biggest flaw in the theory.
I alluded to our "Qualities of an Outstanding Hitter" handout earlier in this thread. To keep this discussion going and to try to keep it positive, I'll post the first 7 from that list. Then, we can discuss some of these aspects of the swing and move on.
1. It has to have a center or axis that can generate centrifugal force.
2. It has to have a principle of hands first – hands last! HOW? The upper body including shoulders and hands act as a unit in a slight negative rotation to initiate the load. Then, the body releases the load while the hands stay back. They stay back or let the ball get to the hitter in an attempt to try to avoid being fooled by the pitch.
3. It has to have the principle of a wrist **** right at but just prior to launch. (Think of golf, shooting a basketball, etc. Anything athletic has a cocking effect so why should the swing be different?)
4. In reality, for a right-handed batter, the fingernails of the right hand are up when contact is made. (Opposite for lefties!)
5. The finish has to be high. (I believe in releasing the top hand – others don’t!)
6. Front toe closed is important! (It is also impossible)
7. There is a relationship between front toe touch-down and the swing. Rather, this involves the hands location and timing. (IT CAN’T BE A STAGNANT RELATIONSHIP!) (This is where we discuss the sprinter coming out of the block!)
1. It has to have a center or axis that can generate centrifugal force.
2. It has to have a principle of hands first – hands last! HOW? The upper body including shoulders and hands act as a unit in a slight negative rotation to initiate the load. Then, the body releases the load while the hands stay back. They stay back or let the ball get to the hitter in an attempt to try to avoid being fooled by the pitch.
3. It has to have the principle of a wrist **** right at but just prior to launch. (Think of golf, shooting a basketball, etc. Anything athletic has a cocking effect so why should the swing be different?)
4. In reality, for a right-handed batter, the fingernails of the right hand are up when contact is made. (Opposite for lefties!)
5. The finish has to be high. (I believe in releasing the top hand – others don’t!)
6. Front toe closed is important! (It is also impossible)
7. There is a relationship between front toe touch-down and the swing. Rather, this involves the hands location and timing. (IT CAN’T BE A STAGNANT RELATIONSHIP!) (This is where we discuss the sprinter coming out of the block!)
Also well put Coach as this is pretty much what we've been teaching for years. Yes you must keep the front foot closed and this can and is accomplished with good training. Good info.
Coachric
Coachric
Why keep the front foot closed?
Jack Mankin
I know you read this site....You've copied the batspeed/bat quickness information from here to start the thread at your site.
Why have you censored my post? There was nothing flagrant in the post.....other than to accuse you of being so involved in your "religion" that you can't see the truth.
If you are a real man with real concerns about hitting and if you have a genuine interest in helping advance hitting instruction I demand that you post my post.
You specifically asked me a question.....I responded....and you won't post it. I thought your "delay" was for foul language or flagrant comments? What purpose does it serve to censor ideas? Does it help you keep your flock? Does it help you save face? Post it and let the public decide.
Otherwise you are a dishonest, make believe hitting has been who really isn't interested in the truth.
Another obstructionist who is more interested in protecting his belief than finding the truth.
I know you read this site....You've copied the batspeed/bat quickness information from here to start the thread at your site.
Why have you censored my post? There was nothing flagrant in the post.....other than to accuse you of being so involved in your "religion" that you can't see the truth.
If you are a real man with real concerns about hitting and if you have a genuine interest in helping advance hitting instruction I demand that you post my post.
You specifically asked me a question.....I responded....and you won't post it. I thought your "delay" was for foul language or flagrant comments? What purpose does it serve to censor ideas? Does it help you keep your flock? Does it help you save face? Post it and let the public decide.
Otherwise you are a dishonest, make believe hitting has been who really isn't interested in the truth.
Another obstructionist who is more interested in protecting his belief than finding the truth.
LInear
Since you say I know nothing--tell me why, please make me smart(my New Years Resolution is to have linear, HE who knows it all and is never wrong, revise my thinking and make me smart), why we shouldnt keep the front foot closed!!!!!
Happy New Year
Since you say I know nothing--tell me why, please make me smart(my New Years Resolution is to have linear, HE who knows it all and is never wrong, revise my thinking and make me smart), why we shouldnt keep the front foot closed!!!!!
Happy New Year
Two answers:
Toe open too soon promotes "flying open" or whatever term you want to use instead of staying "on the ball." Perhaps not a big issue with many but with a younger player that pulls off of the ball anyway...
Second answer - an open toe often destroy balance. I state that, in my opinion, it is impossible to keep the front toe closed. However, it opens as the body opens it with torque. JMHO!
Toe open too soon promotes "flying open" or whatever term you want to use instead of staying "on the ball." Perhaps not a big issue with many but with a younger player that pulls off of the ball anyway...
Second answer - an open toe often destroy balance. I state that, in my opinion, it is impossible to keep the front toe closed. However, it opens as the body opens it with torque. JMHO!
quote:Why keep the front foot closed?
How closed? The amount of X factor is determines by hands back / foot open. Landing heel higher than toe keep the hands back but blocks the hip shoulder separation. Opening the toe past 45 will overstretch the system and lose power if the hands stay back. See animation of Hank Aaron
see front foot to 45 degrees
http://www.beabetterhitter.com/text/batspeed/coiling/coiling.htm
Coach
Let us see if Linear answers--as he says I know nothing--now I want to learn--you know I hope the kids on our team dont read this they will lose all respect for me--but then again they and I know where we are going--does LInear?
Let us see if Linear answers--as he says I know nothing--now I want to learn--you know I hope the kids on our team dont read this they will lose all respect for me--but then again they and I know where we are going--does LInear?
I might be the greatest fisherman of all time.
Hang some "linear" on your hook and you'll catch quite a few yourself.
Does it surprise anyone that TR is the biggest fish?
I agree with the closed front foot. I just wanted to hear your reasons.
I disagree that it is impossible. Look at scout's clip of Brett.
Brett
Hang some "linear" on your hook and you'll catch quite a few yourself.
Does it surprise anyone that TR is the biggest fish?
I agree with the closed front foot. I just wanted to hear your reasons.
I disagree that it is impossible. Look at scout's clip of Brett.
Brett
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
...I hope the kids on our team dont read this they will lose all respect for me...
I'll let you in on a secret......they have little respect for your hitting knowledge now.
LINEAR
I will let you in on a secret
how do you know ? you do not know squat ! Have you talked to my kids?
You have not given an response of quality yet to anyone but then NOBODY KNOWS WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW!!!!
I ask to be taught and made smart and you come on like you do---
Teacherman--I hope you make a good pizza and I have heard nothing to that effect either
Bottom line-- Linear never answers the direct question--ever=-- and he cannot dance either
I will let you in on a secret
how do you know ? you do not know squat ! Have you talked to my kids?
You have not given an response of quality yet to anyone but then NOBODY KNOWS WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW!!!!
I ask to be taught and made smart and you come on like you do---
Teacherman--I hope you make a good pizza and I have heard nothing to that effect either
Bottom line-- Linear never answers the direct question--ever=-- and he cannot dance either
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
...how do you know ? you do not know squat ! Have you talked to my kids?...
Based purely on my survey. Of all the people I've talked to on this site, other sites....anyone who knows you.....none of them have any respect for your hitting knowledge.
bbscout,
May I ask why you never post clips of Art Shamsky?
I am surprised he didnt make your "top hitter" list.
May I ask why you never post clips of Art Shamsky?
I am surprised he didnt make your "top hitter" list.
quote:Another obstructionist who is more interested in protecting his belief than finding the truth.
Linear ..
who is the other one??
I think so too....
DB
Donny
You can disagree with N Y M A N all you want. But he goes to great lengths to provide accurate information based in science.
You have a bone to pick with him because he dissed your device. Tom has a bone to pick because he was de-moderatored. So was I, in fact, I've been dissed by him more than you. You each get support from each other...
His personality is unique. But, he spews no junk.
NO ONE can attack his integrity.
You can disagree with N Y M A N all you want. But he goes to great lengths to provide accurate information based in science.
You have a bone to pick with him because he dissed your device. Tom has a bone to pick because he was de-moderatored. So was I, in fact, I've been dissed by him more than you. You each get support from each other...
His personality is unique. But, he spews no junk.
NO ONE can attack his integrity.
The two most overused and misunderstood words in teaching hitting are TIMING and BALANCE, IMO......I honestly believe very few Coaches understand how either should/do tie into an efficient swing.....
Most don't realize the amount of chaos MLB hitters create in their swings.....It's considerable and cannot be controlled with their feet/legs......Just as the hands/arms cannot produce enough power to get the bat around to the ball in enough time to hit it efectively.......MLB hitters produce chaotic body movements that are unnatural and go against how the body wants to move to swing the bat......Most, practically all, amateur hitters are taught much less chaotic body movements that are more natural as to how the body wants to move to swing the bat.....They are taught to control their movement with the feet/legs and hands/arms because this is what Coaches know how to do.......This is how they were taught to swing a bat.....
High level (MLB) swings create much more chaos/momentum and is controlled from the middle of the body..........The focus should not be on the feet/legs or hands/arms........
Timing is an event of the brain......Get the swing technique right and just let the brain do it's thing.......That's why it's so important for a hitter not to be thinking in the box.....If you're trying to teach timing, you're making a mistake, IMO......
Most don't realize the amount of chaos MLB hitters create in their swings.....It's considerable and cannot be controlled with their feet/legs......Just as the hands/arms cannot produce enough power to get the bat around to the ball in enough time to hit it efectively.......MLB hitters produce chaotic body movements that are unnatural and go against how the body wants to move to swing the bat......Most, practically all, amateur hitters are taught much less chaotic body movements that are more natural as to how the body wants to move to swing the bat.....They are taught to control their movement with the feet/legs and hands/arms because this is what Coaches know how to do.......This is how they were taught to swing a bat.....
High level (MLB) swings create much more chaos/momentum and is controlled from the middle of the body..........The focus should not be on the feet/legs or hands/arms........
Timing is an event of the brain......Get the swing technique right and just let the brain do it's thing.......That's why it's so important for a hitter not to be thinking in the box.....If you're trying to teach timing, you're making a mistake, IMO......
Linear,
And some people have no bones to pick with him.
They simply disagree because they have read his stuff - and dont support his theories - or at least some of them.
BTW - who cares about his personality - or the other stuff? We want good, thought provoking baseball theory - thats all.
And some people have no bones to pick with him.
They simply disagree because they have read his stuff - and dont support his theories - or at least some of them.
BTW - who cares about his personality - or the other stuff? We want good, thought provoking baseball theory - thats all.
